Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

Judging from some posts...there is. There individuals here who seem to be filled with so much anger and hate, calling others names, telling lies.Nobody forces them to be here but they still are bitching around, criticizing everything. edgar Cayce said that at the end times there would be a war between the children of The Law of One and the sons of Baal. Are we having a sample of it here?

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

I can see the truth of what you are saying -- however.
Spiritual war is not possible.
You can make war on people who are endevouring to be spiritual but war is an imposability between two truly spiritual people or groups or whatever as the main principals are love and forgivness

Spiritual truth does not need to be justified or defended it just is -- absolute.

Why worry what others do, its not about them?
Its about what iis held in the individual heart.

Children rapidly discover they get more attention from being naughty than from being good so if they want attention, and they do, they are awkward, they shout, they scream, they stamp their feet.
If ignored when they are acting up they give up.
Give the same anger back and you are feeding that anger within them.
Then who is the child?
smiling.
All is well.
Chris

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

Those who would want a spiritual war have only one tool available to them. Deception.

All they can do is trick people into fighting. And they are good at that.

As Chris says, the simple solution is to skip it on participation.

What can they do then?

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

Yes.
In a way...and it's been said before...this forum is a microcosm of the 'real' world. What we are seeing here is a 'miniature' representation of world politics and opinions.

As far as "war"...hmmmm... I don't think so. (my opinion)

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

The true war is the one within, often we defeat ourselves and give in to the darkest parts of ourselves negativity feeds negativity. Is easy to become stagnant in our internal growth process and is easier to relate to this part of ourselves than it is to recognize the inner beauty in others. The beauty of a child exist within all of us. It is a shame how eager we are to grow up, it is in this growth process that we get lost and forget our true self. The inner child is always there wether we choose to see it or not. This inner child has no malice no hate, no righteous anger. The child within reponds to love and feeds and grows on love. The lack of this vital element in our lives makes us ill and awfully misguided, becoming empty , judgemental,fearful, manipulative, hateful and all the rest, is hard to let go of this part of ourselves for fear of getting hurt by others. The tug of war of the Avalon forum is a mirror of the reflection of our inner self.The cross roads of our internal growth process,
there's a road sign that points to the inner child within , just keep going we will all eventually get there sooner or later, keep going and don't worry .:wub2::thumb_yello:

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

Yes, there is.

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

Thank you Bill for you statement. Have been lurking around in this forum for a while, and seen a lot of anger and bad attitude. Long time ago I discovered project camelot and have seen all interwies and are very glad the to of you do this work. In this forum there have been a lot of stange things going on that is difficult to understand for me sitting in Norway. I do not understand if it is just young blokes seeking a thrill in bad attitude in the forum or a real spiritual war going on! :lightsabre:

It would be nice if you could explain what the spiritual war is about? Who are the participants(of cource not by names) in this spiritual war as you see it, and what are their agenda.

Keep up the good work! :thumb_yello:

Hugs from Guri in Norway :original:

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Thanks, Bill.

I guess in some ways it's to be expected - the light tends to attract darkness, which either wants the light for itself, or wants to extinguish the light. It's been an exercise in discernment, and in many ways a gift. :original:

alys

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Bill is correct.

I feel ultimately sad for the previous months when members would taunt others' posts by replying critically & starting back & forth fussing retaliating negatively. Therefore; creating a back and forth confrontation of horrible 'vibes'. It would pain me to see how quickly those nasty replies would pierce the heart of the OP, etc. Goes to show that many still have a long way to go to be able to 'turn the other cheek' so to speak.

It's time to step back and breathe deeply; not try to 'prove' anything...just share our knowledge with one another; to help one another. If one has a point to be made (negatively) use the PM to the poster NOT put it on the boards. Save the boards for uplifting, not for tearing down. Don't put the dirty laundry out for everyone to see...I'm sure that would make the Mods' job a little easier.

Peace to you and yours.

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

Spiritual wars on message boards... I am doing my best to see logic in that. Perhaps thru words. Yet perception and possession is nine tenth's of the law. So it would be very difficult to actually change one's way of thought thru a two dimensional communicative device. Not to mention resurrecting the the instinct of translation as well. Nah its only a spiritual war if you wish to label this hysteria, evolution. It appears more of a battle of Ego's as usual. None of our God's would have anything to do with this. By the way... :original: I at least value my life a lil higher to say the least..

