Zeitgeist Adddendum - A Critical Analysis (for the sake of balance)
 

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ZEITGEIST ADDENDUM - A CRITICAL REVIEW
© 2008 by G. Edward Griffin 2008 OCTOBER 9

Hello Mr. Griffin. I'm sure you have heard of the popular movie on the internet, Zeitgeist. It had three separate parts about Christianity being fake, the Federal Reserve being a conspiracy and bad, and that the government was involved in 9/11. Well the sequel just came out, Zeitgeist Addendum, and it seems very dangerous. This movie screams controlled opposition/false solution propaganda more than anything I have ever seen.

The movie starts off with why the Federal Reserve is bad. It seems to latch onto valid concerns that the freedom movement/Ron Paul supporters have been worried about. But its solution is really, really bad and is already sending a lot of people in the wrong direction. It goes on to say that money is evil and has caused every problem in the world. If only we abolished all money and private property everything would be great. All resources should collectively belong to all humans of the world. Intelligent management of resources and technology could allow everyone to be free. The world would turn into some utopia. All crime would go away and greed and corruption would go away. We should be a one world community. It even specifically says that voting for liberty candidates like Ron Paul is the wrong thing to do. I guess we should give up all hope and let bad politicians do whatever they want to us.

It is full of doublespeak, wild assumptions, and crazy socialist propaganda. It also put in more about how religion is bad. I am convinced this thing was specifically made to stop the liberty movement from achieving anything. It puts in just enough truths that we believe in to trick people into following the wrong path.

I think statements about what is wrong with this film from liberty organizations like Freedom Force International would do a lot of good and would prevent some people from going in the wrong direction. Some people might think the best idea is to just ignore it and it will go away. But it appears to be incredibly popular online and gaining support. Even the most popular Ron Paul website posted the video. And the most popular Ron Paul message board has three threads with hundreds of posts talking about it. Here is the video link.
Jonathan, 2008 Oct 6

REPLY FROM EG:

Jonathan, I don't like to criticize anything that is helping to spread the truth about the Federal Reserve and 9/11 but I must agree with the substance of what you have said about this video. I watched it two nights ago and was deeply disturbed by its message. At first, I thought it would be best to just let it play itself out in expectation that most viewers would cross it off as whacky. However, the production value is high, the effects and sound score are compelling, and there is enough truth embedded in the beginning to capture the attention and possibly the trust of many within the freedom movement. So here are my comments on a few items of concern:

1. The information about the Federal Reserve is, for the most part, right on target. However, I practically fell out of my chair when the program repeated that old, silly argument about the Fed not creating enough money to cover the cost of interest on debt; and, therefore, the world must forever be in debt. I knew right there that the writer did not read The Creature from Jekyll Island or, if he did, he forgot my analysis of this common myth. For those who are interested in that topic, it is fund on pages 191-192 of The Creature.

2. The next jolt came when the program praised Civil War Greenbacks, calling them debt-free. Actually, Greenbacks were contrary to the U.S. Constitution and, although they were not fiat money issued by the banks, they were fiat money issued by the government. That was better than paying interest on nothing to bankers, but they still wiped out the purchasing power of American money through massive inflation. They can not correctly be called debt-free, either, because they represented debt on the shoulders of the government, which means, of course, on the shoulders of the taxpayers. It never ceases to amaze me how people think that the solution to money created out of nothing by those big, bad bankers is to have money created out of nothing by those nice, trustworthy politicians. Yet, that is what this program supports.

3. There is a lengthy segment in which the author of I Was an Economic Hit Man, John Perkins, tells the story of how propagandists in the U.S. manipulated public opinion to support military action against several Latin American countries. Then Perkins says that these propagandists scared Americans by telling them that the leaders of these countries were Marxists who were aligned with the Soviets. This, of course, is a half truth that is just as dangerous as a total lie. It is true about the propagandists and their strategy to scare the public into supporting military intervention in those countries, but it is false to portray those dictators as great humanitarians who cared only for the well being of their people. That is total bunk. They WERE aligned with the Soviet Union and they WERE part of a Marxist/Leninist strategy to dominate Latin America; a strategy that continues to this day.

There was plenty not to like on both sides of that struggle, but objective historians would never depict the Rhodesians (the CFR crowd in the U.S.) as bad guys but depict the Soviet puppets as good guys. In his book, Perkins reveals this same slant. He exposes the foul tactics of international corporations, the IMF, and World Bank, but he never mentions a Leftist dictator, such as Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez without praising them. Perkins is a collectivist aligned with the Left, and that strongly influences his telling of this story. Yet the producers of the video make no mention of this bias and give him an inordinate amount of time to present his slanted view without challenge.

4. Perhaps the biggest insult to our intelligence is the main theme of the program. It is that profits are the root of all our problems today. That being the case, we must change mankind to reject profit and we must work together on some other basis. It is never quite clear what that basis is, but, whatever it is, it will be administered and directed by an elite group, at least in the beginning. I was stunned by the fact that this is pure Marxism. Mark theorized that people had to be re-educated (in labor camps, if necessary) to cleanse their minds of the profit motive. He and his disciples, such as Lenin and Stalin and Khruschev, said that, eventually, the character of man would be purged of greed, and then the state would wither away because it no longer would be needed. Sure! We saw that in the Soviet Union and China, right? Yet this Marxist nonsense is exactly what is offered in this video program. It is Communism without using the name.

The profit motive is neither good nor bad. It can be applied either way depending on social and political factors. The desire for profit is merely the desire to be compensated for our labor, our creativity, our knowledge, or even for our risk. Without profit, very little would be accomplished in the world - not even if everyone spent a few years in labor camps to be re-educated. It is a basic part of man's nature and is the mainspring of human progress, as Henry Grady Weaver described it in his book by that same title. Throughout history, whenever man lived in a system that allows him to be rewarded for his work, there has been great productivity and abundance. By contrast, where social engineers gained control of the state and restricted people from receiving the fruits of their labor, productivity fell, and scarcity was the norm.

