Clearing up avalon
 

Over 400 thread were moved out of the review area to Off Topic today. So check there if you are looking for something or please use the search function. There were a few threads that I didn't have time to review yet but they should be in Off Topic in the next day or two.

In addition.. it's time to clean up the General Avalon Forum only this time everything will go to Off Topic where we will sort the threads from there so folks will have access to them during the sorting out process.

If your thread is Avalon related it stays in the Avalon General Forum. Any thread that is not in alignment with the guidelines on the Avelon Forum is being moved to the Project Camelot OFF TOPIC Forum.

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Due to this forum is slowly running off course by various factors - and needs to be steered back on track, we have been given permission to sort out the disruptive contributors.

Once these threads have been moved to the Review Area, we will go through them and look for any member who has a pattern of disparaging or negative posts. These members will be either given infractions or suspended depending upon the content and volume of such posts.



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Re: Clearing up avalon
 

Sounds like the war on terror. Only the forum version.

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Go for it Carol, Show us the good intentions. The world needs an example of how it all can work out, if everyone is of good intentions.

By now, everyone should have lost their fear...

If this spreads/ goes Virtal, we might not even have to build new communities.

?me is sitting back, and watches how this develops.

BTW, I got 4 infractions? Isn't 3 an automatic Ban? Has a Discision been made to withdraw them?

I hope this all works out for the best, and we can start making history.. t'is about Time that we go global.. Real and Virtual..

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Who decides what is a disparaging or negative post? Negative as compared to what?

I disagree with a fair few of the views on various threads, does that make me negative?

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Please people,

Give the Mods, Admins and Owners a chance to show their good intentions...

Wait... Give it a couple of days.
No need to give them hell, for trying to sort this out for once and for all, so we can start..

Again, Please...
Officially I am allready banned, I am still posting.. (HINT!)

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I will start sorting through the threads now. Please remember ANY THREAD that is not
on the following topics is being moved to the review area: Finding safe places, information and resources for building communities, site suggestions.

I fully expect this forum to look pretty bare in short order.

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Thank you for posting the guidelines. I for one see I have not followed forum guidelines completely, and for this I am sorry.

From now on I will abide by them as I do love being on avalon

In Love and Light

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wow at the bans, scary

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The first 44 threads have been moved. There are over 9 pages of threads to go through as the entire Avalon General Forum is being sorted out.

Please remember all of the missing threads are in the review section. Some of the threads are just fine as they stand but in the wrong sub-forum. It will take us a few days to sort this all out so please be patient.

Mahalo Nui Loa,

Carol

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The only people I see being banned are those who communicate in an abusive, disresptful style. There may be things I have not seen. Often someone takes offense by misinterpretating the other's intent.

I don't see people being banned for disagreeing, but for the abusive manner in which they go about it. These are often (not always) the people that get banned from one discussion list or forum after another, and they never get it that it's not the ideas they present, but the personal attacks and choice of words, like "You are blind if you think that." You are ... is the hallmark of the personal attack. Try using I feel, or I think ...

Thank you to the mods for cleaning up the forum.

Having been a moderator in a large discussion group, I'm well aware of the far-out plots that some people ascribe to the moderators who volunteer their time to keep the list/forum from descending into a flaming war of words.

The key is respect. And do not slam the volunteer mods for doing their job.

I hope this helps explain it's not the ideas that get you banned, but the attitude.

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Wow - You really know how to wield that broom, eh Carol?

All these conspiracy buffs can't see beyond their noses!

Great job.

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30 more threads just moved to the Review Area.

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i know already that, what i see is too much bans. makes one wonder. but ok. I know what this site is about.

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Nicely put Heart and I'd agree that some firm application of rules at this point is no bad thing. The forum should be a place where something that is ultimately positive can grow (in my view). Even if some of the subject matter that is discussed is by its own nature negative in outlook.

I've not joined a forum before, so I'm slightly surprised that something so positive in aspiration as avalon can attract posts that are devisive as they have been.

I for one want to see positive change in our world for positive reasons. If that can't happen in electronic space with complete strangers, then it won't in real space with real people either.

Let's hope this clearout will mark a change in vibe too.

P.S. By real...I take it that you are all a figment of my infinite ego ;0)

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sounds good to me!

where do you go to read or post stuff that isn't survival or gound crew oriented???

i live by the woods and know a lot of peeps that already for the past 40 yrs have lived in small communities that self sustain each other...these are wonderful things for sure!

i am here for the more spiritual posts rather than the survival issues stuff...does this mean that all of that stuff is now gone???

i surely do not want to disrespect anyone and i can find another forum i am sure that i can find info on spirituality,quantum physics, timewavs zero, 4d shift, etc etc etc....

just let me know!

thanx and om shanti!

i am sure you have a lot of work on your hands!

peace and love to you all....


THERE ARE MULTIPLE SUBFORUMS WITH ALL THE INFORMATION YOU ARE SEEKING, AS WELL AS THE CAMELOT FORUM WHICH ALSO HAS MULTIPLE SUBFORUMS.

