[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by TraineeHuman

Unfortunately, Colleen, the Sheiks apparently said that wading through the quicksand doesn’t work (at least, I presume, generally speaking) to get you “over to the other side”. Even if they had published a report, surely it would still have been asserting the same conclusion.

However, there’s a certain amount of truth in your point that “wading” and “flying over” are in some sense two different poles of the same thing. I guess the objection to “wading” might be expressed as:

“There’s no need to become an alcoholic in order to see and understand how destructive alcoholism is.”

In “reply”, you or a scientologist might point out that e.g. scientologists don’t indulge the desire to murder somebody they happen to hate. Rather, they indulge that desire under (supposedly) safe conditions and thereby remove such a desire from their system. My counter to that might be:

“The only effective and permanent cure for alcoholism, once the physical addiction has been cured, is to find something positive from which the person obtains greater satisfaction or pleasure than he/she did from drinking. It’s a matter of getting the person to ignore the negative by concentrating on something positive.”

I do know that traditionally, many Muslims considered they knew these Nashqbandi Sheikhs to be “Lords of karma”. One thing I understaned that implied would be that the Sheikhs do have some kind of influence on what positive ideas get “planted” in human civilization. (Maybe they did “table their report”!) Well, it was Freud’s idea that psychotherapy or liberation of the psyche amounted to recalling all your unpleasant experiences from the past and facing them. Hubbard was strongly influenced by and followed Freud on some points, including this one. With the passage of the years, Freudian psychotherapy was replaced by behavior therapy (“carrot and stick” therapy). Recently, in social work and similar fields, behavior therapy has been found to be less effective and also not yielding of as quick results as “person-centred psychotherapy/ psychology”. The latter is all about self-esteem. It’s all about building a person’s self-liking and self-acceptance and self-forgiveness and feeling of being valuable first, and only then getting them to face and take responsibility for their weaknesses and failures – i.e., to do it from a happy or a “winner’s” perspective. This does also involve learning how to “embrace your shadow side”, but only after you have first embraced your Higher Self.

You raise many issues and I can only comment on a few at a time.

If the psychotherapies you adhere to are working for you then your reality is to be respected and you do not need to get the backing or validation or anyone or experience any need to convert others to your approach. Same with my own realities and I don't need to cite "authorities" or convert anyone to R3X. :-)

BTW, this is getting off-topic and how does what you are writing about directly tie in with the discoveries I made of between lives implanters?

My thread is a warning about implanters and an example of how to directly address this issue. If you can contribute to a reduction of the problem some people are having with these fellas please post here, thank you.

There is enough empirical evidence to show that there are implanters and there are implanters that operate on a person in between lives. My thread is published as a Public Service Announcement regarding my personal experience with between lives implanters and implantation methodologies, and how I beat the System :-)

cheers!
gnosis