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Kerry Cassidy 12-06-2008 03:31 AM

JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot
 
5 December

• We are delighted to announce the release of our recent written interview with JAMES from WingMakers.com. For those of you who are unfamiliar with this website, I highly recommend it. WingMakers is a fabulous and profound science fiction story deeply anchored in truth - featuring over a thousand pages of the highest quality music, paintings and teachings.

This is a highly unusual move for James of WingMakers. In the past, the only other interview he has done was with his trusted webmaster, Mark Hempel. We are extremely excited to have been able to present this amazing set of answers - extending to over 20,000 words - to our penetrating questions on all aspects of the Great Game or Big Picture from James. There are few living today who in our estimation could approach his degree of clarity or vision into truth and the nature of what it means to be human.

In truth and with blessings,

Kerry

Emman 12-07-2008 12:35 AM

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Kerry,

Thank you for conducting this interview on James. I have to think that this may be your most profound interview on Camelot. Basically, what James is saying is that the matrix is far greater than anyone could have imagined. Even spirituality is not apart from the matrix. We have come to realize that religion has always been a key component of the control matrix, but now we must ponder whether our spiritual aspirations are simply part of a program within the walls of this matrix. Pretty mindblowing stuff. I realize that the world is not as it seems, but it is even more not as it seems. But, this is good. We are in this new era of dismantling the coverups and falsehoods that have kept humanity at bay for such a long time. I have thought that whatever we may uncover eventually will be beyond what we have thought of as real and truth. I'm sure there will be so much more that will rattle our comfort zones and shift the floor from beneath us. That's good though. As long as we break down the walls of the matrix and demolish this prison of ignorance and unfulfilled awareness, that is good. Thank you.

Gnosis5 12-07-2008 01:14 AM

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Great post, Emman, thank you.

Gnosis

Cerebro 12-07-2008 07:22 AM

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This interview was deep. I thought it was interesting how James talked about humanity's inherent nature to be greedy, selfish and destructive. That it's something that is passed on through each incarnation in the human family and continues to be our worse flaw. James' views really resonate with me in the sense that they're logical and they show that we can control our own destiny if we can free ourselves of the "HMS Matrix." Guys, let's get in touch with our sovereign integral and first source!

cway 12-07-2008 07:38 AM

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James Wingmakers Interview
http://rapidshare.com/users/21QBW0
Part 1-3
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay...45507661210652

I found this one and the ones on his website to be very interesting and enjoyable

cway 12-07-2008 07:41 AM

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This interview was a great achievement by project camelot

Frank Samuel 12-07-2008 07:51 AM

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Thank you Kerry for the interview with James, you dear Lady are a special soul indeed, long ago free from the shackles of the prison of the mind.
Your vision and inspiration to search for truth has brought you to places in the human psyche that few have dare to cross. My eternal gratitude to you .:wub2:

shanonatime 12-07-2008 11:44 PM

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kerry, i feel i know these people. it's strange.

like too strange.

you have no idea how much synchronicity has hit me in the face around this interview....

i think this film will be in production sooner than you think

Christina Sila 12-08-2008 12:34 AM

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Wow…. The Wingmakers Interview on the Sovereign Integral is quite a Human Mind bending proposition. This is the first I’ve heard or read of Wingmakers. Thank you for posting the interview, Kerry, and for starting another thread on this subject on a more positive note than the previous post.

In respect to the “God-Spirit-Soul Complex”, the Wingmakers explanation of the human condition challenges all that I have believed in. Far be it for me to say whether GSSC is truly mind programming or not until I personally test the recommended practice of breathing and remain open to what I may learn. I, for one in our collective, intend to explore the practice of Quantum Pause breathing patterns/techniques for myself before formulating any opinion. It will be interesting to see whether it opens a new awareness or state of consciousness. Here’s hoping. :thumb_yello:

linkes 12-08-2008 01:01 AM

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Well what can I say ?

There is no way you can ever be able to top this interview I think this is the most outstanding information I have ever come across and I am completely blown away.

It seems this changes the whole direction and work of Project Camelot its like James said “be prepared to jettison your beliefs”

Man o man well done this is fantastic work thank you thank you thank you.

I have looked on the wingmakers site a few times but just couldn’t integrate it nor understand it but from this interview it makes the site that much more easier to understand.

You have not only out done yourself but you have also helped establish the wingmakers material to a new level.

I was reading the material and had so many profound moments and so in awe about this work it rang so true to how I feel inside about things finally something that feels 100% right 100% me.

