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Humble Janitor 12-11-2008 09:32 AM

The use of the word "sheeple"
 
I think that people on here should stop using the word "sheeple" to describe those who they feel are uninformed.

It's insulting to those folks and it contradicts the idea of getting out the message to those people. If we look down on them and equate them with animals, do you really think that they're going to wake up and join our side?

Also, by labeling the masses as "sheeple", you are showing arrogance and your own insecurity.

If we want to help the masses, we need to stop acting like we're "high and mighty" and treat people like we would treat anyone else.

iainl140285 12-11-2008 09:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor (Post 93504)
I think that people on here should stop using the word "sheeple" to describe those who they feel are uninformed.

It's insulting to those folks and it contradicts the idea of getting out the message to those people. If we look down on them and equate them with animals, do you really think that they're going to wake up and join our side?

Also, by labeling the masses as "sheeple", you are showing arrogance and your own insecurity.

If we want to help the masses, we need to stop acting like we're "high and mighty" and treat people like we would treat anyone else.


I will absolutley second that my friend! :thumb_yello:
There was a time when a large percentage of people on this forum were part of the mis-guided masses and we ALL should remember that.


Peace
Iain

piers2210 12-11-2008 09:46 AM

Re: The use of the word "sheeple"
 
There was an interesting use of the word "sheeple" in a recent David Icke interview where he said at least sheep need a sheep dog to push them into line...humans don't even need help...they just do it without thinking!!

Humble Janitor 12-11-2008 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by piers2210 (Post 93510)
There was an interesting use of the word "sheeple" in a recent David Icke interview where he said at least sheep need a sheep dog to push them into line...humans don't even need help...they just do it without thinking!!

Just because David Icke says it, doesn't mean that it's o.k to say.

I understand the concept but words have a nasty way of angering people and turning them off.

I have disconnected from political causes that I once supported and I'm pretty much a free agent now. I seek out balance in the type of information I read. Mainstream media offers no balance.

piers2210 12-11-2008 09:56 AM

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yeah, i don't even watch the tv now.

munkey 12-11-2008 10:11 AM

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I believe the term is used because some people refuse to wake up to anything and continue in the sheep like mentality and only react when someone next to them does.

you can except it as derogatory if you choose to or just see it as an easy way to describe the masses.

It really is a waste of time trying to be politically correct in a forum trying to shed the shackles of the oppressors and get out of the mindset of the masses.

we can be politically correct and just fall into line like good little sheep if you like, or we can be ourselves and try and get the sheeple to join our flock of black sheeple and learn about what is really going on.

futureyes 12-11-2008 10:47 AM

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we are no more and no less than another, when we finally realize this we become one, our separation then ends ...

sheeple is separation but only if we haven't realized our oneness ...

Humble Janitor 12-11-2008 10:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by munkey (Post 93522)
I believe the term is used because some people refuse to wake up to anything and continue in the sheep like mentality and only react when someone next to them does.

you can except it as derogatory if you choose to or just see it as an easy way to describe the masses.

It really is a waste of time trying to be politically correct in a forum trying to shed the shackles of the oppressors and get out of the mindset of the masses.

we can be politically correct and just fall into line like good little sheep if you like, or we can be ourselves and try and get the sheeple to join our flock of black sheeple and learn about what is really going on.

It has nothing to do with being politically correct and everything to do with having a smug attitude towards the "unenlightened". We've all see throughout history, what happens when people have such an attitude. It wasn't pretty either.

Josefine 12-11-2008 11:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by munkey (Post 93522)
you can except it as derogatory if you choose to or just see it as an easy way to describe the masses.

we can be politically correct and just fall into line like good little sheep if you like, or we can be ourselves and try and get the sheeple to join our flock of black sheeple and learn about what is really going on.

Well, well, metaphor upon metaphor! So the black sheeple of this forum are not the target of your shooting monkey?

I'd say that you could be a serious misanthropist (people hater) with a subliminal agenda in your avatar ('let's get rid of them'). Remember, a picture may say more than 1000 words.

Your posts speak otherwise, so I think not. Maybe you should get yourself a new avatar? :thumb_yello:

Seth Haniel 12-11-2008 11:15 AM

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Wonder how many 'Sheeple' will follow this advice...




;)

Rebel4Life 12-11-2008 11:24 AM

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no such thing as good or bad only perception :smoke:

munkey 12-11-2008 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Josefine (Post 93535)
Well, well, metaphor upon metaphor! So the black sheeple of this forum are not the target of your shooting monkey?

