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artvision · 07-20-2009, 09:15 AM

Dears,

Thank you for this thread as is very good to have the opinions of so many smart and sensitive people.

First of all, I'm no considering myself a Radiant Zone starter I cannot withstand comparison with real starters as NorthernSantuary, TtC and many others, people that already build communities, people much more advanced than me that I'am a wishful thinking guy, with a piece of dirt bought and maybe some survival books read. I feel somewhat uneasy to be compared with such great people; me I feel like pigmy compared with Goliath. My only, so called contribution to this marvelous thread is, that
I want to ask people in the know, if according with their information, this place I mention is safe, could it be considered a radiant zone, or not?

Also, there are ardent philosophical question raised on the thread. Look, life taught me that I have to be more feet-on-the-ground and sensibility and high and elevated feelings are good but not put food on the table. This is the reality of our miserable existence, we cannot separate our conscience of material, of earthly. At least I do not know a viable method, proven for my individuality, to work.

I'm telling myself I'm not tough enough for this world, (because I've surprised myself crying!!!!!!!!! listen to that song? I do not understand the words, etc.
I said, what the hack is happening to me?

So, really I need to go feet down to earth and I think, many of us, we need more feet-on-the-earth thinking.

Now, about the issue of helping/non letting others when the SHTF. If I wouldn't tell to that guy, near my house, SEVERAL TIMES, take care, look what is coming, prepare yourself. Don't go now in that fancy greek island ON CREDIT, better think maybe tomorrow they will throw you out of work, or maybe something's happening and use more wisely the money. You know what that guy is doing? Is laughing his ass at me, really and starting mock me. Than when the SHTF, the same guy approaching me and asking for help? Would be OK and considering him helping, because, we are humans, prone to error. But what are you doing if this dummy head came to you and ASK, look I have this little baby, he/she is hungry we need this or that and I know you have it. I DEMAND you give it to me? How do you will approach then this person? What are you doing if like this person are 5 neighbors, that all of them laugh at you, but now are coming to your door bearing arms, DEMANDING that you share with them whatever you stored (by not going in holidays in fancy Greek Islands on credit).

I like the approach for this problem of giving and helping others, highlighted in Triple Ought by James Wesley Rawles:
http://survivalbible2001.com/SB-2001...ON/001gray.htm

Here the guys, having themselves a retreat said:

Give till it hurts!

So, they were prepared and open to give and help their fellow human, but in their conditions and on their will, not to be brought on them with the force of weapon.

So, here we are, weapons vs. non weapons. We should always respect the NATURE. The immutable laws of nature. And this leads to instinct... survival instinct. That's mean a healthy survival instinct that has been encoded genetically in every being on this planet, to take care for itself, FIRSTLY.

Following this natural law, we should obey this instinct and protect ourselves. How? Can we protect by hoards of looters and crazed people because of SHTF and they never think about preparation, survival, etc and will find more easily to prey on you? Would they follow their instincts, because they and their babies are hungry, you have food and resources or they will think highly spiritually and ethically as DO NOT TAKE WHAT IS NOT YOURS? What do you people know, those of you with earned life experience? The outcome is easily to be anticipated...

So, I think that is in our best interest NOT TO BECOME JUST A RESOURCE FOR THESE PEOPLE! Therefore, as Jack very nicely said, we need to gather those with similar ideas and mind set. Why? Because we need to protect ourselves in order to survive and after that we may evolve spiritually, etc. If we are dying because a group of happy greek-island-holidays-makers coming to your house/retreat and killing you, or at least taking off you al the provisions, would you be able to evolve to develop yourself further? No!

So, we are arriving back to our question. We gather in preparedness people with same mindset, we are improve our skills together, but we still need of defending. In US that is an easy task. There people have the right of bear firearms. We in Europe, after several hundredth years of dictatorial regimes, etc, we have been stripped away for this inalienable right, to be able to protect yourself, not leaning towards be protected by an external force (which usually is not there when you need it most, but trying to make life miserable otherwise) Of course, even us as Europeans, we need means to fight and defend ourselves and/or means to scarry and discourage potential predators (with two or many legs

)

I'm relly in, to hear your suggestions and ideas.

