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it looks like your truth is my truth. this is exactly how i feel about God and myself. And subconsciously I have always known about those 2 misconsceptions you have described here. I always send love directly to God, I am so greatful to him that I exist abd I know that all power that I have comes from Him.

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Ego, is thinking that you alone have all the answers to spirituality and that everyone else is wrong.

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Arcora this is the best post I have read on this forum...Thanks for that.
I too feel the same about my path.
Don't worry about the negative posts that may come from sharing this, the result will just prove your point.

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After many changes in my life the past few years (some changes I can't explain why they happened) this pretty much sums up what i've been feeling and thinking. like i'm preparing for judgement day.

Out of the blue 2 years ago I got a telescope and have been looking into the heavens ever since, seeing some of the most spectacular eye openeing things. other galaxies, nebuli star clusters and I've always thanked the creator for this incredible view. :thumb_yello:

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Arcora, I am not wishing to argue with you. I do see a few things different or maybe misconceptions on my part, they are still my views until shown differentially.

Spirituality yes religion no and I will tell my beliefs on that one. Too many wars\deaths have been attributed to religious beliefs, the old "my god is better than your god" aspect has ruined it for many as far as religion goes. Another is money how much is given to religious organizations in the name of god when that money should be in teaching about the word and redistributing to the needy instead how much of this lines the pockets of these religious leaders\organizations instead of it's true purpose? Lastly the control\boundaries that religion's place on society if it were to teach morality and integrity it has failed poorly in many circumstances.

Love most do not understand the true word "love" or agape. There again how many have been killed in the name of 'love" by someone without any understanding of the word. Love is a selfless expression not about you but another. I agree with you about how love should be shown it is in deed not anything to do with self at all, you should love yourself but not be in love with self.

This second misconception you speak of I have difficulties with when you say one does not create their own path which is the reality they live in now. Being a "god" has nothing to do with creating your own path. If you make certain choices in life that lead to cra* or contentment whichever be the case are you not creating that reality in and of itself which can be changed by additional choices should you wish to change them. Are not people's choices they make sometimes a necessary evil to teach or guide them on their path? Could these choices that were seen as hardships now be used later in life as a necessary tool, again one's perceptions of what is needed in life. If enough people choose poorly is that in and of itself feasible proof that we have chosen poor decisions and poor leadership\guidance.

One example here. Say a young wealthy teen chooses to go against her families wishes and marry outside the "class" instead she chooses to abandon the structure she had been reared in. She finds many struggles in life but also finds contentment within her own life. Now she not only changed or created a new path but also altered her parents\workers path's as well see how it works. One person's choices sometimes affect many other's. Could go into great detail on this but I will not you get the jest of it.

When our government makes choices are they not steering a course that is either beneficial or non-beneficial for it's people and the people have to adjust to or reject and alter what has just happened. Cause and effect usually are long range effects that appear down the road and many times are not immediately seen nor felt.

As far as war, strife, famine, and misery may be because of the choices of some the people or government. War IMO is started over religion\culture differences in many cases and the rest are to help economies and the wealthy corporations {sic}. Strife there again differences of cultures\views and in many cases someone's making is it not? Famine could be eliminated by people's choices, educating people on personal responsibility and with the religious organizations\government aid to help wipe it out. One question to you and others if I chose to have 15 children is it fair for me to ask you to assist me in rearing them? BTW I do help all I can and will continue to do so until I cannot, which is another question as the belt tightens how many can help other's with their choices in life? Until such time that people take personal responsibility for one's own action's they will never have control over their own lives someone else will decide for them, I prefer to make and guide my own. This prison I agree is temporary. A narrow gate perhaps but there are many ways\lessons to learn to get there.

Peace & Love to you
Trish

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It isn't even that.



Don't worry about the negative posts that may come from sharing this, the result will just prove your point.


OK I'm Mr negative. Your 'LOVE' is genuine. I don't doubt that. Your expression of 'LOVE' is only going to be 'genuine' if it has the equivalent of 'having it's priorities in the correct order'.

The 'correct order' 's that billions of humans express are only subjective and add-up to what we 'see' here in this world right now. Cooking 'brownies' for the kids is NOT an expression of your love. ( it COULD be killing them ). 'GIVING' to 'unfortunate' people is NOT an expression of your love. These things are only your 'spiritual' 'ego' playing games.

