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I'd just like to summarize the points that seem important to me at this juncture, and also address some of the points that Carol made. PC was created so that issues like this can be discussed openly, and for questions to be asked, so I do not apologize for my questions, and I do not feel I should have to. I'm not intent on smearing anyone, I just want to understand what is going on here because I think there is more than meets the eye and I think it's all important.

Again I will say that I have been very inspired by Greer's books, many of his talks I've seen on video and heard on Net radio, and certainly by the Disclosure Project, and I wish him well and hope he will continue to do good work in the field, which I think he is quite capable of doing. But I am still puzzled by some of his behavior.. It may be because he is still healing from a very dysfunctional childhood, or because he has taken a path on the razor's edge of duality, dealing with people in black ops and people in high places such as the Clintons, for example, who really aren't very nice people, as I think we can all agree here, and I wonder if this has had some effect on him, and if he has by so doing made himself a continuing target of psyops, because TPTB might very much like to control him and bend him to their will.

I don't think he would have to hang around those kinds of people very much to be affected.
I have read other reports, such as Fred Burk's, creator of the Wanttoknow website, who served as an interpreter for Bush and Clinton and later, after becoming a whistleblower, admitted that even the limited amount of contact he had with that circle of people had an effect on him.

It may be that Greer's spiritual practice protects him from being affected, but we do know fairly conclusively that he was given cancer by a psyops attack and lost his friend Sherry to cancer by that same attack. This was reportedly when he began working out, to improve his health so that his body would be better able to handle the stress of his mission, which is certainly commendable. For those who didn't know about that, it's a good explanation of why he is working so hard to stay in shape, though it has been implied that he works out because he is actually gay and obsessed with the male physique. I am NOT repeating this to enforce that view, but simply to point out why it may be wrong, for those who haven't connected those dots.

As to whether his work on the Contact field trips is of value, some people have apparently had Contact experiences, some haven't. That has more to do with where those individuals are in their own journeys, no doubt.. As to whether claims he has made about such things as what various people like Woolsey or Clinton have said to him or written to him, who can really say?—TPTB can't be trusted when it comes to the subject of Disclosure, as all should know by now. They can and will say one thing today and deny it tomorrow. So I'm not even going to go there. Has he formed a cult? Well, he's human, he has an ego, he has admirers and followers--does that constitute a cult? It depends on your own definition.

Questions I have:

Dr. Greer made an allegation about Project Camelot fairly recently (in 2009, I believe), saying they were disseminating disinformation.
This seemed like a very unfair and unfounded assessment to me, very disrespectful and unappreciative of Bill and Kerry and the many whistleblowers whose stories they have helped to bring to the public's attention. Greer then apologized, but then came the interview with PC, which was very hostile in tone, and that wasn't just due to Bill and Kerry's assertiveness and direct questions. Greer was obviously acting very defensively and his angry tone pretty much canceled out any effect the apology might have had, in my view. Why?


Does Dr. Greer secretly regard himself as above everyone else of the Disclosure Movement?

This Movement is a group effort. Everyone has a piece of the puzzle, and all pieces are of value. Dr. Greer's Disclosure Project was a significant contribution to the Movement, but Bob Dean's contribution, to mention just one of the PC whistleblowers, is comparable, in my opinion, as is the body of work that Bill and Kerry have done. Bill and Kerry have also made significant sacrifices and have funded their work out of their own pockets to a large extent, and they don't have medical degrees to fall back on, and don't even own their own homes, unlike Greer, who apparently has done pretty well for himself, and so I don't think they pale in comparison to Greer in terms of self sacrifice at all. They haven't been on the scene as long, but they've certainly had an incredible impact. I think they deserve just as much respect.