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Well said. :thumb_yello:

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this is great news. clean the house.

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That answers my question about where my post went---but not the original question asked on my post..."If you were running for the presidency, how would you go about doing it?" Play the Game or have sign on your back saying "I am against TPTB"

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Clean the House!!! :adminpower:
You have my blessings:mf_popeanim:

On a more serious note, Thanks for your time.
I hope the result is a positive one.

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Just a heads up, over 50% of the threads were moved and did not belong here. Others that remained still need sorting but I do not have the time to open several hundred threads to check on this.

If you truly would like to be part of the solution.. you can help by taking a look at what is left and let us know where you think the thread should be moved to.

At least now some of the Avalon info is more easily found. If you post a thread non-Avalon related, know it will be moved into the holding area until we have time to sort it all out.

We are currently short on mods and have a new team starting in the next few days.

Mahlo Nui Loa and thank you everyone for your support and help.

Carol

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average joe--you make above average "good" sense ;)

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Too right Joe. We usually always disagree but I love ya anyways! We are adults after all. We can disagree and still both be right, and allow for tempers every now and then. Its gonna happen.

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TARGETING INDIVIDUALS

Posts should not be directed to specific individuals such as Bill Ryan, Kerry Cassidy or any specific witness unless a discussion has already opened. We advise you to direct your comments, questions and concerns to the group, so anyone may answer you. This promotes community discussion rather than personalities.

as quoted from Carol.

I am happy to see this being addressed. I have seen many personal attacks, and disregard for other's respect.

Well done Bill,Kerry, The Mods. Keep up the good work.

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Good job - it's about time!
It seems to me the ones that are going to be bent out of shape about this are the very ones that create the arguments to begin with. If you're not addressing anyone with an agenda to belittle or shame them, then you shouldn't really have anything to worry about.

This forum has been struggling to maintain a vibration of love and light - the dissenters challenge that intent. While I'm not too keen on certain four letter words being automatically sanitized (after all, we ARE all adults), I'm glad this is taking place. It'll help keep some of the otherwise non-confrontational beings of love and light in the mix.

Thank you
recallone

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I actually think this housecleaning is a great idea as I tend to spend more time at the Camelot part of the forums, since I really don't know what I can offer Avalon in terms of ground crew organization, etc.

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Thank you Carol for your initiative. I support 100% this much needed clean-up.
I did not want to suggest something like this myself as the peoples not following the guideline would have flame me but I was hoping it would happen. The forum is infested with a few members, who are actively posting and always it has nothing to do with the safe places, preparation and communities. For them Avalon is just a cool place to hang out. Well like you said, there are many others cool places to hang out. Here Avalon have a purpose and let's defend it so it fulfill it's purpose. Move things as you wish, ban those who make the users waste their time. Hopefully they will learn something.
Stick to the guideline, I love & support this project, the mods, the administration. Do as you feel is for the benefit of the silent majority who seeks help, advices, food for toughs and positives actions and models.

Cheers! :thumb_yello:

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CLEAN UP IS FINE

just don`t throw away all the INFO.
best would be to sort things out.
throw away the "flaming" and keep "information".

the "HEADS UP!!!" thread (started by Wes White Wolf) had lots of flaming and lots of information..
i would like to see the information again..

your cleanup came without correct forewarning.

the welcome notice is quite old. it still mentions miriam delicado but doesn`t show any cleanup date.

otherwise i would have downloaded the information i thought important with the help of some webstripper onto my harddrive before you started "spring cleaning". (probably would have downloaded the whole site anyway... for all the good info it had)

cheers

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this can`t be it...

information which could be vital for "ground crews" is still gone...
downloading the site would have been good for offline reading in the first place and also would have enabled a retroactive sorting out of the info for those who plan to eventually have ground crews that are well informed/prepared.

the stuff to be "dumped" should be kept accessible on some sort of "project avalon forum junk yard"

cheers

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is the cleanup over?:nono:

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Hi CapreyCorn,

For now the clean up is over.
Carol is in charge of that.

All info is in review and nothing is lost.
It is a hell of a job to clean threads and keep the good Info intact and make it available once more.

I hope we get to do that asap.:original:

Jenny

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LaRosa, I agree.

I don't think I saw "food for thoughts" listed in the Avalon 'brief'. That troubles me slightly.

Also, IMO the "NEW POSTS" button is as much a curse as a blessing for this forum. It's a valuable tool that I wouldn't want to remove but it has a strong propensity to obliterate all distinctions between forums and threads. Although, officially, this is Project Camelot and Project Avalon, it is effectively "Project NEW POSTS" and has manifested as such.

I'd like to suggest that, if it is possible, there be multiple 'new posts' buttons.