As is very apparent by the number of people using forums like this one, THERE IS 'SOMETHING' 'HAPPENING' TO THIS 'WORLD' right now and NONE of us 'know' what it is.

What we see amongst the population are a myriad of 'reactions' to this realisation. The spiritual 'ego's are 'sending love'. The dark 'elite' are 'tunnelling away'. The TV fans are burying their heads. These reactions are only 'symptoms' of a realisation of some sort of change in our human condition. None of us know what it is and, in my opinion, what's happening is outside of our control. You can express what you think is love, but, your spiritual ego's surrender to 'WHAT's HAPPENING' is what you ( and I ) must face.

I know that sounds very 'bossy'. For what it's worth at this time, I'm sorry about that. My symptoms are showing. So are yours and everyones. Hold tight, this is going to be a very . . . . . . . . . . . . :mfr_omg: :partytime2:


norman. :thumb_yello:

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Interesting thread, Acora:original:

Now I know what you mean about the 'fuzzy warm' feeling you've mentioned before. :original: It's all beginning to make sense....

I do think you make a good point about 'love' being a verb. Unfortunately, 'love' is a very misused word. From personal experience, I came to think of it as a strange form of currency....I will pay you with 'x' amount of 'love' if you play ball according to my rules.:original: Unfortunately, I have a sister who loves me to bits and tells me frequently - providing I think and act as she does. Any deviation from this 'norm' is liable to result in words that I don't think could be described as 'loving' :lol3:

I have also heard your theory in respect of sending out energy before. Many times, in fact - and I, along with many others, was very dubious about the 'Fire the Grid' experiment in 2007. Something didn't quite sit right for me in terms of some of the promises on that website.

With regard to the 'creating your own reality', I do see your point and accept it. However, I think we could take it to a microcosmic level rather than a worldy one :original:

Take my abovementioned sister (please!!). She is highly negative, full of self-pity and convinced she is a) the only person that sufferers and b) the only person worth talking about. Consequently, people tend to avoid her - which creates the self-fulfilling prophecy that she 'suffers'. Now, if she opened her eyes to the lives that other people live, realised that most people have pain in their lives at some time, and focused just a little on how those people were or tried to really help and support them, her reality would change dramatically. People wouldn't avoid her - they might even seek her out, which in turn, would make her happier.

This is my understanding of creating my own reality.

I have known people who, when they approach a matter with confidence and positivity, can make things happen. Similarly, those whose approach is lacking in confidence and full of negativity tend to receive the thin end of the wedge.

I was also interested in experiments such as the phantom DNA. The results did tend to indicate that our thoughts and feelings interacted with the DNA, which, like all else in the Universe is simply particles and therefore, energy. And the double-slit experiments seem to indicate that matter is affected when we turn our attention onto it:original:

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Negativity rules because most people are negative...when that changes, everything else will change too. All of our thoughts and intentions are like votes...in a way. The majority of these "votes" dictate reality.
This is what is meant by co-creation...in my opinion.
If everyone on the planet began to send out thoughts and intentions of Love...do you think we would have any more war?
I don't.

arcora...the spiritual war you mentioned takes place within every living soul. It is the battle between the head and heart. The heart seeks harmony, while the head seeks mastery...the two can not co-exist...thus we have imbalance.

Reality exists in one place only...everything you have ever sensed (seen, felt, tasted, touched) exists because your mind/body took in sensations and through electro-chemical reactions, interpreted these inputs as being 'things' that are 'real'. I contend that without your thoughts, nothing would exist.

Try it at home...go to sleep...while your asleep, what exists? (except your dream world)

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suppose there are only two choices...Love and Fear.
Which will you choose?

In a democracy...51% will triumph...not 100%.

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An excellent thread... I have one correction/observation to your comments :)

I would say that you don't know what you don't know... but that is nit picking. Or a 3rd option obviously because we could know about something but not yet know it ie not studied it yet but be aware of it.

I think it is a time of doing rather than talking about it... Which I'm starting to realise... My issue is what do you do... I have a multi-fork in my path and I just know the road I'm on now is not the right direction.

I feel the healing road is calling... I'm choosing to delay for some reason. Maybe the next few weeks will add clarity for us all.

