[Heretic]

I hear some asking questions concerning the new age movement on this thread and in what context WS was using this term in a slanderous fashion. I cant say for certain I will represent this well as I will try to be brief and summarize this as best I can because this subject alone could fill books. (disclaimer - these are my thoughts...I am no authority on the matter, please dont take offense to anything written here or feel I am trying to pigeon hole anyone into any set belief system ( I don't know you) - I am just reporting the dialectic here - thanks)

on a side note: I have researched alot of material in this area of cultural/social development since the 70s and it is very very convoluted and there are so many movements happening simultaneously now that I can simply no longer keep track of what is happening....who is who...and what is dangerous and what is not (it was much easier int he 70s). So in the end I have come to the conclusion that both of these schools of thought are defiantly not mutually exclusive at all...I think they are both happening at the same time. This makes perfect sense because it makes it that much harder to pinpoint what exactly is happening.

but I digress: onward

There has in the past, when Avalon first opened, been many arguments and heated debates concerning a conflict between the two main schools of thought concerning the new age movement. If you go some searching, digging, and rummage through the "Spirituality" forum on Avalon you can go read them for yourself and find many well researched and well presented threads on this matter and the debate that ensues from them.

The two schools of thought are:

1) Aliens are really the demons of old who are now appearing in a form (perhaps even their true form) that will allow them to be accepted by us unwittingly, with open arms an fully cooperating with them in what ever plans they have for us....disguised in the form of helping us save ourselves from ourselves. Now laugh if you will but there are many references in many of the sacred texts around the world that support and warn against such deceptions by such creatues. for instance - Stargates which have been recently brought into the equation as well as jump rooms and such lead credence to some of the passages in Revelations and other eschatology concerning the influx of demons and otherworldly creatures (ie the bottomless pit mentioned in revelations concerning the 7 trumpets etc etc.) that will wreak havoc on the world. To many these things have been prophecies to come to pass. And were you to step into their world and wear their shoes...it certainly seems it could have some merit.)

anyone who knows about channeling and the inherit dangers therein must admit there is real spiritual entities who would like nothing more than to cause us harm and wreak havoc, and have no remorse in doing so. Thus you will find many people in this school of thought who are convinced that ALL aliens are bad, deceivers and such etc etc)

Stop an think about it a moment. From the fundamental Christian viewpoint the whole UFO/Alien ideology alone flies in the face of their core belief system even in tandem of recent positive upgrades to the Christian perspective concerning a geocentric relationship between the creator and life itself as becoming obsolete. Now add to that a scenario in which we invite ETs down here to live/work alongside us in a quest to "re-structure" this broken system we have been living under, to re-invent the world into a better place for all...complete with gifts of telepathy and other physic upgrades is a really ripe situation for a deceptive take-over, asked for an allowed by the fooled masses which, according to most eschatology, will be most everyone but the "enlightened".

To add fuel to that fire...much of the terminology and influence you enjoy in this new era of enlightenment is not new at all...but has been handed down via an engineered movement called the new age movement that started moving fast in the late 1800s early 1900s...and can be traced back as far as the late 1700s by the likes of Alice Baily, Helena Blavatsky and the Theosophical Society (too many to list...but if you want to research...start with these guys) in association with the likes of Alister Crowley and alot of Nazi influence later on....to culminate into a purposeful artificial "upgrade" to most of the major world religions which started shortly after the end of WWII, which would allow an easier "melding" of the theologies into a one world religion of secularism and bland scientific viewpoint of old world religions. This one world religion will be a vehicle that will ease the transition towards a new world order as well....all of the pillars of life will become new and improved, and it will seem as thought it all came from the masses when much of it has been and prob still being engineered. Hey...some claim they did it with Christianity....do you think they couldn't do it again in these modern times? Some believe that is what is happening now.

Many who are alarmed by this notion see the zeitgeist movement as one of the most organized of the attacks on the old world religions and one of the first worldwide viral attacks by the nefarious entities behind the "engineered new age movement" to replace all religions and bring in a new era that would fulfill Lucifer's plans to dominate the world as the world cheers him on. One of the main characteristics of the engineered new age movement is the introductions of MASTERS and WORLD TEACHERS here to continue our education in spiritual matters, new spiritual leaders to replace the spot Jesus held during the Piscean age, while being passed the messiah torch to carry on the good work.

Some of the main characters are Saint Germain, El Morya, and a host of ASCENDED MASTERS joined in a unified front known as the GREAT WHITE BROTHERHOOD, containing world teachers and gurus gathered from all of the world religions (Jesus has been demoted to ascended master status in their eyes now instead of a GOD, lord....sitting on the throne in heaven etc etc) so all cultures will be able to relate and celebrate this new religion that includes elements of all...much like the how Constantinople did at Nicene with the inclusion of many pagan rituals and holidays to please the masses with the new Christianity (if you are familiar with the story - I don't know for sure what happened...I wasn't there).

So you can see how threatened many are and will be when we are to have...a new Jesus figure....the idea that we are Gods and no longer need to look to one as a creator source....that we are all co-creators - is very threatening to the old ways. An upgrade to some...while a abomination to others.

The fundamental flaw in this IMHO - it is unwise to make a blanket statement that ALL aliens are bad...that as we have gotten to the point where it is almost ludicrous to ignore the fact there the universe is teaming with life...intelligent life, and could be visiting here...or already living here among us. Yet if you are a bible thump-er at heart...you are probably as paranoid as a cat in a rocking chair factory right about now. it is probably no accident that this engineered movement which has been culminated and is now converging right at this point in history when TRUE first contact and GOV disclosure and the unveiling of 70 years of lies is imminent.

Which brings us to the second main school of thought:

2) this will be much easier to relate because we are all a part of it and have been immersed in it, are dissecting it, have been living it for decades now. We are indeed approaching a new age. We have 2012, the age of Aquarius, new age enlightenment and so many other exciting and world changing views coming to focus of the mass consciousness of this planet. We are in the midst of a great awakening that makes the Renascence pale by comparison. We are in the midst of a point of know return scenario and engineered or not the outcome is uncertain and in the hands of the masses as it seems WE will be the deciding factor in all of this. Depopulation takes on a whole new meaning in this context doesn't it?

As Wilcock puts it well...a convergence.

While I do not prescribe to the alarmist viewpoint, it is prudent to understand that we here...are on the front lines as far as the population goes, cutting edge understanding, with the white hats fighting for us behind the curtain and a real and verifiable threat of dark sinister forces trying to not only maintain their control of the sheep, but to tighten their grip and do what ever they can to make managing us even more the easier, we are probably the most vulnerable to attack by these guys as it will be (IS) our views and understanding that will bleed out to the mass consciousness network.

Perhaps this is why there are so many other races/species interested in our drama as it will ultimately effect them as well, or already has in the future. Most of the "contact" that was made during the 1800s and 1900s that spawned the desire/need to engineer a spiritual movement of this magnitude was done so through channeling, seances, spirit guides, occult ritual etc etc and some of the pictures drawn of spirit guides and MAHATMAS, by those involved, look very very reptilian.

As I said above...I think both scenarios are happening simultaneously and are so intertwined that I can no longer make heads or tails of all the new stuff. There is so much channeling, contactees, abductions, and other related info coming out that is happening and has been for years that incredible things have now become the "normal background noise" an no longer stands out against what used to be the mundane. Thus cognitive dissonance has now become an almost prerequisite to discovering any truths. this is why it is so difficult to start out studying this information. I think that is no accident.

hope this helps on understanding the negative aspects of all of this, and I feel confident that this is what WS was refering to when the used the term "new age movement"

peace