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Originally Posted by Josefine

The term 'An Unbidden Experience of Oneness' is very derogatory term for what is our birthright. You are suggesting that there is a right and a wrong time to experience Oneness!

Hi Josefine. I'm not suggesting theres a right or wrong time to experience Oneness. The point i am making has nothing to do with timing. I'm saying that just because the experience of Oneness comes out of the blue - ie. there is no discernable reason for it like meditating or praying or whatever doesnt mean there is no path and no goal. The first experience comes to give the soul an appetite for spiritual communion.... it's first conscious taste perhaps in this lifetime. Hopefully the experience will teach the soul the difference between the spiritual Self and the more familiar vibration of the lower aspects of the psyche so that true discernment can begin. In the experience of Oneness, even if it is fleeting, the spirit is not seeking to immortalise the current condition of the soul or to give the impression that there is nothing to change. Change is the spiritual motive for the experience.

The spiritual Self is really saying "This is WHO I AM. Attune to My Vibration and Guidance and I Will draw thee (up in vibration) unto Me". This means that the soul must seek to be guided by higher Will and be prepared to take direction from spirit. The Christ Presence will lead each soul uniquely according to personal karma which is different for everyone. There are certain conditions we must experience, particular people we must meet and specific service we must render. All this is given to the soul through the Christ Presence / higher- Self. In the (vibrationally) imperfect state the soul will go through a path of trial and error to reach the 'destination' of perfect, unbroken awareness of spirit.

Originally Posted by Josefine

Time is an illusion, and whithout time there is no distance and no separation.

Ok, but time is not the only illusion. The low vibration of the negative aspects of the psyche is an illusion too but only if we prove it is by transmutation. If we can change it we have proven it an illusion. If we fail to transform these states of consciousness we have not proven them illusory. To put it slightly differently: The energy patterns of hatred, fear, envy, deciet, arrogance, revenge etc are illusions because the low vibrations of these states of consciousness separate the soul from the high vibrations of christ-consciousness. They are illusions because they can be changed by the transforming power of the inner- Christ. If they are not changed the soul will continue to labour under the illusion. The changing of the garments of consciousness -- exchanging the tatty old illusions of hate, fear etc for the wedding garment of light -- is a the 'great work of the ages'. It is 'the path'. We actually need cycles of time to accomplish this 'great work'.

Originally Posted by Josefine

I have just listened to the first video with Tony Parsons, 'Longing for Wholeness'. It brings a deep sense of recognition.

It reminds me of many wonderful teachers along my way.

It does to me too. But there are some concepts taught that are not true. Tony has published the transcripts of some of his talks and i will paste some in this thread and discuss them. So long as folks are happy to discuss it i'm happy for each of us to come to our own understanding of truth. I'm not looking for a blue.

Originally Posted by Josephine

Krishamurti was one of them, a paradoxical teacher: He said you do not need a teacher. Just be, you find it all within. Yet he published book after book, lectured for many years and left a lot of video taped sessions.

It does boil down as Krishnamurti and others aver to : "Just Be, you will find it all within". But you will also find other elements of self which are not pure Being. The soul must forge a path of self transformation through the labryinth of anti- being in the subconscious. Krishnamurti said many great things but given some of his statements i don't accept that he 'found it all' within himself. In order to just 'Be' there is much to understand about the elements of self which comprise anti-being. Krishnamurti simply left out the path to Being through the confrontation with anti-being. When he rejected the path and the masters who have illuminated the path with their wisdom he may as well have rejected Jesus and Guatama both of whom taught "The Way". The 'Way' is a pathway to Being. It includes spiritual tools which Krishnamurti taught are unequivocally useless.

Originally Posted by Josephine

We are in an illusionary reality, yet it is a perfect illusion that feels totally real. We are here to experience, and that is how it was planned.

We are here to experience but many of our experiences are not planned by the higher- Self. They're motivated merely by the passions and appetites of the lower-ego. Christ does not need to know about being raped or knifed in a dark alley. Or being run over by a bus. These are the tragic consequences of ignorance (ie, not being directed by spirit), human passion and appetite. Guatama taught that life is suffering. He taught that the cause of suffering is 'dukkha' which is an 'out of alignment' state of consciousness. ie, a part of self which is vibrationally 'out of alignment' with the higher- Self or 'Buddha'. If we can raise the vibration of those 'out of alignment' states our souls can rise into 'alignment' or harmonious resonance with the higher- Self. One is a consequence of the other and vice versa.

Originally Posted by Josefine

In truth we never left Oneness.

