Universal Service for ages 18-25
 

Obama's chief of staff choice favors compulsory universal service
197 comments
November 6, 10:03 AM
by J.D. Tuccille, Civil Liberties Examiner


Rahm Emanuel
Rep. Rahm Emanuel wants to force people 18 to 25
to labor for the government.
Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, President-Elect Barack Obama's choice for chief of staff in his incoming administration, is co-author of a book, The Plan: Big Ideas for America, that calls for, among other things, compulsory service for all Americans ages 18 to 25. The following excerpt is from pages 61-62 of the 2006 book:

" It's time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. We propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service. ...

Here's how it would work. Young people will know that between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five, the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service. They'll be asked to report for three months of basic civil defense training in their state or community, where they will learn what to do in the event of biochemical, nuclear or conventional attack; how to assist others in an evacuation; how to respond when a levee breaks or we're hit by a natural disaster. These young people will be available to address their communities' most pressing needs."

Emanuel and co-author Bruce Reed insist "this is not a draft," but go on to write of young men and women, "the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service." They also warn, "[s]ome Republicans will squeal about individual freedom," ruling out any likelihood that they would let people opt out of universal citizen service.

As chief of staff, Emanuel will not be in a position to directly introduce public policy, but his enthusiasm for compulsory service, combined with Barack Obama's own plan to require high school students to perform 50 hours of government-approved service, suggest an unfortunate direction for the new administration.

http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-...versal-service

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Obama is going to change everything alright.......and not for the better.

Re: Universal Service for ages 18-25
 

This idea would make a good Scot laugh, this has nothing to do with taking the high ground.

Compulsory service is immoral, unconstitutional, and not morally lawful.

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In case you all didn't realize Rahm Emanuel is Obama's new chief of staff...

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More obamamania

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Three months? Shiit I'd SIGN UP for that!

I don't think it should be compulsory though, if they offered some incentives and didn't require chipping or any vaccinations, etc. I'd probably sign up.

The thing that kept me from joining the military was I didn't like signing years of my life away and being trapped on some base somewhere. I like going home at the end of the day:)

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I respectively disagree with you. Isn't it the me, me, me times that have ruled our country since the '80's that most of us are hoping to change to 'us, us, us? I am old enough to remember when the United States had a Civil Defense system. I remember hearing the siren and getting under my little school desk to protect myself from the scary Russians! I am tired of fear and negativity being 'gleened' out of every new idea.

As to Civil Defense, there was a time when everyday Americans stepped up to learn how to direct and perform under times of national distress. The young people on this planet today are, for the most part, truly extraordinary and I would gladly follow their 'tutored' lead. This is not Germany in the l930's and 40's. We are creating our futures at a very fast pace and young vibrant leaders are welcome in place of the stodgy current regime. I would bet that our young people would be excited to be invited into the possibilities of making real differences and helping in any way they can.

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This isn't even the tip of the iceberg of what these creatures have in store for the last days of America.

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This all harks back to "rebuilding americas defenses" (PNAC), if they can't get enough from Mexico then they'll force them in.
Obama is the same old story with a different face.

Cynthia McKinney, Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich were the only genuine people I could see amongst all the nominees.
The rest were all bought and paid for a long time ago. It's just a puppet show.

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If ya can't say no to servitude, its slavery.
Even Rahm can't twist that into something "good"...
Do not ask what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country? Never mind asking, we'll make you...

" It's time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. "
So what did hid Buddy (Z) Biden do with the unreal Patriot Act?

Where do these people get these Ideas?

"The Hitler Jugend (or Hitler Youth) organisation was formed in 1933 as a branch of the National Socialist party (NSDAP). All other youth clubs and groups in Germany were incorporated into the HJ, and the Boy Scout movement was banned. In 1939, service in the Hitler Jugend between the ages of ten and eighteen was made compulsory."

http://cas.awm.gov.au/heraldry/REL30209

"to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service. ..."

Basic Training? And then fight next to the National Guard the war with <Next Enemy of the Masters> as the Hitler Jugend did at the end?

Man they drag you to the abyss, throw you into it, and while you are falling, you smile since one was made to think that it is for the good of it all... Meanwhile back at the ranch, the bag lady's can't even find food in the garbage bin of McDonalds, beside of course that they have to stand in line in front of that garbage can with people that still can afford (Barely) their housing.

I wonder if part of the training involves handling that Wolrd Peace breaks out, and no one can find a reason to fight and die for some burocrat with questionable loyalties anylonger....

