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Old 01-04-2010, 04:13 AM   #24
Jnana
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Default Re: Dr David Greer. Why the Certainty ?

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Here is the story in resume. Rosana (fictive name) is my wife's aunt. She was 14 the first time she was abducted. She didn't remember much of it except that she woke up in the barn lying on the floor at 5 am. She had been abducted several times after that....
Thanks very much for sharing this story since it really does get right to the heart of the matter. I've read many similar stories and I understand that living with this is a very difficult thing, but I'm sorry to say it does not prove your point that negative ETs exist. The fact of the matter is that neither you nor I know why they are doing this. I have read a number of cases where reasons were revealed to the subjects, and in most cases it is for the benefit of humanity. There may even be several different programs running with several different goals, depending on how we choose to destroy the planet: 1) a program to provide a body that can survive on a more polluted planet with more adverse weather conditions, 2) a program to provide a body with enhanced psi capabilities and better health for those who move on to a 4D/5D world, 3) a program to populate a new planet from scratch as a redo of the experiment that failed here on Earth for various reasons. Generally it is stated that the individual agreed to participate in the program prior to incarnating. Unfortunately, due to the veil of forgetfulness, few if any remember this. I don't think that people becoming aware of their participation in these programs is accidental. I think it is all part of the transition process and it is time for us to know these things.

The cases where such programs are not for the benefit of humanity have to do with an ET race that is dying out due to mistakes they have made. They are trying to create a new body that will help their race survive. I've seen a few versions of this. Again, I would not classify this action as "negative". Given the choice, I would volunteer to help such a race survive rather than deny them existence. However, it is not entirely clear to me why they need to customize a body for this purpose.

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Now, "being aware" of an ET intervention is the first step to counter it. How can you do something about it if you don't know anything on the topic or worse, if you intentionally refuse to look at the witnesses testimony that gives freely there information about it?
If the intervention is intended to ensure the survival of humanity, why would you choose to counter it? As I said before, from our limited perspective we often do not understand why certain things are being done. Reacting to hardship and calling it the result of a "negative" action is understandable, but not necessarily correct.

Since this is a Dr. Steven Greer thread, I'll throw this in. Greer often talks about how people react to hardship using the example of a young child in an emergency ward. In order to save the child, the doctor must insert a catheter into the child's chest right now with no anesthesia. How would that child view the doctor's actions? Would that view be correct? Greer never states what he has in mind in the ET world when he presents this example. I have my own ideas about that, and it includes stories such as the one you shared.

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We are the ones who needs to decide our future for ourselves.
Agreed.

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There is no spiritual hierarchy with Creators contentment that says what is good and what is bad for us. Freewill is the guideline, nothing else. And it is widely accepted throughout the Galaxy.
There is a spiritual hierarchy, and there is considerable evidence to support this. I'm not entirely sure you are denying the existence of our spiritual aspect, but that's what it sounds like here. I also think there is more to universal law than free will.

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Seriously, you would like to be abducted by the ETs who did abduct Rosana? Think about it twice....
It would not be an abduction because I have requested it. I am not afraid of ET contact. I am not afraid of death. I would very much like to be able to provide a report on what these guys are doing from conscious memory, without the aid of hypnosis, so that people can really know what is going on and why. I'm willing to take that risk. If they say it's because we taste like chicken, that's what I would report. The fact is that others have already been there and done this. Jim Sparks is one (book "The Keepers").

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the day we will treat our animal and planet with respect, we will stop sending this message to the Universe and we will solve many problems regarding ETs intervention, no need for war, it is all about consciousness...
I absolutely agree with this. I would add that we need to treat each other with respect and realize that we are all one, including all intelligent races in the universe. Even if the intervention is for positive reasons, when it is no longer needed, it will end.
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