David Icke and Reptilian ShapeShifters
 

Since I've gotten involved researching on this site, I've come across some people talking about the human race/other earth species being created by other ET beings. This sounds plausible to me.

What does anyone know or think of David Icke's theory that reptilian shapeshifters run this world?

Any truth to this statement?

I have to say that I had a past-life regression about 3 or 4 years ago. I think I was in the England area on a ship and I was in a big room filled with these winged demon-like gargoyle type creatures that you'll see on all sorts of buildings in England. I was one of these creatures. I have no idea if I was a shapeshifter or not, but I was fairly sure that I was one of these creatures. I have no idea what this meant.

Does anyone else have a clue?

Also, when I was reiki attuned about 7 or 8 years ago, I saw a huge white dragon. Any idea what this means?

Thanks for anyone's insight on this.

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David's book, "children of the matrix" was one of the first "fringe" books I had read, and I admit I thought he was nuts for a while

it wasn't until Alex Collier's interview in which he also discussed the reptilians that I actually gave that theory a chance, and investigated further

since then I have noticed that he has refined his theory a little to be more of a trans-dimensional ceremonial invited possession instead of a bunch of reptilian aliens running around wearing human disguises that occasionally "fail" especially the eyes

I have come to accept this as a possibility since then, I dont really "know" of course but if there are alien influences running things behind the scenes at the top of the pyramid of the elite, then this is a viable explanation

The Terra papers, Sitchen's annanuki, and Icke's interview with Credo Mutwa further solidified this theory for me

my only issue I have ever had with this theory is this:

if these reptilian aliens are far more technologically advanced than us...why haven't they had super advanced technologies dedicated to controlling us working for them from day one instead of just keeping pace with our own rate of technological advancement

there may be a logical reason for this, but I haven't heard it from the Icke books I have read

I'm sorry dragondweller I don't have the answers to your questions concerning your explorations to your past lives or the white dragon

but I do think that there are good reptilians as well as bad ones, just like any other species

I also recognize the possibility that none of this is true, to keep my mind open to other possibilities

peace

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Great white dragon, the archaic beast wearing a coat of light.

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My goodness. FINALLY, someone else on Avalon is speaking the same language...I'm currently reading "The David Icke Guide to the Global Conspiracy". My first read by DI. I also read a fabulous report of a 4-hour interview Credo Mutwa gave to another gentleman years ago. Fantastic information!

Please keep in touch. I have other leads, if you like. :original:

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There is a lot of different information out there about this reptile race... How alien they are is what seems to be the real question... It seems as though there is a debate as to whether or not they have been here on this planet as long as we have or maybe even before us ??????????????????????? There are a lot of theories to explore..... The interviews with Credo Mutwa are interesting... Nothing like tripping out on alien flesh and eating dead man hands to unravel a secret. We will definately find out the truth and I think it will be sooner instead of later...
If the **** hits the fan they will come out of their holes and say hello...

Just don't get your opinion from the movie SIGNS....Mel Gibson doesn't like them very much... Maybe they're nice... Think positive...

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Almost all - well - all - creation myths / religions involve reptiles, dragons, etc.

Think the devil and the snake in Eden....

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*shrug*

altered states of mind can easily mean altered frequency ranges, quite possible you tuned in to a frequency that allowed you to see beyond normal sight

or maybe you ARE a reptilian and he was just saying hi to a brutha :mfr_omg:

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Moving to Project Camelot General Discussion :original:

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Well there seems to be some science in the dna-activating thought...
Maybe the reptilians/hybrids really can/have learned to control the dna actions?

Anyways, I have read all his books and actually this reptilian theory is not originally his, but was told to him by multiple witnesses on his trips.

Also, Davis is really sound guy, seen him few times and he really can make his case :)
David's the man!

He's on internet tv EDGE on 23th or 26th Oct
check: http://www.edgemediatv.com/watchonline.html

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Who hasn´t. Don´t feel at home at all. This is a strange time and place.

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Yea I've always thought I must have made a wrong turn somewhere and ended up here on earth :naughty:


Good to know I'm not the only one that feels like this :)

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I had a big david icke phase years ago, but now i don't really believe people like george bush and kisinger are reptilian. I think many presidents and all these other key people do have ties with reptilian like beings and other races.

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I'm reading Icke's "Tales From the Time Loop" and he talks about "the matrix." Another theory is that these "reptilians" are simply a manifestation. Icke believes everything is an illusion. So we have created this existence, with certain concepts in place due to consensus reality. The reptiles are simply another facet of what we have manifested due to our fixated state in a five sense reality. We only trust what we see, hear, taste, smell, and touch.

The matrix feeds off of our energy, and the energy required is fear. So we give strength to the negative manifestations because we are so entrenched in all these states of fear. War, poverty, dis-ease, etc.

And also because the matrix gives the illusion of separation. We are not separated, we are ALL part of the One (Creator, god, call it what you want, it's where we all came from and where we're all going back to).

So whether the reptilians are literally an ET race or whether they're mutlidimensional manifestations of our collective consciousness, I guess is the debatable question.

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For me david Icke opened my eyes to the whole reptilian race.
Just walked into a book shop one day and the book the children of the matrix just literally fell off a shelf as i was browsing the paranormal section.
from then on i was hooked, couldn't get enough.

I have since had an abduction scenario with these beings, the reptiles being the most evil of races and ritualistic with their blood sacrifices etc; and energy extraction i feel these creatures are a terrifying species.

I found an old painting in Canterbury cathedral England, painted on a wall in the 14th century was a clear picture of a reptile being, in a human stance brandishing a type of weapon gave me all the evidence i needed.
If anyone wishes to see that pic look in my album under geroge my dog flick along to the ST Eustace painting to the top right hand corner, or you can go on the canterbury cathedral site and put ST EUSTACE in it will come up, you will see what i mean.

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Has anyone researched what Dan Burish, Thomas Castello, Phil Schneider, Credo Mutwa has said about reptilian-type creatures?

