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Old 02-10-2010, 12:41 AM   #29
Hiram
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Default Re: Are you afraid to die?

I have nor fear of death..just excitement. I do fear suffering though, though I am working on that.
I find comments such as those from trainedObserver quite interesting. None of us here have any evidence of a thing called "Death" at all, save for what we have observed outside of ourselves.

You see the ONLY thing you truly know for certain is that you are having some sort of experience right now. You can debate what exactly this experience is, and whether you really exist at all, and whether this experience is even real or imagined. It doesn't really matter. You are having a thing called experience This is that nature of primary duality.

Therefore from a purely evidence based perspective, you have no experiential proof that you will ever end....that this experience will ever cease. We have no experience or memory of "non-existence" therefore you have no reason to believe in "non-existence". For me to imagine that this experience will end is purely based on supposition and observation of what has happened to "others".

Yet, you can't even really be sure that there truly are "others" can you? So how do you know that this thing called "Physical Death" really signifies an end to existence? You don't. You just make an assumption based on observation.

I don't recall not existing...so I assume I always will exist, even if this body breaks...which it inevitably will.

Additionally, there are literally thousands upon thousands of people who have had near-death-experiences or NDE's and these have been exhaustively documented--for anyone who takes the time to read them. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross spent many, many years documenting the NDE's of children 8 years old and younger. There are thousands of these cases. These children would be brought back from clinical death in hospitals and report being comforted by dead relatives. The Clinical researchers theorized that these children were just scared and their brains conjured up these apparitions to comfort them. Kubler-Ross blew that theory out of the water by demonstrating in hundreds of instances that children described being comforted by relatives who were already dead...or who had died before the child was even born. Even more telling is if the child was simply scared as the clinicians claimed and these were apparitions conjured by a brain starved of oxygen,...why wouldn't these hundreds of children visualize Mommy herself comforting them?? There were almost no cases whatsoever where one of these children claimed to have been comforted by someone who was still alive, let alone the one person children cling to when frightened...mommy or daddy. Why is that?

No, i think that the preponderance of evidence with regard to people who have been clinically dead, and were revived (including my own father), shows that there is certainly something else after. Something very special. But I'm not here to convince anyone...just to ask you to actually be "skeptical"...a word whose Attic Greek roots mean "to investigate". Most whom claim to be skeptics haven't investigated at all. Thats what a skeptic does...not just discount any evidence that doesn't fit in with their worldview.
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