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Originally Posted by Bill Ryan
Hi, Murmut:
We'll always welcome intelligent, well-informed passion here, but regardless of your passion to criticize Gary, and your presumed intelligence, you don't seem to be well-informed.
I've not yet read every post of yours here, but I believe I get the gist. You've certainly got your teeth into this for some reason that is not clear to me.
As best I know, Gary has never personally made any of the claims (re his legal situation) that you seem to be assigning to him. These are the conjectures of other pundits in the UFO community.
Gary is legally prohibited from using a computer. He can't even send an e-mail himself. He does not post on any forums. He does not manage his own website. As best I understand, his mother, Janis, does that.
It's legitimate to debate the interesting issues, but not to criticize him personally. That's way out of order. It sounds as if you've never seen a single interview he gave, which is puzzling because I assume you would have informed yourself well before posting.
As a separate issue, Gary has no proof of anything which he saw or read on screen. He was using a dial-up modem and was not able to download anything (although I believe he did try, but it took too long.) He readily admits he broke the law.
I have two questions:
1) Can you help us understand where you're coming from?
2) (as Einstein would have called a thought experiment) - If Gary was here, what would you like to ask him? (Between us, we MAY be able to answer fairly on his behalf.)
Very best wishes, Bill
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Hi Bill
Great site you have here.
I am a great admirer of what you and Kerry have done, are doing, and will do.
By the way...it is murNut, with an N.
I am disappointed that you would make a comment about me being uninformed, without reading my other posts.
I hope that Gary does as little time as possible, or none at all.
I don't think this is likely though.
If you would read some of my other posts on this matter, you would see that my main criticism is of Gary's supporters...speaking it would seem on his behalf.
I don't believe the ends justifies the means.
Some here do.
The circle must be broken, IMO, other wise how are we any different than those we despise?
I do have some problems, with some of the misinformation that has been floated by those that have identified themselves as Gary supporters.
Gary is not a terrorist, and was offered a fair plea arrangement in my opinion.
He declined, and this is his right.
If the issue is that the UK should not allow Gary to be extradited, that is a different matter.
I have no real opinion...other than Gary has had his day in court, 3 times on this issue, and lost.
Are all of these judges in on the conspiracy to get Gary?
Yes, I have seen multiple interviews of Gary, and read many news accounts.
If I am being asked if I believe Gary is credible, no, sadly I don't.
I don't believe secret ufo/space files are on computer networks.
Just my opinion, I could be wrong.
The biggest secret in the history of the world on a network?
I just don't think it is logical to believe this is true.
I am not aware that I have criticized him personally.
Maybe I questioned some of his decisions?
I have no questions for Gary.
Many have posted that Gary is a hero.
I can't say I agree.
The ufo community has hero's that don't break the law.
What about those that break their security oath, you might say?
Who has been prosecuted for this?
Gary's supporter making wild claims, hurts the credibility of the ufo community as a whole.
I believe only the best cases, that have the best witnesses, with supporting documentation, should be the cases that are debated in the public.
I feel bad for Gary, but time to man up.