I would read the ra material and david wilcok and listen to interview on pc and red ice and all these things, I even tried channelling and they all felt like they missed something vital even the explanations of what karma is and polarity all felt like they missed something.

Well I don’t know what else to say but thank you for helping me find this.

Below are some quotes from the interview that really felt so right.

“Each of us is our own saviour”
“This even upon death, the Sovereign Integral is not released from the influence of the HMS”
“In polarity the human instrument is lost”
“Polarity is what activates and feeds the HMS”
“Your entire life is a series of moments or passages of time, and each passage you are accompanied by your infinite self that is seeking one thing on this earth: self realization of itself within the human instrument”
“It is realization not ascension”
“What happens to one happens to all”
“Forgiveness is the active formula to self assessment of your present situation and the application f the new behaviours that are in resonance with the Sovereign Integral.”
“All I can tell you is that for some of you, when you feel you have gone astray – uneasy in your every thought and feeling – you are the closest to being found”

Peace and Blessings
Linkes

Gnosis5 12-08-2008 01:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Christina Sila (Post 92113)
Wow…. The Wingmakers Interview on the Sovereign Integral is quite a Human Mind bending proposition. This is the first I’ve heard or read of Wingmakers. Thank you for posting the interview, Kerry, and for starting another thread on this subject on a more positive note than the previous post.

In respect to the “God-Spirit-Soul Complex”, the Wingmakers explanation of the human condition challenges all that I have believed in. Far be it for me to say whether GSSC is truly mind programming or not until I personally test the recommended practice of breathing and remain open to what I may learn. I, for one in our collective, intend to explore the practice of Quantum Pause breathing patterns/techniques for myself before formulating any opinion. It will be interesting to see whether it opens a new awareness or state of consciousness. Here’s hoping. :thumb_yello:

Christina, I'm starting to develop this practice too, and please post your progress on a separate "Quantum Breath" forum, thank you very much.

love,
gnosis

information 12-08-2008 01:13 AM

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Rings true. A companion reading to this supports James' information:

http://www.sabon.org/reptiloid/index3.html

Also, the very last part of the Bob Dean Project Camelot interview, where he
starts crying, he states we are a genetically engineered species not from
this world (my para-phrase):

http://www.projectcamelot.net/bob_dean.html

I like how he breaks down our 'condition' into definable, logical parts. His language is a little dense for the 'common man', it would be cool to have an artist like Chuck D of Public Enemy state the information in his own words, in order to 'get over' to a larger audience.

The graphics really help. Human Mind System, the religion system, the death-stress-something one, it's a larger form of mass-mind control, mass-consciousness control really. The breath techniques are all powerful counter-measures against these controls. I always come back to center, to right now, when I use them. Read more about countermeasures to mass-mind control here:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...s-mind+control

Recommend listening to everything you can from Daniel, a blessing to us for his sharing of what he knows;

[http://truthbrigade.org/smf/index.ph...c,1304.0.html]

His other interviews are archived on this website, check the link called 'calendar'
or do a search.

Love and thanks to all (KERRY!),

info

Gnosis5 12-08-2008 01:16 AM

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In particular, for me, the acknowledgement and naming out of the GSSC brought great relief for I know I am not alone in seeing this. Remember how Nemo felt before the Matrix was revealed to him and how he became more powerful as he started confronting it and he dug inside of himself. Okay, pardon me for strained metaphors :original:

Gnosis



Quote:

Originally Posted by linkes (Post 92121)
Well what can I say ?

There is no way you can ever be able to top this interview I think this is the most outstanding information I have ever come across and I am completely blown away.

It seems this changes the whole direction and work of Project Camelot its like James said “be prepared to jettison your beliefs”

Man o man well done this is fantastic work thank you thank you thank you.

I have looked on the wingmakers site a few times but just couldn’t integrate it nor understand it but from this interview it makes the site that much more easier to understand.

You have not only out done yourself but you have also helped establish the wingmakers material to a new level.

I was reading the material and had so many profound moments and so in awe about this work it rang so true to how I feel inside about things finally something that feels 100% right 100% me.

I would read the ra material and david wilcok and listen to interview on pc and red ice and all these things, I even tried channelling and they all felt like they missed something vital even the explanations of what karma is and polarity all felt like they missed something.

Well I don’t know what else to say but thank you for helping me find this.

Below are some quotes from the interview that really felt so right.