The idea of a fixed charter for this project gives me negative vibrations. I fully appreciate the current initiative to clean this place up and in a week or so we will know better what that looks like. Hard research is in the charter. It should be. Hard analysis is not in the charter. It's a grey area. Many people here probably don't even believe in analysis but are willing to be subjective in their own terms never the less. It's a conundrum and is very difficult to manage as a large disparate 'community' without having pillow fights breaking out.

If I'm not first banned, the one thing above all else that will decide whether I stay active here or not, will be whether or not I feel safe here. Mary Lou's outburst gave me a paranoid view of this forum for a few hours but what will really drive me away, should it happen, will be an intellectual "Mission Accomplished" speech from the flight deck of this great ship.

* ( I know Avalon doesn't really have a charter. I just borrowed the term to clarify my thinking. )

:mf_pain:

norman.

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thank you for the feedback.

seems that most is back. still haven`t found the info i was looking for in the "HEADS UP!!!......." thread by "Wes_Whitewolf" (couldn`t find the thread)
..I`ll keep looking later again..

thanks again & cheers :winksmiley02:

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Aloha,

Our researchers have stepped into help sort the threads that need cleaning up and where they will be going. The mods will then clear out the negative content, leaving the info and sort the threads into their appropriate sub forums.

There were approximate 512 threads that were moved yesterday. It is no wonder that Avalon was dragging down to a slow halt.

As to Mary Lou, her information was incorrect with some respects. The HD info had been out in the open for months. She just found out about it and acted on her own without consulting any of us. If she had taken the time to talk to us we could have prevented the fallout.

As to the whole notion of psychic attacks.. all of the symptoms these folks had could have easily been the result of EMF (electro magnetic frequency) exposure from spending way too many hours in front of the computer and being bone tired. Some mods put in 20-hour days here. What does that tell you? They were covering and pouring their hearts out to keep this place going. Meanwhile, that type of dedication resulted in extreme fatigue.

Most folks realize that fatigue can play tricks with the mind and also lends itself to paranoia. This appears to be what happened. We had good people who were just way overworked keeping this forum opened and protecting it from spammers.

Hopefully a lesson has been learned from all of this. We have new mods coming on today and will be having more of the members joining us as mods later this week.

I want to thank everyone for their support while we get these threads sorted out for you. Just remember... when they are put back you can find them if you posted on the thread, or you remember who posted on the thread, by going to the statistics area in the bio pages of the members and clicking. It will show all posts and threads started by that member, or yourself, and you can direct link into the thread you're interested in from there.

For further understanding and clarification, below is the point system used by the mods for infractions. Our software system has been set up to automatically suspend someone once they reach the alloted points for a suspension. As this was just set up yesterday.. there may still be a software glitch or two also needing sorting out. Please be patient with us while we work on this and feel free to contact us if you notice something not right with it as well. I just want to add that usually someone has to have 3 infractions before being suspended. Suspensions can range from 24 hours onward depending upon what the infraction is for. Personally, I don't yet understand this new software program so until it's sorted out at this end there will likely be some problems with this for a few days. Thank you again for your patience.


Title/ Points/ Expires/ Warning
Inappropriate Language 1 10 Day(s)
Signature Rule Violation 1 10 Day(s)
Spammed Advertisements 1 10 Day(s)
Insulted Other Member(s) 2 30 Day(s)
Spreading Negativity 3 30 Day(s)
Pornography 100 Never

See here for further clarification http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...3&postcount=60

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Additional;

The infractionpoints given are in the end a mod decision.

Suspensions and how long a suspension is given is ultimately a mod decision.

The software vBulletin gives us a guideline which we use.
As guideline.:original:


Jenny

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Thank you, Thank you!!!

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i feel some positive rise here now....:original:

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So "spreading negativity" will result in an instant (minimum) 30 day ban!? On Avalon!!!?? The home of the coming apocalypse!!?? :lmao:

You just couldn't make this stuff up! Doesn't anyone else spot the contradiction? Or has everyone been so terrified by the shock and awe tactics that you daren't say anything any more?

Edit: I agree with the cleanup, it certainly needs it, but talk about overkill.

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Moderators can change the amount of time, days or months, whatever.

It is a guideline Sunrunner, to be adjusted as we see fit and agree upon.

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Very good Carol.

You have got my support 100% in what you are doing.

And those who are playing the 'hitler' card are some of those who are obviously trying to cause friction. Such statements as "Ohh a ban.. scary, you know what that means" or "Ohh look at all the restrictions" are hallmarks of those who are trying to cause trouble and this kind of thing should not be tolerated.

A forum such as this needs to be controled to a very large extent. And the reason being is that it is far too easy for negativly orientated people to divert its course under the guise of 'free speach'

I have full trust in the owners and the moderators of this forum to control it in a just fair manner. We are not at the point where such things can be run freely by the people just yet for the obvious reason of sabeutars but we could not have better moderators to do this job.

Good call Carol, Take no ***** and dont be discouraged by the people who are branding the forum owners the same as our own political leaders because i know in my heart and soul that if the intention is good then the result will follow.