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The spectrum covered between Love and Fear is the same spectrum covered between "service to self" and "service to others". Those operating on a 'service to self' base are also operating out of Fear. Our society in general (the majority) operates out of Fear as well...if you doubt this, ask yourself why you carry keys...why is everything built with a lock?
anyway...indifference and apathy are traits based on fear too. All emotions can be traced to one end of that spectrum...either motivated by Love or Fear...and we all get to choose.

It gets more complex...your green sky question:
it doesn't even take half of a populous, thinking toward the Love end of the spectrum to sway our global perceptions, because positive energy attracts and multiplies...while negative energy segregates. So much less than a majority would in fact turn the sky pink, with purple dots...if we wanted.

I think we are both on the same side here arcora...I don't want this to sound like a peeing contest...please.

I'm not trying to denigrate your thinking...and apologize that it may be taken the wrong way.

I only seek Love.

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Rareheart,
Might I be so bold as to request, in plain language, just exactly what you mean by Love? Fear? Service to self? Service to others? Providing examples would also be helpful. I believe there is a lot of misunderstandings on this forum.
People think someone is saying one thing when it is actually something different than the original intentional meaning.

Thank you for your time.
:original:Alexandra

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Alexandra...I agree completely. Misconceptions rule the day here and everywhere. The trouble starts with language itself. Communication, even in its most basic form requires comparisons. Perhaps the most basic form of data transference is the computer "bit". It exists in one of only two possible states...on or off (it's really a magnetic pole orientation difference between the two)...anyway...
To keep this as simple as possible:
When we begin to compare things, we judge them...these judgments happen each moment we are aware...without our knowledge (mostly). When we get down to the nitty-gritty...we realize that we do in fact have the ability to choose our reactions to any judgment we assess.
For instance...your driving carefully down the road and someone suddenly cuts you off...you have an opportunity to react in many possible ways. Some people instantly take offense, and feel as if they have been a victim of some sort, and wish to retaliate, perhaps. Others just go on driving, as if nothing happened. It basically depends which end of the spectrum of emotions you choose to draw from.
Love and Fear are polar opposites
Ask anyone who has been in combat. Love for their fellows trumps Fear...and motivates heroic actions.

as far as "service to self" and "service to others"...the line gets a lot fuzzy there...because while in service to others...one also serves himself.
Maybe someone else can help me out here?

All Love.

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Originally Posted by taomation http://projectavalon.net/forum/minty...s/viewpost.gif
Ego, is thinking that you alone have all the answers to spirituality and that everyone else is wrong.

Arcora answered:

For the record, I have never claimed to have all the answers - quite the opposite. I have said repeatedly "I know what I know and I know what I don't know".

I knew that creating this thread would generate a negative response from certain members and I resisted creating it because I would prefer to avoid comments like yours and others that are sure to follow.

I was asked to do it and I complied. Accept it or reject it - it's up to you.

Don't shoot the messenger.


I don't see where you are attacked here so why answer in such a defensive tone?
I think you made a great post and think taomation made a complementary remark.
That's how I see it.

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I agree. Service to self does entail service to others and vice et versa. I believe this is a concept many confuse. There is no black and white, per se, but various combinations of the two.

I believe; and I say I BELIEVE [not required by anyone else], that fear is a normal response to given situations and should not be ignored or buried. Fear should be faced, dealt with, and one should move on from there. A lot of illness comes from suppressed fears that are buried in the psyche because
people feel it is wrong to be afraid. It is unhealthy to dwell on fear for extended periods of time as well. Actually, focusing on anything, positive or negative, exclusively, is unhealthy. Balance in all things is the key toward health and wisdom.

The analogy of the car cutting one off is typical. Most do respond , at least in Connecticut, by rage [ this is anger, not fear]. If someone does that to me I just say "hey, apparently this is important to you, go for it". No need to get upset. I call this kind of thing the Me First Syndrome. Where I originate from, people are a tad more polite.

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Dayzero,
Could you be specific in mentioning to whom it is you are addressing? This would be helpful. Thanks.

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At the risk of sticking my nose where it may not belong...I'll attempt an answer to your query Alexandra.

I believe dayzero was addressing the OP (original post) of this thread...hence, addressing the poster as well.

But, I could be wrong.

oh and btw ...I agree with these sentiments:
also...and this is just my "belief"...anger stems from Fear...as do a myriad of other negative emotions.