The profit motive functions differently in different political systems. In a free system where government does not intervene in the market place, the profit motive always will manifest itself as competition, each person or each company trying to deliver better quality products and services at lower prices. That was how it used to be in the early days of America, and that is what led to the greatest outpouring of productivity and abundance the world has ever seen. However, in a collectivist system where government controls every conceivable aspect of economic and commercial activity (the system that now exists in America), the profit motive always manifests itself as a quest for political influence and laws to favor one group over another. The net effect is to eliminate competition in the market place. Under collectivism, success is achieved, not by creating better products and services for less cost, but by controlling legislators and government agencies. It is a system of legalized plunder, as Frederic Bastiat called it in his famous treatise, The Law. Unfortunately, it is the system that dominates most of the world today.

Zeitgeist Addendum ignores this reality. At one point the narrator even says that the greatest evil in the world today is "the free enterprise system." That's an incredible statement, especially inasmuch as the free enterprise system has been dead for several decades. It lives in name only. The whole world now is in the grips of non-competitive monopolies and cartels that have forged partnerships with governments. All of the evils to which this program alludes are the result, not of the free enterprise system, but of the abandonment of free enterprise and the adoption of collectivism. This program creates a mythological boogeyman and then advocates more of the very thing that has brought us to the mess we are in today.

The enemy of mankind is not profit. It is a political system of big government. Yet, this program is supportive of some of the most notable big-government collectivist on the planet. Marxist/Leninists may be enemies of collectivists in Washington, DC, but they are collectivists in their own right. The Communist model is no better than the Nazi model.

There is much more that could be said about other program topics such as technology supposedly being our salvation, about the a future world in which no one has to work, and about common ownership of land, oceans, natural resources, etc. but, for the most part, these merely are sub issues to the ones already described, so I will spare my readers the pain of further discourse.

In summary, this program does NOT offer a cure. It offers a mega dose of the disease itself.

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who financed this film ?

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Edward G Griffin is the very person that woke me up.
I find he is one of the most knowledgeable people around.

Thanks for sharing his review.

@Tolga - I can't answer your question about finances, but according to Alex Jones the person who made the movie is a NY film director who is not using his
real name...

Here is Alex's review:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyQtN4HY4Ko&sdig=1

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Thank you for the article/letter peacelovinman.

In the title you say "(for the sake of balance)", but I think this issue is more important than that.

I think for all of our own sake's, we should scrutinize this film as much as anything that enters our personal research, especially since the film advocates that we act now.
I watched the film a day or so after it's release. I was impressed w/ the first forty min. of monetary system analysis, although after researching it's claims and now reading this article from Mr. Griffin, it's becoming clear that there are significant holes there too.

Somethig Richard Hoagland often says, is very relevant here, I think:
"The lie is different at every level"

There are good ideas in Zeitgeist Addendum that I have been employing for years. i.e; I beg and plead w/ anyone I meet, that is contemplating joining the military, to consider any other option.

I was alarmed to hear the film link all work to some sort of tedious factory assembly line. Indeed those types of jobs exist, and mainly to serve the greater benefit of the PTB, but humans are creative and in my opinion we are here (earth) to create. It is rewarding to create a business that serves your nieghbor and yourself.

The film also seems to assert that preying personalities and agendas are not part of human nature. While many of us are good people, can we all say that we never consider possible beneficial avenues presented to us, that may take advantage of unwhitting parties? We may never act on those considerations, but the possibility exists because we have free will.

It seems this film wants to subdue free will in the name of what's best for humanity. I realise that this inculdes saving inocent victims from a drunk driver by shutting down his/her car before they can do harm. But who says you're drunk before your car is shut down? A computer. But who programs the computer? Some unseen human authority.
This is a very slippery slope and at the bottom, is you, controlled omnipotently for the "greater good of humanity".

Here is the first third of the Alex Jones take on Zietgiest Addendum. This is, in my opinion, a pretty objective analysis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyQtN4HY4Ko


What have many of us learned about the current PTB in our research? They are interested in much more than just money. They are interested in control, over YOU. This film is in my opinion is a mish mash of truths, lies, and, half truths that overall has the potential to blind you w/ production values and fantasy world ideals into forgetting the overall message, which seems to be: surrender your free will for the greater good of humanity.




Thanks for introducing this thread peacelovinman.

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Oops!

Sorry for reposting the Alex Jones review. I was contemplating my response for awhile and forgot to check to see if anyone else had posted.

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quote from 'Jonathan':
The Venus project men is stating that it is not perfect, there is no perfection.
Its an ongoing process of rejecting the old and useless patterns of working for profit, as it encourages greed. the main issue here is a rethinking of the motives. if the motive is money, then you don't care for the environment.
the best way to get an everlasting stream of money is to enslave peaple to buy more and more, and to get that is to make products that will last less and less.

quote from 'Jonathan':

What is wrong with this idea? it is certainly much better then the one we have today.


quote from 'Jonathan':

Religion is not bad it is simply irrelevant.
it had a purpose of controlling the masses. now is the time for educating people not to be afraid of some god figure that will punish you if you touch your winnie...


quote from 'Jonathan':

What have you and all the other movements achieved exactly?
Nothing on a global scale.
There is more poverty, more pollution, more ignorance.
The idea is to change the system totally, change the motive for success totally so human beings will want to celebrate life without wanting to get something out of it except the feeling of the joy of sharing.


quote from 'Raulduke':

We do not have a free will!
Tell that to the person who try to quit smoking...
we have free will to the extent the EGO allows us to have.
and the current system supports the GROWTH of the EGO, therefore the GROWTH of the human suffering.

you have to build and work in order to have free will.
this is where spirituality education comes in.

quote from 'Raulduke':

This is nonsense!
The film creator is trying to show a part of the truth and offer a different path to a better world.

quote from 'Raulduke':

Come on man!
This is just a blue print of ideas. we have a long way until we will succeed
in creating a better human race.

quote from 'REPLY FROM EG':
How about the basis of love?

quote from 'reply from EG':

The desire of profit is an EGO desire like all desires, that comes from the notion we are separate from one another and from the universe.
When we will understand that all is one the desire will be to serve the others, therefor to serve ourselves.
And there is your motive!

quote from 'reply from EG':

The idea of profit will change from "profit to the little me" to the "profit for the big whole."

