[Czymra]

Okay guys, the thread splices up somewhere here so allow me to weave things together to gain a little more coherence again and maybe I can manage to even support both discussions at the same time. I'll refer to 'old' quotes just to give this a proper vector. Let's go!

Let's start with 1. The actual issue of syphoning:

Czymra, I'm happy that you indicate you were asking the "syphoning" question not because you were looking for instructions, but as I assumed, because you wanted to know how it works as energetic process.

It sounds like you want to escape the loop of having other people manipulate you on an energetic level. This is doable, but remember that we are all connected energetically to begin with. So perhaps what you want is someone to help you with effective protective methods.

First, I'm aware that we are all one. I don't intend to cut myself off. Also, as I will ferociously defend later, I am trying to practice not just discuss.
I don't consider myself in a loop of energetic manipulation at the moment. I'm not in an abusive relationship that was forced unto me or that I have not recognised as such. This is not about saving myself at this point in time. It's about gaining insight, or rather, as I'm consistently trying to express, finding access to a way of getting real insight, outside of the mind and intellectualising.
In short, the model building is a matter of grasping dynamics that might go on 'out there' so I can recognise them when I encounter them. How else will I know the ships from swimming mountains?

We really should get back to this but it seems that we're yet again wound up in discussing the why at all and how, so here goes:

2. The matter of grasping 'energetics':

I don't think it's about unlearning anything, at least on purpose, and you can't know too much (though you can know too much for your own good). We can be too deep within the rational mind and not expansive enough intuitively....or the opposite for that matter. If you feel like you're too locked into rational thinking, there are ways to blow that paradigm out of the water.

We are also bound by ego and by the Mind. And it is clear you have a great mind, Czymra. So all of what you have an intense desire for may in the processs be limited by the mind. Because at some point, when you have built the model with your mind, know that the model itself may be intrinsically limited. For the mind cannot grasp one's true essence. However, one may take this growing model of understanding and begin the work of Practice and Spiritual Cultivation - applying what you are learning. If we do not practice with pure intent on the work, we may not advance to our satisfaction. Just reading and learning and talking does not advance us.

Sun-Toon's and Dakini's statement seem to oppose each other directly here.
Okay, I'm with you on hemisphere synchronisation, but something tells me that's not the whole deal. When you're synced, you're still operating that sync input on an old paradigm, aren't you?
As for the limited mind, I am aware of that, as I will try to explain again later, I'm not trying to gain actual insight through discussion, but find a pathway to that insight.
And believe me, I do practice, every day, out there in the world, not in the imagination of my head.

People who are truly advanced share their amazing stories in appropriate ways. They don't force them on other people at dinner parties, or tell them to those who would misuse the information, but they don't keep it to themselves either. I don't care how expansive someone thinks their vision is, all I can see around here is the blind leading the blind. Nobody's that much more special than anyone else.

An adept meditation teacher may tell this friend to "keep meditating." Remember, advanced meditators will cross over into this world of illusion and it is the goal to avoid becoming attached to all the bells and whistles of the spiritual cultivation process. What is frustrating is remaining at this level of meditation where all the stuff is happening. S/he should push through this stage - it is not a symbol of being 'advanced.'
It is only natural to be excited by these bells and whistles and want to share the undescribable to those closest - however - it is a sign that one is opening up, a beginner, not that one has reached any destination. Those that spill the beans early on usually regret doing that - many of us have made that mistake. Because things change, we evolve, we realize over time that things that happen may be coming from the mind and the ego. Talking about it to anyone who is not one's mentor can end up being a mistake. The cultivation process takes so many twists and turns over the years.

I'm with sun-toon on this one. Dakini, something strikes me from the words you write, also on the "The Open Secret" Thread. It's filled of words like 'adept' and 'master' and 'progress' and the respect for it. It makes me consider the possibility that you bought into this ascension stuff for too long to now let go of it, another sign of ego I would think. Another sign that I have become allergic to is calling others 'beginners'. I may have done that myself often a time, but just as often I have realised that it is only a matter for people trying to re-establish their own status quo. Yes, they are afraid of people that learn quicker than them because why would they have it easier or be more talented? It's not fair they probably think, those that learn too quickly have to be syphoned and confused on their path. "We're just testing them", these barriers are part of the path after all, aren't they?
Another ego trip?

