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artvision · 07-21-2009, 03:18 PM

Hi NorthernSantuary,

You are right about the water. There are natural flows of some water threads (smaller springs) anyway there is a clear and very cold water seems to emerging out of the hill. I discussed with the landlord and said the extracting water is very easy there. And if needed much water, 200 m down away there is a huge lake with plenty of water.

For water, I have 2 manual pumping ceramic water filter this model:
http://www.campsaver.com/mmWINTERFIX...rks_filter.jpg

each with a small plastic flash of chlorine concentrate, but this is for bush-crafting. For the retreat should be fixed filter, with gravitational flow, with higher capacity.

Yes, you are right, the water could be polluted, chemical, or nuclear, even from some meteorite showers of toxic component, has been written also in the Bible:

the third trumpet blast heralded “a great star from heaven, burning as if it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; and the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. — Book of Revelation 8:10-11

The difficult will be to filter out the chemical contamination, and this could be done just by distillation. The nuclear filtration

maybe just by electrolyze and then burn again the H2 and O2, but this would be much over our technical possibilities.

Look NorthernSantuary, I'm not consider give Sitchin much trust. Instead I discovered with great joy, the work and information of Maxwell Igan, which are more alike with my perception of reality.

Another issue, really I'm not upset if I'm dying from a natural phenomenon coming from an act of God. Really, if a meteorite is falling in my head, I will die peacefully. Whatever I'm upset and determined to fight at most of my wits, are the things and situations created by HUMANS. Because those has been human created I have no justification to fight against, nor defeat, if I'm considering myself a rational and having some brains. Against such threats we do not have any excuse, do we? Those from God, are at divine will and I'm not upset to fight.

As Oliver very nice put, also me I'm tired about this primitivistic society based on money... money, money, money. We should broke this pattern once and for all, we must be responsible beings and no dedicated just for material gain, for it's own sake. If we are obtaining it just give us the material support for a bigger and more complete evolution, then be it.

We must learn to get rid about this hindrance of money concept from of our minds and spirits. But until then, we should be realistically and try to do our best to use the scarce money resources to create our retreat, at our best of our possibilities. Sometimes I become very tired, of this life, of this society, and then I better understand the God imperative mandate that we should go out of this wicked world, we should get out from our worldly Babylon (the current world and it's wicked system). But as we still learning from 20 years, the conscience enhancement and molding is the hardest, toughest and most moral and emotional energy consumer!

More easy to learn a new skill, became an ace in something, that to modify your way of thinking! This is the greatest challenge. For this we need people more advanced than us on that path, people which are far over the selfishness and these current worldly feelings. These people should be like teachers for us and show us what we can do to find our spiritual accomplishment. Even they cannot do much for us, as any being business is to evolve by itself, by joining people with close mindsets could create an emotional starter for many of us, like a spiritual evolutionism Big-Bang.

Until then, though, we should work with the existent tools, as they are primitive and already expired, such as money, things, etc.

Me, personally I do see money as tools and more a cumbersome, rather a blessing. From my experience is happening like this:

a) if I got much money (extremely rare) I need give much thought what to do with it not waste it, or at least to maintain their value - this usually finish with lot of discussions, in family and lot of energy spent; most of the times we regret the decision we took (if not us, our family members!)

b) if very few monies remain, than I'm stressed, because what I will do, etc I need to find urgently a solution to take me out of that state

c) if a moderate amount is coming, hopefully on a regular basis, then I can cover the family needs and give me kind of peace, to think about my important things in life, which are not money and their investment

So, most of the time, money are causing only worries and problems. They ask from us much attention and consideration just for their own sake, as some small devilish, selfish creatures.

After I read a lots of books, Robert Kiyoaski, Wallace D. Wattles, Napoleon Hill, D. Trump, etc, etc, I get more insights of what monies are and how the world is running. Therefore I decided NOT apply the Kiyosaki and Donald Trump system, of living large, consuming much, just this to be the engine for a future expansion, NO.... I apply the teachings of our God to live modest and beyond my means. This will lead us to humbleness, which think is the key to not let your mind get crazy in this world. This is keeping us sane!

We are nothing, really now you are here alive and full of yourself; in 1 second you could be gone, so is not worth nor justified to make big fuss about you are something.

A very big lesson I learned, when I have been worked in Maldives. I stayed in Male, and this is an extremely small island, you could be walking it in 15 minutes from one side to another. So, there, you see rarely cars, mostly taxies. One day started to discuss with a person, he was running a motor bicycle, has been dressed very modestly and his attitude has been very humble.

