Re: 2012 Ascension or Calamity??
Hi Viking, Im not having a go here, far from it, but i am very unsure of this concept of ascension generally, and therefore of the meaning of your post.
Ascension is 'new' to me, its a concept that wasnt really being discussed a few years back, apart from a few, and frankly many of those were just goof balls.
What is ascension? If you ascend your 3D body, your physical body dies. If the world 'ends' then your physical body dies. What is the difference? If we take the Tibetan Buddhist teachings as a base, the point of physical death is an opportunity for 'spiritual advancement'. and they teach how to recognise the 'signs' and either reach enlightenment or at least achieve an advanced reincarnation.
20 years ago I didnt believe in reincarnation. As a trained and working scientist I saw the world very much in a material 'molecular' way, although I was some way onto a 'spiritual' path that most of my contemporaries would have laughed at. Now I am sure most of the science I was ever taught is pure man made BS, and after studying Buddhist texts, and after several deeply personal spiritual experiences with shamans I am sure there is consciousness after death and I do believe in reincarnation, completely.
I still dont get this concept of ascension though. And I still dont understand why you wont accept the possibility that nothing will happen in 2012. Even if 'something' does happen, arent the Mayans even saying that it is just the mid point of a cycle that has already begun?
Many observers are pointing to a time beyond 2012 when major earth changes may occur. And I have 'known' for many years that the super volcano under yellowstone is overdue, that would probably be enough in itself!
I do like the idea of the pyramidal time concept associated with mayan calendar, and that conscious evolution is speeding up. Certainly feels like it to me personally. And I think the word personal is key to all this. I think it is a dangerous path to assume something is going to happen because other people tell you it will. The shamans tell us we are co creators of the universe and what we dream will be brought into our reality (which is also what the Mahayana Buddhists teach). So what do you know of 2012 that says something will happen, and what do you know about ascension. I would love to hear..and from anyone who can explainan ascension to me (in a non wooolley New Age BS way).
Just musing.....and interested to understand this concept of ascension....
Last edited by Vidya Moksha; 10-11-2009 at 01:16 PM.
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