Anybody noticed how prevalent reptile-type creatures (dragons & such) are so common in myths & legends in all cultures throughout time? Look at various historical relics (pics, statues, mozaics, jewelry, paintings, etc.). How many are dragon or reptile oriented. :shocked:

The symbol for the medical profession consists of two intertwining snakes!

:nono:

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I don't recognize a lot of the people in my dreams. Almost as if I'm having someone else's dreams.

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If you haven't read about the reptilians in http://truthism.com/ ... it may surprise you.

Can't say I agreed with all of it... but, whatever.

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Please take the time to research these:
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.c...ripts_2006.pdf
http://cuttingthroughthematrix.com/t...Alan_Watt.html

I personally went through a few year phase where I was heavily into David Icke, and many other New Age sources, and thought I had "awoke". However, after many years, I now believe that David Icke whether or not intentional or not is giving out some truth to gather followers, while then distorting reality and mis-directing those people. As most would say "dis-information".

This is an extremely vast topic that I would like to recommend everyone check out Alan Watt at http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com for shortcuts to understanding and vast amounts of information regarding the subject at hand.

Alan Watt is someone who has been sabatoged by a member of the 9/11 truth movement just recently. He has been offered lucrative book deals if he would go along with the ufo, alien, or reptilian agenda, but turned them down. He is a man of integrity and in this world that means alot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7j0DKW6auU

I grabbed this paragraph from his interview linked above to try and introduce and generally desrcibe the information he presents:
"The biggest authorized players in the New Age are put out there to be heroes to lead you to massive confusion and they've been doing that for over 600 years now, that we can actually trace. They give you the heroes to oppose convention, but in reality it's to sway you into the next phase of conditioning for the next society, generally bringing in the fantastic with it. I've had so many people phone me up and email me about the reptilian people that they haven't seen. I'm fighting the bizarre and the Tavistock Instituted nonsense put out by the superstars generally from the UK, who, by the way, one of them phoned different stations and asked them not to have me on after sending me a bunch of nasty emails. Be careful. Be very, very careful. Guard the corridors of your mind d carefully . It's your most precious possession."


Here's some more detail for those interested,
A another tidbit from some of his presentation linked in the above pdf,
I will stress however that without fully understanding the vastness of the new age and culture creation industry, you may not completley digest the tid bit below properly:

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"The trick that’s been used in ancient civilizations was to convince the public that nothing was real at all, and once you convince them of that, you’ve dominated them because whatever you do to them doesn’t matter because NOTHING’S REAL and that’s the usual spiel of psychological warfare which is put out by certain individuals even today. By the power on behalf of the BIG BOYS.

It’s so easy to control vast civilizations and populations. Whenever you do anything them it doesn’t matter because nothing's real, IT’S ALL ILLUSION.

For those who simply want to ask endless questions about something they can never prove to their own satisfaction, I would suggest they go on, and follow the movement that was revived or resuscitated from Theosophy, a MASONICALLY RUN ORGANIZATION charted BY THE BRITISH CROWN to alter the world to come to the 20th Century. It’s faltered off through the scandals that came out afterward on Madame Blavatsky and the various frauds that she committed."

People are chasing all kinds of things today which are conjured up by communications industries and media and entertainment. They’re chasing phantoms you might say. Phantoms in the air, forms created purely out of imagination with cunningness of course, using archetypal type symbolism which everyone reacts to.

A good example is the reptilian agenda. It sold lots of books, started really with a series on television called "V," a well funded series about these creatures and UFOs of course coming down to Earth and under their partly human skin they’re actually reptile people who eat mice and rats and things. That prepared the ground work. As Albert Pike said, "we always lay the foundation first and then build on it."

Out eventually comes another man with his own interpretation of the Sumerian tablets. A unique interpretation that’s kind of laughed at by politer circles who have done more research than he has and who have no spin to take and then it’s built upon by other authors put out from the same sources who then build on it.

But the foundation is faulty. It’s the "V" you see. If you understand what the "V" symbol actually means you start to understand why they call things these particular names. The "V" series came first, put the foundation there of possibility thinking. Out comes the unique interpretation to build on it, then come the authors with repetition, repetition, repetition. They call that a form of psychic driving as they used in MKUltra, and of course they seem to thing it’s real by the much speaking as they say. The more they say it the more they become real.


Meanwhile, even on this website here, there are hundreds of emails coming in from people who are following Annunaki, reptilian people, the UFO’s and space aliens behind it. All this stuff has being put out over generations where they were inundated with science fiction and authors, specially chosen authors, high Masonic connections, to mesmerize the public and prepare their minds for this counterintelligence process; because the time comes during every great plan when enough people are awakened to the plan. The time always comes when a critical moment in the balance is reached, and those who implement the changes to come must counter it. That’s called counter-intelligence. You take the intelligence that’s been gathered by small people and you put out superstars, take that intelligence, they’re pushed to the very top, they become the leaders and then they spin it off into outer space. They diffuse it. They negate it. They render it harmless, you see, and that’s what counterintelligence does.


How did we get to a stage where so many adults in all walks of life and professions and jobs are so confused that they’re chasing Annunaki and reptilian people? How did this happen? How long does it take to prepare the peoples' minds to bring them to this stage?

In the Middle Ages the Catholic Church brought in all of the superstition and fears and ancient terrors of the unconscious nconscious mind— the stage, the rising sea of the unconscious , the place where all things can happen and are repressed and kept apart by the subconscious from the conscious. The raging sea where everything can happen, where people will do and see and experience things they would never ever have in their conscious state. That’s what dreams are made of, and nightmares.

It’s the creative source where things are pooled from and are rendered harmless once they reach the conscious stage; but to those who understand the forms of mind control to keep whole populations terrified, docile and obedient, and confused, the unconscious mind is a tremendous field of study. Those who brought religion into the world, and Europe, have all used these ancient techniques and the Catholic church in the Middle Ages had adorned all the ancient cathedrals with big, big money and generations it took to build up, an ongoing plan which covered generations for the stonemasons to build
each cathedral. During plagues, famines, wars and everything—this work kept going because it was a MUST-BE by the REAL POWERS BEHIND. They adorned these cathedrals and all public offices with gargoyles and the gargoyles were all of the ancient, ancient Middle Eastern terrors and fears
which had been dreamed up thousands of years before.