“Each of us is our own saviour”
“This even upon death, the Sovereign Integral is not released from the influence of the HMS”
“In polarity the human instrument is lost”
“Polarity is what activates and feeds the HMS”
“Your entire life is a series of moments or passages of time, and each passage you are accompanied by your infinite self that is seeking one thing on this earth: self realization of itself within the human instrument”
“It is realization not ascension”
“What happens to one happens to all”
“Forgiveness is the active formula to self assessment of your present situation and the application f the new behaviours that are in resonance with the Sovereign Integral.”
“All I can tell you is that for some of you, when you feel you have gone astray – uneasy in your every thought and feeling – you are the closest to being found”

Peace and Blessings
Linkes


cway 12-08-2008 10:18 PM

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The amount of this information that is coming in now or being revived is amazing.

ENdJOY 12-08-2008 11:50 PM

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I believe that it is a little more than co-incidence, that the Era of Transparency comes shortly after the Mayan 6Th Day began :winksmiley02:

Czymra 12-09-2008 12:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by linkes (Post 92121)
“Polarity is what activates and feeds the HMS”
“Your entire life is a series of moments or passages of time, and each passage you are accompanied by your infinite self that is seeking one thing on this earth: self realization of itself within the human instrument”

Linkes

Thank you for repeating these.
After I read this interview I thought to myself what the point would be. If it is all inside the HMS and the HMS is all 'fake', what would be the point to engage with it. And in fact "James" says that one has to look beyond it. But then don't I cancel out everything that makes life for humans valuable? What about the emotion that keeps us running most of the time? I see that all the negative spectrum is to slave me around but he puts it as if the positive, even though it supposedly heightens my frequency and activates more DNA, shouldn't be bought into either.

I can see purpose of manifesting the 'infinite self' but if the HMS is fake, why manifest on this 'plane' rather than escape completely, if that's at all possible?

Edward Alexander 12-09-2008 12:45 AM

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I found virtually everything that James said to be identical to my own experiences and discoveries, so to me there is no doubt about its being valid and real. In fact it was quite interesting to see someone else has come up with the same things as myself completely independently, as I'm teaching other people about the very same things myself.

A very important interview that people really should consider, reflect and meditate upon.

I suggest trying out the exercises mentioned as well.

Best wishes to all, may your inner guide be with you
-EA

linkes 12-09-2008 09:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Czymra (Post 92520)
I can see purpose of manifesting the 'infinite self' but if the HMS is fake, why manifest on this 'plane' rather than escape completely, if that's at all possible?

Hey Czymra

Well the way I saw it is the physical dimensions are still aspects of first source creation its the grid that is locked around the physical plain that dulls out our multidimensional selves and restricts us to only our emotional physical and mental selves which in truth are not even us but more or less a computer program which our consciousness has been locked into.

We’ve been cheated our experience on this level of creation has been manipulated and we have been cheated out of an experience and trapped in what I have found personally to be not acceptable.

I have read material where they said its with the negative that we find our true selves this concept just never sat well with me, the whole polarity thing just never sat well with me, so when I read James description it answered a lot of questions I had around these concepts and it just felt more in line with what I feel to be my truth.

I am also an avid reader of the Ra Material and have studied many of ll researchs channels I have been to channellings myself and even then I just felt like something was missing. Like I tried to get into all the Alice Bailey stuff but couldn’t even bring myself to read I felt put off by it.

Even when I started the whole research of all the conspiracy theories it just feel like the reasoning isn’t totally there but with this interview there is reasoning, there is a truth it just feels right.

2012 may come and go, Floods may come and go, Illiminati may come and go, earth quakes may come and go, BUT what truly matters above all this is the fact that you are conscious, that you are you, you are Source. It is in this knowledge, that we will always have the last Laugh.
Lets all Go forward from this interview and just be AWARE, CONSCIOUS of who you truly are.

Peace and blessings
Linkes

Gnosis5 12-09-2008 10:30 AM

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My understanding is that one would have to merge the polarities between the "player" (spirit) and the "playing field" (physical) before one can "escape". Or, that is the only escape you would really wish to experience, any other only digging you in deeper.

Czymra 12-09-2008 11:25 AM

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I can see what you mean but speaking/thinking/feeling about it is not going to help it.
So what do I do with the rest of my life when I'm just supposed to sit there and practice the quantum pause. I still need food huh?

milk and honey 12-09-2008 01:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Christina Sila (Post 92113)
In respect to the “God-Spirit-Soul Complex”, the Wingmakers explanation of the human condition challenges all that I have believed in. Far be it for me to say whether GSSC is truly mind programming or not until I personally test the recommended practice of breathing and remain open to what I may learn. I, for one in our collective, intend to explore the practice of Quantum Pause breathing patterns/techniques for myself before formulating any opinion. It will be interesting to see whether it opens a new awareness or state of consciousness. Here’s hoping. :thumb_yello:

Hi Christina,

Your reasoning here may be a bit wobbly for a couple reasons. I wouldn't be too quick to draw a cause - effect relationship between the validity of "GSSC = HMS" and the utility of "Quantum pause'".