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I so want to agree with Greybeard, that in the Oneness there can be no war.
However, Avalon is a salutary reminder for me of how deeply entrenched beliefs divide people here as in the 3D world. The Avalon experience has made me less woolly and more discerning (I hope) and maybe harder edged (regretably).
Yes the forces of involution and the forces of evolution are slogging it out here as in 3D. I will not use the traditional labels evil/good, darkness/light for the opposing forces but both are represented in various shades on Avalon.
My intention is to align to the evolution of the human spirit, to build community (thanks and respect to the Scottish Ground Crew) and to deal with the forces of involution with clarity and compassion. I want to pretend they don't exist, but they do. They are here, and direct opposition strengthens them as much as ignoring them does.
love to all

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

there is no war. you will have a war only if you want to have one on purpose.

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

a spiritual war? perhaps a war of logic ...

on our path of seeking answers our minds try to make logic of all we receive, what i am experiencing on avalon as a newcomer is an extension of what has always been in 3d ... minds believing their logic is better than, more than, greater than, more absolute than others ...

is it really? how can we be so sure ...
we should be asking ourselves this, not expecting our answer from our minds for if we are still thinking in 3d our answer will continue to be the same ...

from the heart, truth is truth, no need to believe what we know is more or less than another's ... it just is

all truth is a tile in the mosaic of life, every tile is significant, every tile is needed now ...

no tile is larger or smaller than another, every tile is individual for what it is and every tile is equal, collectively our truth is the same

contribution of all knowledge here on avalon is very significant ... don't believe one is more concrete, more absolute or more true than another ... thinking this way we move backwards, not forward ...

thinking that way causes wars ...

is this a site of war or is it a site of collective knowledge moving us forward ... :original:

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

Even a forum can develop its own morphic field. Taken to the extreme an entity or entities can also rule the morphic field. Been reading any Rupert Sheldrake lately?

In the end we all face our death and a possible life review. The only person we can hurt by our thoughts, truthfully, is our spiritual selves.

Namaste,
Gnosis

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

How true. After eons of lifetimes I finally let go of a war I had created with a couple of beings. You should see the change in them -- all for the better. We all know now there is no more revenge to be gotten. Game over.

Why didn't I do this eons ago?

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

Why not by names, This forum and the whole project here, I thought, was to put darkness into light

By the way, I did not notice a war here, but I don't read very much.

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I see what you mean. I would just add....

War has been declared against every soul on earth. The false hierarchy works in countless ways to prevent each soul from finding the presence and inspiration of inner-spirit.

They do this by appealing to the lower-ego of every person, group and nation. They have found success in this old war because most people are blind to the 'enemy within' (which is mainly subconscious and ) which is warring against the spirit for the soul's attention.

The focus of a soul's attention will determine where it's spiritual energy flows. It will attune to the Arc of spirit or it will reinforce the ego. Spiritual attunement is not just a positive mentality but is a deeper attunement of soul that enlightens it to spiritual 'being'.

When inner-attunement is made it guides us to fulfill our personal spiritual path. That inner realisation makes it possible to identify the forces of 'anti-being' (within and without) which have blinded the soul and which must be identified if they're to be transcended.

'Seeing' is seeing everything as it is. "Without vision the people perish"

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Sure there is a spiritual war going on here. Everything IS "spiritual" or spirit. When one vibrational frequency of spirit conflicts with another, you have a "war" or conflict.

There are different degrees of conflict. Some are a lot more malicious than others and have active malevolent intentions. Some are merely chaotic and ignorant while others are enjoying the stimulus of debate and attempting to reach some kind of understanding and/or agreement.

The Internet is a very powerful tool. Just like any other tool it can be used for positive or negative, but it IS influential. These are not merely words on a computer screen. They carry tremendous energies. One can even develop their extra sensory perceptions through communications on the Internet. It is a tool of focus, somewhat similar to tools like crystals, tarot, oija boards, pendulums, meditation, prayer etc. The results you get depend upon several factors, including but not limited to: Your intentions, your level of awareness and discernment, your ability to shield or ignore energies you consider to be counter-productive, the strength of your ego and the power of your will.

Many who are content in their knowledge and wisdom will not attempt to argue with others and do not care to share their knowledge often. They may know that each of us must find our own truths in order for that knowledge to have real meaning. You can only "follow" or seek for so long until you realize that there is no one to follow and nothing to search for.

In the meantime, here on the earthplane we all like to have fun in our own ways. So we are having fun on this forum. The battle goes on and will truly never end until and unless each of us, individually, reaches a place of oneness.

Nancy

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

Wow.

Yes, there is, is my reply also.

Bill, I hope everything's okay.

And many thanks for all the work you've done by the way.
You are a brave.