WHY CHANGE SOMETHING WHICH WORKS? THEY NEVER THROW AWAY
SOMETHING WHICH WORKS.

These gargoyles took the place or the form of DEFORMITY. Our whole language is to do with forming. They gave us cripples who are stunted in growth, the dwarfs, dwarfs with horns, dwarfs with tales like lizards, and that was the beginning of your reptilian types, until ultimately Old Nick or SATAN TOOK ON THE FORM OF PART-MAN PART-BEAST with the familiar horns, long tail and claws and so on. Something which was known to terrorize people and had been used thousands of years prior to the Middle Ages.

It had been used by the creators of even the Old Testament, which was written, remember, initially in the Greek language by priests who lived in Egypt. Study your history books. They had the stories of Lilith and you’ll find even the caricatures of Lilith with the same feet of eagle and sometimes they would put a tail on her and wings, a demonic type creature. This was used to very, very good effect in ancient Babylon. In fact you still see them being uncovered today and all of course the amulets to protect against the Lilith character.

In the Middle Ages they carried on the tradition in Europe and terrified the public, who were illiterate, remember. An illiterate public who COULD NOT EVEN READ any HOLY BOOK and who had this theology DICTATED by PRIESTS and BIG CHURCHES and CATHEDRALS where it was all lit up inside. It was bright; where outside there was forest and darkness and all the terrors of the night, which was your subconscious-unconscious mind. All the fears were left at the door. You walked past the gargoyles and these lizards and terrifying beings and you were inside the place of refuge where nothing could touch you.

How did we get to the Annunaki today? One of the biggest high Freemasonic writers put out to initiate Masonic stories to the public, casting spells over the public, was Arthur C. Clarke who did 2001 A Space Odyssey and 2010 back in the 1960's, but he’s lesser known for bringing out a book called Childhood’s End back in 1956. In this book, 1956, Childhood’s End, the world is invaded by all these flying creatures that come just one morning and man’s worst nightmare has materialized by these flying reptilian creatures who FORCE A HUMAN POPULATION INTO OBEDIENCE, deciding that was the only way to create a utopia.

Those who run the world often refer to their goal as the creation of a utopia for themselves. Arthur C. Clarke in that book prepared the way of the mind by preparing the soil with the idea of reptilians, taking over from the old Middle Age type Catholic church. This is followed up by authors that came out with their own particular take—and professors would call it "spin"—on decipherments of Sumerian tablets stating that the Annunaki came in and created two types of humans.

One type is to rule over the lesser, the slaves. The type that was to rule over the slaves was to have more reptilian blood in them and genes in them. In other words, CREATING AN ORDER. An ORDER is SOMETHING that’s meant NOT TO BE BROKEN because it BINDS THE MIND and so this author came out with his particular spin and mainly in the ‘90's.

Prior to that, Enemy Mine had come out, the movie, in ‘85, where a space man crashes on some planet and he’s at war with another race of people and who's the race of people? Well, they’re reptilian, and so this lonely space man finds his main enemy that he fights all over the planet is a reptilian who has also crashed there.

Reptilian has ALWAYS in the high esoteric understanding been a symbol of the opposite of the good nature within each individual.

If the kingdom of heaven is within you, then so is the kingdom of hell, and we can look around and we can always see which man and woman prefer to externalize.

You have Enemy Mine coming out, followed up by a Mr. Von Daniken who in the 1970’s came out with Chariots of the Gods and all across the major newspapers in the world was this spiel basically on Mr. Daniken and how he’d found these ancient rock carvings in South America of Indians almost riding these solar spacecraft, like motorbikes, amongst the stars, and little guys with bubbles in their heads, like a space man, and all this kind of stuff – and no one stopped to think

WHY WOULD THE MAJOR MEDIA BE PROMOTING THIS WITHOUT QUESTION?

When major books appear across the planet in major bookstores, the bookstores don’t come looking for the book. It takes big, big bucks to promote any author out there into the mainstream. PERMISSION IS GRANTED FROM ABOVE.

Mr. Daniken’s books sold like hotcakes because they were fascinating. Little bits of old puzzles and old stories were rehashed and mixed in with the Chariots of the Gods and "has earth been visited before by space men?" and this went on for quite a few years. He sold lots of books and followed them up in rapid succession, as these authors tend to do with their teams of writers, and ONE DAY IT WAS EXPOSED because one little journalist came out of Britain and went over to where he was supposed to have found these rock carvings and he FOUND A PEASANT WHO WAS PAID A FEW PESOS for each CARVING THAT HE COULD CARVE out of ROCK and Mr. Daniken fell from his chariot and hit the dust, but you can’t keep a GOOD LIE down, you see.

It was revised as I say with other authors and then Enemy Mine and then a series broke out in 1984, it actually came out in ’83, called "V". V is five in Roman Numerals. This is again the power of the Masonic code, the FIFTH RACE THEY call IT .

Maybe one day I’ll go into all of that. "V" was a television series, big production for television, 19 episodes, and once again the sky is full of space ships one morning and they’re all over the world and these quite beautiful creatures come out, very human looking, and it turns out underneath their little plastic skins they’re reptiles. Reptiles. I wonder where we get the idea of reptiles and why it keeps popping up. That’s how the SEED is PLANTED through DISINFORMATION, through big, big muses. You muse an idea through fiction and repetition into the minds of the public and that’s how you build a pyramid in your mind.

Prepare the soil. Plant the seed. Build on it generation by generation and the public will eventually be so bewildered and they’ll believe it that you can SPIN THEM OFF in any direction; and the more fascinating it is, the more the people unfortunately like it.

I can remember telling someone back in the ‘70's that Mr. Daniken had fallen from grace and the guy was ready to attack me because he wanted so badly to believe in it all. People would rather kill the messenger than face the truth when they’ve swallowed a BIG LIE.

