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judykott
I am not saying his information is all inaccurate or not of value. I found great value in every video I saw. I feel it prudent to take in the information that is here about him however.
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Right - I did not mean to be dismissive about that comment - just takes me a long time to choose my words and I was out of time to continue ...
Coincidentally, not even on the hunt for them, this afternoon I found the Dan Winter rebuttals. And it is only fair that at least part of that be posted here.
http://www.goldenmean.info/dnaring/danside.pdf
This is a 16 page document - I have not read all of it but enough to confirm what I said earlier about vast differences in perceptions that different parties have of the same events. What I've read has been a pretty good read explaining with clarity some of the concepts that have been difficult for me to grasp. I often start out by skipping to the bottom. Here's a little summary best as I can quickly cobble together:
Dan had long been working with the Golden Mean Spiral and published a book in 1984 before he even met Stan Tenen a few years later.
Stan had been unable to come up with the correct spiral for his idea and had something to do with a piece of jewelry. Furthermore "Stan Tenen has never accepted the Golden Mean spiral as the correct solution to the problem of symbol and embeddedness."
"It is critical to understand that my 1984 "Geometric Keys to the Resonant
Spirit of Biology", were the index to symmetry which makes BOTH BIOLOGICAL
SHAPES AND ALPHABET."
After he met with Tenen:
"AS A FORMER SYSTEMS ANALYST WITH IBM, I returned to my lab, and
spent two years consulting on the best way to map a spiral upon a 3D donut.
Michael Martin, the author of the 3D software package Super3D, gave me the
key idea, .... Working on this
problem of how to best get pure symmetry into symbol, made me such an
expert of this 3D modeling technique, that I have frequently been called upon
to consult on high level professional problems in 3D mapping."
"17. With regard to Stan Tenen’s claim that I shared his work without permission, there is little more than irony. Stan Tenen on numerous occasions
sent me his manuscripts specifically asking me to send them out with my
work, since they obviously were related to my origin work."
"If I did not have permission to reproduce and
distribute their materials , why were Stan Tenen and Cynthia Tenen, Meru
Secretary sending me the material repeatedly suggesting I share it with others,
and THANKING ME FOR SHARING IT WITH “SO MANY PEOPLE”. I never
shared any other materials than were accompanied by this written letter of
permission. This was in addition to dozens of phone calls from Stan Tenen,
encouraging me to copy and s end out his material, with mine. Even though
Stan may deny making those phone calls to me today,"
Concerning a film that they produced:
"I distributed that film to hundreds of my friends, at my cost, to
help further Stan's work for him. This lead directly to the highly paid speaking
engagements which I arranged for Stan Tenen ..."
"When I spent two years acheiving a map of that form on the donut, to
produce the first usable computer animation of the alphabet, Stan quickly
decided he was suing me for ever having shared his work, which was now far
overshadowed by my own. My alphabet letters were an accurate new computer
model using the Golden Mean Spiral to create alphabet, a dramatic
advance over Stan Tenen’s choice of what was at that time an undefined
spiral, and not successfully computer modeled."
"19. Grace Engler who knew of Stan Tenen’s work long before she reques ted
me to speak in Yelm WA wrote: “... it is obvious to us that Mr.Winter has
taken whatever you may have shared with him years ago and gone far beyond
it, bringing new understandings to phys ics , sacred geometry and cons
ciousness ”."
"23. The largest monetary benefit Stan Tenen received specifically because I
mailed out copies of his material with mine, at his request, was from Henry
MacLean,... Henry invited Stan Tenen to speak at his “Timeless Archtecture”
conference in Boston, at my suggestion. A large number of the attendees were
people who learned of Stan Tenen’s work because I mailed it to them, mostly
at my expense. Stan Tenen received a large monetary compensation for that
talk which I initiated for him, even though he took that occasiion to slander
and libel my unique work using the Golden Mean spiral."
Stan claims Dan can us the Aribic and English, but not the Hebrew!!!
"Every letterform, both HEBREW AND ARABIC/ENGLISH in ALL of my
work and current material is only an exact computer plot of only the same
product of my two year matrix algebra topology map project on my original
Golden Mean Spiral idea, mapped on the same kind of vortex I published in
1984 before hearing of Stan Tenen."