First... If you do prove the utility of the breathing technique - "Quantum Pause" - it won't necessarily invalidate the truth found in concepts of God / Spirit / Soul.

Second... The so called "Quantum Pause" is an exact replica of an ancient breathing technique which the 1920s yogic group the "Self-Realisation Fellowship" called "SRF breathing exercises" and which a 1970's text called the "sacred fire breath". So, if your soul awakens to the gentle breeze of spirit give gratitude to God the Source. James didn't invent it.

Czymra 12-09-2008 01:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by milk and honey (Post 92680)
Second... The so called "Quantum Pause" is an exact replica of an ancient breathing technique which the 1920s yogic group the "Self-Realisation Fellowship" called "SRF breathing exercises" and which a 1970's text called the "sacred fire breath". So, if your soul awakens to the gentle breeze of spirit give gratitude to God the Source. James didn't invent it.

That's interesting. Why do you think that this breathing technique is being suggested? Why would it be different?

milk and honey 12-09-2008 03:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Czymra (Post 92686)
That's interesting. Why do you think that this breathing technique is being suggested? Why would it be different?

To be clear, i'm saying the breathing technique is no different and that it is not new.

There's several reasons why the technique is being suggested. One is that no technique alone is guaranteed to enlighten or free any soul who is wed to the mass consciousness through inordinate desire and monkey mindedness.. There is a lot to learn and a lot to see through on the path of awakening so no technique of itself is the answer to the human condition. Even valid techniques like the "sacred fire breath" in question is no panacea although some people will make the most of it perhaps because of their soul sensitivity developed in past lives due to honest self examination and genuine charity. Some may for the first time open the windows of the soul to the sunlight of spirit while using this technique. Most probably won't however although in oxygen there is prana which sedentary folk do no get enough of. Others will get light headed from the lack of oxygen and think they're now enlightened.

Our inner work is not only to see and root out (of the ego) all the anti-theses of the virtues of the real- Self, but the imposters too. Both are present and must be seen through. Most people are self decieved because that inner imposter masquarades as the real-Self. It is a part of them yet they are blind to it and consequently blind to the real - Self. That sense of self-aggrandisement blinds some people to the Grand ego of others which they are drawn to as a magnet. Consequently, they choose their teachers unwisely because of their own spiritual blindness.

So, breathing and other techniques can safely be given (by false teachers and very often have been) because a technique is only as good as the person using it. So in most cases, but not all, the technique will be of little benefit, it being just one of many elements which a soul needs for self-realisation. Even the false teachers are happy for you to have techniques which the real adepts discovered and released centuries ago because by association they come up smelling roses. "Such charity ... he simply must be my friend." In James' case he'd probably rather you didn't know where he got this breathing technique because it would beg the obvious question:

"What other concepts and techniques are valid from the same source?" And which of them has James already arrogantly dismissed?"

Czymra 12-09-2008 03:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by milk and honey (Post 92730)
"What other concepts and techniques are valid from the same source?" And which of them has James already arrogantly dismissed?"

Thanks for that. I do have an odd feeling about quite some of the stuff being said. The emotional and intellectual involvement of the interviewee's of Project Camelot range from "cool American" to "righteous human defender" (no offence meant to anyone, apologies) and even though they are talking about complex and only party unveiled topics, it seems obvious that they struggle with their own demons and ignorance.
I do think that James' interview here strips many of the ideas that others so willingly bought into, I do agree with the notion of 'saving ourselves' and many other concepts that dismiss dogmas of any kind. However, I am still left wondering what's left and how this actually ties in with the life I'm leading for obviously if I can't even escape in death, what's the point? And when living, am I to act and stand thoughtless and emotionless at all times or is this just a state to 'ground' me again?

efields 12-09-2008 04:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Czymra (Post 92734)
Thanks for that. I do have an odd feeling about quite some of the stuff being said. The emotional and intellectual involvement of the interviewee's of Project Camelot range from "cool American" to "righteous human defender" (no offence meant to anyone, apologies) and even though they are talking about complex and only party unveiled topics, it seems obvious that they struggle with their own demons and ignorance.
I do think that James' interview here strips many of the ideas that others so willingly bought into, I do agree with the notion of 'saving ourselves' and many other concepts that dismiss dogmas of any kind. However, I am still left wondering what's left and how this actually ties in with the life I'm leading for obviously if I can't even escape in death, what's the point? And when living, am I to act and stand thoughtless and emotionless at all times or is this just a state to 'ground' me again?


