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Originally Posted by eleni
The combo of plants used in aya drink have a consciousness of their own- quite amazing that shamanic plants are a stargate unto themselves, allowing one to access other dimensions, affect DNA etc;
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Indeed. I still see very little to elucidate this arena, which is why I feel some caution may be prudent. Not only for the 'bad trip' potential.
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Originally Posted by eleni
Halvor- from my understanding iboga (and it's derived form of ibogaine) is more useful in treating drug and alcohol addiction. Aya is different from what I have read. Iboga sounds scary to me- not sure I would ever use it unless I was an addict of some sort.
Have you read accounts of people attempting traditional iboga ceremony in Africa? Sounded scary/very sketchy to me.
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I think your impression is lacking. Iboga is much used for spiritual work quite independent of the use as a deeply psychological anti-addiction cure. I tried a batch in my home about 2001-2002 for that purpose, and although my trip was atypical (in that it wasn't really a "trip" at all), I do wonder to what extent it has still advanced my spiritual development in the years since. That development certainly has been big.
From the iboga trip reports I have read I get the impression that it has a very intelligent, caring and protecting effect on the subject. In descriptions of the hallucinogenic phase I have read that it can play back pivotal scenes and experiences from the subject's life such that the implicit context becomes explicit. I have also read experiences where lifetime after lifetime was lived to the fullest experience of the duration of time, which is the most mind-boggling to me personally. One testimony in particular also compared it to cleaning up a computer hard disk where the re-ordering of folders was based on a new, coherent and logical hierarchy structure and was done visually just like one would do in Windows Explorer. Another issue is that the trip is longer than with any other psychedelic I am aware of. I think the hallucinatory stage alone can last 18 hours or more.
In any case, a psychedelic experience is very often a life-changing event and should be approached and prepared correspondingly I think that someone beginning to get a yearning for such a catalytic event will appreciate this information and research it along with available information about other drugs and modalities which is out there.