Bill and Kerry are also spiritual people, as I think most people on this Forum probably are, and I think they do their very best to be honest and truthful, and to keep their minds open both to the possibility that there may be things beyond their experience, or knowledge that their whistleblowers might reveal which, of course, they also admit, may be true or untrue. Either way, they do their very best to bring these stories in the open, so that we may compare and contrast stories, judge for ourselves and by so doing, develop our own discernment. I think PC has greatly expanded public knowledge of what has been going on behind the scenes, both by ET s and humans, whether negatively or positively oriented, and that has been a great service, for which I am very thankful.

What I really wonder is if Greer has even followed their work, and whether he has or not, why he seems to believe that only he really knows what is going on, what is disinfo and what isn't. Particularly when many others such as the PC whistleblowers were insiders who had never met each other before or never discussed their stories together before, and yet often discovered that their stories corroborated each other's claims, as Kerry and Bill have been kind enough to track for us and point out. Greer has never been an insider and so I wonder how it is that he considers himself able to evaluate what these insider whistleblower's experiences were, and how he can determine that they are disinformers, whether deliberate or unintentional..

It seems like sheer arrogance to me to claim such omniscience. Perhaps his ET guides have told him as much, but are we to swallow everything he says without question because of that? Are his ET guides omniscient? With the 50 plus ET races that have reportedly been here recently and/or are still here, do his guides know everything the other ET s are doing? Just because he hasn't heard of something, are we to take it that that means it hasn't happened? Is there ANYONE whose word is so absolutely not to be questioned? I think this is why some people attach the “reptilian” word to Greer. Negative Reptilians reportedly demand to be worshipped and may never be questioned or even looked directly in the face.

Greer says he believes that our governments are not in contact with alien species, but there seems to be plenty of evidence to the contrary. He offers no proof as to why he thinks this, whereas the other whistleblowers do offer proof, and at their own peril. Is that proof really disinfo or is Greer not offering any more info than he does because he doesn't have it or because he's cautious of possible repercussions, knowing from experience what the price might be? I don't blame him if he is cautious, but I don't understand why is he not more appreciative of people who are taking those risks, and more open to the possibility that they might be right. Maybe he just doesn't want to think about it...

He's said repeatedly and written in at least one book, (NOT in an “offhand manner, I would say), that the role of negative aliens, if any, has been minimal on our planet. I don't think the definite and clear manner in which he stated this can or should be minimized. It would be wonderful if he was right, but is he right? He may be saying this to counteract the disinformation about negative ET s that has been disseminated to create fear, but what people IN the Disclosure Movement want and deserve is the TRUTH, not to be manipulated either one way OR the other. For those of us who are brave enough to stare this reality in the face, I don't think Greer is doing us a service if he is trying to “protect us” from the truth, nor it it really anyone's job to do that, in any case.

I think in order to clean up the mess that has been made of this planet, some of us at least need to know in detail what has been done behind closed doors, however scary it may be, so that we can energetically send light to the darkness created by there scenarios and help to figure out how to undo it. The general public doesn't have to know all this if they don't want to, or aren't ready for it, but there should be a choice to know the truth, for those who want to take this work on. And I do think it's work of a very transformational nature if taken on in the spirit of truth seeking for the sake of Truth, and deserves respect as such. I for one, am not doing this out of mere curiosity or for distraction or entertainment—it's work, and I am driven to do it by as deep a spiritual need as any I've ever known.

I don't think we need an elite class in the Movement whose motivations or integrity go unquestioned, we need more people like those working n the spirit of PC, where there is respect for all and a spirit of egalitarianism. Greer seems to treat a lot of people like he thinks they are his inferiors, and I have to say he really does come off as posturing and arrogant in a lot of the talks I have seen him give on video, and I think he was positively bullying toward Kerry in the infamous interview.

Is this “geeky” behavior? Is it a result of his high IQ? Is it because he lacks social skills or is defensive due to past attacks? Is it because he hasn't healed yet from his painful childhood? Is it because he has done so much spiritual work on himself and has had so many spiritual experiences with higher dimension ET s that he has gone far beyond the rest of us so that we cannot comprehend who or what he is anymore?