I'd just say that alignment and sincerity along with awareness of the Truth of illusion is all thats necessary in your stillness. Indeed the technique is not new. Its the realization of the lack of levels between you and the oneness, and the need to be wary of including the false profits and imaginary levels stipulated by those 'profits' trapped in the HMS, that are plentiful on this Orb that must be realized, as false, and given no reality in your
thoughts. There is really just You and the Oneness. Really just the Oneness, of which you are a part. Not apart. One with. It's a refreshing perspective as it cuts out all the Junk. You are The Creation and The Creation is you. Simple, Elegant, and Complete.

It's as if we on this Orb, in totality, are really all just 'One cell' In a Organ seen as the 'Universe' which is part of Infinity, which is the Body of which we exist in. Vast is The Creation, all that is.

idunno 12-09-2008 04:13 PM

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mayim mayim mayim

Ja mes Mahi Nahi
is it french... 4.... MingDina-st-y?
hmm...

St-k-y ????????????

Phin = a Phi + b
1·61803 39887 49894 84820 45868 34365 63811 77203 09179 80576 ..More..

Multiples of Phi
We've just seen that we can use multiples of Phi to calculate its powers easily and you might think that there's not much else we can discover about multiples of Phi.
Here we show another relationship and also explain how the Rabbits family Tree diagram was made, originally seen in the Fibonacci and Nature. It's all to do with the multiples of Phi, or, rather, the fractional parts of the multiples.

idunno 12-09-2008 04:17 PM

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Powers of Phi
We return to the definition of Phi, as the positive valued solution to
P(P-1)=1
P here is either of 2 values, Phi and 1-Phi.
So P has the property that P2=P+1.
Let's look at Phi2 first.
Phi squared
We can read the equation above as to find P2, just add 1 to P.
Things to do
-Use your calculator to evaluate Phi=(1+5)/2. If you have a Memory on your calculator, store this value in it.
-Square it and check that it is just Phi+1 (i.e. subtract one and compare with the Memory value).
-Use your calculator to evaluate the other value (1-Phi) or (1-Memory) = (1-5)/2
-Again square the value just found and check that it is just the same as adding 1 to the value you squared.
Now let's look at Phi3.
Phi cubed
Is there another way to calculate Phi3 apart from just Phi x Phi x Phi?
Yes - let's see how to compute it in two more ways. We use the basic P(P-1)=1 formula or, in another form, P2=P+1.
P3 is just P.P2 = P(P+1) by our "basic formula", which expands to P2+P

...now that's interesting!... 1 + P = P2 AND P + P2 = P3 ...hmmm! Is there anything in this do you think?
Question: How could this be generalized? We'll use this result in the next sub-section about a Phi-bonacci Brick... but, for now, let's get back to the original equation...
and P2 + P = (P+1) + P after using the "basic formula" again and this is just 2P + 1. So
Phi3 = 1 + 2 Phi
Notice that this needs just one multiplication rather than two if we evaluated Phi x Phi x Phi. That's the first quick way.
The second answer was spotted by Scott Beach but it is also in the table at the foot of this page: since Phi=(√5+1)/2 then 2Phi is √5+1 and 1+ 2 Phi = &radic 5 + 2:

Phi3 = 2 + √5
Interesting Facts about a Phi-bonacci Brick
http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal...i/phiBrick.gif
[This variation was suggested by Hud Nordin of Sunnyvale, California.]
If we have a brick with sides of lengths 1, Phi=1·61803... and phi=1/Phi=0·61803... then:-
the longest side is the sum of the other two lengths since 1 + phi = Phi
the largest face (area C=1 x Phi) is the sum of the other two face's areas (area A =1 x phi and area B=phi x Phi) since
Area A + Area B
= 1 x phi + phi x Phi
= phi + 1
= Phi
= Area C
The next three interesting facts and figures on the Phibonacci brick were first pointed out by Donald Seitz in The Mathematics Teacher, 1986, pages 340-341 in an article entitled A Geometric Figure Relating the Golden Ratio to Pi.
What is the surface area S of the brick?
Above we saw that the sum of the 2 smaller face's areas equals the largest face's area, and that this is Phi.
Since there are 2 faces with smallest area, 2 of middle-sized area (which total 2 times the largest face area, that is 2 Phi) and we also have two other faces of the largest area (Phi) , then:
The surface area of the brick is 4 Phi
How long is the diagonal across the brick?
http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal...cci/xyRect.gifAnother surprise awaits us when we calculate the length of the diagonal across the brick.
The formula is a 3-dimensional analogue of Pythagoras Theorem.
For a rectangle of sides x and y, its diagonal is (x2 + y2).
For a 3-D brick with sides x,y and z, its diagonal has length (x2 + y2 + z2).
So how long is the diagonal of our Phi-bonacci brick? Since its sides (x,y and z) are 1, Phi and phi, the length of its diagonal is: (12 + Phi2 + phi2). I'll leave you to check the algebra but the surprisingly simple answer is

