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Originally Posted by greybeard
Taking it that an atom is alive because it is in movement.
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I don't know that I buy into "movement" equating to "life".
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To my "mind" consciousness can come into form but it cant be created, it does not need form as out of body experiences seem to suggest.
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I think medical science and the study of the human nervous system demonstrates that consciousness is a function of a living brain. Altering the brain alters the consciousness. Failure of the physical structure of the brain causes consciousness to collapse. OOB experiences are illusions I am afraid. I have seen no verifiable evidence that OOBs actually occur. I have discussed this with people who claim to have OOBs and they refuse to run simple experiments which would prove it.
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Some people have recall of previous lives, young children have been know to give very specific detail of places unknown to them in this life.
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There could be several explanations for this beyond a recycled "soul" or "spirit" (which I am sure you realize I do not "believe in"). Personally I find the idea of reincarnation to be truly a horror almost beyond words.
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There may be aliens of extreme intelligence but I doubt if even they could create life/consciousness from absolutely nothing.
Therefore I believe in a creator which I call God.
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Why not call it Jimmy? But seriously, why? Something like that would by definition be "alien" to the planet Earth and perhaps the Universe. Your labeling such a creature "God" assumes attributes that are unnecessary for its existence and operation. If there is a creator does it deserve reverence, worship, and devotion or would it even desire them? Why would we assume so? Could someone or something "lie" about being the creator or about representing the creator? How could we tell? We could not.
There is no difference between saying there is an eternal omnipotent being that has no beginning and no end and saying that the universe itself has no beginning and no end. Absolutely none. The universe, strictly speaking, does not require a "creator" as the human imagination has constructed such a being.
That's what I'm thinking anyway. Cheers. Smoke 'em if you got 'em and so forth.