I'd say that you could be a serious misanthropist (people hater) with a subliminal agenda in your avatar (let's get rid of them). Remember, a picture may say more than 1000 words.

Your posts speak otherwise, so I think not. Maybe you should get yourself a new avatar? :thumb_yello:

I actually like people in general , in fact I believe every person deserves to be on this planet without the need for someone to lead them.

(my avatar is one I use in gaming, so rather than search for a new one, I just use a generic one so I don't have to worry about uploading a new picture, plus it makes it easy to find posts)

I acually find some of the black sheeple on this forum are in fact more lost than some regular sheeple.
BTW You may want to get an avatar :wink2:

QueenOfLeon 12-11-2008 12:22 PM

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SHEEPLE is a GREAT word. I think it is necessary for the sheeple that dont listen and dont even try to. I have a friend who everytime I attempt to open her eyes, says "I dont want to know!" so I quipp with BAAA BAAA, and she is so closed she dont even get that.

Im actually frustrated with these people now.

I feel for those who are walking around feedind the consumerism and oblivious to all, but people who have access to this info, knows there are alternative views and sources and STILL choose to stick their heads in the sand....they deserve Sheeple.

efields 12-11-2008 01:29 PM

Re: The use of the word "sheeple"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor (Post 93504)
I think that people on here should stop using the word "sheeple" to describe those who they feel are uninformed.

It's insulting to those folks and it contradicts the idea of getting out the message to those people. If we look down on them and equate them with animals, do you really think that they're going to wake up and join our side?

Also, by labeling the masses as "sheeple", you are showing arrogance and your own insecurity.

If we want to help the masses, we need to stop acting like we're "high and mighty" and treat people like we would treat anyone else.

Well I think you should call a spade a spade, so to speak. When I look at the 'Collective' and gaze on the Sleeping Masses, well, SHEEPLE, seems almost too kind. With fully 80-90% 'Sleeping', 'Sheeple' should be used way more in our embarrassing conditions. The mass refuses to be jolted out of their sleep. They would rather act as, sheeple, and pursue their new Mercedes. I think the arrogance and insecurity is being shown by the Sheeple themselves, as its an active resistance to Reality, based on fear and ignorance and plain old laziness. Our space bothers must wait till the mass of sheeple will awaken, there by allowing them to freely interact with us. Sheeple keep us in the Dark Ages and support the Status Quo. I will not Support that, ever. They NEED to be 'called out' in ever increasing volumes till they become aware and start becoming part of the solution instead of, cause of the problem. If it walks and quacks like a Duck its probably a Duck. Calling it a Swan helps nothing and no one. In fact thats the problem, of our World, Dishonesty. Sheeple is how we have arrived at the Crisis that is before us now. Now we wait to see if the next ruler Obama is a SHEEPLE, or an awakened steel rod of Truth. Only time will tell. We will know them 'by their actions'. I do pray he is not the great deceiver.

777 The Great Work 12-11-2008 02:07 PM

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Are not these terms only a reference to a state of conciousness.Even ancient text say be aware of wolves in sheep clothing which is only a state of mind.No matter how much we know,we are still ignorant to some degree.

Gold is purified by going through the fire. Is that fire bad?One day we will go beyond the focus of the light bearer and focus only on the light, then we will go beyond words.

There is no good and bad, only degrees of the light.The heart weighed on the scale only needs to balance with the feather.

Sarahmay 12-11-2008 02:10 PM

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I agree the word "sheeple" is very insulting.

Sheeple are in the eye of the beholder--it is a derogatory word used to describe simply someone who doesn't believe what you do. Many conspiracists could be called "sheeple" too, in my opinion.

I prefer to be called heretic, if I don't agree with you.

Josefine 12-11-2008 02:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by munkey (Post 93546)
I BTW You may want to get an avatar :wink2:

Actually it is not all that difficult!

777 The Great Work 12-11-2008 02:18 PM

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Is that not the idea, that there is no you to agree with and only the message that effects the collective, many thoughts on one tree.

QueenOfLeon 12-11-2008 02:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarahmay (Post 93566)
I agree the word "sheeple" is very insulting.

Sheeple are in the eye of the beholder--it is a derogatory word used to describe simply someone who doesn't believe what you do. Many conspiracists could be called "sheeple" too, in my opinion.

I prefer to be called heretic, if I don't agree with you.

nice point. But its nothing to do with disagreeing, its to do with ignorance in the face of information.