I totally agree that the second part of ZeitGeist is somewhat biased toward a social idea, but what is wrong with that?
I also agree that it lacks a certain objectivity and balance in the presentation of the ideas but it is still a powerful step on the way of change.

WE NEED A TOTAL CHANGE OF THE SYSTEM, NOT JUST A FIX OF THE OLD ONE!

peace and love to all!

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I think its slightly misguided. I dont believe its deliberate from the PTB

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nivosh,
I would like to say that I am not happy that you have chopped and spliced quotes from the CRITICAL REVIEW and my post w/o labeling either.

For now, I am too tired to adequately respond to your misrepresentations.
I will respond thoroughly as soon as I can.

peace and good night.

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Adam Smith in his book "The Wealth of Nations" in 1776. Capitalists favor a system of free enterprise which means the government should NOT interfere in the economy - that the laws of supply and demand will make sure that the economy runs most efficiently in meeting people's needs.

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Thanks heaps for posting that. The Creature was also the first book I read about the Fed and the US money supply etc. I have a high reverence of G.E. Griffin for his contributions over the years, and I still read from The Creature regularly.

I would also recommend a book called The Web of Debt by Ellen Brown, which I think is also excellent and in many ways more contemporary, however a little less 'conspiratorial' in a sense. It goes into derivatives, sub-prime, economic collapse etc. She actually puts forward a different argument to Griffin re: Greenback dollars [see below] - she asserts that debt-free govt-issued money is NOT inflationary and simply 'primes the pump' for more business activity. This is in opposition to the dollar backed by the gold-standard that Griffin and Ron Paul (go, Ron!) are all about. I absolutely love both books, but I must say that I refer to The Web of Debt far more regularly for info about market manipulation (PPT etc.), derivatives and collapse. The Creature is great for things like the bailout game, the NWO, fabians and socialism, along with all those interesting little alternative historical takes on events like the Russian revolution etc., and depopulation and The Report from Iron Mountain.

Cheers
Ben

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Namaste, Honorable Avalon Members,

'For the sake of balance' is an interesting way of putting it, as if Balance is something one(WE) can find outside of ONESELF.

So to see, The-Powers-That-Be, the Champions of the Status Quo, are contre-attacking big Way! And spreading fear.
I think that Member Nivosh has plainly expressed it; i will just add that it is really time that People understand that No one needs anymore Someone else to teach him/her what/how to think. We are independent and make our choices freely. Our Consciousness is ever evolving.
A couple of points, though:
Reading this 'balancing review', i could not help but think that some People out there do not seem to understand or are not willing to accept that the Paradigm is shifting, that a New Era is being born, that the Reality and the System behind it need some thorough rethinking and fixing.
I also noticed that the whole 'Apology' is based on the Absolute and Unchallenged Value of Market, Free-ride Capitalism, Profit and Material Expansion.
I think that the current state of the hereupon based Economy speaks for itself.
Marxism/Socialism/URSS.
Those Experiences were in no shape or form better or different from Free-Market-Economy, with regard to the Environment, Harmony between Humans, Nature and other Life Forms; but this being said, it remains also interesting to see how the authors of that paper carefully avoided any reference to the role the Western Capitalist Alliance and the Church (remember the 'merits' of the Late Pope John Paul II) massively played in the Fall of that Alternative Structure.
I see nothing perse wrong in being 'Left' - as a part of the all covering Humans Experiences in their Search of Happiness.

This paper neglected, in my opinion, also one Crucial Element of Project Venus, namely the Inner Connection and Balance to be searched and, hopefully, be established between Spiritual Needs, Human Development and Nature as a Whole.
Ecology and Harmony are here paramount.

Finally, this article is, in my understanding, just another interpretation - and everyone is entitled to that - and it treats mainly of Details, for the authors themselves acknowledged that the Core of the Analysis of 'Zeitgeist: Addendum' has some grounds.

I made freely my Choice upon Discernment. And i have some work to do.


Regards,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

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Isn't calling Chavez a dictator a little disinformative? Was Salvador Allende a dictator as well?
If it must again fall in the American trap of Leftist vs Conservatives argumentation as a basis for analysis, then there is no true dialogue possible. The ideology will drive the intent.

Those people would benefit from talking to each other, without the stain of polarity. In other words from outside of their boxes, whether it be the right or left box. And they might find that they have not the answer individually but have it together.

There won't be money forever on this planet. Money is part of a system that binds man to a form of slavery.
On the other hand, man has no real will, so the few would have to carry the many if all boundaries afforded by a monetary system was to disappear right now. When the planet is more evolved, the consciousness of individuals won't need artificial incentives to move forward.

Today's two major lines of power tension, sex and money, are used to funnel the energy of humanity into the sphere of a civilization that uses that energy for its own good at the expense of the individual. Those lines of tension are the basis for the instinctual drive to dominate. It is therefore not surprising that those two lines of tension are at the base of the greatest number of homicides on the globe. Therefore, people are not free, for all the talks of freedom they have, freedom remains a philosophical concept.

And intelligent, articulate people, should leave the prison of their ideologies to really talk, which also means to really listen, to each other. Unfortunately they would rather argue as representatives of their ideologies, instantaneously losing the ability to represent themselves as free minds.

Money systems remains because human psychology is not fundamentally real but is a construction based on the rules of the civilization. And this civilization is based on the strong emotions that are activated by sex and money. When psychology is deprived of those, the psychological man becomes quite depressed. And those who are spiritual and abandon those forces become useless to themselves and to others, because they develop no will.

Freedom will begin when the mind cannot be hypnotized with ideologies. And it is then only that people will start talking instead of chatting.

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I agree that this is a weakness of the addendum, which has to assume that the human mind results only from its material condition.

On the other hand, since we agree that there are influences that come from the invisible side of the mind, we must wonder about what we mean by free will.

It is not free will that the forces that be want to subdue, on the contrary. They want you to believe and reinforce the concept of free will. What they want to subdue is freedom. And the concept of free will is used to hide the prison that is holding humanity captive.

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Deep, impartial analysis, indeed!

