[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by greybeard

The only thing that dosent change is that which looks through the eyes

I am familiar with this teaching but I have come to think that is not true. It is an illusion. The observer (that which looks through the eyes) is merely another part of the mind itself. The mind is created moment by moment by the human brain/nervous system. The 3D virtual reality we experience which is made up of the perceived world, the perceived physical self, the perceived inner mental dialog, and the perceived observer (that which looks through the eyes) are all one and the same mind constructed of brain/mind-stuff. One can enter into dis-associative states that can intensify the sensation of separateness but this is not true illumination or enlightenment. True 'enlightenment' (IMHO) is seeing these apparent separate parts as one and yourself.

How about the intelligence that creates the body? The nose ends up where it is supposed to be.

Evolutionary processes is the short answer.

What about atoms in movement? The stone is alive -- or at least composed of moving atoms.

Short answer - The true nature of the real world on the other side of senses is truly unknown since we cannot directly experience it.

If we think we created ourselves and everything in the universe thats extreme vanity ie ego.

I certainly don't think we created ourselves.

If we thing it came about without supreme intelligence just a random happening thats ignorance..

That's your opinion and you are welcome to it my friend. I do not hold that opinion myself. If there is a 'supreme intelligence' it most certainly is nothing like anything the human brain has dreamed up. How could it be? Human beings discussing 'supreme intelligences' and the like is akin to the Society for the Blind and Deaf reviewing the movie Avatar. No valid frame of reference exists.