Today people CANNOT TELL the difference between FACT AND FICTION. Their minds are so spun with entertainment, and amongst entertainment, I include the media that's supposed to give you what we call news. Your news today is HALF HOLLYWOOD. The HOLY WOOD, the casting of the spell, and the stars they give us to follow, the wandering stars.

And sport, circuses as Mr. Aldous Huxley said. Huxley said the reason the Roman Empire fell is because the ELITE couldn’t afford to keep giving the people enough bread and circuses and that’s what we have today while the new empire, the future, is underway with all of its plans published for those people who can plow through the dry non-entertaining books put out by the BIG BOYS themselves.

There’s no speculation involved but generally there’s no sex or gory violence there. There's quiet violence because they talk about CULLING OFF BIG CHUNKS OF THE POPULATION but they do it in the nicest possible hygienic way.

The "Alien" series with Sigourney Weaver was another series. Who was the bad one there? The terror out of her darkest dreams, why, it's a big sort of reptilian type creature. Boy, I wonder where these ideas come from.

Annunaki, Annunaki and yet the decipherment put out by one man laid the foundation for this mountain in the imagination which has take over the reality of so many people. As the SKIES ARE BEING SPRAYED WITH CHEMICALS EVERYDAY, they’re asking are the Annunaki doing this. That’s what they’re asking.

"Annu" even in Egyptian, and in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, was the spirit of the object or the door, the guide that takes them through the underworld—always was, always will be.

The spinners of reality into fantasy are backed by some very big agencies with a program and a plan to bring the public into a mental standstill. Because if you swallow the fact that they give you as fact, that, "well, you’re the bottom of the heap, you see, you were made, your ancestors were made to be slaves"—if you swallow that, PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE has PUT YOU UNDER.

The purpose of psychological warfare is to destroy a potential enemy before anything happens. That’s the purpose of it. If you believe that your ancestors were created by a bunch of walking crocodiles and you were made to be a slave and you can’t be the superior ones because they have more Annunaki genes in them than you do—then you’ve just ADMITTED that the GAME'S OVER FOR YOU, isn’t it?

Those people who are following all of this are the first ones to condemn and pooh-pooh all orthodox religion; and yet, here they are, devouring this stuff as eagerly as any novice monk of the Middle Ages devoured the stuff that was dished out to him.

WE’RE GOING THROUGH THE BIGGEST CHANGES that have happened, as Brzezinski said, since the BEGINNING of the INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION. In the industrial revolution, vast peoples were moved vast distances and off the land into these crowded cities that were thrown up as industrial towns and cities. Upheavals like you’d never imagine as they got forced off their land THROUGH LAWS and various other means; and now we’re all getting ready to be numbered and stamped like cattle, under the guise of some guy living in a cave in Afghanistan who's threatened to say "boo!" once too often. We’re going through this as a reality and people are chasing walking crocodiles
in their imagination.

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from cuttingthroughthematrix.com as well:

For those who wish information on Reptilian people, rather than waste my time, please check the entertainment sections of major bookstores or visit the local zoo and look up these particular categories: Crocodilia, Squamata, Rhynchocephalia, and Testudines. If the department head is in good form he may answer some questions, depending on how hot or cold-blooded he feels at the time, but generally he's a good egg. Don't show off your knowledge on the subject, because he may become green with envy and give you a watered down story. Failing that, have a hypnotist see if you're highly suggestible or ponder this profound statement by Adam Weishaupt:

"Oh, foolish man, what can you not be made to believe?"

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I have given this serious thought myself and William Cooper later in his years also thought he had been set up to spread dis-info concerning the info he came out with when he started. He suspect that he was shown documents and information on purpose as pat of some plot to keep people from a different truth.

My only defense in all of this uncertainly on what theories to devote time to and what to avoid is that I simply take it all in, record it and store it away without getting too emotionally attached to any of it. Some say that answers are limitations that simply inhibit the recognition of other possibilities.

This helps me alot because I can do research from various mental platforms and paradigms that conflict. It helps alot and even though I do get attached to some of it, I always accept that possibility that I am being manipulated and dis-informed.

That and it is fun HAH!

peace

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One of the first occult subjects I began researching a few years ago was the whole reptillian/shapeshifter theory.

I saw David Icke interview Arizona Wilder at about that time.
Here is the interview. Be warned though, as it is very dark subject matter.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...a+wilder&hl=en

I wasn't quite right for days after I saw this.

I did notice that Arizona said that prince charles would eventually marry camilla parker bowles. I've looked into the date that this video was made, and the earliest I could find was 2002 (it looks much older though). Even if it was made in 2002, that is three years before any media outlet had said anything about an actual marriage beween pc and cpb. Imo it adds a little credence to her story.


Lately though I have been thinking that this may have been a huge misunderstanding through time. Reptiles are cold blooded and mammals are warm blooded, so we must be at odds? Maybe that is the case, I suspect that I'll never really know though.

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:mfr_omg: Yestarday I was watching Larry King on CNN to get my daily hypnotism session in:mfr_lol: and I swear one of the guys who was a radio show host had yellow reptilian eyes with glasses on...it was so obvious to the point that it was like :nono: If anyone saw this guy on Larry King like I, tell me!

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good point on the cold blooded and warm blooded comparison. That thought never crossed my mind. Does anyone know if this has been addressed or not anywhere? I imagine that master geneticist could make it otherwise but that is just subjective speculation on my part. I also consider that these reptilian creatures may or may not even be related to our earthbound reptilian critters.

It is also interesting that we have a ton of dinosaurs bones depicting huge reptiles that are very large. Some of the reptilians are also very large. Credo says 12 feet on some, Collier says 22 feet tall and very heavy on others. Maybe there is a connection there too.