Thanks for reminding us of the Studies of Mr Sigmund Freud and others on this domain, Member Richard T.
It would be fair, i guess, to state that, sometimes things are not quite what they seem to be or what we assume them to be.

Regards,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

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You know what, cutting this review up and exploring the language out-of-context is frankly the only way to demonstrate how fool hardy the statements are. These individual statements are absolute mis-truths (lies), which have been strategically placed into the middle of a valid argument or tacked on to the end. They are already out-of-context, in the way in which they are originally used!

So, what's the argument here? Are we supposed to be cajoled by the cynical sarcasm that he leaves dripping from a simple synopsis of the message?
Let me show you what this same content means to me:

In the wake of a once eminent collapse, human beings realized that they had the opportunity to take steps towards an evolutionary leap in social, ecological, spiritual, moral and emotional health. Like the ancient thought of traditional indigenous peoples, they recognized the inherent value of their connections to the earth, the stars, each other and the underlying mechanism that is responsible for the eternal dance of awareness and perception. The acceptance of a universal obligation of each and every element to the well-being of every other element became not only the rule-of-law, but the foundation of logic, incentive, and fulfillment (as opposed to these things hanging on the thread of monetary gain). In such a society would crime as we know it still exist? Would corruption have any motive or method of operation? Would this picture of a inter-universal dynamic civilization be accurately analyzed as a "One World Community"?

So, how does that sound without the sarcastic tom-foolery?

This is implied, but it is not stated in this way. That would be one interpretation.
Nope. This is neither implied nor said.

Show me.... like I'm a small child. Be specific

If you think that anything that comes out of this video is dictating that you should follow any, and I mean ANY imperative that is contrary to your own internal impression of Love, then you have just about completely turned your mind off to the intent of the author and of the entire movement. DO NOT FOLLOW. How can anyone *trick* you, when they are telling you to DO YOU? JUST DO YOU. :lmao:


And here's the reply:

Ok, so is he trying to sell me his book? Why doesn't he make specific arguments, right here, addressing specific claims from Addendum that he feels are inaccurate? Notice that he does not specifically say that any sentence in the Fed section is false. He implies that something may be false, and allows that implication to be broadly applied to the entire section. So, in short, he has made NO commentary about anything, allowing for his implications to speak for themselves, unless of course you go out, buy his book, and desperately search for what ever argument he may have made in said book.

Ok, that never ceases to amaze me either, BUT....
This statement is what we call a lie. Addendum does not support the creation of a government produced fiat currency. Addendum does not support ANY economy founded on ANY form of monetary system/relationship. Did this guy even get half-way through the film? If he watched the entire piece, which he seems to indicate he did, then his use of this tag statement is an expression of insincerity (i.e. lying).

This is SOOOOO transparent. This guy is screaming "I'm a free-market economist who cannot bare to face the truth of my ideology's impact in the real world, on real people!" So is Bolivia part of some Marxist ploy to dominate South America? Are the indigenous peoples of those lands, who have been exploited, bamboozled and sucked dry for centuries, demonstrating psychosis when they move to elect leaders who champion change, fairness and compassion?

That's f'n horse-**** and that guy is too intelligent to not know that.

WITHOUT CHALLENGE?

Decades of unchallenged, unmediated propaganda have informed every aspect of the American experience of these events. DECADES. Perkins comes on and speaks for about 15 minutes on subjects into which the government has sunk billions of dollars for hundreds of thousands of hours of fictional media to keep us *informed*. UNCHALLENGED?

Are you kidding me?!!!


IF IT IS NOT IMMEDIATELY CLEAR TO YOU WHAT THE NEW *BASIS* OF HUMAN INTERACTIVITY SHOULD BE, WILL BE, ACTUALLY IS, AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN, then let me help you out:

The Basis of the new paradigm is Love.

Unconditional Love.

No. This is never said. This is never implied. This statement is a LIE.

This is not true. The desire for PROFIT has no relationship to the incentive for a CREATIVE act, whatsoever. I create because I fill compelled to express something that can only be expressed as an act of creation. Money is no incentive. Someone who makes art for the sake of profit, using profit as an incentive to do her work, is not partaking in an act of creation. She is working, which is very, very different. Someone who receives compensation subsequent to producing a genuine artifact of creation is not being payed for the act of creation; they are being paid for the use of the intellectual property which represents the creation itself. Money does NOT generate art.

Show me. Prove it. Give specific examples of the non-accomplishments of a society in which financial or political profit did not play a fundamental role. This statement is based on NOTHING. It is complete presumption based on no 'real world' experiences, whatsoever.

Does he live in a hole in the ground? What does he have to say about these societies/cultures?

Anasazi/Hopi
Maya
Yuman
Quechua
Inuit

Where is the proof that reward (profit) has lead to "great productivity and abundance"? For WHOM? And who was left on the ass end of the stick? What's the ratio of reapers-of-abundance to reapers-of-mysery and pain?
1:1 - no
1:10 - no
1:100 - nope
1:1000 - hmmm, so for every one on this planet that feels his basic needs are totally and fully accounted for and be rest assured in the continuity of his situation, how many folks around the world cannot feel that safety and well-being?

As if these socialized societies were developing in bubble, completely unhindered by the pouring of historic amounts of wealth and resources into the concerted effort to destroy those societies. What simple minded being accepts this argument as being made upon any kind of sound foundation?


Ok, and this is how he ends his tirade:
What disease! This is a meaningless statement. He may as well have said, "Zeitgeist Addendum does not support patriotism." So, what?!

In what way is it promoting a diseased world-view? In what way are it's principles inhibiting, restrictive, or hateful? In what way does it promote fear and anger?

In what way does it promote Love?

In what way does it promote Empowerment?

In what way does it promote Trust?

In what way does it promote Honesty?

In what way does it promote Hope?

In what way does it promote Personal Relevance?

In what way does share with us a vision of an intelligent and meaningful civilization, which we now have the opportunity to dream into being?

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Hi guys. I'm back after a brief rest. I could not sleep w/ this wieghing on my mind.

nivosh,
I was planning on addressing you point by point, but I realised that this would only serve to further muddy the waters.
Instead I would like to address the two most imortant points (IMO) of your post that can be found in the quotes below.