This person was very pleasant and very knowledgeable and last me a good impression. When I went in the office I told this to a good friend of mine Italian and others from the office (locals) about the encounter. The locals asked me more details and then laughing said: Do you know with who you have been spoken with ? No, I said. This guy is the landlord of many islands here, and having many fish canning factories all around, is very rich and maybe weekly is going London for his business, etc. Me, I was shocked also intrigued of how come he hadn't have a shiny car to show his wealth status! And joking about this, with my italian friend, that in my country, if somebody has 10,000 $ he thinks is the king of world and even not answering back to your hello, next day. We were giggling about, but I learned a tough lesson how to behave and started to see the world with different eyes.

Starting from that, I do not appreciate people, that because they made money, by a conjecture or something, etc, this would qualified automatically them think about themselves they are smart, gifted and so on, just because of this. I met in my life, people extremely rich and wealthy, for example in Saudi Arabia and they didn't try to impress or make a point from how wealthy or how much money they have. It is a matter of education, of conscience, religion, etc. Money are just a tool, that are bringing you where you want to go and that's it. You should take care about them, as a carpenter is taking care of his chisels, or a blacksmith that take care of his forge, but nothing more. Not for the money sake! We should be their masters not the reverse.

But through a wicked a devilish propaganda, the elites tampered the minds of people and made them live in debt, while the elites live of people's debt! It is a parasitic symbioses, but I think with this crisis they passed the limit. Really I think they passed the limit, the POINT OF NO RETURN with that. I think also part of them, woke up to reality and starting to realize what they've done and how massive will affect them. But I'm afraid they de-clicked the pin of the grenade.

So, because of that, I'm not positive in an economic recovery, not in a close future and I'm stressing myself to manage somehow to start doing that retreat. I'm not afraid of God calamities, let his judgement come, as we are deserving what we get from Him, but I do not want let the TPTB show me, that their intelligence will prevail mine

. I wouldn't never accept that. What is done by man, shoul be un-done by man and I must be able to do it.

Of course, there is a huge disbalance of resources in this equation, between things that they are pushing on us and things we can do ourselves to protect ourselves and oust them, but with the help of God, I hope we can overpass these human treacheries. Really I'm positive that there is a profound meaning into resist! By all means: Resistance Is NOT Futile! This is my credo, up to this point in my petty existence. What do you think?