I also recall Wilder stating that Zacharia Sitchin was present at a ark mass ceremony and was a member of the Illuminati. Compared to other comparative research done on the Annanuki I have found that Sitchin's works meshes well with the Terra Papers and Icke's theories baring some of his later books as well as Nibiru itself. The Vatican has made an effort to convince us all that planet X is real and maybe headed this way. Perhaps there is a connection there.

One of the problems I have had with all the mining for gold and other minerals was also revealed by Steven Greer when he questioned it as I did. We are close (perhaps even masters) to converting one metal to another like the old alchemy attempts to turn iron or led to gold, which is also revealed as a esoteric metaphor for the ascension process.

Why would an ancient race, far more scientifically advanced then perhaps we are even today, who may or may not have been responsible for the building of the pyramids (RA says this was done by the Atlantians though) as well as other monolithic structure on the earth, yet need some primitive race to "help" them get the gold out of the ground. I would be very interested in this explanation.

anyways...good stuff and very fascinating and something defiantly is going on with this reptilian race as it just keeps popping up everywhere in the conspiracy spectrum.

peace

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On the subject of reptilians.... I answerd a thread where the question was asked about the "Fallen Ones" in the bible... maybe being able to pose as light beings in crafts and land and fool us... I've cut and pasted my take on it which is to do with reptillians (The Draco)

To answer this the answer is yes... There are renegade factions in from the pleiadian sector as well Sirious.... and Draco.. as well as highly eveolved light beings and physical beings of extremely high intent who are watching us and helping us in ways that doesn't interfear with our group consiousness evolution...The main groupe that ,if my understanding is correct, the fallen ones refers to is ("The decent in to third dimentional matter") is a group from Orion who somehow lost their Kundalini DNA blood fire... which is some sort of light implosion in our DNA maitrix which is activated through emotion and compassion. This is our "soul" energy... I have read that they lost this soul fire and in this their souls and have tried to remain imortal in third and fourth dimensions through technolegy...and the ingestion of an alchimical substance made form powderd gold...That they came to earth to mine... they live for sometimes hundreds of thousands of years... they can not asscend in to the higher dimentions. There is a whole process of Enki (Who's mother was a reptilian Orion Queen) mixing his kundalini fire infused DNA with the human worker they bred to mine the gold. Becuase not all Draco lost their soul infussed DNA, just the fallen ones... as we humans are a mixture of I think 22 alien races...with our main frames reptilian...we carry the DNA of the suoless ones ( Enlil/Yaweh was one of the souless ones) as well as those with Kundalini fire in thier DNA. The Dracco's with soul were broken hearted at the loss of their fallen brothers but saw them as a lost cause.. The fallen ones have been trying to recapture their soul energy by eating human flesh and drinking our hormone soaked blood in order to try and ingest our kundalini... (Hurmones are linked to emotion which is the key to this soulfire )and regain their soul energy... They are now trying to storm the higher dimentions through technolegy... but our emotions are vital to the Dracco..and we radiate back our emotions through our Enki DNA to the Dracco who are not the fallen ones... as well as other races who have infused their DNA codes in to ours.This is powerfull to them in that the love and empathy as well as the fear and pain we feel is absorbed and experianced by them..

The fallen ones need to keep us in the vibration of fear as it keeps them charged and it keeps us anchored in the third dimention ... and in their controle. they feel as they engenered us ,that we are their posesion... We can escape them and the third dimention by the asscention process.... But yes they can appear as beings of light on the astral plains and there is supposedly a fake renigade Ashtar command or Galactic federation that is dark posing as light..as well as a genuine galactic council . I personally would not board the first ships that land... Even with a Jesus him self on bord.. Suppsed plan for holographic projection jesus/ bhudda et all... Then there is the fact that the fallen ones need to keep us here in third dimention to keep trying to capture our soul energy. They were on this planet before us and view it as theirs... Which is understanable. We have needed thier negitiive pull and fear vibrations to pull us in to the deep 3D experiance and so really awaken our soul energy by finally transmuting fear and understanding the dark. When we finally awaken our Enki soul fire...or Kundelini and riase it through our crown chakera's and ignite our true blazing heart energy... We have completed our mission and completed the earth experament succesfully, the whole galaxy and universe is affected...

Earth is in a veryi mporatant position and by showing that all these diiffernt spieces DNA can finally asssend to higher and higher dimentions until we are all co-creating universes together/ How we elvolve on Earth will affect all the speices back where ever they are in the universe.. Mass exudus in ET Ships would be like aborting the mission.... mass inervention or rapture up in to space ships is not the solution and I believe it would halt our evolutionary process... I think we need to want to go down with this ship (Earth) in order to vibrationally go up. The bible story of the fallen angels doesn't tell the half of it... and the old testament was written by followers of Enlil any way... So it will be pretty deceptive and biast against Enki and not very liberal with the truth... but each faction even the dark Reptillian one, is doing what it believes it needs to do... Even the illumanati believe they are the only ones who are smart enough to rule the earth and it's their job. "The trouble with the devil is he doesn't know he's the Devil...he thinks he's God", ...

I am fascinated to think how so many different agenda's with different sought out comes are all comming together and cullminationg in something amaizing if we Earth humans/mungrel/living united-nations of a spieces who is the key to some sort of universal evolution do succeed. Hell may litteraly freeze over as they say as we just might, with out realising it, bring the dark ones back in to the light and help them regain their soul fire by accepting unconditional love.... or there is a possiblity of a lot of people and tyranical entities being trapped in third and lower astal dimentions . Not so good for any of us or them....Only they don't realise that. But it's hard to know who's who and who to trust? I certainly am with you there... any how all that I have just said is what I've come to understand it's just one perticular take on the whole thing ... I hope I have been of some help... even if you want to diisagree with my view... it will polorize your own views and ideas.... As long as we are al lthinking and asking questions... we are getting somewhere...
Keep asking questions and keep those amaizing hearts of yours blazzing...