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

WAR! I wouldn't call it a war, perhaps a misunderstanding.
I have found there to be so many different levels of spirituality in people on this site that some are more in tune shall i say than others.
Some can not comprehend when others discribe there beliefs etc the extent of so many differences causes disruption on many levels.
Saying that, there is no need to put people down if your ideas are so different let it be.
This site is for every one, whether you agree or not, take it or leave it.

Let everyone have there say please!

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

Nice idea for a thread Burgundia. Thanks.

I'd never joined a forum before Avalon, so other experience at forums is non-existent. Could there be a spiritual war going on on all forums or just this one? That would make avalon special, different. My feeling is that it's not that special or different. I did in the beginning, but we're all growing up, hey? :original:

From my own experience, I've started to wonder about the whole 'posting' business. Certainly posting for posting's sake. If there's a war on, I'm asking myself if that war is with my own ego.

I mean, why am I posting now? Does this make me feel better? Does it help anyone? How much is the post for my own benefit and how much is it for the benefit of others?

Originally, it seemed Avalon was spawned as a direct reaction to what seemed to be the possibility of imminent breakdown of social order. For people to get in contact with likeminded people and form communities. As the breakdown is a no show at present (even though we can all see that it's likely headed that way in the mid to long term), so it would seem are the communities (am I speaking out of turn here? ).

It would be an interesting poll to see just how many groups have been created and are currently meeting up on a regular basis. Any ideas?

From my own meagre efforts on the Devon and Cornwall thread I managed to meet two people. From the whole of Devon and Cornwall. As far as I know, no one else met anyone else (not that was posted anyway).

My point? Avalon has become a discussion group. the topics seem to be more about belief in various scenarios then they seem to be about ground crews.

So there's your spiritual war, people going on line to have a difference of opinion, because the root founding reason for avalon is not happening. If it was, there would be more unity of purpose, in my view.

It seems to me most people are prepared to take action when their lives are in immediate danger, and if not, then they'd rather argue about the price of fish.

Something spiritual is going on though, there is an awakening, and my feeling is that that will overtake the original fear and need for avalon. Setting up avalon was the right step, and I am very grateful to Bill and Kerry for that. But things are quickening and what was necessary even three months ago , may not be relevant today.

The spiritual war is within ourselves and how we relate to others. But if I feel I'm a good person, why would I want to prove that on a forum (that's just ego), or why would I point it out to someone else that they are not behaving ethically. It seems a limitation of the forum communication. A real spiritual war to me is if I am placed in an ethical/spiritual dilemma. I think that is more likely in the 'real' world than online. But that's not to say it could not happen here too, I think it depends on the thread.

there... why did I make you sift through all that ?! Oops... ego again probably...thanks for the thread, a great question, and made me think.

Peace n love

K

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

It's a war alright...but this one is driven by ego, lack of understanding and also a lack of eloquence which hurt quite a number of members.

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There is a war in heaven, so we are told. But what is heaven? Anything outside of our physical dimension seems to us like a "spiritual" realm, but that isn't so, as I understand it. I hear that this planet is manipulated and controlled by interdimensional beings who can be invisible to our senses, and who do not care a farthing about the Native Earth Life on this planet. Just because we can't see them doesn't mean that they are on a loving spiritual path, especially if they want manipulation and control.

[If you've noticed, they're killing everything, every form of life on this planet, every species, whole ecosystems.]

Bill and Kerry have given us this site. It is a gift from them. Even if we pay a fee, it's still a gift and would not exist if they hadn't made it. We, now, can make it what we want to make it. Some of us understand that we are "making" something and approach it with a loving intent. Others throw stones ignorantly without understanding that that is a "making" also. Still others throw stones to make discord. Who are those people? It is quite possible this site has been under deliberate attack for quite a while.

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

A war exists between good and evil everywhere in the world.
Whether it is in our own minds or on a global scale.

This forum is no exception.

Peace from Paul

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

The war is in each of us.
"In order to stop war, you can't hate it."
Hate is war in and of itself.
If you have any at all, you are at war, with you.

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

When you battle others, you are battling yourself. Beliefs, perspectives, conceptual ideas, are anchors for sanity in a chaotic world. Expression leads to exploration and confrontation leads to more learning. Growth from within reaches out. Then you take in what evolves another perspective.

Peace,
Suriel

Happy Thanksgiving!

:original:

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

and, so, Welcome to the Winning Side!

[Handbook for the New Paradigm]

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

There is a spiritual war taking place throughout the cosmos. Planet earth is part of this battle...a microcosm of it, and Avalon is a tinier part of this microcosm. I personally believe that there are demons who've incarnated into physical bodies and are part of the plan to establish the rule of darkness throughout the earth. They work for the global elite. The powers of Light are equally battle-ready as we get nearer to the point of no return. Is there a spiritual war taking place? It would be foolish to not believe it.