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3 months sounds like something fun to do between college years. It doesnt sound too bad but when you consider where this message comes from is where your suspicions kick in.

Here in the UK its a fact that staff such as parking wardens have been told they may be required to help out in case of emergencies.

Obama wants a youth bridage. To me its all about getting as many people as possible into an authority position. Hypothetically a false flag emergency happens and all of the people who have been trained start their new job in keeping order. My current thoughts on it anyway

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oh and did they ever cut "spending" in Philly this week.
did you see it? did you see it?
I've worked community service in philly. or what i consider community service. :-)
while i was going to college. and i have undefinable debt. so when i hear them say stuff like- community service and paying for school it just makes me want to throw up.
never mind taking care of the people that do it the real way. i hate how they'll get people on these faux plans to help people when they'll really just be training how not to help people. so sad. this is an example of a city that would really benefit from kids doing stuff for other kids. arg. makes me so sick.

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I think it wouldn't be so bad, maybe they would learn something about civil defense, instead of learning how to tap a keg, or do beer bongs. LOL!

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Yup, got it in one m8y.

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They'd learn plenty about how to lose their humanity, become cold blooded killers, beat "islamic terrorists" with the freedom stick and other such great educational stuff.

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Yes, as long as everything is quiet on the Frontier..

The Stop Loss Policy

National Guard and Army Reserve members are also affected by the ongoing Stop Loss Policy, which allows the Pentagon to keep soldiers whose enlistment is due to expire in order to maintain troop strength and unit integrity. The restrictions bar voluntary separations and retirements for soldiers in designated units beginning 90 days before deployment until 90 days after their units return to their home stations. Specifically, "the President may suspend any provision of law relating to promotion, retirement, or separation applicable to any member of the armed forces who the President determines is essential to the national security of the United States." A Stop Loss order for National Guard and Reserve units activated for the war against terrorism has been in effect since November 2002. Army officials announced June 1 the latest Active Army Stop Loss/Stop Movement Program for active Army units preparing for deployment overseas in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom remains in effect.

A lawsuit, Doe v. Rumsfeld, was filed against the Stop Loss Policy in August of 2004 in federal court in San Francisco on behalf of an Army recruit who served nine years on active duty, most recently in Iraq. The plaintiff is currently a reservist in the California National Guard. The suit contends that the plaintiff only signed up for one year, and that the stop loss could force him "to return to Iraq for up to two years, and possible continued military service beyond that time." Some critics have referred to the Stop Loss policy as a "backdoor draft."

http://www.pbs.org/now/society/natguard.html

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Oh c'mon it's civil defense, more like community service, not military. It would do them some good.

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There are a lot of behavior patterns from which people say that would do other people some good! Make them all mandatory?

Do them some good, is to learn to volunteer for it...
But mandatory? It is just placing another group of society under direct or indirect command of Ceasar and then at his discretion..

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That's not about what civil defense is about at all. It about organizing on a local level should an emergency occur.

Could this be perverted and used for evil? Of course, but personally I think more people knowing how to orgainze and take care of themselves and their communities is a good thing.

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Community service would be visiting old folks homes and having a chat or helping out at the homless shelter.
This is just training them for what's to come, just as TranceAM said, the Hitler youth were all told the same old story too. But this is America and that sort of thing doesn't happen here.

Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. It's straight out of Sun Tzu's book as far as I'm concerned.

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HaHa, the funny thing is, if it was voluntary nobody would show up!

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Thank you, well said

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So why the stealing of lifetime (The real Wealth of people.) from one (Without paying for it.) and then redistribution of the efforts milked out of that stolen lifetime to others?

Making/enforcing a law, doesn't make it 'good".. It only makes it lawful.

There is quite a cold shill surrounding your aura Dan.
Work for the Man?

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No HaHa, don't get me wrong, I don't agree with working for the man, so to speak, but it's only 3 months and young people are soft these days, they need to get their hands dirty for their community. My aura is nice and warm and fuzzy, oh wait, that's the blanket wrapped around me. lol!

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Hitler Youth?

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are people seriously defending this??

even neocons and bush didnt MAKE you join, im not an obama hater but this guy Rahm is a serious pro isreal warhawk (asked by tim russert if he'd vote for the war even knowing thered be a huge loss of life and there were no weapons of mass destruction, he said "yes")

politics as usual, all administrations suck--- universal service would be one step more towrds fascism, not thanks rahm.