The diagonal of the brick has length 2
A relationship between Phi and Pi
just a
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TruthSeeker7
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...ge454148/pg296
Quote:


TruthSeeker7
User ID: 384266
3/3/2008 2:07 AM Re: 17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet' is back in the night skies!
QUOTE

A great sign from the heavens is due. No doubt about it. One final last great sign.


57th TONY AWARDS MAN OF LA MANCHA
[link to youtube.com]


And who knows for sure. Maybe "comet" Holmes is not done.

the above video is about a dream i had and the sign from the heavens.[/
QUOTE]
Quoting: * <----star of destiny




Thank you for that

A song for the hero in all of us.

It takes great courage just to live in this day and age.


:welcomeani:a nu n
all is repeated
^n-time ...now
mobius-book.....http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/Picko...over-final.jpg
We Have Died and Gone to Mobius ...http://http://sprott.physics.wisc.ed...r/josleys2.jpg
or is it from REaM to bbiooas?

Czymra 12-09-2008 04:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by efields (Post 92738)
I'd just say that alignment and sincerity along with awareness of the Truth of illusion is all thats necessary in your stillness. Indeed the technique is not new. Its the realization of the lack of levels between you and the oneness, and the need to be wary of including the false profits and imaginary levels stipulated by those 'profits' trapped in the HMS, that are plentiful on this Orb that must be realized, as false, and given no reality in your
thoughts. There is really just You and the Oneness. Really just the Oneness, of which you are a part. Not apart. One with. It's a refreshing perspective as it cuts out all the Junk. You are The Creation and The Creation is you. Simple, Elegant, and Complete.

It's as if we on this Orb, in totality, are really all just 'One cell' In a Organ seen as the 'Universe' which is part of Infinity, which is the Body of which we exist in. Vast is The Creation, all that is.

That's nothing new to me either in fact, maybe that's why I'm confused. It's basically Zen isn't it? (No I don't mean the 'style'.)

milk and honey 12-09-2008 05:32 PM

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I do agree with the notion of 'saving ourselves' and many other concepts that dismiss dogmas of any kind. However, I am still left wondering what's left and how this actually ties in with the life I'm leading for obviously if I can't even escape in death, what's the point? And when living, am I to act and stand thoughtless and emotionless at all times or is this just a state to 'ground' me again?

I agree too with the notion of 'saving ourselves'. Salvation = self-elevation.

That was the true message of Jesus, Guatama and many others before and since. It's the very minimum which the false teachers need to parrot in order to have any apparant credibiliy even when they're promising UFO landings and whatnot as external salvation too.

We can escape the lower-ego in death if we escape it in life. It is assumed that the nirvanic state (the soul at-One with the I AM) is soley a passive state of 'knowing' or 'nothingness'. It's also been said that it's a state of non-identity and non activity. These definitions are unbalanced and make it easy to miss something in the translation.

When one finds the centre of being - personal spiritual Selfhood - the ego is no longer active with IT's feelings and IT's thoughts. IT's identity is 'no more' which allows the unobstructed expression of the true Self through the mind and emotions. See the difference? Doesn't mean the christ-consciousness is inactive. The lower-ego (the negative aspects of the psyche) has been inactivated.

On the path to the center, as we get nearer the flame of true being, the subtle emotional and mental bodies are progressively purged of the gross egoistic urges which keep the soul disturbed and ignorant of the higher- Self. In the process, the vibrations of the lower-ego (fear, hatred etc) are transmuted into light and thereby removed as an obstacle to the realisation and expression of true being.

Gnosis5 12-09-2008 05:32 PM

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Pardon me, but who told you to spend all day doing the quantum breath? Have you done any sort of spiritual processes in the past?

best,
gnosis




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I can see what you mean but speaking/thinking/feeling about it is not going to help it.
So what do I do with the rest of my life when I'm just supposed to sit there and practice the quantum pause. I still need food huh?