07-21-2009, 03:18 PM	#77
artvision Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 328	Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ? Hi NorthernSantuary, You are right about the water. There are natural flows of some water threads (smaller springs) anyway there is a clear and very cold water seems to emerging out of the hill. I discussed with the landlord and said the extracting water is very easy there. And if needed much water, 200 m down away there is a huge lake with plenty of water. For water, I have 2 manual pumping ceramic water filter this model: http://www.campsaver.com/mmWINTERFIX...rks_filter.jpg each with a small plastic flash of chlorine concentrate, but this is for bush-crafting. For the retreat should be fixed filter, with gravitational flow, with higher capacity. Yes, you are right, the water could be polluted, chemical, or nuclear, even from some meteorite showers of toxic component, has been written also in the Bible: the third trumpet blast heralded “a great star from heaven, burning as if it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; and the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. — Book of Revelation 8:10-11 The difficult will be to filter out the chemical contamination, and this could be done just by distillation. The nuclear filtration maybe just by electrolyze and then burn again the H2 and O2, but this would be much over our technical possibilities. Look NorthernSantuary, I'm not consider give Sitchin much trust. Instead I discovered with great joy, the work and information of Maxwell Igan, which are more alike with my perception of reality. Another issue, really I'm not upset if I'm dying from a natural phenomenon coming from an act of God. Really, if a meteorite is falling in my head, I will die peacefully. Whatever I'm upset and determined to fight at most of my wits, are the things and situations created by HUMANS. Because those has been human created I have no justification to fight against, nor defeat, if I'm considering myself a rational and having some brains. Against such threats we do not have any excuse, do we? Those from God, are at divine will and I'm not upset to fight. As Oliver very nice put, also me I'm tired about this primitivistic society based on money... money, money, money. We should broke this pattern once and for all, we must be responsible beings and no dedicated just for material gain, for it's own sake. If we are obtaining it just give us the material support for a bigger and more complete evolution, then be it. We must learn to get rid about this hindrance of money concept from of our minds and spirits. But until then, we should be realistically and try to do our best to use the scarce money resources to create our retreat, at our best of our possibilities. Sometimes I become very tired, of this life, of this society, and then I better understand the God imperative mandate that we should go out of this wicked world, we should get out from our worldly Babylon (the current world and it's wicked system). But as we still learning from 20 years, the conscience enhancement and molding is the hardest, toughest and most moral and emotional energy consumer! More easy to learn a new skill, became an ace in something, that to modify your way of thinking! This is the greatest challenge. For this we need people more advanced than us on that path, people which are far over the selfishness and these current worldly feelings. These people should be like teachers for us and show us what we can do to find our spiritual accomplishment. Even they cannot do much for us, as any being business is to evolve by itself, by joining people with close mindsets could create an emotional starter for many of us, like a spiritual evolutionism Big-Bang. Until then, though, we should work with the existent tools, as they are primitive and already expired, such as money, things, etc. Me, personally I do see money as tools and more a cumbersome, rather a blessing. From my experience is happening like this: a) if I got much money (extremely rare) I need give much thought what to do with it not waste it, or at least to maintain their value - this usually finish with lot of discussions, in family and lot of energy spent; most of the times we regret the decision we took (if not us, our family members!) b) if very few monies remain, than I'm stressed, because what I will do, etc I need to find urgently a solution to take me out of that state c) if a moderate amount is coming, hopefully on a regular basis, then I can cover the family needs and give me kind of peace, to think about my important things in life, which are not money and their investment So, most of the time, money are causing only worries and problems. They ask from us much attention and consideration just for their own sake, as some small devilish, selfish creatures. After I read a lots of books, Robert Kiyoaski, Wallace D. Wattles, Napoleon Hill, D. Trump, etc, etc, I get more insights of what monies are and how the world is running. Therefore I decided NOT apply the Kiyosaki and Donald Trump system, of living large, consuming much, just this to be the engine for a future expansion, NO.... I apply the teachings of our God to live modest and beyond my means. This will lead us to humbleness, which think is the key to not let your mind get crazy in this world. This is keeping us sane! We are nothing, really now you are here alive and full of yourself; in 1 second you could be gone, so is not worth nor justified to make big fuss about you are something. A very big lesson I learned, when I have been worked in Maldives. I stayed in Male, and this is an extremely small island, you could be walking it in 15 minutes from one side to another. So, there, you see rarely cars, mostly taxies. One day started to discuss with a person, he was running a motor bicycle, has been dressed very modestly and his attitude has been very humble. This person was very pleasant and very knowledgeable and last me a good impression. When I went in the office I told this to a good friend of mine Italian and others from the office (locals) about the encounter. The locals asked me more details and then laughing said: Do you know with who you have been spoken with ? No, I said. This guy is the landlord of many islands here, and having many fish canning factories all around, is very rich and maybe weekly is going London for his business, etc. Me, I was shocked also intrigued of how come he hadn't have a shiny car to show his wealth status! And joking about this, with my italian friend, that in my country, if somebody has 10,000 $ he thinks is the king of world and even not answering back to your hello, next day. We were giggling about, but I learned a tough lesson how to behave and started to see the world with different eyes. Starting from that, I do not appreciate people, that because they made money, by a conjecture or something, etc, this would qualified automatically them think about themselves they are smart, gifted and so on, just because of this. I met in my life, people extremely rich and wealthy, for example in Saudi Arabia and they didn't try to impress or make a point from how wealthy or how much money they have. It is a matter of education, of conscience, religion, etc. Money are just a tool, that are bringing you where you want to go and that's it. You should take care about them, as a carpenter is taking care of his chisels, or a blacksmith that take care of his forge, but nothing more. Not for the money sake! We should be their masters not the reverse. But through a wicked a devilish propaganda, the elites tampered the minds of people and made them live in debt, while the elites live of people's debt! It is a parasitic symbioses, but I think with this crisis they passed the limit. Really I think they passed the limit, the POINT OF NO RETURN with that. I think also part of them, woke up to reality and starting to realize what they've done and how massive will affect them. But I'm afraid they de-clicked the pin of the grenade. So, because of that, I'm not positive in an economic recovery, not in a close future and I'm stressing myself to manage somehow to start doing that retreat. I'm not afraid of God calamities, let his judgement come, as we are deserving what we get from Him, but I do not want let the TPTB show me, that their intelligence will prevail mine. I wouldn't never accept that. What is done by man, shoul be un-done by man and I must be able to do it. Of course, there is a huge disbalance of resources in this equation, between things that they are pushing on us and things we can do ourselves to protect ourselves and oust them, but with the help of God, I hope we can overpass these human treacheries. Really I'm positive that there is a profound meaning into resist! By all means: Resistance Is NOT Futile! This is my credo, up to this point in my petty existence. What do you think? Last edited by artvision; 07-21-2009 at 03:50 PM.