We did. We can see the deplorable effects of that vibrational 'departure' everywhere on earth. We see it in the fallen consciousness of the race and the bitter fruit of suffering in the lives of the mass of humanity. We have exercised our freewill to fall into a lower state of consciousness. As a result almost no-one on earth is conscious of Oneness because almost everyone has created an anti-self which blocks the experience. Oneness isn't proven by merely stating that it is so. It is proven by the transmutation of the 'fallen' aspects of self.

Originally Posted by Josefine

A gentle shift of perception is all it takes to be there - in the Oneness, in Love.

True. A shift of perception is what it takes to remedy ignorance (ignorance of the Oneness of love). We must see through the illusions of separation but those illusions (of fear, hatred etc) are substantive. That is, they have form and substance which needs to be transformed by the high vibration of love. The process of transformation is a repetitive ritual of immersion in the light of love (in meditation and service) so that the soul can transcend the grossness which entombs it in matter.

Originally Posted by Josefine

Christ is not enlightened. Enlightenment suggests a move from being unenlightened to becoming enlightened.

I differentiate between the Universal Christ, Jesus' Christ Self and Jesus' soul. Jesus' soul was 'annointed' / 'enlightened' by his Christ Self (the Son) and I AM Presence (the Father). Occasionally the Universal Christ spoke through him:

"He who keeps my commandments
the Father and the Son will take up their abode in him"

And...

"I AM the Way the Truth and the Life
No man goeth unto the Father except through Me"

Likewise Guatama's soul was enlightened by the Buddha. Same. Both of these souls (and others) have, over many incarnations in matter, walked the path from relative ignorance to the full enlightenment of the higher- Self / Christ / Buddha / I AM.

Originally Posted by Josefine

Christ IS the Light and the Void, as one in the trinity of Father/Mother God of All-Oneness is. Christ was the first issue, the first to manifest created reality. He has incarnated many times. As 'sys adm' he has tended to subtle tasks of adjustment when the rest of us have become too lost in the illusion.

As i understand it we all, Jesus included, have a unique Christ Self individualised out of the Universal Christ. Jesus is a kingpin in all this and after falling into duality consciousness himself he extricated himself from the illusion and has since incarnated many times to assist us to do likewise. This is where i depart from Krishnamurti's dismissal of the assistance which Jesus and other adepts can offer and the teachings they gave ... and are still giving.

Originally Posted by Josefine

It is ok to become immersed. It is ok to become such good actors on a stage that we are 'lost' in the play.

It is also totally ok to remember that it is a play, and that we never left the larger Reality.

You know i agree with most of that. Our I AM Presence never left the larger reality but by falling into the lower vibration of duality consciousness our souls certainly have left the larger reality. It can be argued that the 'departure' of that fragment of self is only a 'sense' of separation and i agree. But we have that 'sense of separation' because we have misqualified the spiritual light of the Christ and impressed it into a lower form. Those lower forms of being are vibrating below the level of the Christ-consciousness. To realise eternal Oneness they must rise again or be 'resurrected' by Christ into their original vibration. All aspects of our being need to be brought back into harmony with the original Self. This is how Oneness is again perfected.... How paradise 'lost' is regained by the soul.

Originally Posted by Josefine

The only difference between Tony Parsons teachings and my deepest source is that in the Oneness of Love we still have individuality. We may not see alike, also in the larger reality. That is because there was a first birth in the Oneness, when we were given individual consciousness. It is like the drops in the ocean, totally immersed in the whole, yet being the molecules that comprise the quality of water.

I absolutely agree with all this. We do have individuality at the spiritual level of the Christ and the I AM Presence. Each One is uniquely individual and compliments others so that there is harmony and Oneness among all in the spiritual realms. Ours is a rare understanding nowdays with most modern teachers suggesting that individuality is illusory and only apparent at the level of the human personality.

Originally Posted by Josefine

Good teachers merely remind us: You Never Left.

The soul is a fragment of the I AM Presence (the Father) projected into the material planes. Our physical and subtle bodies are vessels for the soul's expression and experience in materiality (the Womb of Mother). Self mastery is the intended goal of the soul's journey. Souls who have fallen into duality consciousness have 'left' the reality of Oneness because they have lost the conscious awareness of the I AM Presence. All who fell have made the 'womb' of matter a 'tomb' instead. But the 'dead' can be raised again and must be if we are to return to that state of grace which is conscious attunement with 'the Father and the Son'.

Originally Posted by Josefine

Peace

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