1.Agreed. But rest assured that the PTB will not simply step aside because we all want them to. It seems to me that Zietgiest Addendum dances around the notion (w/o ever addressing it) that in order for their utopia to exist: something very huge has to rock society so hard, as to deconstruct it completely. And then we could begin building this utopia.

Well trust me, the PTB are banking (no pun intended) on this something going their way and remaining on top in the wake of its aftremath.
I want a utopia too, but wanting one will not help. We must operate in their system (reality) in order to bring it down.


2.This confuses me. Without free will, how can you expect to change the system?

Free will, I suppose, is a subjective term. You can educate yourself to the best of your abilty in order to make a decision. By the same token you can (regarding the same decision) rely on nothing but how you feel. Or you can combine the two and then decide. This is free will to me.

A selfless act is beautiful, in part, because it not forced. The option to do nothing or even to do evil is present.

We do have free will. It can be hi-jacked, but only so long as we remain ignorant.
If you belive that we do not have free will, then all is lost.

Sincerely, nivosh, I am interested to hear you clarify your opinions on these subjects, if you do not mind.


peace.

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Raulduke, i am sorry, I should have stated what quotation came from.
It was laziness that held me there...

i look forward to your adequately response to my misrepresentations.

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I have changed my earlier post to clearly state the quote source.

Thank you for helping me improve my self, Raulduke...:original:

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what did YOU think after YOU seen this documentary?
how did it make YOU feel?
did you feel it would wake the people up around you?
did you feel it would change our planet and how we conduct our lives?
did you feel it would create understanding among your brothers?
what does the person you most trust, feel about the information this documentary has brought into view? (not that most of us did not know how we are being manipulated).

answers dont need to be givin. they just need to be thought about.

for me i feel it can be the begining of the thought process that the masses can use to awaken themselves.

most definitly like any infomation we have been givin at anytime, has another agenda ,or not quite managed to embrace us with what we feel within ourselves is the truth.

benny

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Hi Richard T -

Its me again on another thread....! I really enjoy reading your posts.

So... if money systems remain because human psychology is a construction based on the rules of the civilization, and civilization is based on strong emotions.... then what logically follows is that strong emotions are rooted in human psychology. What you postulated seems like a circular argument to me - unless I am misunderstanding it here.

Also, if pyschology is deprived of sex and money, and those who are spiritual abandon those forces, I don't believe they become useless at all - they are freed indeed and are revered in history as our most outstanding philosophers.

P

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Precisely, Member Reveling John; i would just add: let them show us the Money!:-)


And again, what are they complaining about? What are they afraid of?
Is rationally choosing and getting ready for a Sound Spiritual Growth a Dangerous Path?
Isn't gathering and critically examining information( both intuitively and by way of contre-checking); building Sound Communities upon shared views and values and drawing plans in order to move forward, upon Rationality, Faisability and Harmony with Nature and Mother earth the True Essence of Project Avalon?
Isn't Project Avalon about making Fundamental Choice; heartfully embracing what one intuitively feels as an Expression of the New times; accepting the New Paradigm, getting ready for the Shift of Consciousness; care for one another?
Is 'Zeitgeist: Addendum' not about all that?
Just wondering, really.

Regards,

RakaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

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This doesnt really sound like a balanced analysis to me. Sounds like a terrified PTB attempt at a debunk. I love how obvious ye make it. Its funny. The final truth of the matter is the profit based society were in doesnt work for any one except the PTB. It has to end or freedom and possibly humanity will end. Im afraid one of the very few ways out of this prison happens to be a resource based society. I know the debunkers here will have to lose their power, status and money and drop down to the same level as every one else. It will damage your large ego's and make ye throw a strop but everything will be ok. I dont think youll be able to stop the movement now anyway. It started even before the film came out :tongue2:

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I am sorry and I apologize for the way I phrased that. I was sleepy, but that's no excuse. It was antogonistic and does not further this debate in a positive direction.

I noticed that our most recent posts ovelapped somewhat in terms of time, but did you have a chance to read my 4th post in this thread, just above your 2nd and 3rd?
These are the concerns I really hold about Zietgeist Addendum and your original post nivosh.

I really think we are on the same page here regarding the kind of society we would like to live in.
I'm just concerned that what Zietgiest Addendum is proposing, while extremely well meaning, is easily corruptable.


If you meant this honestly, then, I could not be happier.

peace.

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Thanks for your sincere concern and for urging us to remain wise and vigilant, Member raulduke("I really think we are on the same page here regarding the kind of society we would like to live in.
I'm just concerned that what Zietgiest Addendum is proposing, while extremely well meaning, is easily corruptable.").

We shall do our best.

Regards,
RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

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This thread is one of the most impressive I've seen here for a long time. I haven't formed an opinion on it yet (I want to watch the movie again before I say anything) but the points raised by both 'sides' are very, very good.

Kudos to all involved. :wub2:

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The best post here (so far), IMO, is the one by Reveling John. He dares to question...

Well, let's say... I am always so stunned to see how deep to the bone most americans are indoctrinated... for instance with the idea that nothing is good except capitalism... when they talk about socialism, communism and anything resembling, it's as if they are talking about the devil, no worse... full of hate.

During and after 9-11, our journalists looked up, as much americans as possible, who were visiting europe, or were working here, just to get their view, their opinion, their feelings on what had happened... A remark a lot of them made during the interviews, was "you're so well informed here". With this they meant, our media are not so one-sided as in the US. Our media was looking at things from different angles. We would get more information than they would in the US, etc.

This "one-sidedness" harms the american people. (And I am sad to say, but europe moves in the same direction.) Internet could break it open, give american more possibilities, more views, more angles. If only they would be prepared to put down their colored spectacles and really see what's out there.

Whatever... We all, americans, european, asians... we all will have to change our ways. None of us is right. If you look at the results, you have to see that. And I hope ASAP.
If we are living in some Endtime period, we will have made this end ourselves.

If you agree or don't agree with Zeitgeist I & II ... it doesn't matter. If only it could make you think, make you wiser in some way...