Liek einstien said -" condemnation before investigation is the biggest form of ignorance"

dagon 12-11-2008 02:47 PM

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personally I don't get it. when I have used the term. I'm even including myself. even though I consider myself informed. If I was black. I might even call my self a nigea. its ok to say that when your talking to another. I see it all the time. but if a white guy said it. it might not go over so well. depends on the circumstance. I dont care for that. but I see where it comes from. and it makes a statement.



I share a life with a queensland healer. a cattle dog. he gos nuts when he sees sheep. he is a herder. this is what he is breed for. he's got a job to do. he doesn't really know what that job is. but somewhere inside he knows he needs to heard up the sheep. I don't see the term as derogatory.



I hear gay people calling themselves queer, fag, all kinds of stuff. what I think is one must not get so offended by speech. look at the symbolism. what should we call the sleeping. the walking dead. how about zombies. it doesnt matter what you say. I say get over it.. its just BAAAA--d way to think of the term sheep. its what we are. I find the symbolism pretty accurate. and not offensive. if you don't like it. don't use it. and when you read it. just pretend its another word that suits you. personally I think we should stop pointing the finger at people and saying stop.. sometimes it takes a powerful symbol or word to wake people. makes them think...
:thumbdown:

tell me.. what term should we all use.. this one seems to fit quite well.. sheep are also pretty. warm and fuzzy, I love wool. I can think of worse things to say.

I find the term heretic strange. does that imply were all nuts. LOL.

get over it.

Im not so sure I want you proof reading my postings. or censoring it as well. I find this talk as being more divisive u-mung us. than the term sheep.

burgundia 12-11-2008 02:49 PM

Re: The use of the word "sheeple"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor (Post 93504)
I think that people on here should stop using the word "sheeple" to describe those who they feel are uninformed.

It's insulting to those folks and it contradicts the idea of getting out the message to those people. If we look down on them and equate them with animals, do you really think that they're going to wake up and join our side?

Also, by labeling the masses as "sheeple", you are showing arrogance and your own insecurity.

If we want to help the masses, we need to stop acting like we're "high and mighty" and treat people like we would treat anyone else.

You are absolutely right. Some feel as if they were better because they know sth that others do not. a few months ago many of us were in the same position.

dagon 12-11-2008 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by burgundia (Post 93574)
a few months ago many of us were in the same position.

we still are. even the informed are in the dark. with bits of the information. that the individual finds worthy. still a sheep. just a different heard. flock, covey.

burgundia 12-11-2008 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dagon (Post 93576)
we still are. even the informed are in the dark. with bits of the information. that the individual finds worthy. still a sheep. just a different heard. flock, covey.

I agree.

Captain Obvious 12-11-2008 03:48 PM

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Guess 'there's no I in team' got something going for it. We need to. We should. We must. Conform to the group - join our side.

Hmm. Come to think of it, there's no I in sheeple neither, but there's an I in smiley.

Sol Invictus 12-11-2008 04:41 PM

Re: The use of the word "sheeple"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor (Post 93504)
I think that people on here should stop using the word "sheeple" to describe those who they feel are uninformed.

It's insulting to those folks and it contradicts the idea of getting out the message to those people. If we look down on them and equate them with animals, do you really think that they're going to wake up and join our side?

Also, by labeling the masses as "sheeple", you are showing arrogance and your own insecurity.

If we want to help the masses, we need to stop acting like we're "high and mighty" and treat people like we would treat anyone else.


hahahahahahahahahhaha:lmao: Oh thats a good one.

They are called sheeple because like a flock they will trample and run from anything that threatens their group 'well being'.

Where to start? 'they' act like a flock, they bleat like a flock, they respond like a flock and need a shepherd every step of their lives or else they panic like a flock. (No disrespect meant to the sheep though - its the humans that are a disgrace).

You won't ever help the masses, you will never get a message across to the masses because of the very nature of 'the masses'. They want group protection, they want, they crave group acceptance, and will trample any one who even dares try to 'help guide them or show them the way out of the pen'.

Two words.

DAVID + ICKE.

Group mind howled him down for decades. His very name was known through the masses and yet a handful alone started to read his works. I read them from the very beggining even though I worked inside the establishment.

I know what you will lose if you step from the pen, I know what will be the groups punishment if you dare upset the status qou... I stepped from the flock though, against the protests of many of my fellow 'thinkers'.
I'll call them sheeple until the very day they start acting as sentinent, seperate, individuals with their own opinions and own minds distinct from 'what the group thinks', start thinking about more than whats on television, more than what football scores are next week, and think further afield than their localised vicinity and start paying attention to the world they live in.

efields 12-11-2008 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sol Invictus (Post 93600)
hahahahahahahahahhaha:lmao: Oh thats a good one.

