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Originally Posted by avyaktam
Let me start with my original post about defining and re-defining the Brahman concept....
He is the Maker and the world he made,
He is the vision and he is the seer;
He is himself the actor and the act,
He is himself the knower and the known,
He is himself the dreamer and the dream.
-Savitri
In this paradigm there is as you can see no place for an ‘outside’, as I tried to explain in my post above, although it leaves ample room for negations, oppositions, contradictions, ‘impossibilities’, etc.
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avyaktam - If this true in any sense, then this what the Brahman says about the Brahman. How is this any different from what any of the "One God" entities say about themselves?
If you want to give energy to this, or these deities, that's your choice. Just by using these names you align yourself with archetypal patterns and every action which has ever been done in their names. I want nothing to do with any of it. Simply naming the primal energy of existence reduces our perception of it. To describe it in any way reduces it further. If we give it a face and talk to it, personalize it, pray to it, ask for assistance and blessings...all these actions help to co-create a force which is outside of ourselves, an entity which we are forming and shaping within our minds. I'm not saying that this is what you're doing with the Brahman...that would be an unfair assumption based upon what you've written, but it is what most people do with their gods.
So you want to believe that the Brahman = Prime Creator or Source Consciousness? Fine...have at it. Baxter, and some of us in this thread are asking questions as to whether this axiom is correct. Maybe it's semantics and they are the same, maybe not...but just the fact that the pantheon of lower deities claims integration with the Brahman, would indicate that there may be substance to the claim of an "outside". You question Baxter's ability to discern...she questions the ability of humanity to discern, and she has the hell that is the present earth to show as evidence for her case.
Source consciousness does not need adoration or worship, it doesn't need our return or ascension, it doesn't need anything. But, if that force is truly what we're made of, then we must be endowed with it's attributes. We are Mind and we are immortal. We're filling up eternity with experience. We create because we need a constant flow of novel experience to Be what we are...and we
are co-creators of the universe. We're
driven to act as source consciousness does. Through this fragmentation and the infinite iterations of that force, reality exists in both in it's structure and in all it's convoluted wonder.
So let's come back to Earth. What's wrong with this picture? Who
has hijacked the bus? You fear to call it the Brahman, a name sacred to you, but you don't have a problem calling it by the names of the lesser deities.
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Haste not towards Godhead on a dangerous road...
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Yes...
there's a warning for us. Don't step off of the proscribed path. Do not think outside of the box.
It is a dangerous path. My intuition tells me that many of us have put ourselves at great risk simply by coming into this realm at this time. If it takes another 25,000 years to escape it, or worse, so be it. I have to assume it was an informed decision.
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Originally Posted by avyaktam
The discernment of what is good or bad, true or false, divine or undivine is one of our jobs here for which we can only find the answer within. We have a great freedom to choose every second what we accept and what we reject. Freedom is an essential attribute of this Manifestation, victory and defeat are possible at every turn. A challenging game, would’t you prefer that after a couple of billion universes. A future more interresting than a choir of harp playing angels.
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Well, I'm with your there. It's no goal of mine to hang out on a cloud with with angels for eternity. Eternity is for adventure, and we're certainly having one here.