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Controlled opposition.Throw out some good information and then promote the totalitarian technocratic society.Naomi Wolf and Glenn Beck are talking about these things in the mainstream and any child knows they are gatekeepers.

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This is an interesting thread worth the debate, imo. I just watched Alex Jone's response to Addendum. He made some good points, but a good bit of what he said comes from his well established distrust of almost anyone offering any kind of new solution-system--and validly so. Alex is predisposed to do this because he's created a strong position for himself doing it. But I felt like
this distrust/skepticism is a double edged sword, and he could be throwing out the baby with the bath water with Addendum. I felt that the core concept behind Addendum is valid: service to all over money-power. Translating that correctly is going to be the job, and involve all. Watchdogging decisions running the technology will be very involving. (Isaac Asimov's future visions come to mind).

Any system/solution does not work if there is no intentionality of service to all behind it; and all 'systems' followed blindly will fail a good bit of the time when not supported/checked by personal responsibility. Even staying with the founding father's system had holes in it, because lack of individual responsibility and blind faith in the American system allowed some clever bandits to use our trust in it to hijack it.

Alex seems to want to stay with the original system, minus the elements of The Federal Reserve. But the information on how banking and profit structures work that has been disseminated lately, once everyone is exposed to them and understands it, seems to me to make returning to the profit/free enterprise system almost impossible. Because, according to what I've seen anyway, it ALWAYS leads to inflation and separation of people into haves and have-nots.

His point about Capitalism and Communism being two sides of the same coin is valid also. Communism doesn't really work because someone has to assume control, just like in capitalism. Still the pyramid structure.

It looks to me that we almost need to be freed of the NEED for interdependance for survival, so that we can just join up for the pleasure and stimulation of working on projects together. If there is no survival need to do so, then you are never enslaved. People who enjoy work and accomplishment will still have plenty to do. People who don't needn't get in the way of people who do out of necessity. If plenty can be created for all--no one's coming after someone else's house or stuff... They'll be ignored as uninteresting human beings if they do nothing and don't contribute, so they will quickly find some place to plug in. We are social beings, after all.

Therefore, I don't think Alex vision of people sitting around doing nothing because they don't have to work--therefore being subject to sociopathic behavior is valid, either. It's only valid in the current paradigm.

If you and your fellows have the resources to be out there joyously creating things of interest to them,
and doing whatever you wish is freely available, the array of entertainments we now have will pall very quickly for all but the most immature people, and a desire for new, more exciting frontiers will call, or the intrinsic social instinct will inspire joining some group trying to create something.

I also didn't like Alex' across the board panning of religion. The ancient roots of religion were a training system for teaching universal spiritual concepts and the values--something we must have to advance as a species. How far this training needs to be taken is for better minds than my own. But like any other system unquestioningly followed, it allowed the unscrupulous to take advantage of it. I optimistically believe there will be a point where there is enough spiritual learning absorbed by a critical mass of people that worry about spiritually deformed people doing mischief will evaporate.

There is a Zen aphorism that 'ethics is the best survival'. That's been absolutely reliable in my experience. Unethical behavior eventually leads to the extinction of those who refuse to give it up.

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Raulduke, It's a real pleasure to make this conversation with you.
You really touched my heart with the sincerity and wisdom in your words.

i meant it totally, and mean it still.

And now for the matter at hand.

I think this notion is pretty much the notion (or the desire) of all of us here.
I personally feel this strongly. it might be a child like desire but i do want a total change, and the destruction of the old.

regarding Zietgiest Addendum, i felt they where talking about a progressed shift (remember the flower that opens up?)
not a one day doom that will change everything we know.
it's like the change in conciseness, 10 years ago i read books on the matter of ego, free will, the power of now, stilling the mind, energy feeling and so on.
I couldn't really understand what i read but i felt a certain truth in it.
today, i can understand (know in the biblical sense) some of those things and as i progress i experience them more and more.
if the change will be too drastic alot of people will not be able to cope with it. that is why spiritual practice is so important.
we need to know ourselves (or at least to know that most of the time we are not ourselves) in order to be ready to awake.

I agree completely.
i meant that most of the time we don't have the capacity to have free will.
our mind is full of old paradigms and blockages and our ego self is controlling us.
Most of the people are unaware that they are in the jail of the mind and desires, therefor without a true free will.

I do feel that we are on the same page and i enjoyed elaborating this with you.
i also thank you for improving my English skills (what would i do without the right mouse button dictionary...)

peace and love
Nivosh

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Hello Providence.

We have invested animal bodies. We are extremely susceptible to the dense energies that this kind of body regulate. Civilization, as it stands on this globe, is created to make use of those energies.

A civilization such as ours is based on a mental architecture that is enforced at the psychological level by the values that the cultural context enforces progressively through familial and public education. Those values are solidified by emotions that account for the values, positive or negative. Emotions are therefore the value of the memory of the race.

Does it make more sense now?

Being deprived of sex and money creates great tensions in a psychological person. Psychology associates itself to the energies that inhabit the psychic territory. So, it associates with the animality of its body that is strong in instincts of survival and reproduction, and those instincts tell the psychological entity that it must subdue its environment to survive, in other words that he must dominate, or be dominated.

If the basis for psychology are taken away, and in this case we are talking about the means by which psychology has been trained to react, the power lines that are sex and money, and that there has not been a solid base made ready to replace the illusory psychological persona, the individual is lost.

He is lost because psychology fundamentally powerless on its own. It is not centered on reality, it is in periphery of it. It counts on the memory of his civilization to provide him with the means to survive, psychologically.

There is a sort of internal strength required to support the bringing down of the basis for security that represents a civilization to which psychology identifies. A true identity does not identify to anything else than itself. This is what I mean by being centred. If an individual identifies to his civilization and that this civilization is destroyed, he is left with nothing unless this particular inner strength makes him realize on the spot that he is, outside of the memory of the race, he endures.

It is because man has so little internal strength that he remains stuck with a civilization that is inadequate. And, if he feels it is adequate, it is because he still needs it. And he will always seek to keep it going in time. Because the mental architecture afforded through the values of his race are meant to perpetuate the race, not to make him free.