I also have a familly blood line that is deeply reptillian and RH Neg blood... I have a spirit guide or a connection with a reptillian being who is female and gives me amaizing advice and her vibration is full of love and healing intent for me her and the whole mess we are slowely getting our selves out off... I was weary about her at firsr but she has proved to be of the utmost integrety and high intension...I had read all the David Ike books so I presumed that all reptilians were dark and bad... but I had the fascination with them I would imagine due to my DNA...that i was an easy canditit for controle... I thought OMG... here's one trying to cagole and fool me... I was gobsmacked when I read all that she had told me later in pages by a guy called Dan Winter ... and Steweret Swedlow.and the website Temas Paraciencia. She said she was from an ancient Dragon mother goddess cult back on Orion and had been working with my soul for many life times and felt like some sort of maternal link thruogh DNA... She was working at healing a rift through the tiny black holes or interdimentional links in the crystiline maitrix of both our human and reptilian DNA wich linked experiance and emotions....

She absorbed my emotional expeariances and in return sent me wisdon and explination of the universe and struggles between Dark and light polarities...

She explianed our quest here on Earth to transmute the Dark and raise the vibration was imperitive not just for us here on Earth but for this entire section of the universe... any how so much she told me and then when I went on to open books and web-pages and read all she told me, was so exciting, as I thought thank God...Im not going mad and imagining her......

here's some pages of interest
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...anwinter08.htm
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...anwinter05.htm
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...anwinter07.htm
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...anwinter09.htm
http://www.light1998.com/OSIRIS/Blac...t-of-Orion.htm


Then I watched a video by a guy called George Kavassilias... I think called galactic federation of light... (Yes one one of the many!!!! real and not real)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kPs8tYvSG4

and this seemed to back upa lot of the info and explain...what went on way before humans were in the universe... And why the reptillians think they are the main event... not us etc...


hope this can shed some light... and you can make upyour own minds


peace Love and Lght Antonia :original:

Re: David Icke and Reptilian ShapeShifters
 

"For those who wish information on Reptilian people, rather than waste my time, please check the entertainment sections of major bookstores or visit the local zoo and look up these particular categories: Crocodilia, Squamata, Rhynchocephalia, and Testudines."

I couldn't (chose not) to finish reading what you wrote. It was just TOO verbose. I'm open, but GET TO THE POINT, man. My view is NOT set in stone. It's open to change as my enlightenment changes.

Thanks, for your input, anyhow.

Re: David Icke and Reptilian ShapeShifters
 

For the record, I stated my basic point right off the bat in my post, and then went on to post a bunch of detail and information out of some of alan watt's research that reflects my opinions, that last little bit you quoted is just a comment displayed on the front page of alan's website. in actuality he has tonnes of information debunking reptilians/annunaki, but that bit of text is just to make the point that the reptilian-theory is disinformation.

Re: David Icke and Reptilian ShapeShifters
 

Doom, / mood.... so, you are using Alan Watts logo as your avatar...

Does Alan not believe in any ET's at all?
Whatt , it's just .... us humans ? !?!

How does he explain our recent near exponential technological leaps without any benefit of reverse engineering, just to grossly simplify the argument.

Anyway, what lucrative book deals did the poor guy miss out on , and besides, what would he spend it on? Another shack behind his shack?

I know ol Watty was not asked back to Redice Creations, but I hardly think there was a mega / multi blockbuster deal kiboshed because he would not tow the reptilian line .
If Alan Watt does not believe in aliens, and you believe in Alan Watt, watt are you doing here?

Actually, I admire the roll-call of NWO facts he has at his command, it's a very good overview of the human aspect of the power structure.
But it aint enough.

Re: David Icke and Reptilian ShapeShifters
 

Yes I use Alan's logo as my avatar, great isn't it :D . Of course Alan has mentioned that he there is obviously life elsewhere than earth, that doesn't mean aliens are here or involved in any way with life on earth.

All of this stuff is culture creation, heavily pushed by the mainstream media. In art, movies, fictions of all kinds, etc.

And by the why, it is not that I "believe in Alan's work", it is that Alan has pointed me onto research that I have done for myself that goes beyond the typical conspiracy stuff, the patriot movement, the ufo alien agenda, etc. and shows that all of those movements have been set up, culture creations used to control population.

They know there are portions of people that are going to rebel and they have set up many leaders and cultures for the people to group those people into.

They mix fact with fiction to the point people can't tell the difference.

Broadly put, the UFO movement is heavily funded by the rockafellar foundation, and if you look into all of this stuff, it all has origins that are set up from the top down, by such organizations, as well as the CIA/Mi5/Mi6.

This stuff all goes back to Crowley, and Blavatsky...

Anyways, Alan's altercation with Red Ice should be fairly exopsed by now.
Alan's side of the story, is basically that Red Ice, Michael Tsarion, David Icke, and Chris Everard all know each other and work together. He was offered a book deal and some DVD deals by some of the same people that carry David's work etc. But they told him he had to go along with the alien and reptilian agenda. He told them "No, I know you work for Mi5 and worship your hero Crowley". Or something to that sort. Since then he mentions he has been shunned by Red Ice radio, and received threatening emails.

He also mentions that some of his friends tested David quite a few years back one time when he was in Toronto I believe. They practiced all the masonic handshakes etc. from a book before hand and when they went to meet Dave after some lecture or something they gave him all the masonic handshakes and symbols and what not and he knew them all and returned them all.

Who's side of the story you want to go is up to you, it matters not really.
The truth is in the evidence I say. And I'm not hear to "debunk UFO's and cosnpiracies", but we have to work together to sort out fact and fiction. I'm not saying I'm right, and there's no possibility that I'm wrong. But we have to base truth on evidence not possibility. That's "possibility think", a general condition of the new age, if you think anything is possible, you can be made to believe anything.

You asked why I'm here if I don't believe in UFOs. Well, first of all, I have believed in them basically my whole life since I was very young, and in the last few years only have I come to change my mind.

