[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Hi Moxie
I went to AA when I hit rock bottom and they have a 12 step program.
3rd step is.
"Made a decision to turn our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him."
Dont think God minds what name we give Him/Her.

For me God is immanent and transcendent, within and without.
The twelve step program clears all the character defects that lead to the dependence on alcohol in the first place, through dependence on God paradoxically freedom arises --- liberation.
I tried will power, I tried everything, I was in denial that I was helpless, it wasn't until the illness progressed to the suicidal stage that I had enough humility to accept the help that is always available through AA. The power of example of long time sober members of the fellowship lifted me into sobriety along with an acceptance of God.

In essence I created misery for myself and others though the illness, the power of Divinity saved me and does a day at a time till this day.
So you can see that personally the power of creation does not appeal much to me.

Though to be clear I became successful as a sportsman, musician,therapist, (Hypnotherapy, Reiki and Bio- energy) and businessman in sobriety. I am grateful for those experiences, I realize they were a gift rather than my creation. Of myself I do nothing.

Unless consciousness changes we will have the same story over and over.
The side that starts the war justifes it. Christians slaughtered people to save their souls, witches were burned for their own good.
So what one thinks of as good for others is not necessarily truly for the good of all/
God forgive them for they know not what the do. (Jesus on the cross) They are spiritually asleep, unconscious. in order to be what we truly are we need to wake up.

Even though the wave subsides into the ocean it is fully aware of its identity, (metaphor is always flawed) awareness is eternal. You must die to be born again.

I only need to know that which is necessary for my next step on the spiritual ladder so like to keep it simple.
Basically I follow those who are enlightened because they talk from experience.


As through the grace of the guru (the late Dr Goels)I have been Kundalini awakened for over ten years im taken care of. (we all are in different ways) Shiva and Shakti the male and female aspects of God are bringing me home.

Ive shared rather more of my story than I intended but I am clear of believing that I am my story, it happened then this is now.
(let my ego out to play Lol)
"I dont mind"
Chris
Namaste

Yes to the "dying". Casting off the unnecessary self.