Well, I don't know the man personally, but in my view, truly spiritual people are humble, considerate of others, non judgemental of others and able to recognize their own limitations, and willing to admit they still have lots to learn.. Willing to listen and share, appreciative of the contributions and efforts of others, and patient and respectful of others' personal space, etc. etc.

I have been on a spiritual path for 30 years now myself, and have had some pretty far out experiences too, as I'm sure a lot of others on this forum have. In my journeys, I have met lots of others on spiritual paths, including Zen Masters, Lamas, Yogis and other kinds of spiritual teachers from various backgrounds. So I have some basis for comparison. One thing is sure and that is that the cultivation of powers such as levitation and clairvoyance does not guarantee that a person is unquestionably wise, pure and secure on their path. We are none of us on this plane of existence incapable of making mistakes and suffering spiritual setbacks. There are dangers and pitfalls on the spiritual path that we are all subject to here.

I think all this controversy may serve as much of a wakeup call for Greer as it has been for the Disclosure Movement itself. As the Pickering brothers said, the uproar resulting from the PC interview with Greer has brought to light much that has been dividing the Movement, and I believe as they apparently do, that it's a great opportunity for growth.. Hopefully we will be able to arrive not only at more unity, but also more clarity about what is truth and what is disinformation and how to know the difference.

As to the pornographic photos allegedly of Greer, I hope if it was all a hoax and meant to discredit him, the truth will soon be known. Apparently Bill thought his sources on this were good, but I think it warrants deeper investigation. Not because Greer isn't as entitled to his privacy and sexual preferences as anyone else, but because if he is under attack, he deserves to be vindicated, and his attackers and their agenda should be exposed. If he really has been in the closet, and really did create that webpage, then it is unfortunate that he has been “outed” in this way, but if that is the case, it certainly indicates a lack of wisdom on his part, and I think it would also be safe to say is a pretty clear indicator that the man needs help. I did say IF here! I don't know, but I refuse to be silenced on this score, because it's a piece of the whole puzzle.

I think Greer might be pleasantly surprised to see how open and warm others in the Movement would be if he would come down from his ivory tower and be more open himself. I think he could learn a lot from other whistleblowers if he gave himself half a chance and hopefully would be brave enough to offer information they could benefit from as well that he has not been forthcoming with as yet if, as Carol has inferred, he has knowledge of value he hasn't shared. The more courage the whistleblowers demonstrate in revealing what TPTB don't want us to know, the quicker we can get on with this process, and the easier it becomes for more whistleblowers to come to the fore.

The reports of Greer's coldness and aloofness from attendees and other presenters at the UFO conferences last year came from a lot of good sources, according to Bill, including some of the other presenters themselves. What agenda does that kind of behavior serve? Is he aloof around others in the Movement because he has something to hide, and being surrounded by Truthseekers makes him uncomfortable?

I don't know, but I suspect he is having a spiritual crisis and needs to look at himself again and the way he is relating to his fellow human beings. I hope he will, because I still think he could do a lot of good if he would join forces more with others, in not in action, then at least in feeling..

Frankly, I don't know anyone who isn't having some kind of spiritual crisis now. As Bill pointed out in his thread, we are all human and we all make mistakes. The important thing is to learn from them, to forgive ourselves and others, to heal and to continue growing. The only difference is that Greer's crisis right now is a very public one. Apparently he signed up for that though, and he appears to be a pretty tough guy, so I'm hoping he can handle it. I think we probably owe him a debt of gratitude for being such a good catalyst and mirror for the degree of change that we may all need to go through on many levels both as individuals and as a group, if we are to arrive at the kind of unity that will really be instrumental in bringing about the results we are hoping for, starting of course, with Disclosure!

Personally, my current greatest sources of inspiration are listening to Solfreggio healing frequencies on youtube accompanied by beautiful moving mandala light shows, and David Wilcock and Nassim Haramein who are both coming on now like gangbusters, and more power to them. May all who need to, rally soon and come back with a whole bunch of new inspiration and energy to share and grow with, including Dr. Steven Greer...

Namaste.