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09-11-2008, 12:47 AM

Tourism in Space

Look out the portal on the left... the view you see of the curvature of the Earth seen from orbit provides one of the main attractions for tourists paying to go into space. Tourism is certainly on the Horizon, but current trips to Luna and beyond are only for those with clearance. There is too much risk of exposing operations. There are many private companies offering low level flights, but they are in the $200,000.00 plus range for a few minutes in space... so quite out of the reach of common travelers. Our good friends in the Russian sector offer the occasional opportunity for an 8 to 10 day stay here on this station.. but it seems they have discovered the benefits of capitalism... price tag for one of those excursions is 20 million.

But NASA is annoyed with our friends... seems they are not keen on the idea of tourists up here. I am not sure why they feel this way, after all they are supposed to be a publicly funded organization.

Well that's the end of the tour for today. I hope you enjoyed it. Back in the lobby area while you await your transports you can browse through some literature on the various vacation packages and tour flights currently available.

Also there is a short film for those interested about the Progress Automated Cargo Vessels that support operations out here in space. Many will be surprised as to the number of support vehicles we have.

Thank you and have a safe journey...

Dennis Tito makes history as the first 'official' space tourist. The trip cost him 20 million. Dennis does not like to be called a 'space tourist' but the media have stuck him with this after his historic flight on the Russian Soyuz TM-32 to the ISS in April of 2007

Tito's Soyuz Crew Says ISS Visit Less Cordial than First Reported
By Yuri Karash Moscow Contributing Correspondent
posted: 04:00 pm ET 16 May 2001

"Dennis Tito received a frosty welcome from the American crew aboard the International Space Station (ISS) during his sojourn in space, according to his crew members at a post landing briefing held Tuesday in Star City, Russia.

"Having entered the station, we immediately felt that the U.S. crew members had been instructed to keep their distance from Dennis, and they followed this instruction," Soyuz commander Talgat Musabayev said at the event, held at Russia's cosmonaut training center." Source [1]

"Tito and others reported that the greeting from the Americans aboard the ISS were less than cordial and made for a somewhat tense stay while on the ISS." [2]

"Nasa objected strongly when last month American space tourist Dennis Tito spent six days on the ISS, having paid a fee of $20m (£14m) to the Russian space programme." [3]

"Unfortunately, some of Mir's good traditions are not observed onboard the ISS," remarked flight engineer Yuri Baturin. "When visiting crews docked to Mir, the station main crews had always asked the visitors what they would like to have for lunch or dinner, even before the hatches separating the station from Soyuz were opened. When newcomers entered the Russian station, warm food had already been waiting for them."

According to Baturin, he, Musabayev and Tito had to wait for three hours after entering the ISS for a meal. "Its too bad that even Yuri Usachev, Russian commander of the ISS, had apparently given up his traditional Russian hospitality to observe the U.S. developed rules and procedures," said Baturin.

Baturin and Musabayev took the lack of traditional welcoming bread and salt onboard the station, as one of the most eloquent signs of U.S. dominance in the outpost. " [1]

"In conjunction with the Federal Space Agency of the Russian Federation and Rocket and Space Corporation Energia, Space Adventures facilitated the flights for the world's first private space explorers: Dennis Tito, Mark Shuttleworth, Gregory Olsen, Anousheh Ansari and Charles Simonyi. The first three participants paid in excess of $20 million (USD) each for their 10 day visit to the ISS.

NASA Public Affairs has used the term Space flight Participant to designate space tourists. Tito, Shuttleworth, Olsen, Ansari, and Simonyi were designated as such during their respective space flights. [6] lists Christa McAuliffe as a "Space Flight Participant" (although she did not pay a fee), apparently due to her non technical duties aboard the STS-51-L flight." [4]

"With the realities of the post Perestroika economy in Russia, its space industry was especially starved for cash. The Tokyo Broadcasting System (TBS) offered to pay for one of its reporters to fly on a mission. For $28 million, Toyohiro Akiyama, was flown in 1990 to Mir with the eighth crew and returned a week later with the seventh crew. Akiyama gave a daily TV broadcast from orbit and also performed scientific experiments for Russian and Japanese companies. However, since the cost of the flight was paid by his employer, Akiyama could be considered a business traveler rather than a tourist.

In 1991, British chemist Helen Sharman was selected from a pool of public applicants to be the first Briton in space. [2] As the United Kingdom had no space program, the arrangement was by a consortium of private companies who contracted with the Russian space program. Sharman was also in a sense a private space traveler, but she was a working cosmonaut with a full training regimen." [4]

Image Credit Tass News Agency

Q: "You've written before about the need to commercialize space. What does that mean, and how does it compare to the prevailing attitude abut space, especially NASA's perspective?"