I've been researching the alien agenda my entire life even to the point that when I was a kid I went through a short phase of being afraid to sleep at night because of fear of abduction. I also even wrote a letter back some 15 years ago to the Arch Bishop (we had to write a letter to him for the christian confirmation sacrament - my parent's made me since they were christian and I went to a catholic school, but I never really was christian and am not anymore, I'm not anything anymore, not atheist, not anything, though I do believe in spirit... but anyways this just all goes into another subject and we don't need to get off track at this moment). And at the confirmation mass, the archbiship singled me out in front of the entire congregation, saying "this one boy wrote to me somethnig quite rare, I've had many letters of children who want to be astronauts, but this one wants to be a UFOlogist". Everyone at the church in the congregation laughed at me. So anyways, my point is that I think at least I am qualified to have an opinion on the subject.

But now that I've studied the new age and culture creation and relized that this stuff was set up for us to believe to distort reality, I've become much more skeptical. I've done much research since that disproves alot of the previous information I had. You have to keep an "open mind", but not too open, it has to be on guard.

And I'm always open to any evidence, I want to get all sides of the story. I believe there may be UFO's but just not alien's driving those UFOs, and that they are not reverse engineered from crashed alien aircraft, but simply built by us. Secret advanced technology has always been kept hidden from the public throughout all ages. There is no need for "aliens" to explain the technology we are seeing. As well, you can read all of this stuff in many works of the elites, for example, you get hints at such in a book by Zbignew Brezisnki, when talks about the 'Technotronic Era' in Between Two Ages. He talks here bout technology far in advance of what was and is known that will be used on populations in the future.

BTW, My username Doom, is just my nickname in real life. As a kid I was called "Dune Bugy" because I was so fast, which then was often miss pronounced as "Doom Bugy", which later evolved into just "Doom" for short.

Re: David Icke and Reptilian ShapeShifters
 

Yes, me as well. But I wouldn't say it is fun. It is a Tragic Comedy. Take it all in, all sides of the stories, and then try to make sense of it. Though, it is truly difficult not to be bias. Fantasy intrigues us and draws us in. Many are even into this stuff for the entertainment factor alone, like you said, the fun. Although I know there is a large portion that are genuine, even myself, I was heavily into believing the alien agenda, because like many others who are genuine, I wanted to know the truth, and in wanting to know the truth, like you said, you become a target for dis-information and can easily be lead to fall into some belief/culture set up from the top down for us. Very few people will make it through "waking up" mentally intact. Psychological Warfare runs rampant in these types of areas of study, obviously to obscure the truth, and mix fact with fiction to the point that people do not know what to believe.

Re: David Icke and Reptilian ShapeShifters
 

Here is some supporting evidence for the hypothesis that the alien issue is a fraud

William Lyne has written 3 books and his contention is that advanced technology has been hidden since the late 1800s and that the UFO phenomenon has been generated to keep the public in the dark about what the GOV has been doing with advanced technology. He has also done some interviews concerning the Nazi UFOs and Free Energy. Whether you agree with him or not the information is still quite compelling.

Pentagon Aliens

Occult Science Dictatorship: The Official State Science Religion and How to Get Excommunicated

Occult Ether Physics: Tesla's Hidden Space Propulsion System and the Conspiracy to Conceal It

Here also is a hour long interview of him on the 33rd Parallel show called “Nazi UFO’s - How They Fly”

His work reminded me of how many alien/flying saucer movies hit the theaters during the 1950s and here is a small list of some that were popular.

For the sake of balance I will also add that the UFO phenomenon is not limited to the 20th century at all and his theory in no way explains why we see them thought history from petroglyphs to great works of art.

Ancient UFO paintings

UFO File – Ancient Aliens

History Channel’s - UFOs and the Bible

peace

Re: David Icke and Reptilian ShapeShifters
 

Doom...I have read your postings and admire your perceptions for the most part...
You appear to be a big fan of Ziggy...Zbigniew...just observing the fact...no offence meant...
It is true that the paranormal...ufo's, reptilians, etc. has and is being used to full advantage by the media disinformation network and those who wish to subdue, dumbdown and exercise mindcontrol techniques against the sheeple. Many of us on this forum are aware of that.
Just yesterday I experienced on the tube a subliminal manifestation that could only be described as reptilian (on a American channel...I am Canadian).

I would like to refer you to Antonia's comments on this thread and get your take and observations from what she has to say before I elaborate on a personal experience which happened to me in 1994.
I say this because as you say..."I don't want to waste your time".
Starlah
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Anything that is not impossible, is mandatory!....Michio Kaku

Re: David Icke and Reptilian ShapeShifters
 

wow you should start reading here : http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread403743/pg1 a lot of interesting info there. You might wanna catch up on your alien history...and when i saw your avatar I :mfr_lol:'ed . Sorry mate but you might wanna do your own research. People that rely on others for their own beliefs are just like those that watch television. :smoke:

Re: David Icke and Reptilian ShapeShifters
 

I think he saw one to many episodes of V. Remember V, same story.

Re: David Icke and Reptilian ShapeShifters
 

I have read some of David Icke's work and there is one thing that troubles me a little.....

Along with his motto 'Problem-Reaction-Solution' David rightly warns people not to be 'Repeaters' - which I guess means not to absorb information from the media, accept it as fact and pass it on. On this much we are agreed:original:

My concern is that I don't think David has actually seen anyone shape-shift but appears to take his information from others.

Admittedly, I haven't read much of his work - I've mostly watched him on video so perhaps someone on this forum will be able to correct my assumption that David has not personally witnessed a reptillian shape shift:original:

Re: David Icke and Reptilian ShapeShifters
 

Nothing new there, seen all that info before many times. I've done all my research for myself and have personally studied all the "alien history" for many years. Like I said I once was a believer myself. I don't rely on any one else's beliefs or opinions - I make my own based on my own personal research. did you even read my posts? I find it insulting that you have told me to do my own research after reading what I have said(if you even did) because I have, and I try to research ALL sides of the story. And these are the conclusions I currently have, always open to learning more, but I think perhaps it is you who should seek out more information for yourself about how the UFO movement, and "alien history" is a culture creation, and not factual. believing aliens are here is a fairly mainstream belief, and has been perpetuated and supported heavily by the mainstream media. Watch Larry King's epsiodes on UFOs, and watch how the mainstream pushes both the debunkers AND the UFO/alien supporters. They want you running in circles that lead to know where.