07-20-2009, 09:15 AM	#56
artvision Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 328	Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ? Dears, Thank you for this thread as is very good to have the opinions of so many smart and sensitive people. First of all, I'm no considering myself a Radiant Zone starter I cannot withstand comparison with real starters as NorthernSantuary, TtC and many others, people that already build communities, people much more advanced than me that I'am a wishful thinking guy, with a piece of dirt bought and maybe some survival books read. I feel somewhat uneasy to be compared with such great people; me I feel like pigmy compared with Goliath. My only, so called contribution to this marvelous thread is, that I want to ask people in the know, if according with their information, this place I mention is safe, could it be considered a radiant zone, or not? Also, there are ardent philosophical question raised on the thread. Look, life taught me that I have to be more feet-on-the-ground and sensibility and high and elevated feelings are good but not put food on the table. This is the reality of our miserable existence, we cannot separate our conscience of material, of earthly. At least I do not know a viable method, proven for my individuality, to work. I'm telling myself I'm not tough enough for this world, (because I've surprised myself crying!!!!!!!!! listen to that song? I do not understand the words, etc. I said, what the hack is happening to me? So, really I need to go feet down to earth and I think, many of us, we need more feet-on-the-earth thinking. Now, about the issue of helping/non letting others when the SHTF. If I wouldn't tell to that guy, near my house, SEVERAL TIMES, take care, look what is coming, prepare yourself. Don't go now in that fancy greek island ON CREDIT, better think maybe tomorrow they will throw you out of work, or maybe something's happening and use more wisely the money. You know what that guy is doing? Is laughing his ass at me, really and starting mock me. Than when the SHTF, the same guy approaching me and asking for help? Would be OK and considering him helping, because, we are humans, prone to error. But what are you doing if this dummy head came to you and ASK, look I have this little baby, he/she is hungry we need this or that and I know you have it. I DEMAND you give it to me? How do you will approach then this person? What are you doing if like this person are 5 neighbors, that all of them laugh at you, but now are coming to your door bearing arms, DEMANDING that you share with them whatever you stored (by not going in holidays in fancy Greek Islands on credit). I like the approach for this problem of giving and helping others, highlighted in Triple Ought by James Wesley Rawles: http://survivalbible2001.com/SB-2001...ON/001gray.htm Here the guys, having themselves a retreat said: *Give till it hurts!* So, they were prepared and open to give and help their fellow human, but in their conditions and on their will, not to be brought on them with the force of weapon. So, here we are, weapons vs. non weapons. We should always respect the NATURE. The immutable laws of nature. And this leads to instinct... survival instinct. That's mean a healthy survival instinct that has been encoded genetically in every being on this planet, to take care for itself, FIRSTLY. Following this natural law, we should obey this instinct and protect ourselves. How? Can we protect by hoards of looters and crazed people because of SHTF and they never think about preparation, survival, etc and will find more easily to prey on you? Would they follow their instincts, because they and their babies are hungry, you have food and resources or they will think highly spiritually and ethically as DO NOT TAKE WHAT IS NOT YOURS? What do you people know, those of you with earned life experience? The outcome is easily to be anticipated... So, I think that is in our best interest NOT TO BECOME JUST A RESOURCE FOR THESE PEOPLE! Therefore, as Jack very nicely said, we need to gather those with similar ideas and mind set. Why? Because we need to protect ourselves in order to survive and after that we may evolve spiritually, etc. If we are dying because a group of happy greek-island-holidays-makers coming to your house/retreat and killing you, or at least taking off you al the provisions, would you be able to evolve to develop yourself further? No! So, we are arriving back to our question. We gather in preparedness people with same mindset, we are improve our skills together, but we still need of defending. In US that is an easy task. There people have the right of bear firearms. We in Europe, after several hundredth years of dictatorial regimes, etc, we have been stripped away for this inalienable right, to be able to protect yourself, not leaning towards be protected by an external force (which usually is not there when you need it most, but trying to make life miserable otherwise) Of course, even us as Europeans, we need means to fight and defend ourselves and/or means to scarry and discourage potential predators (with two or many legs ) I'm relly in, to hear your suggestions and ideas. Last edited by artvision; 07-20-2009 at 09:48 AM.