A: It's quite insidious. NASA's version of commercialization is not privatization. Those are two very different words in NASA's mentality. NASA's view of commercialization is: "We, NASA, own everything. We own all the hardware. We own the facilities to move people back and forth, and when they get there, we own that facility too."

So in our scheme of commercializing things, we intend to be in business. They are a federal agency that's tax exempt and that gets $14 billion a year. And so they are paying no income taxes and here they are absolutely in business. They take 100 percent of the revenue of any company that pays them to do anything. And that's wrong; that's absolutely dead wrong. And it's a huge competitor to free enterprise."

Q: Why do you think NASA has been reluctant to allow tourists in space, like Dennis Tito, for example?

"Well, it's the mentality that "we own space." NASA stands for "No Access to Space for Americans" -- that's what it stands for to me and to most Americans. NASA has exclusive control and a lock on everything having to do with space, except for the Russian side. And they were just beyond belief in being rude and obnoxious [in response to Dennis Tito's trip]. It was just embarrassing to this country." [5]

1) Tito's Soyuz Crew Says ISS Visit Less Cordial than First Reported
2) Space Tourism - Dennis Tito
3) BBC News: Pizza sets new delivery record
4) Private space tourism - Wikipedia
5) My own private space station - Interview with Robert Bigelow

Space Tourism

Soyuz Rides to Space Sell Out!
Wednesday, November 15, 2006

Anatoly Perminov

Anatoly Perminov, the director of the Russian Federal Space Agency, has announced that all Souyz rocket rides to the International Space Station by orbital 'tourists' have been sold out until 2009. A waiting list is available for subsequent space flights in 24-to-30 months.

With demand running high for Souyz orbital flights, the price was raised from $20-million to $21-million recently to meet materials cost. The tourist may also pay an additional $15-million for a space walk.

To try and meet the growing appetite for space travel, Miassishchev, a Russian aerospace firm, is developing a suborbital spacecraft for perhaps as low as $100,000. Anousheh Ansari is involved with the development of the suborbital spacecraft.

Posted by JackKennedy at 12:00 AM Spaceports Blogspot
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Royal Princess Bea Planning Suborbital Space Trek
Sunday, November 12, 2006

British Princess Beatrice has accepted a suitor's offer to become the first member of the Royal family to fly into space aboard Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo in 2009.

To Bea or not to Bea?
The 18-year-old daughter of the Duke and Duchess of York (Prince Andrew and his ex-wife, Sarah Ferguson) and fifth in line to the United Kingdom throne, has reportedly accepted the invitation of David Clark, 24, son of wealthy New Yorker Michael Clark and a favorite young protege of Virgin billionaire entrepreneur Sir Richard Branson.

Her Royal Highness Princess Beatrice of York may be the first British Royal in space and help bring about greater social acceptance of space.

Posted by JackKennedy at 12:22 PM Spaceports Blogspot
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UPDATE Advertising Contracts

Image Credit: NASA/HMX

Thirty-four years have passed since our most famous amateur golfer astronaut, Alan B. Shepard, Jr., described the exaggerated distance of his moon shot as “miles and miles and miles.” Those famous words followed a one-handed golf swing with a rigged up six iron on the moon. The first swing was reported to be a duff, but the next connected. SOURCE

Now what self respecting Illuminati or Free Mason would go anywhere in the Galaxy if they couldn't play golf...

Saturday, November 18, 2006

Russian Cosmonaut Mikhail Tyurin will hit a long drive golf shot Wednesday 6:28 PM ET 22 November that may literally go around the world. The Russian will swing knocking a lightweight golf ball off a tee placed on the top of the Russian docking port on the International Space Station.

Club maker Element 21 Golf Co. of Toronto is paying the Russians an undisclosed amount for Tyurin's time, which included plenty of practice swings aboard the space station. Tyurin's drive is expected to be one for the record books, though not everyone agrees on how long the ball will fly. NASA figures it will fall into Earth's atmosphere and be incinerated within three days. Element 21 Golf is betting on three years 2.1 billion miles, and several orbits of Earth.

The last golf shot in space was on the Moon by the late Apollo 14 Commander Alan B. Shapard, Jr. in 1971 going "miles and miles and miles" above the lunar surface (see video here).

Posted by JackKennedy at 12:12 AM of Spaceports Blogspot
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So it seems Robert Bigelow was right... "No Access to Space for Americans" (NASA)... we may have to learn Russian to get along in Space...