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Thank you for the answer. I did not realize that OP meant original post. Apparently, I am a little dumb in that department:mfr_lol:

I had always heard that anger stems from rejection and is the lack of love. Also that people usually hate someone they love more than a stranger when they feel slighted. Lack of love is not fear although fear can contain a lack of love. This is one of those illogical logic statements.:mfr_lol:

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If we don't ask...we won't know, dear.
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Hi everybody,

I just would like to say that the misconceptions of love and wanting to become a superior and god-like being are both natural. We are born with the ability to love ourselves first and then come our parents, friends, etc. If you can learn to start loving others like you love yourself, then you are beginning to awaken from your deep sleep of spiritual denial. The only time when you go into deep depression or have suicidal tendencies, you have begun to hate yourself. If you stop loving yourself, there are no reason to live. Because love doesn't exist anymore in your heart.

The two Greatest commandments from Yahushua (The Son of Yahweh):

1. Love your Creator (Father Yahweh) with all your heart, all your mind, and all your soul.

2. Love your neighbor as you love yourself.

All of the commandments of Yahweh hang upon these two Great commandments. Because Yahweh is the Elohim of Love. That is why when I said that when you begin to love others as yourself, you have started to "awaken" a deep consciousness inside of you that Yahweh has placed there when you were born. All of us are born with the "essence" of Elohim (God) inside of us.

Read this:

Genesis 2:7 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

What is a living soul? It is the "essence" of your Creator. Because Father Yahweh's essence is life. Life is the essence of Love. Remember these words. For death is the essence of evil. Now you understand why Satan is evil. He wants death and destruction in this world.

When we have this "essence" inside of us all, we have what you call love. Because of this essence, we have two very common traits in all human beings. We know how to love ourselves and to love others eventually. We want to worship somebody or something. We want to worship period. If you are not worshiping or following Yahweh, then you will be following something else, even if it's yourself. Some people may follow Muhammad or Buddha, others will follow the "New Age" movement of nature's spirituality, or you may follow yourself. I know some people even worship various rocks. They believe that certain rocks and crystals can give them a spiritual change of some sort.

If you raise yourself into the "god" status, then you are worshiping yourself. You may not realize it. But it is true. Re-direct that love and worship back to the Father, which is in Heaven. Because He created you. Don't worship the creation (everything that you see, feel, taste, hear, and touch...including yourself and other people & things), ONLY worship the Creator and ALL THINGS will be given onto you.

Allow me to be blunt with you. Don't take this the wrong way. Yahweh does want you to reach the status of a god. But you can not do this by yourself nor with anybody's help, including Satan. Yahweh will give you everything. But you must become His children. His love is the result of the beautiful things that He will give to you. Certain things He will give to you which I can't explain at this point. And one of those things is being in His family. Do you not want to share this wonderful, wonderful love with Him? His love is boundless. And one of these things is the gift of life eternal, which is one of the gifts of being a what? Elohim. Elohim is the plural form of many "mighty beings." That is why when I say Yahweh Elohim, I am talking about a FAMILY of "mighty beings." DO NOT take this message as a means to seek a "god-like" status with Yahweh. It will NEVER happen to you if you DO NOT HUMBLE YOURSELVES BEFORE HIM!! You can not be a thief and climb or dig yourself into the Kingdom of Heaven another way. He will not allow it.

Humble yourselves, love Yahweh and others as yourself or more, seek the Kingdom of Heaven, and you all will understand Yahweh's true plan of salvation. Before then, you will never understand.

-Phillip

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Arcora, I can agree with your first point, but don't forget, evil spirits need love too. :original:

I mean, so they feed on love?
I like to feed the birds at the park, I like to feed the fish in the pond, I like to feed the ants in my kitchen.
You say we should help those around us, well not all of us can afford to give to others, but haven't we all got access to love? Why not share some with the spirits around me, if that's what they need?

Don't worry I'm not that naive. I wouldn't give all my bread to the birds when I need some for myself, or my family. I just don't see that paranoia will be any benefit.
I mean, am I going to run out, of love?

For what crime?

You say we must be wary not to trust our captors, yet we must prostrate ourselves before the Judge...?
Aren't they the same guys?

Myself, I have a rebel mind.
Here's my reply to any judge: :tongue2:

It's not necessarily ego that drives the rebel in me, just a questioning nature.
I want to know how things work and why, but not just why is it that way, but why should it be?

Questioning the justification for 'the way things are' and having some passion to do something about it, that's how we create our own reality.

Silence is consent.