At least respect my opinions. You know, it is possible that we have each studied much of the same alien agenda information, and yet came to a different conclusions. You have to respect that. I would understand you're post if I was some typical "debunker" who hadn't actually looked into any of this, but that's just not the case.

Re: David Icke and Reptilian ShapeShifters
 

many years ago, david was sitting in a hotel room when he first encountered the beings that gave him the information. he called out to them saying he knew they were in the room with him, but to no avail. he was then getting spiritual healing for his artheritis by a healer and on his 2nd session she started to channel the messeges from the from these beings to say that he was not ready for contact. this is when he started thinking maybe he was the chosen one, which many people have thought when they have had contacts. as time went on he eventually got into hisintuition and started to get full info on the reality of this world. and the reality is multidimensional beings controlling certain bloodlines. did u see the funeral of the queen mother? she was a short person/lizard but her coffin was twice the size of her! maybe when they die they convert back to lizard form. ever wondered why they have such long robes? maybe when they change back to lizard form the robes actually fit properly. i personally think that these lizards came from mars after they destroyed it the same way they are destroying this planet. search google for the cydonia on mars to washington dc layout. surprisingly the mouments on mars are exactly the same locations as they are on the washington dc plan of the city!

http://www.startinglinks.net/cydonia...0OF%20CYDONIA/ ....for animated gif!
http://projectavalon.net/forum/pictu...pictureid=4091 ....for layout keys!

Re: David Icke and Reptilian ShapeShifters
 

From Alan's FAQ on his website:
http://cuttingthroughthematrix.info/questions.html

I think the reason
you wont go near aliens is because you cannot go there,
as you can't explain them. You might start losing
audience unless you start addressing these issues
instead of just avoiding them, people will think you are
just blowing air. Lots of people are aware of
masons/black popes etc.

Alan: I knew all this stuff long before ___________ was heard of. I
came to speak the truth, not what is popular. Jesus was
crucified and jeered by the same mob because he didn't go the
popular way of a sword wielding messiah. Truth is always
crucified because the public doesn't want it. I could say way
more about an alien agenda than the popular stuff being
spewed out there, but it would not help stop the associations
and combinations (of men) who are plotting without the help of
any aliens to take us all down. The purpose of psychological
warfare is to have you counting your toes or gazing at the night
sky looking for aliens while you're all dying of viruses and
bacterium made by men in laboratories, paid by men in big
office towers, who associate with big elite associations of men
who have annual meetings. If I wanted to fascinate the people
and be popular, I could spin you the most beautiful tales you'd
ever hear and churn a book out every two weeks. It might not
help you but it would be giving you what you want.




Alan, you are great at explaining the Problems in society.
Can you give a talk about solutions? And arguing about
reptilians is childish. Fighting with ________ about
details is stupid, there is much more at stake here. The
main point is there is a group (Reptilian, Masonic or
Both) that is controlling this world. How do we win this
battle … We can find out if your version or __________
version is true later. Tales from the Croc Pot is not
about solutions … It’s about EGO. Drop the EGO and
let's focus on solutions. Anyone who presents problems
without solutions is not credible.

Alan: We've got to eliminate the crocodiles because apparently
they're running all over the place. Part of the solution again is
to expose the control and the control techniques which includes
psychological warfare, which has many people spinning into
outer space. The solution is for each individual to decide. If
the system is corrupt from top to bottom, how can you save it,
and would you want to save it, or like most people do you want
time to stop with everything you know intact and simply go no
further? I've been deluged with New Agers who've swallowed
every piece of candy on the bookshelves and their solution is to
stare down holes like Mt. Shasta for an answer, try and make
piece with the reptiles, or accepting the "fact" that the
commoners are a lower slave made DNA type of reptile,
therefore there's nothing you can do. Meanwhile all the little
unknown people who've been doing all the serious research
have it spun into outer space and discredited by psychological
warfare techniques. The oneness movement was put out there
by the top of the establishment for the establishment's sake.
People are divided by all religions including the New Age
Religion, the Space Age Religion and the Lord Of The Rings
Religion. The only ones who have their names on documents
regarding the New World Order and its agenda were conceived
and born the same way as everybody else. Until the public
demand a say in their own destiny and demand the
associations to which every public servant belongs be made
available, then these agendas will steamroll on. Why would
anyone give power of law over one-self to someone or
hundreds who've sworn allegiance to a secret agenda? Just
like with the FTAA, NAFTA, GATT, SOA, the public know by the
effects years after the deals have been signed into law. We
are only now seeing the effects of the next stage. America is
asleep. No one can argue they didn't notice the unification of
Europe and the subjugation of once national governments to
that of minor provinces. Where were the people of America
while all that was going on? And check the most popular books
of that era. Yes, counter-intelligence works very well.

PS - You mentioned there is a group (reptilian, masonic or
both) that is controlling this world. Who's been mining your
mind?

Re: David Icke and Reptilian ShapeShifters
 

can I get a link to your source on this, I don't believe I have this info in my David Icke archives


thanks


peace

Re: David Icke and Reptilian ShapeShifters
 

Here's a link to David Icke's site.
http://www.davidicke.com/index.php/

He was on channel 200 earlier, and when he was asked a question about Blossom Goodchilds prediction, aliens, ufo,s and the Galactic Federation of light. His answer was, "there is a project called Blue-Beam", "it's possibly". Then went on explaining what blue-beam is all about.

My throughts excactly after the non show on the 14th. And there is quite a bit of activity amongst hierarchy and the military at the moment.

Re: David Icke and Reptilian ShapeShifters
 

I think this is in essence what Icke is saying. We ARE someone else's dream, or, in the current scenario, nightmare. But unplugging from the matrix, and gaining back our own dreams, involves confronting our deepest fears and often leaving behind people we love. This is something Icke spoke about in Santa Clara recently.