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09-11-2008, 12:47 AM	#7
zorgon Guest Posts: n/a	Re: ISS - International Space Supercenter Shopping Mall Tourism in Space Look out the portal on the left... the view you see of the curvature of the Earth seen from orbit provides one of the main attractions for tourists paying to go into space. Tourism is certainly on the Horizon, but current trips to Luna and beyond are only for those with clearance. There is too much risk of exposing operations. There are many private companies offering low level flights, but they are in the $200,000.00 plus range for a few minutes in space... so quite out of the reach of common travelers. Our good friends in the Russian sector offer the occasional opportunity for an 8 to 10 day stay here on this station.. but it seems they have discovered the benefits of capitalism... price tag for one of those excursions is 20 million. But NASA is annoyed with our friends... seems they are not keen on the idea of tourists up here. I am not sure why they feel this way, after all they are supposed to be a publicly funded organization. Well that's the end of the tour for today. I hope you enjoyed it. Back in the lobby area while you await your transports you can browse through some literature on the various vacation packages and tour flights currently available. Also there is a short film for those interested about the Progress Automated Cargo Vessels that support operations out here in space. Many will be surprised as to the number of support vehicles we have. Thank you and have a safe journey... Dennis Tito makes history as the first 'official' space tourist. The trip cost him 20 million. Dennis does not like to be called a 'space tourist' but the media have stuck him with this after his historic flight on the Russian Soyuz TM-32 to the ISS in April of 2007 Tito's Soyuz Crew Says ISS Visit Less Cordial than First Reported By Yuri Karash Moscow Contributing Correspondent posted: 04:00 pm ET 16 May 2001 "Dennis Tito received a frosty welcome from the American crew aboard the International Space Station (ISS) during his sojourn in space, according to his crew members at a post landing briefing held Tuesday in Star City, Russia. "Having entered the station, we immediately felt that the U.S. crew members had been instructed to keep their distance from Dennis, and they followed this instruction," Soyuz commander Talgat Musabayev said at the event, held at Russia's cosmonaut training center." Source [1] "Tito and others reported that the greeting from the Americans aboard the ISS were less than cordial and made for a somewhat tense stay while on the ISS." [2] "Nasa objected strongly when last month American space tourist Dennis Tito spent six days on the ISS, having paid a fee of $20m (£14m) to the Russian space programme." [3] "Unfortunately, some of Mir's good traditions are not observed onboard the ISS," remarked flight engineer Yuri Baturin. "When visiting crews docked to Mir, the station main crews had always asked the visitors what they would like to have for lunch or dinner, even before the hatches separating the station from Soyuz were opened. When newcomers entered the Russian station, warm food had already been waiting for them." According to Baturin, he, Musabayev and Tito had to wait for three hours after entering the ISS for a meal. "Its too bad that even Yuri Usachev, Russian commander of the ISS, had apparently given up his traditional Russian hospitality to observe the U.S. developed rules and procedures," said Baturin. Baturin and Musabayev took the lack of traditional welcoming bread and salt onboard the station, as one of the most eloquent signs of U.S. dominance in the outpost. " [1] "In conjunction with the Federal Space Agency of the Russian Federation and Rocket and Space Corporation Energia, Space Adventures facilitated the flights for the world's first private space explorers: Dennis Tito, Mark Shuttleworth, Gregory Olsen, Anousheh Ansari and Charles Simonyi. The first three participants paid in excess of $20 million (USD) each for their 10 day visit to the ISS. NASA Public Affairs has used the term Space flight Participant to designate space tourists. Tito, Shuttleworth, Olsen, Ansari, and Simonyi were designated as such during their respective space flights. [6] lists Christa McAuliffe as a "Space Flight Participant" (although she did not pay a fee), apparently due to her non technical duties aboard the STS-51-L flight." [4] "With the realities of the post Perestroika economy in Russia, its space industry was especially starved for cash. The Tokyo Broadcasting System (TBS) offered to pay for one of its reporters to fly on a mission. For $28 million, Toyohiro Akiyama, was flown in 1990 to Mir with the eighth crew and returned a week later with the seventh crew. Akiyama gave a daily TV broadcast from orbit and also performed scientific experiments for Russian and Japanese companies. However, since the cost of the flight was paid by his employer, Akiyama could be considered a business traveler rather than a tourist. In 1991, British chemist Helen Sharman was selected from a pool of public applicants to be the first Briton in space. [2] As the United Kingdom had no space program, the arrangement was by a consortium of private companies who