Gnosis5 12-09-2008 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Czymra View Post
I do agree with the notion of 'saving ourselves' and many other concepts that dismiss dogmas of any kind. However, I am still left wondering what's left and how this actually ties in with the life I'm leading for obviously if I can't even escape in death, what's the point? And when living, am I to act and stand thoughtless and emotionless at all times or is this just a state to 'ground' me again?


Czymra, I think that is the best question. When you stand looking at a rollercoaster ride for the first time you can only wonder what it might be like to actually experience it. Then you decide if you wish to pay for that experience. Point, you have to experience it to answer your questions.

Because of the experiences I am paying for (my past life sessions) I know I will not be in any astral or etheric trap, at least not to the extent that I would have been. So, when I drop my body, death will not sting in the astral. In the worst case scenario, I will have to go and find a good family and be born again and continue with my chosen spiritual path. So what if it takes a couple of lifetimes?!?

Stillness of mind makes one more active and more in the now. Thinking and mind chatter slows one down. When I had my still experience I was bounding up the stairs and moving very very fast -- because I was looking in the now and not thinking about it. One can make good judgements just by looking in the now. The mind can keep us in the past or fixated on the future.

As for emotions, one has a richer range and overlay of emotions when they disengage the preset emotions that the mind can handle. Try it, you might enjoy it :original:

That is my experience. I arranged to have this experience and if you really want the answer to your questions then work on having the experience. I would love to read your posts about that.

Myself and a friend experienced this stillness and my friend described it as a tiger ready to pounce and I described it as an avenging angel. The mind is an interactive navigational problem solving tool, but it is a poor copy of an aspect of yourself.

If you don't like the interruption of mind chatter, you can always bring it back :-)

My experience did not last more than 3 days because I did not first fully address the unconscious junk that holds it there in the first place. Thus, no more shortcuts for me and I am trudging through my past life sessions.

STILLNESS OF MIND IS AWESOME!!! :lightsabre:

Czymra 12-09-2008 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Gnosis5 (Post 92790)
Pardon me, but who told you to spend all day doing the quantum breath? Have you done any sort of spiritual processes in the past?

best,
gnosis

Nobody did, but it is made rather clear that what is being talked about is NOT spirituality, so why would I approach it in the same manner?
By the way, I probably haven't been very 'spiritual' in the sense of sitting there and meditating for hours.

Czymra 12-09-2008 06:06 PM

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Stillness of mind makes one more active and more in the now. Thinking and mind chatter slows one down. When I had my still experience I was bounding up the stairs and moving very very fast -- because I was looking in the now and not thinking about it. One can make good judgements just by looking in the now. The mind can keep us in the past or fixated on the future.

As for emotions, one has a richer range and overlay of emotions when they disengage the preset emotions that the mind can handle. Try it, you might enjoy it

That makes a lot of sense to me. Thank you for that. I suppose that constant rant against the mind and emotions (that are programmed) made me believe that there are not to be any emotions etc. at all.
But there are two more questions then:
1. Living in the now is great, but how do you make plans in that state? For personal experiences I don't need to make plans but when working on a project I keep on being told it's crucial. And in fact when I don't have plans I might discover fantastic things but I don't end up with anything 'complete'.
2. I have great respect for the idea of 'not feeling' as well. Since you draw your light sabre I might liken it to the idea of Luke Skywalker giving himself away by feeling for his friends and family. He too is supposed to fight without anger or love. Now don't think I'm basing all this on some weird film but I have experienced that 'emotionlessness' just works in a martial arts context, but doesn't it take all the fun out of being?

Sorry if I turn in circles but I really appreciate any input and hope that others can gain from this, as well.

Czymra 12-09-2008 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by milk and honey (Post 92789)
When one finds the centre of being - personal spiritual Selfhood - the ego is no longer active with IT's feelings and IT's thoughts. IT's identity is 'no more' which allows the unobstructed expression of the true Self through the mind and emotions. See the difference? Doesn't mean the christ-consciousness is inactive. The lower-ego (the negative aspects of the psyche) has been inactivated.

Firstly, sorry for triple posting here.

Milk and Honey, I understand and this does make a difference. It does sound like some scary entity is taking possession of me however and the 'I' (whatever that is, and whatever right it has of being) would be purged and lost. Maybe I'm afraid of losing that along with all my relations?

Thanks for the input, and again sorry for posting so many answer. I'll wait longer next time to combine them.