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Yes,

for the most part i think it would be beneficial,
and, even if they did want to use it for malevolent reasons,..

do we think all the people would really still follow and be a part of it?

I dont.

Not the majority of them.
I dont think this is about militarizing everything,.

but, I think that if we all took a few short months to learn how to survive and help each other survive in any given circumstances, would be good.

i mean, look at how many americans really are clueless as to what to do should something really happen...
many many many of them would be absolutely lost and terrified.

if the people see it being used for the wrong reasons,
i have a bit of faith in the people that they would not go along with it.

its not like its boot camp and preparing for war, right?

in times of a struggle, which we are cleary in now,
dont we think it would be good to accept a little responsibility ? to help everyone? I dunno, but it seems worth it. unless of course i am totally off on all of this.
:wub2:

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having people learn how to use an m16 and obey orders isnt teaching them how to plant or farm or live off the land and be self sufficient, the boy scouts would do a btter job at that.

as far as "americans" being that out of touch, well newsflash; were not any worse off than any western country if disaster strikes.

if you want forced military service move to switzerland or israel

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Ah applause!, hand clapping, and more hand clapping! well said! ORION11

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bootcamp is exactly what forced military service would be, if they throw in a few community service activities, so what- its still the military, its still weilding weapons of death, its still forced on you, its still learning how to follow orders.


not for me.

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ok, thanks,

see, perhaps i was off..

I should have familiarized myself more with it before commenting,

I shall look more in depth before saying anything else.

Thanks Dan,. Thanks Clark.

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iT'S not forced military service, it's civil defense community service, how to help communities in need

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The problem is many Americans have the false notion that the world owes them something.

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That's why it's CIVIL and not MILITARY service. And it doesn't say anything about weapons training.

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Hey Orion11, TrancAm says I have a cold shill around my aura, does it look o.k. to you?

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Where do you get that young people are "soft" these days?
I had just one member of my family leave for Iraq in spite of being promised to never being send there... I think with the Info at hand, it is not that intelligent, but "soft" I can't call a man that makes a decision to serve his country. And there are many like him.
Others don't go and serve, are they "soft"? Are they less "Manly"?

"They need to get their hands dirty for their community?"
Where do you get these ideas?

Where is it stated in the contract between Country and Population, that the duties of a United States Citizen is getting dirty hands for their community?
Why is that community sitting on their thumbs and not preparing for any and every thing themselves?
What about politicians not enforcing war or their ideas of "Freedom" on others, so them young clean handed people aren't forced into situations they should never be in?
What about them politicians who want to put everything on the Free Market because that could do the jobs much better? Yes it does everything much better but at a higher price then slaves that can't say no!
And it is sad, when a population has nothing else to offer to the altar of government then their children to slavelabor to get things done.. Or enforcing the cost of their spending habits on the children of their children because they couldn't say no to their government.

"Yes we can" + "Believe in Change"
It is a free country, you can believe in any and everything.
Although according to the first the Government isn't allowed to start a religion!
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, ...."

Ok, The abyss, is just after that hollow tree to the left.. Just keep going.

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yeah i cant find anything about weapons training...

and.. is it really learning how to "follow orders"?
or
is it
"learning how to lead each other in times of need"?

i really see nothing about military or weapons,

which of course means nothing, but...

its not really so much about doing it for 'them',

it seems more like its about each other.

and... so, say you do get training on how to do all of the above..

does that mean you would use it for the wrong reasons?

Just because someone is being taught something, does not mean they are going to use those teachings for what the teacher(s) intended, good or bad.

I could teach you how to go into the forest use your knife for survival, and how to build fires from anything..
but does that mean your going to go and use all i taught you for those reasons only?
no, you could use those skills for good or for bad.



and most people do know good from bad,
and as surprising as it may seem,

there are many more who want to do good than there are who want to do bad.

and Dan,
you Aura actually does not feel cold... lol

your vibes or your pictures Ive seen,

both have a very warm and inviting Aura from what i can tell.

when it all boils down..
Anything that happens, is up to the people.

we march as billions.

:wub2:

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When I first read this article I thought it was outrageous. Yeah, there are a lot of young people out there who just don't have their priorities in the right place, BUT making them go to away somewhere for 3 months to be "trained" sounds like a brainwashing and indoctrination camp to me.

Not a good idea.

This sort of idea should be brought about by community efforts not federal.

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that is a good point.

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Yup you're right, no federal involvement would be much better I guess.

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I totally agree with you chooseyourlifenow.