contracted with the Russian space program. Sharman was also in a sense a private space traveler, but she was a working cosmonaut with a full training regimen." [4] Image Credit Tass News Agency Q: "You've written before about the need to commercialize space. What does that mean, and how does it compare to the prevailing attitude abut space, especially NASA's perspective?" A: It's quite insidious. NASA's version of commercialization is not privatization. Those are two very different words in NASA's mentality. NASA's view of commercialization is: "We, NASA, own everything. We own all the hardware. We own the facilities to move people back and forth, and when they get there, we own that facility too." So in our scheme of commercializing things, we intend to be in business. They are a federal agency that's tax exempt and that gets $14 billion a year. And so they are paying no income taxes and here they are absolutely in business. They take 100 percent of the revenue of any company that pays them to do anything. And that's wrong; that's absolutely dead wrong. And it's a huge competitor to free enterprise." Q: Why do you think NASA has been reluctant to allow tourists in space, like Dennis Tito, for example? "Well, it's the mentality that "we own space." NASA stands for "No Access to Space for Americans" -- that's what it stands for to me and to most Americans. NASA has exclusive control and a lock on everything having to do with space, except for the Russian side. And they were just beyond belief in being rude and obnoxious [in response to Dennis Tito's trip]. It was just embarrassing to this country." [5] 1) Tito's Soyuz Crew Says ISS Visit Less Cordial than First Reported 2) Space Tourism - Dennis Tito 3) BBC News: Pizza sets new delivery record 4) Private space tourism - Wikipedia 5) My own private space station - Interview with Robert Bigelow Space Tourism Soyuz Rides to Space Sell Out! Wednesday, November 15, 2006 Anatoly Perminov Anatoly Perminov, the director of the Russian Federal Space Agency, has announced that all Souyz rocket rides to the International Space Station by orbital 'tourists' have been sold out until 2009. A waiting list is available for subsequent space flights in 24-to-30 months. With demand running high for Souyz orbital flights, the price was raised from $20-million to $21-million recently to meet materials cost. The tourist may also pay an additional $15-million for a space walk. To try and meet the growing appetite for space travel, Miassishchev, a Russian aerospace firm, is developing a suborbital spacecraft for perhaps as low as $100,000. Anousheh Ansari is involved with the development of the suborbital spacecraft. Posted by JackKennedy at 12:00 AM Spaceports Blogspot Links to this post Royal Princess Bea Planning Suborbital Space Trek Sunday, November 12, 2006 British Princess Beatrice has accepted a suitor's offer to become the first member of the Royal family to fly into space aboard Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo in 2009. To Bea or not to Bea? The 18-year-old daughter of the Duke and Duchess of York (Prince Andrew and his ex-wife, Sarah Ferguson) and fifth in line to the United Kingdom throne, has reportedly accepted the invitation of David Clark, 24, son of wealthy New Yorker Michael Clark and a favorite young protege of Virgin billionaire entrepreneur Sir Richard Branson. Her Royal Highness Princess Beatrice of York may be the first British Royal in space and help bring about greater social acceptance of space. Posted by JackKennedy at 12:22 PM Spaceports Blogspot Links to this post UPDATE Advertising Contracts Image Credit: NASA/HMX Thirty-four years have passed since our most famous amateur golfer astronaut, Alan B. Shepard, Jr., described the exaggerated distance of his moon shot as “miles and miles and miles.” Those famous words followed a one-handed golf swing with a rigged up six iron on the moon. The first swing was reported to be a duff, but the next connected. SOURCE Now what self respecting Illuminati or Free Mason would go anywhere in the Galaxy if they couldn't play golf... Saturday, November 18, 2006 Russian Cosmonaut Mikhail Tyurin will hit a long drive golf shot Wednesday 6:28 PM ET 22 November that may literally go around the world. The Russian will swing knocking a lightweight golf ball off a tee placed on the top of the Russian docking port on the International Space Station. Club maker Element 21 Golf Co. of Toronto is paying the Russians an undisclosed amount for Tyurin's time, which included plenty of practice swings aboard the space station. Tyurin's drive is expected to be one for the record books, though not everyone agrees on how long the ball will fly. NASA figures it will fall into Earth's atmosphere and be incinerated within three days. Element 21 Golf is betting on three years 2.1 billion miles, and several orbits of Earth. The last golf shot in space was on the Moon by the late Apollo 14 Commander Alan B. Shapard, Jr. in 1971 going "miles and miles and miles" above the lunar surface (see video here). Posted by JackKennedy at 12:12 AM of Spaceports Blogspot Links to this post So it seems Robert Bigelow was right... "No Access to Space for Americans" (NASA)... we may have to learn Russian to get along in Space... NEXT INSTALLMENT VACATION PACKAGES