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Old 04-06-2009, 12:47 AM   #93
Rainchild
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Default Re: Zeitgeist: Project Venus Pioneers

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Originally Posted by NorthernSantuary View Post
"You don't even respond to the notion of it being a Marxist technocracy..."

I didn't bother to respond to this because I didn't see the need to connect the benefits of technology with any political or centralised control government system, and it's not what I want to support. My interest is primarily in recognising that technology and a resource based system can free the people from working all day just to survive, so that they have more time to develop their spirituality.

I don't believe that Jacque Fresco has any interest in linking it to a Marxist or any other political system at all. The social system I see is one where lawyers and politicians will be out of a job; such functions are totally incompatible with a spiritual based society. Jacque Fresco also expresses the same distain on any political system in the following Larry King interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVOPk...eature=related
A Technocracy is not technically a political system. Because it is not ruled by any man, but is ruled by the machines and sciences man creates regardless if the sciences have truth behind them or not. Based on the "redconditioning", Peter Joseph mentioned Marxism becomes a side variable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism#Exploitation

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Marxism holds that class struggle is the central element of social change. "The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggle" ( –Communist Manifesto). In the present form of society, capitalism, the two main classes are the capitalists (or bourgeoisie), who own the means of producing the necessities of life; and the workers (or proletariat) who do not own those means of production and therefore must work for the capitalists in order to survive. Marxism holds that such a system is exploitive as well as, in the final analysis, economically irrational. Marxism aims at the overthrow of capitalism and its replacement by a classless society in which goods are produced for their usefulness not profitability; and distributed according to the principles of (at first): "from each according to their ability, to each according to their work"; and finally, in the most advanced stage: "from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs.

Since the initial formulation of the above principles by Marx in the mid 1800s, Marxism has developed and evolved in various ways. While there are many theoretical and practical differences among the various forms of Marxism, most forms of Marxism share these principles:

* an attention to the material conditions of people's lives and social relations among people
* a belief that people's consciousness of the conditions of their lives reflects these material conditions and relations
* an understanding of class in terms of differing relations of production and as a particular position within such relations
* an understanding of material conditions and social relations as historically malleable
* a view of history according to which class struggle, the evolving conflict between classes with opposing interests, structures each historical period and drives historical change
* a sympathy for the working class or proletariat
* and a belief that the ultimate interests of workers best match those of humanity in general

Two points of contention among Marxists are the degree to which they are committed to a workers' revolution as the means of achieving human emancipation and enlightenment, and the actual mechanism through which such a revolution might occur and succeed. Marxism is correctly but not exhaustively described as a variety of Socialism. Some Marxists argue that no actual state has ever fully realized Marxist principles.

I don't agree with Jacque when talks about history not make the history books, about not having a CHOICE, but to go to University. I don't agree with his ideas on education. These ideas are dangerous and they scream information management to me.

Last edited by Rainchild; 04-06-2009 at 01:29 AM.
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