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me

freespirit

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I don't have war with anybody here so I don't know what you're talking about.
Maybe some birthspasms but that's all.
Nothing a good team of moderators can't handle. (if you understand what I mean!!!!)

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

Empty your mind of all thoughts.
Let your heart be at peace.
Watch the turmoil of beings,
but contemplate their return.
Each separate being in the universe
returns to the common source.
Returning to the source is serenity.

Tracey Besmark

Kindness
mudra

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

To surf on this thought, and each separate being search it's uniqueness, and uniqueness is only reachable by separation, not by inclusion. Separation is source of fundamental suffering, but in a greater point of view, we are not apart from the source. It's like fluid. It's in us, we're in it. The balance comes in the fact that in Uniqueness we express life in a personal way, precious to the Creator.

Steven

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

Indeed there is.

But have no fear. I am determined in the end to conquer the pettiness of politics and make amends with fellow spiritual warriors here.

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

What if you are not battling others, but rather a force?

I believe that we can defeat hatred using love. Call me naive, but in the end, I have no fear.

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

What is that force?
And is battling it the same as being a rock, trying to battle a river, by throwing itself into it?

I used to agree totally, Janitor, I used to think that all it took was love. I do adore me some good love..

However, I am finding that once I label something, be it love or hate, I have given power to not only that thing, but also it's opposite.
They exist on the same stick, although polar ends of it, making it unclear as to which is which or if they are even different outside of their man made names.

What if, we observe life unconditionally, with no emotional attachment such as love or hate..what then?
What if, we are that force that we battle, by labeling and thinking everything is or must be known?
What if, in an objective, neutral place, we realize we are the force and that surrendering to it, is all that is necessary to harmonize?

The mind wants to compete, to challenge, the mind wants to identify & think that it knows, the mind thinks in terms of becoming, as if now isn't enough..

What if the real beauty of oneness, beyond the egos, beyond time, is in the humility of uncertainty?

War is desire. War is fear. War is insecurity and shame and belief.

And they are all illusions that house the man in his mind, away from his highest vibration, that river that flows regardless of the rocks, without consequence.

What we know of love, probably pales in comparison to it's enormous, unfixed truth.
Can we be okay emotionally, psychologically, spiritually, where the unknown is what is?
I have a feeling there is no war there.

Peace~
CW

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

Thanks. You blew my mind with this response.

Perhaps I have been looking at this the wrong way.

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

blown mind? check the fuses.

But seriously, epic answer, Circlework. nothing to add to that.

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Anyone ever heard of the elders. Desmond Tutu is the heart of this foundation. What it takes to make peace is love compassion and forgiveness. We as parents know all too well that children often deviate and commit mistakes but you don't stop loving your chidren because they have commited horrendous mistakes, in whatever manner shape or form. The heart of a parent loves unconditionally. This wisdom was shown by Mandela and Tutu in dealing with the oppresors in SA. No one in the history of mankind had done this before. Paraphrasing Tutu," humans are good in getting into trouble by the same token they are always looking for solutions to getting themselves out of the messes they create." He use apartheid as the prime example. http://theelders.org/

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

The spiritual war has existed for a very long time, but I don't think you can compare that to the few problems here on avalon, I for one don't have any problems with it, I believe most people on this forum are good people who are on their own spiritual journey, their radical attitudes way seem harsh to those who may have a more enlightened perspective, But looking back I remember a time when I may have been considered by some to be a fear mongerer, all of this information may be totally new and exiting to some and the way they react to it can sometimes be a shock to their system. Be patient with those who still act by their egos, for we all do from time to time.

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 

Some great posts here.

I think the 'war' or 'conflict' ['words', eh!] is not so much within 'Avalon' the
structure/org or the sometimes mean and riling posts, but between 'us' and the forces who are trying to disrupt what we represent.

I think it is to be expected If what we are involved in is real.
Which it is.

It works for a bit [the disruption], but then we start working
around it, and so on and so on.

We are flexible, 'they' are not.

This place has been [and will continue to be]
a Crucible for many great new things that will
go off and have multiplications and bifurcations of their own.

Pebble, Pond, Ripple.......................Wave.......

And for this, I want to massively thank ALL involved in the conception
and running of this place, and this whole idea.

Welcome to the winning side!


A brilliant poem If I may;
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INVICTUS


Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.



* by William Ernest Henley (1849-1903) ,
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Peace be upon you all.