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Old 10-13-2009, 07:54 PM   #46
Jonathon
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Default Re: Jordan Maxwell Interview Thread

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Originally Posted by Carol View Post
The reason people are "stupid" is because they have been repeated lied to and not told the truth. They have been brain washed and conditioned throughout their lives. How can anyone expect anything different? If one would hope to grow out of the box, one also has to be willing to be alienated from the pack, who have been conditioned with a particular mind set. Given that humans are basically social animals they also look to be a member of some family, group or ideology. It is not easy walking away from those ties that bind and venture out into new realms of exploration. Almost all of the great thinkers were ridiculed in their own time. Even those who supported them were also considered kooks. So to say the majority are ignorant.. whose fault is that?

Humans are also subject to amnesia - repeatedly. It is this outside interference that has slowed down growth and development. Once the truth is out there then perhaps the newest generation and will take the information and run with it. The older generations will likely be stuck in their old conditioning and it would be much more difficult for them to adapt. This is of course referenced in the most general of terms as there are many in the older generations who are much more aware of the truth then those of the younger generations. However, I would suspect that generation X is the most lost as the dumbing down process was pretty much fully integrated within their lifetime due to media control, failing educational institutions and with both parents working so that the additional "elder" knowledge was not passed down from parent to child.
Hi Carol, I have to respectfully disagree with the entirety of your post. I can certaily appreciate where you are coming from, however whereas I agree that the dumbing down of society is certainly an ongoing historical agenda, your argument is missing the most crucial factor, and that is choice!

Why are people ignorant? Why are people in debt out their ears? Why are people obese? Why are people entranced by the various forms of media, culture and technology that slowly erode their freedom? Why do most people pursue low paying, non-technical, useless degrees in college? Why do most people sit instead of act? Watch TV instead of exercise? Why do most people believe instead of asking questions? Why do most follow instead of lead? Why do most acquiesce instead of taking charge? How many of you were in the public school system? Do you really believe that the kids sitting all around you sleeping, joking around, passing notes and cheering with excitement when they achieved D's on their tests were somehow brainwashed and victims of some evil system? In my experience they honestly didn't give a rat's ass and no one was going to make them! Their parents likely chose misery and irresponsibility as a way of life then unwittingly (sometimes wittingly) handed it down to their kids.

Let me give you a list of questions and you tell me how you think most people would answer?

1) What is better for you, TV or exercise? How much of one do you do versus the other?

2) When was the last time you engaged in a local assembly to write laws that affect your community and then march down to your congressman's office to make sure he got it in?

3) What's better for you, fast food or fresh fruit and salads? Water or soft-drinks/beer? Pre-prepared foods versus fresh foods you have to cook? What percentage of one do you consume versus another?

4) How much of your mental/physical/spiritual/fiscal energy is spent on the things you/your children want as opposed to the things you/your children need? Do you need the new car, bigger house, swimming pool, season tickets, new clothes/shoes, bigger TV and cable package, computer, lawn mower etc? Do your children need more games or more exercise? More reading or more TV? More Burger King and ice cream sandwiches or more whole foods?

We all know how these questions will be answered, however the statistics speak for themselves. You don't have to tell people what is good for them. They KNOW what's good for them... they just choose differently. That's not a conspiracy. It's fact.

Why? Because #1 it's EASY! And #2 any problems resulting from the above behaviors will eventually be taken care of by someone else... i.e. someone else will take responsibility for me. Doctors, lawyers, loan officers and credit card pushers, overnight pills, lawn services, spas and massage parlors, 24/7 news coverage and every other possible service to substitute for responsibility. You want it? You got it! Culture of luxury! Thank you, drive through!

Did the PTB give us exactly what we asked for? You're darn tootin' they did. They made it easy to choose easy! How did we ask for it? We watched it, ate it, bought it and designed our communities around it. Do you really think (as examples) "news" corp (i.e Fox Entertainment), McDonalds, AT&T, the US Congress et al, the crummy educational system, Bank of America and whatever else you want to throw in there would exist if we didn't allow them to exist? Do you think ignorance, size 6XXX pants, cancer, dirty water, chemtrails, debt or anything else are things that happen to people or do you believe that people vote these things into their lives either through the argument-acceptance model (complaining and doing nothing), outright acceptance and/or acquiescence? These can't exist without our support. We co-created it. Further, it's so much more FUN for the PTB to bait us and watch us drool like Pavlov's dogs. Their power comes from our choice! To paraphrase a fable... the vampire and devil must be invited into your home. Your choice empowers them.

Unfortunately, our support is damn easy these days since we have deferred all responsibility to someone else. Make a fancy logo, run it across a happy meal box, pay it lipservice on the Bill O'Reilly show and stage a big parade sponsored by Bud Light. Yay America! Land of the free? Home of the brave? Where's my cheetos?

The truth has always been there. The choice has always been there. The bible practically spells it out (although I would argue the number of Christians who have actually read the bible is extremely low... see above). Temptation of the sinner (debtor) and the journey through pain (commerce)... just make it easy of yourself Jesus (temptation to take on sin or debt)... or live to die on the cross (die on the ledger/ be poor) and be reborn of the spirit free of sin (free of sin/debt, creditor/sovereign). The saying goes: give them cake! Not force cake down their throat.

A-MER-I-CA = No-Mercy-to/for-Sheep. Are you the sheep or the shepherd? Remember the Shepherd (biblical reference)!

My intention here is not to judge, merely to be emphatic. Judgement (in a negative sense) is the denial of responsibility and it's not my intention to go down that road, for I could have been the soul who changed the paradigm had I lived up to my highest potential. My only judgement here is: people must need/want this experience because that's exactly what they have asked for. The unfortunate part is, many simply choose not to see what they are inviting through their doors... but that revelation is quickly coming in my opinion.

Please let us not make justifications for the choices we and others make. Let us instead be born again - to transmute our experience into one of responsibility... to turn water into wine; lead into gold.

Love is responsibility. Responsibility is love.

Namaste!

Last edited by Jonathon; 10-13-2009 at 08:01 PM.
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