They are called sheeple because like a flock they will trample and run from anything that threatens their group 'well being'.

Where to start? 'they' act like a flock, they bleat like a flock, they respond like a flock and need a shepherd every step of their lives or else they panic like a flock. (No disrespect meant to the sheep though - its the humans that are a disgrace).

You won't ever help the masses, you will never get a message across to the masses because of the very nature of 'the masses'. They want group protection, they want, they crave group acceptance, and will trample any one who even dares try to 'help guide them or show them the way out of the pen'.

Two words.

DAVID + ICKE.

Group mind howled him down for decades. His very name was known through the masses and yet a handful alone started to read his works. I read them from the very beggining even though I worked inside the establishment.

I know what you will lose if you step from the pen, I know what will be the groups punishment if you dare upset the status qou... I stepped from the flock though, against the protests of many of my fellow 'thinkers'.
I'll call them sheeple until the very day they start acting as sentinent, seperate, individuals with their own opinions and own minds distinct from 'what the group thinks', start thinking about more than whats on television, more than what football scores are next week, and think further afield than their localised vicinity and start paying attention to the world they live in.

Thank you YES

Circlewerk 12-11-2008 07:48 PM

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Seems that not only the word "sheeple" divides.
The psychological desire to label, is where it starts.

Words, period, if used to explain why you agree or disagree, will enable division.
But the words aren't the dividers, the desire to be right, is.

Existing on this planet with others is what we're doing. We're having an experience.
We can get caught up in the psychology of polarizing, or not.
There came a time when I had to ask myself, "How free do you want to be?"
The freedom of awareness without labels, emotional polarizing, consequences or fear, feels good.
This is an experience.
When I label the experience or it's people as good or bad, it is only my vibration that changes. If I instead, appreciate the contrast, harmony exists.

How free do you want to be?

CW

Humble Janitor 12-12-2008 08:07 AM

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Good points made. I guess I'm too much of a dreamer for ever thinking that a large group of people can be awakened.

My bad. I guess I'll go back to sulking in the corner with a gun and food rations like many of the other posters on this forum. After all, negativity seems to be the only course for those.

isotelesis 12-12-2008 08:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor (Post 93862)
Good points made. I guess I'm too much of a dreamer for ever thinking that a large group of people can be awakened.

My bad. I guess I'll go back to sulking in the corner with a gun and food rations like many of the other posters on this forum. After all, negativity seems to be the only course for those.

You should read "White Nights" by Dostoyevsky, about how our dreams change us.

iamhearing 12-12-2008 09:14 AM

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I dont like the term Sheeple, why? Beacause alot of people that i love would be classified by this term and i dont like to label anyone.

If we want to WAKE people up I personally find it is best to lead by example not by force.

When you argue your opinion, what generally happens? People usaully become defensive and will close down, where as if you walk the talk people become curious and want to know.

just my humble opinion.

misfit 12-12-2008 11:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sol Invictus (Post 93600)
hahahahahahahahahhaha:lmao: Oh thats a good one.

They are called sheeple because like a flock they will trample and run from anything that threatens their group 'well being'.

Where to start? 'they' act like a flock, they bleat like a flock, they respond like a flock and need a shepherd every step of their lives or else they panic like a flock. (No disrespect meant to the sheep though - its the humans that are a disgrace).

You won't ever help the masses, you will never get a message across to the masses because of the very nature of 'the masses'. They want group protection, they want, they crave group acceptance, and will trample any one who even dares try to 'help guide them or show them the way out of the pen'.

Two words.

DAVID + ICKE.

Group mind howled him down for decades. His very name was known through the masses and yet a handful alone started to read his works. I read them from the very beggining even though I worked inside the establishment.

I know what you will lose if you step from the pen, I know what will be the groups punishment if you dare upset the status qou... I stepped from the flock though, against the protests of many of my fellow 'thinkers'.
I'll call them sheeple until the very day they start acting as sentinent, seperate, individuals with their own opinions and own minds distinct from 'what the group thinks', start thinking about more than whats on television, more than what football scores are next week, and think further afield than their localised vicinity and start paying attention to the world they live in.


ha ha totally agree Sol Invictus!
Its the simplest best way to describe a certain programmed majority , cuts through all the **** and is TRUE!

even some of the sheeple understand that!