Regarding 'creating our own reality', you are aware of the Placebo effect?
You've probably heard of this too, but I recommend the Red Ice Creations site and their archive on the Holographic Universe.

You're assuming it's ego behind such a claim.
I'd say we don't need to ask at all. We simply go free - when we realise we are as good as him – or to be more precise, we are him…

That's a liberating experience.
That's enlightenment.

As Michael Tsarion has said, 'enlightenment' is not necessarily just about receiving 'light' as opposed to 'darkness', but also light as opposed to ‘heavy’, like a weight being lifted.

A relief.
Breathe easy. :sweatdrop:

I think you’re dragging something heavy here my friend.

Firstly, Lies? So?
Are we not honest truthseekers here?

As I've said before, Honesty is what gives me the right to be wrong - without being punished for it.

Shouldn't the deceiver be the one punished, not those who have been honest in their attempts to sort out what's been presented to them in their lives?


Secondly, you're saying time is running out?
Until what?

What's so big and bad that we should worry?
Is our 'eternal fate' at stake here? :lmfao:

This whole idea of some judge making a 'final' decision about us that will doom us to ...what?

Are you saying 'hell'?
Are you just saying we'll miss the next ascension wave passing through the galaxy?

I don't know what you really believe, but I don't believe any fate is eternal. Where'd the justification be for that?
Where's the logic behind it?
What point would it serve?

What loving Creator would enforce that?

If the consequences are not eternal, what does it matter?

Life is not a test. We don't pass or fail.

It all just adds experience.
Experience generates awareness.
Awareness builds to enlightenment.
Enlightenment is the liberation.
:thumb_yello:

If people here can pull off living a lovey dovey, happy fairyland life, without harming anyone else, why not?
More power to them.

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"Charity is really self-interest masquerading under the form of altruism.
There are two types of selfishness. The first type is when I give myself the pleasure of pleasing myself. That's what we generally call self-centeredness. The second is when I give myself the pleasure of pleasing others. That would be a more refined kind of selfishness. It is hidden, very hidden, and for that reason more dangerous, because we get to feel that we're really great.

A good is never so good as when you have no awareness that you're doing good.
The great Sufi would say, " A saint is one until he or she knows it."

Taken from the book, Awareness, by Anthony De Mello.

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Arcora...thank you for sharing your truth.

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A hungry person true does not care why they are being fed may I add that it is a selfless act in most cases. An act IMO that invokes ego would be one that would require any strings with it. I would say when one places conditions it becomes a service or type of behavior expected out of the person no longer an act of charity but an act of obedience or service requested. Two different types of what many call charity. Also when one gloats about such charity or brags it is no longer charity but an act that invoked self. One difference again my opinion if one tells the story to encourage others this changes it to disclosure and not ego tripping. Much has to do with intention of anything said or done.

Great thoughts on the cookies Acora I would have been thrilled for my mum or dad to have baked cookies or us to have done so together. After reviewing this thread and many of the posts I personally do not see many differences among the people involved here and elsewhere. Great to air this out in the open. Whatever pathway one chooses it is freely theirs to choose and does not really matter how they go about it really.

Love & Peace
Trish

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Priceless. Really.
Interesting read.

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Arcora?
Take a deep breath and relax. Balance is something that we all need to practice once in a while. It is called being in a neutral space.

Balance is not about balancing good and evil. Balance is about coming to that peaceful space within where thoughts become more cleared and not biased to one side or another. From that central space is where good decisions are made from the heart not from the [computer] brain.

The problems, as I see them, [remember my opinion not the gospel], is everyone's version of his/her truth varies from another's. Each, in turn thinks that they have the truth. Each do have the truth, for them, in their stage of development.

All truths and levels are normal and part of the process. When we are children, we believe certain things. When we are pre adolescents we think those things are childish. When we become teenagers we know that we know everything and everyone else is dumb [sleeping]. When we reach adulthood growing towards middle age then we begin to discover that we really don't know anything; and that everyday is a new adventure and lesson.
upon the planet. We are more open and tolerant of others, knowing full well that they too will learn. Now this example is not meant for literal physical age groups but for emotional evolutional groups, which in reality can be comprised of any physical age persons.

Summarily, no one doubts your faith or objects to your beliefs for you. It is just not their belief at this point in time and they do not want to be told what to do anymore than you want to be told what is right. Would it not be better to listen, acknowledge, and take what you need and leave it at that?

:original:Alexandra