Does this work?

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ok, the first zeitgeist was good, the second was either misinformed or misguided, i feel this is either the powers that be or a genuine error. Anyways you should watch 'the esoteric agenda' on google video its must better, balanced and logical

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This is quite an insight, Richard. Thank you.

The great thing about this economic crisis is that it provides demonstrable PROOF that people's identities are completely wrapped up in social inventions (money, security, predictability). I have heard even newscasters report that this entire calamity is being driven by fear, because the things that people have thought were *real* and *trustworthy* are being unmasked for what they are: psychological constructs compelled into being through the focus of the mass zeitgeist.

Now look what happens when money looses power because people cease to give power to money: the people are at a loss as to comprehend who they are and what they are doing. We clothe ourselves in the artifacts of society. We cover our feelings with ideas and use those ideas to describe one another.

I am not an idea. You are not an idea.

We see our selves as snapshots of the eternal process of emergence. But we are NOT snapshots.

WE ARE THE PROCESS.

When you play two musical tones simultaneously, there is a harmony that comes into existence, essentially this harmony is a new musical component, not describable in either of the tones; it is the other.

We are instances of the harmony between notes and we are also the space between each of those instances, a kind of hyper-harmony. All of the notes are part of our existence, but there is no one note or combination of notes that can describe what we are. We are the experience that exist between the nodes of the network. And we are the dynamic process of growth that is consistently and progressively increasing in sophistication as groups of interconnected nodes graduate into representations of nodes themselves, profoundly re-imagining the structure of the previous network.

If, in your life, you find that everything is falling apart, then you can rest assured that you are doing what you need to do. You are letting the false mirror shatter into a million pieces, revealing that in the *space* between the pieces, the unrecognised, unnamed abyss, there is the potential for true reflection; True Self-Awareness.

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nivosh,
I would like to thank you for this converation. It has been enlightening.
Please allow me to share what I have learned.

We are unique individuals here, and we have more similarities than differences.
We all dream of the day when our differences are demolished and we can truly begin to evolve.

For now, as I see it, our differences are as follows:

People like my new friend nivosh (hope I'm not being presumptuous), are concerened primarily w/ LOVE. That is a very good thing. The best thing. These people are so very important to what's going on here (earth). They must be promoted and protected at all costs, because they will help people like me to shed all of our useless indoctrinated preconceptions of what being a human being really means. This though, is only likely to be possible after there has been a paradigm shift.

I truly hope that this something like a peaceful renaissance that David Wilcock and others have been explaining, but my motto is: Hope for the very best for all life, but prepare for the absolute worst.

Now for people like me. I will readily admit that in terms of spiritual education and growth, I am somewhat behind the curve here at Avalon. In my estimate though, I still have time.
For now though I have concerned myself w/ what seems to be the more pressing issue: the plans the PTB have in store for the likes of rogues like us and the rest of humanity for that matter.
Some here believe that fear is the opposite of love. I don't believe that to be be the case. Fear can inspire the opposite of love (selfishness/hate) when it goes unchecked. Fear is a human reaction that can benefit us if we can identify the exact source and react w/ understanding.
Unfortunately it is true that fear has been manipulated by the PTB to paralyze us throughout history.
The fear they use is baseless and crafted for specific purposes. It is, as our friendly nieghborhood Thunderbird puts it: F.alse E.vidence A.ppearing R.eal.
If thouroughly researched though we can hone in on the real source of beneficial fear which, as I see it is:

The PTB know that this paradigm shift is a reality and that, while they control the show now, they are losing control. The playing field, so to to speak, will soon be leveled. This is the source of thier fear and I am screaming this to all who will listen: They want to hi-jack the paradigm shift by creating chaos and further dividing/enslaving us.
The price of freedom (right now) is eternal vigilance.

I am so grateful that this forum exists.
This is not the first time here, that I have become very fond of someone that initially, I thought I was at odds with.


peace.

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Maybe 'Zeitgeist: Addendem' is not all about that ^^^ .

As i said before elsewhere here....

Just like the false promises of Hitlers fascists, the Marxist-Lenninist Russians and Chinese communists -- to name just a few -- the schemers always appeal to the dreamers' highest aspirations for a just society. They play the idealists like fiddles because it is they, as unwitting intruments of the schemers, who will pour out their guiless souls to the masses with emotional pleas for wholesale destruction of the old and unmitigated acceptance of the new.

Without a suspicious bone in their bodies (except of the old order) they fail to see or acknowledge even the possibility that we're being set up again in exactly the same way as our grandfathers (and theirs) were in the past. The same empty utopian promises are being offered again with hardly even a change of mask and again, the same pressures are applied by undiscerning idealists who know everything about their own aspirations for humanity but nothing about the nature of the beast that resides within us all.

With no illusions (because they knew they were flawed themselves) the 'founding fathers' of the United States Constitution assumed upfront that people are deeply flawed, greedy, corrupt and corruptible and that central planning (of everything) can only play into the hands of the beast.

There is no possibility at all that a centralised global government with major economic and political power in it's hands, could deliver justice and good governance to the world's people. But there is every reason to suspect that those who are trying to construct one (those who've built the old order by wresting the US Constitution from our gullible hands) are doing everything in their power to misrepresent themselves in our midst in exactly the same way as the fascists and communists did in the 20th century to kick start their own phony people's revolutions.

Once again they will tell us everything we want to hear. They will perfectly describe to us the problem AS WE SEE IT while pretending to be interested in the changes WE want. As always they are "opposing" themselves in order to control the wave of contempt which is building in the mass consciousness and yes, even the wave of hope that is building in the hearts of those breaking free of it. Control of this wave -- by "complete spectrum dominance" as they call it in 'propaganda colleges' -- equals control of the outcome.

If we simply allow the power elite to impersonate ourselves and to dictate the tone and the perameters of the discussion, they'll make mince meat out of us... again. The psychopathic controllers have their sleeves rolled up. They're right in the thick of the alternative media with their smooth, understanding voices. Sometimes they're shrill in their feigned empathy with us. So we need to develop the discernment to read what's behind every concerned smile, every outstreched hand, every overture of understanding for the fix we're in.

