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Originally Posted by Lionhawk
Lionhawk put his rubber snow boots on with full rain gear.........Puts another log on the fire..........Covers everything up in plastic...............
Where does one start here? How about some basic things? We always seem to forget them just in general.
1st hand experience vs second hand experience
What is first hand experience for one, will be second hand experience for another when he/she hears about it.
The bible or any form of media one is exposed to is second hand material. Right off the bat. Everything that is posted in this forum or anywhere you are reading media off a screen is second hand. It is also speculative. So one is always being exposed to the form of believing.
Knowing is first hand and is based in experience.
Believing is second hand and is based in someone's experience outside of yourself. To believe is also to be gullible.
Now it is another thing to engage second hand experience by going out and proving it out into the first hand. All second hand information must be proved out to see if it is what it is in terms of value.
If Jesus was written about and you don't prove he is real, then I have to ask what right does anyone have to say anything about him? What gives you the right to speak for him in the second hand? I have asked this question several times here. No one answers that question maybe for the fear of what others might think. This isn't an issue about fear and less importantly about someone dealing out one of their ego cards. It's a simple question. Have you ever met Jesus? Have you ever met God of this Universe? If you haven't, then I have to ask is there a reason why you haven't? Because what I am asking is provable. God didn't write the bible. Not the real one. And the God termed as Jehovah is not the real God of this Universe. That is provable to.
The bottom line is that there is not just one path to God. For as many as the Creator has created, there are that many paths. If you BELIEVE in second hand information, you may as well brand the word "gullible" right on your forehead.
I think in general many want to believe because they have hope in their hearts. That's fine but be wise and seek validation as to what you choose to subscribe to. Make it first hand for yourself. Operate in a field of knowing instead of a field of believing. One has full integrity and the other does not.
Also many here in this forum have spent a good piece of their lives researching things out for themselves because they want to know and since maybe the circumstance is such that they don't know where to find or how to find those answers, they seek out others in hope that someone has had a similar experience that they have experienced. That's actually a good thing as they are in search for some inner truth, so that they don't look in the mirror and say, "I'm a nutcase," because this is something I haven't a clue about. Also some people here have put in much more time in this weird field more so than Steven Greer. But he had the resources to do something constructive in the way of getting the truth out. So I applaud that. We all should on some level. To say he is a liar to discredit him is the oldest card trick in the Darkside's handbook of cards. He has proof that UFOs exist. Validation!
So if you are a Warrior, you're going to have to show me something with some integrity, otherwise you are just creating delusions of what a true warrior is all about, and I can't just let that slide by. All I am hearing is frustration from your BELIEFS, and what you have stated so far isn't exactly the truth of my path. I have 49 years of experiences in this field of the unknown and the more I go the more I understand that I don't know jack or very little.
The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few! This forum is like a garden and there are many caretakers of this garden of souls. We got some weeds to and all a weed is by definition is an undesirable flower, but maybe we can assist in finding a place for that weed to where it comes into it's own potential and blossoms in the way the Creator had intended.
Can I take my rain suit off? It's hot in here with this fire going? 
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I did not come here to make anyone believe what the Bible says. So this whole post is moot.
Firstly I am NOT CAPABLE of that. It's not POSSIBLE to MAKE someone believe something. Secondly, even if I were capable, I would not WANT to. The ONLY reference that I have made about the Bible here is that I "read it" and have gained much spiritual knowledge about it.
It seems that every time Jesus or God is mentioned, people TOTALLY miss the rest of the post, any other point and get STRAIGHT on the "we have to prove to this guy that we don't believe the Bible" bandwagon. Which is accompanied by a LOT of jest, sarcasm, mockery and laughter -- which is distracting.
What good is that? What's the whole point? I read the Bible. So what? Does that mean any information I may be able to share should be discarded, and instead, every thread I make should be taken to "whether God is real or not" court?
I did NOT come here to force anyone to believe anything in the Bible. It is not ME that has a hangup about the Bible. The whole problem here is that I can't get my experiences and knowledge out (AND I REFUSE TO DO SO) until people get over the fact that I read the Bible and declare Jesus is Lord.
That way, once we've got all that settled, I can become a part of the forum and hopefully everyone will just put their "Jesus" hangups aside for long enough for me to actually say something important. I am NOT about to begin saying ANYTHING of substance until that happens.
That is why I posted my BIG LONG post all about what happens when I mention God and Jesus on New Age forums. I know this isn't "intended" to be a New Age forum, but let me tell you - it IS one! ..and I know FULL well that I WILL NOT BE ALLOWED to say ANYTHING of ANY SUBSTANCE, because if I mention "Jesus", "God", "Satan", "Bible" the thread WILL take a spiral path to the circus of oblivion at that point.
I am MERELY trying to get it all done and settled so that we can all move on.
I would REALLY like a rule passed on this forum, where if someone mentions "Jesus" that the CONTEXT of the thread be noticed (AND ADHERED TO) and not the fact that Jesus was mentioned in it. ONLY THEN would I be able to finally make some useful posts, and I do NOT think such a rule is much to ask or any burden on the forum whatsoever.
For example, I don't go into "channeler" threads which are about "aliens and spacecraft" and then start whining about how channeling is will get someone POSSESSED. The ONLY time I will say that is 1). In my OWN thread, or 2). In context. I would NOT hijack their thread. I will let the person say what they're trying to say in peace, without trying to hijack it.
What I am saying is that this forum does NOT allow anyone to provide a greater picture, if "Jesus" is mentioned, because the FIRST response is usually some big rebuttal about religion, the crusades, or something about "bible thumping" or "preaching" and the SUBSTANCE and POINT of the thread is IGNORED!