No matter, and even though I probably blew your patience at this point, I would like to know how 'spilling the beans' can be a mistake. I can guess what you're getting at, but I'm not sure what the greater gain is. If more of us had such skills maybe there would actually be a real chance of turning the world toward something more positive. I mean, if we all were telepathic, if there were no secrets but only full collision and acutal emoting and sensing of the other, real empathy, no misunderstanding, how could that be any detriment to anybody?
Yeah you have to face yourself and get your heart ripped out, but it sounds like it's worth it.

This is where some people start...the curiosity about the spiritualistic phenomena around the unseen. But don't make the mistake of imagining that seeing things or beings, seeing auras, creating magic, manifesting, etc. are the end result of anything remotely spiritual. In fact, these things are the signposts that one needs to keep progressing, that one is not near enough to the goal. The ego will often create spiritualistic phenomena - yes, the ego -
it will create distractions to advancement. Because true advancement of the soul threatens the ego. So the ego will want to create all kinds of phenomena to keep you attached and very interested in that level of your
progress. Heck, why progress? Life is SO much more interesting here. And now I'm special. But very few phenomena, some say none, at this juncture come from Spirit.

I agree fully with you here Dakini, to the extent that I'm actually confused why you said what I treated before this. However, the level you are talking about isn't even in my reach yet. I see no entity anywhere in fact and I'm fine with that, because I'm at least aware that all that there is right now is my ego and mind playing on me.
Regarding the last paragraph on 'quick learning' however, I suppose I must admit that I'm trying to bypass all that ghost-seeing. Then again, I thought that manifesting things is the sh*t. Okay, there may be more but yet again it would put an end to enslavement on this planet!
So maybe bypassing is not possible, who knows. But I am asking my questions so that I may recognise the deeper truth beyond all the spiritualistic stuff. That is why I bring up the story of the ships floating on the water, so I may recognise that which isn't even visible to me yet. It isn't visible because I've completely shut it out of my spectrum of possibility, or maybe it was never there. Who knows. No matter this is about understanding how to actualise an insight, not gaining an insight through writing. I know that's not possible.

This is really a very big question. Who to choose as one's teacher. There are so few these days, I agree. But it can't stop you from reading and practicing. Your choice at this point is where to start and what kind of teachings to focus on - New Age, spiritualistic stuff or the spiritual stuff. The New Age stuff will teach you to see beings and manifest - you can be the Magician if you like or you can attempt to be more.

Now I do want to give you a hug. There you understand what I mean, that again, I'm confused why you even mentioned the other stuff. If I wanted to be a magician I'd do the 777 stuff. It doesn't feel right. I concluded that seeing auras and gaining information through RV and Akashic Records is a sensible step however, because if I suddenly sit outside and no food is on in the supermarkets, I'll have ways of knowing where to turn to. Fair enough, I can follow my intuition.
I do have a 'mentor' if you can call him that at the moment and he continues on blowing my mind but I'm still missing something, true interaction just isn't happening on this level, as you concluded yourself. Maybe that's why one can't grasp syphoning either? Are we already beyond being able to model anything? So far the astral stuff seemed rather conceivable.
Yes, all these things so far are just concepts and imaginations in my head. Be it telepathy, syphoning whatever.
The difference however is that telepathy, actually I can grasp that somehow already, syphoning, not entirely.
The point is: How can I even say this? Dakini, get me wrong this time, it's not understanding, it's not grasping, it's not modelling, it's not conceptualising or conceiving an idea, it's just finding a method that THEN allows me to somehow be (for lack of a better term) the ships, to gain REAL insight in PRACTICE.


The question though is, if you don't advocate learning these 'skills' what do you advocate?