Aww does that hurt???

Its funny how easy it is to offend with words .... hell, Ive been called worse by sheeple than most sheeples sensitive little ears could bear, but never have I said ban or dont use those words,,,or .. its discrimination help! im a victum,,,, ooooh!
I dont get offended that easily.
Awww poor sheeple , finally got the pointer on them ....

GOOD!

Ill will always use the term sheeple for the programmed majority people! :tongue2:

Seth Haniel 12-12-2008 11:41 AM

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Misfit

I can hear their objections all in unison.....



Baaaaaaaa

Josefine 12-12-2008 12:09 PM

Re: The use of the word "sheeple"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iamhearing (Post 93884)
I dont like the term Sheeple, why? Beacause alot of people that i love would be classified by this term and i dont like to label anyone.

If we want to WAKE people up I personally find it is best to lead by example not by force.

When you argue your opinion, what generally happens? People usaully become defensive and will close down, where as if you walk the talk people become curious and want to know.

just my humble opinion.

I agree. Morover, many of the socalled 'Awoken to the Truth' have contempt two ways: Of the PTB, those above, and the lowly sheep, those below.

As a poet said: 'If you will be nourished with silent contempt
of underlings and ruling kings - you have found cheap food and may jolly well eat until you die.'

If we view this world as a stage with all the actors in actors clothes, and realize that in the end the curtain falls, and we will be cheering for all that made the performance such a 'good show', even to the point of bringing tears of sadness, and fright of special props, for the realism it imbued.

Dean Plejaren 12-13-2008 09:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wikipedia
Sheeple

Quote:

Originally Posted by wikipedia
is a term of disparagement, a portmanteau created by combining the words "sheep" and "people ."It is often used to denote persons who voluntarily acquiesce to a perceived authority, or suggestion without sufficient research to fully understand the scope of the ramifications involved in that decision, and thus undermine their own human individuality or in other cases give up certain rights. The implication of sheeple is that as a collective, people believe whatever they are told, especially if told so by a perceived authority figure believed to be trustworthy, without processing it or doing adequate research to be sure that it is an accurate representation of the real world around them.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Urban Dictionary
People unable to think for themselves. Followers. Lemmings. Those with no cognitive abilities of their own.

It's definitely a useful word these days considering the culture of our society.

This is how I see it. If there was a lot of criminals around I wouldn't be complaining about people using the word 'criminal'. I would be focusing on solving the problem of crime. Same with the word sheeple. I don't think the main problem is the word sheeple itself.

If you want to eliminate words that could be interpreted as insulting you have to eliminate half of the dictionary.

Maybe what we really need is a more sophisticated use of communication such as telepathy. Which I believe can be fostered from empathy and love.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Urban Dictionary
A individual that forfits their right to choose in favor of inclusion in groupthink and what is viewed as popular or elete group. Allowing the influences of different forms of media and group members to hold great sway in the formation of attitudes, behavoir and opinion.
To accept the group mentaility and opinion as fact without examination.
Not only to be told what to do, but accepting the paradigm of thought as absolute thereby removing the weight of personal responsibility in the making of decisions.
In 2003 American President Bush states that the need to invade Iraq is imperative because it it was a supporter of islamic terrorism and developer of Weapons of Mass Destruction that would threaten the United States.

Although no evidence was given in support of such statements the american sheeple supported the war despite evidence to the contrary.


cantaloupe 12-13-2008 04:33 PM

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A apt descriptor in so many cases that can be used derisively, like so many others.
I love my friends and family, and most of them are sheeple not even making an effort to think independently. Sad but true.

Sol Invictus 12-13-2008 04:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iainl140285 (Post 93507)
I will absolutley second that my friend! :thumb_yello:
There was a time when a large percentage of people on this forum were part of the mis-guided masses and we ALL should remember that.
Peace
Iain

If a horse is born in a barn, raised in the barn and then herded into a sheep pen stood with billions of sheep, does it stop being a horse? no of course it doesn't. There lays the problem.

I was from when I can first remember astonished at how 'people' interacted. Astonished and appalled at their actions and how two /three/ ten faced they were to each other.

So i stood at the edge of the pen looking in, never feeling part of the masses but not knowing why. When i found out that i was a 'horse amongst sheep' I vaulted the pen and went to my pastures green.

From 11 onwards I beat my own path, and only pretended to feel 'part of the flock' until old enough and able enough to stand alone.


You can't lead me to water, let alone make me drink.

Provide me with my own map and compass and i'll be all OK cheers.


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