If we succeed in this we are through to a future brighter than ever before. If we fail it will not be for the want of communications technology, communication skills and voices in the wilderness urging caution for the wolves in sheeps clothing who, be sure, are preparing a banquet. And we are not invited......as the guests that is.

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I concur to this.

We are the process. And the process creates impressions. And psychology clings to the impression as a reflection of his reality. But it is just a glimpse, like you said: a snapshot.
But if the individual thinks of himself as a snapshot to which he identifies, he effectively becomes that snapshot.

Well said Reveling John.

We must also realize that the civilization also is a process. A process meant to support a collective of processes and give this collective a specific controlled environment for a specific means, namely the agenda behind a phase of the process. When the phase is over, it goes on to the next phase. But it remains a process.

Working from a snapshot psychology, the masses evaluate their reality from a snapshot taken within a particular phase of a process, not even in relation with the whole process. And the real identity is the sum of the whole process. Which cannot fit within a snapshot.

The system will collapse but neither will it collapse in the time of the ego nor in relation with an idea projected from a snapshot taken from within a phase soon to be caduc.

The personal process as a whole is extremely intelligent. But the snapshot thinks he is the whole. Then he believes he has a choice.

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The only problem, if we can say it is a problem, that I see with it, is that it is ahead of its time and will prompt people to do moves that will put them in initiation.

So, in a sense, it is preparing the way by giving a small glimpse at what could be.

But it won't change because people wish it to change. It won't change because people have no will yet. And there is a certain dose of pain required for people to develop will.

In the mean time, they are wishful. And they believe that by thinking, they can change the world. Yet, they don't know what thinking is.

An evolved planet has no need for money.

The simple reason being that each individual within an evolved society is a pillar in itself.

Here, on this planet, we have the edifice of civilization and a bunch of people seeking shelter under its roof. All they find for an answer is wishful thinking. And only those who are artful at the use of the energy of evil, the energy behind will, the polarity to intelligence, get their way.

At one point, people will have to integrate will to intelligence and become a pillar of their own. Then, civilization will change.

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Thanks for your perspective, Member milk and honey.
Hitlers fascists, the Marxist-Leninist Russians and Chinese Communists, as you put it, did indeed promised happiness and a just society to Mankind.
However, i would not 'name just a few' and would add, so did and still do the Free-market Capitalists.
I think that the conlusion to draw here is that all those systems have failed for one or another reason; one earlier than the other and incidentally it is the Free-market Ideology that is NOW onder discussion.

Discernment and wisdom are a great weapon in those troubled but Spiritually highly charged times.

Regards,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

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It is always the same problem.

Why are people afraid of being lied to? Because they are influenceable.

The future evolution will see the raising of pillars. These pillars will be individuals, not collective animals. And it is on those pillars that the new civilization will be based. It will not be a civilization created to direct the destiny of individuals dumbed down into a mass.

If people are afraid to be screwed, it is because it is possible to screw them, therefore, they will be screwed.

And they will be screwed because they still are capable of believing. A pillar cannot believe. He could not even if he tried. So, he has no problem allowing anyone say anything, because he cannot be threatened by words. Because he gives no psychological values to words. Because he does not implicate himself psychologically in the experience.

That is why I say that it is not time yet. Much must happen first.

Man has too much to lose, psychologically.

So, he will project forms that are in conformity to his desires that in turn are based on the conditioning of his civilization, and he calls that free will. And his desires are in opposition to his reality. So, the shock will be great, because opposition means that quite litterally, in other words his reality moves in a direction that is totally opposite to the wishes of the ego.

This gives the ego a false impression of choice. Finally all choices he likes to contemplate are always escape routes to what his own real self needs. These choices are not from him, they are part of his conditioning.

There are no choices in reality. Reality does not care about wishes. And when reality hits, when there is no choice left, then and only then does the ego do what he is supposed to do and that he postponed until the crisis.

So, the crisis is saint and holy. Because without the crisis there is no movement from a psychology enamored with the positive values of his memory.

When the crisis hits, it is reality that hits. And then the ego has no choice.
If he can support the energy charge of reality, he moves. He does not chooses to move, he moves. If he can't support the energy of reality, as it unfolds in the crisis, he breaks down.

And in a time of crisis that encompasses the whole of humanity, the one who breaks down cannot expect the one who moves to stop and pick him up. Because he has no choice but to move.

People have a hard time enduring the little stress of their personal lives. What will they do when it is the Earth itself that shakes under their feet?

People must start creating force fields around their mental centre to not be affected psychologically by worlds events and keep a clear mind when faced with the crisis. This is what people must do. When the crisis hits, if they have the internal strength, they will move and do what they are supposed to do. If not, they will follow whatever flow of panic or others' movements that will happen around them. They will not lead their destiny, they will still seek choices.

Free will is the illusion of those choices that are given him as tests of his intelligence to eventually bring him to develop will in the evil of the crisis, in the strong opposition of life against is search for peace.

To be free is to be in perfect accord with one's own energy movement. It is not a question of choices, it is a question of being real. Choices are red herrings. In the end, there is one thing to do. Not what the ego wants to do but what he must do.

And all this question of free will has always kept him away from what he must do, keeping him into such a slow evolutionary pace that he was forced to stick with a life condition that is equivalent to universal hell and still believe that this is normal.

The ego can rationalize ad infinitum.

Everything is known. And if everything is known, it is clear that there is no choice.

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I like your observations, Richard T. You hit the nail on the head, in my opinion. The huge paradigm shift is so overwhelming that people are fighting it. There is no doubt any longer in anyones' mind (I hope) that the current "system" is broken, and that it must change totally in order for anything like peace, prosperity, and equality to be more than just empty words or distant memories. To give you an idea of most peoples' comfort level a thread in which a person asked effectively; "What am I holding in my hand? Try to guess." receives 5 pages of replies/guesses. I typed a serious post announcing a meeting in real time...yes this means face to face folks! Guess how many people are willing to more than cyber-babble about the coming times ahead? Last count, zero. Betcha can't guess what I'm thinking right now?!?