Gnosis5 12-09-2008 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Czymra (Post 92804)
That makes a lot of sense to me. Thank you for that. I suppose that constant rant against the mind and emotions (that are programmed) made me believe that there are not to be any emotions etc. at all.

I understand :original:


But there are two more questions then:
1. Living in the now is great, but how do you make plans in that state? For personal experiences I don't need to make plans but when working on a project I keep on being told it's crucial. And in fact when I don't have plans I might discover fantastic things but I don't end up with anything 'complete'.

Good question, but I suspect that "planning" might be a way of working through the mind. We are on terra incognita here Isn't it wonderful?! :original:



2. I have great respect for the idea of 'not feeling' as well. Since you draw your light sabre I might liken it to the idea of Luke Skywalker giving himself away by feeling for his friends and family. He too is supposed to fight without anger or love. Now don't think I'm basing all this on some weird film but I have experienced that 'emotionlessness' just works in a martial arts context, but doesn't it take all the fun out of being?

Oh, god, no! In my past life sessions when I go back to before any physical universes (and physical minds) I find that my emotions are much more interesting, richer. The mind needs to be stilled in order to experience a full range of expression and emotions. Polarities need to be unlocked to experience a full range of expression, which is your native gift. I am told that a good Zen Koan will do it. Your mind might be a nifty little gadget that needs some upgrades, but it's not the full you :wall:

Sorry if I turn in circles but I really appreciate any input and hope that others can gain from this, as well.

best,
gnosis

heroskiss 12-09-2008 06:46 PM

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Has anyone studied the Course in Miracles and seen the work of James being a more in depth explanation. For me, studying the Course has made me think about the world differently. The Course says, "Do not try and change the world but rather change the way you think about the world".
Studying James material or the Course, one would certainly tend to think about life differently.

The Course also says,
Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.
Herein lies the peace of God.

That would mean religion, spirituality, 3d dimension to 7th dimension or anything else in between doesn't truly exist. If it dies, it doesn't exist. Only what is eternal is real.

If you like James' material, which I do, I think some of you might find the Course in Miracles at the very least.....interesting.

I'm not trying to sell anything here....I find myself looking at it all. Seeing all the paths and finding the commonalities within them. love it!

Thank you to Kerry and Bill and to all of us out their making a difference in the "illusion".

Claudia

Gnosis5 12-09-2008 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Czymra (Post 92798)
Nobody did, but it is made rather clear that what is being talked about is NOT spirituality, so why would I approach it in the same manner?
By the way, I probably haven't been very 'spiritual' in the sense of sitting there and meditating for hours.

Okay, thanks for answering. I see that there is the misconception about what it means to be "spiritual". I'm using myself as an example because I am not as advanced as some of the beings on this forum, so maybe I've done a little more work than yourself but I'm not out of your league :original:

What I see is happening with me as I continue in my sessions is that I am becoming more balanced, have a fuller range of expression and thus can deal with life better. For example, mother just died and I was not in tears and guilt as my brother was. My responses to my Hubby are less fixed, less knee jerk and we do not push each other's buttons the way married couples are wont to :lmao: I don't kick the dog either :original: There are more channels that I can tune into mentally. It's a slow but sure piecing back together of my sovereign integral or my original self, removing the ties that bind.

I'm most decidely not perfect, but I can feel it coming :lightsabre:

milk and honey 12-09-2008 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Czymra (Post 92806)
Firstly, sorry for triple posting here.

Milk and Honey, I understand and this does make a difference. It does sound like some scary entity is taking possession of me however and the 'I' (whatever that is, and whatever right it has of being) would be purged and lost. Maybe I'm afraid of losing that along with all my relations?

It's a gradual process. Only the negative aspects of the psyche are changed by the transformer of spiritual Identity. As you surrender those aspects of the lower-self, the higher-Self displaces or replaces them. So there's a sense of continuity and growth. You change for the best.

The idea that you lose the personal self is untrue. You simply re-discover your real Self as the negative 'skins' of the darker aspects of the ego are shed. During this process your soul in the material plane gradually rises in vibration as your spiritual-Self in the spiritual plane descends into matter to embrace it. The soul is awakening to it's origin. Isn't that beautiful? The more you see the inner raiment of the Spiritual- Self the easier it is to identify and surrender the tattered garments of the lower-ego. In that union of both aspects of being is ecstatic joy, soul liberty and ascension.

Czymra 12-09-2008 07:29 PM

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Thanks for all those answers Gnosis and Milk and Honey.

Gnosis5 12-09-2008 07:48 PM

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You're most welcome :original: I like Milk 'n Honey's poetic descriptions.

love,
gnosis


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