"Fortunately I had access at that time to the best legal advice available,
as well. Copyright Law Specialist Attorney Gordon Kinder from Cleveland
wrote to me on 3/20/92:
"In my opinion the campaign of malignment which Mr. Tenen has undertaken
is actionable by you. He has engaged in a course of libel and slander
which seems to me to be unjustified..
In my opinion you are under no legal obligation to cease this work.. As
a philosophical matter, it would seem that the closer you approach the ultimate
truth, the more likely it is to be susceptible to only one mode of expression...
In my opinion you are under no legal obligation to credit Mr.Tenen
with origination of any of the theories relating to sacred alphabets . (I had
only removed Stan Tenen's name from my book at his insistance that I do so.)
In paragraph 4, page 2, Mr Tenen expos es the crux of his misconception when
he defines the signature of his personal discovery (he says the end of the
vortex bends back in the opposite direction of any form of the Golden Mean
spiral) (again showing that Stan Tenen's model IS NOT the correct Golden
Mean spiral..dew) and claims he owns 'copyrights ' to it. The idea, once discovered
is the property of all humanity, it is only the particular express ion of
it to which he owns copyrights. He does not have a copyright in the "discovery",
only in the words and forms he us ed to express it.
The balance of the February 18th letter is a clear threat to you which is to
a large degree unfounded. Specifically, it is my view that you have an absolute
right to continue working with sacred alphabet.
Re: paragraph 2, you do not need Tenen's authorization to display Hebrew
looking letters generated from vortex forms , unless you are copying Tenen's
expression. (The Golden Mean spiral mathematically modeled, is clearly NOT
Tenen's expression). Further, MERU continues to insist on a copyright to it's
"idea". This concept is not recognized in the law.."
"Being a simple and very law abiding person, I took the advi e of this the
best expert I could f ind, and continued to work on this form. As a practical
matter, the vast majority of the people who write to me for information and
materials which I have informally published, are not in the least bit interested in the origin of Hebrew. And furthermore this is a tiny percentage of
the information shared in my materials .
So therfore Stan Tenen's claims that I am making big bucks by selling
his invention are even more ill founded. In any case, I am happy to submit to
the court proof that I am over $40000 further in debt now, than when I firs t
completed this map using computer topology for letterforms . And further, I
am happy to submit to the court copies of my last years tax return proving 5
figure losses last year alone, in attempting to share this work (of which again
Hebrew is a miniscule part thereof )."
http://www.goldenmean.info/dnaring/
"If you have seen the lies and slander a few zealots have placed on the internet about Dan Winter, it is regarding his original discovery 15 years ago to use the equation (all graphics below are only his original equation) for the Golden Mean spiral self organizing on a donut to prove the origin of Hebrew and other alphabets. At the time he completed that work - those who now slander him (Stan Tenen / Meru ) had only a piece of jewelry to cast shadows- no equation, no golden mean, no computer model. Unfortuneately - they did have a lawyer. Dan wasted over $100,000 in legal costs - over 10 years - while the other lawyer delivered truckloads of junk paper hassle to the court. In the end - by escaping where justice was only available to those who could afford it, Dan reached out to a bigger world than the civil legal system of a sick America. While his detractors tell stupid lies about Dan being somehow a bad guy, his only work was to give away free the REAL physics of the origin of symbol - which remains a Golden Mean spiral on a donut. While the slanderers still somehow claim - the Golden Mean is not the correct physics of origin of symbol! See the story, the proof, and the animations at here. (Dan's side of the legal history: danside.pdf ). See also his picture below from 'PI the Movie' (originally named Phi) - which was basically a retelling of his drama with the zealot Hebrew rabbis. Everyone who brings striking new information to the world becomes controversial. This is not a personality contest - it is simply about the truth - people are empowered when their symbols allow them to embed (by Golden Ratio) in the world. Millions who view Dan's original Golden Mean physics of alphabets animations - confirm - imagining in the REAL language of light - DOES make your dreams come true!" - we have made so much available for free, please use our teaching material & support our work: goldenmean.info/tools