Israel
 

Shalom!
Concerned Israelis please make contact.
Rami

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Hi There
I'm Ron, From Ashdod :)
Any Plans?

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Hi Ron
No plans yet, but better to have a plan then none.
First thing we need is to get together a good, positive capable bunch.
We are close neighbors, I'm at Moshav Bitsaron.
Rami

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Hey guys!!!
Are there only three of us?!

Tell you the truth, I've got a feeling that people here in Israel don't give a damn about awakening, being interested in searching the truth and disclosure. The ignorance here is unbelievable!!

What do you say guys??! Where do we start?

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Shalom HolCaul82
Indeed it seems like most people around here can't deal with the information.

Tough mission.
First thing, I think we should discuss of what it takes to stick a survival group together.
Meaning analyzing our options according to our psychological, financial, legal and
practical capabilities.
Then each one has to figure out on a personal level what does it require of him,
and perhaps come to peace with doing it... not an easy mission.
Also myself don't know, kind of scratching my head, BIG problem man!

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Before we take on an initiative of starting an actual community, let me ask you this, do you personally know people who would be interested in reading through at least what projectcamelot.org website has to offer?
I know no one who wouldnt ridicule or laugh at the words extraterrestrials, UFOs and so on.

Please tell me you know people who are willing to listen?

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No one.

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uhm.. a word of advice if I may (I'm not from Israel, but was curious so I looked in here)?

don't start talking too much about esoteric stuff or extraterrestians and UFO's and so on with people - they might think you are a weirdo (unless you think they are open to such stuff and you really want to talk about it). try to keep it on a level that everybody understands (like Benjamin Fulford says in one of his interviews).

however, UFO's and EXTRATERRESTIANS are currently not the problem of Israel right now - it's the possibility of being nuked as a consequence of Israel attacking Iran.

I really recommend you to listen to what Benjamin Fulford says in his interviews. this guy is trying really hard to help everybody come out of possible upcoming political international events without violence and harm.

you should start with this one to get an overview of what is going on between Iran and Israel (part 1 of 3 - you'll manage to find part 2 & 3 I guess)
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=NKl3mZG6KzM

and then continue with this (part 1 of 4 - again, you'll manage to find 2-4)
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=iyuOrccBzAU

and then the latest, most recent interview (1 of 4)
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=fMUBrl5zp7w


ps: stay calm - stay positive! panik only disturbs you from thinking rational. a lot of wheels are in motion to help prevent the described events from happening.

chew on those informations, sleep over it and take it from there..

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Hi Daniels !
Thank you very much :)
I have a few things to say:
1.
I know a few people that are into checking out project camelot; most aren't NOT because they don't believe in "stuff like that", BUT because they are so into their selves and so closed, usually walk the phrase "ignorance is bliss", the earthquake in china (and all the other things caused by HAARP) wasn't enough to shake their closed-minds, but I think they will open their eyes a little more when something happens in Israel.
2.
I know someone from Jerusalem, he didn't sign up to this forum yet but he watches everything. So I told him about going the South America in two months from now and he said Really? Your Family Is Also Into This Kinda Stuff?
I said of course, they want to STAY ALIVE too.
leave the esoteric stuff aside (even if true) things are happening and may go bad, especially in Israel, after watching Benjamin Fulford, George Green, Alex Jones and others, it is OBVIOUS that we should do something!
3.
We should really talk about this, by the way I don't really consider staying in Israel a real option...


I would suggest waiting about a weak, to see if more people turn on, and then have a conference call - on Skype or some other application it doesn't matter, to see where we stand.

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hi rgersh5!

sounds like a plan. since you can't rely on the media (everywhere, not only in the U.S. and not even here in germany) to report about what's really going on you can't trust them to warm you in time. and should they do so (which I don't believe - to avoid a mass histeria and panic within the population) it would probably be too late.

All you can do is show your friends those links I posted above and say "Listen carefully, I am concerned about upcoming events and your safety. This is why I recommend you to watch these reports of (apearantly) relieable inside information. And we have watched too often (like on 9/11) how someone tried to warn people and have been ignored which turned out to be fatal in the past. So either you believe in what the TV broadcasts and stay in wonderland - or you listen to someone else who seems to know what they are talking about. Especially if they don't benefit from it."

good luck and stay positive. Eventually this bad world regime is over soon.

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Hey! I'm the guy from Jerusalem, thank's rgersh5:original:
Now I have some friends whom I have told about different things, only that they do not have the time or the desire to know more. They are pretty comfortable in their lives with the things they think they know...
Well, I thought many times about making a poster, bulletin or something to inform as much people as possible in the streets, universities and public places of the most basic stuff everyone should know, without the UFO stuff of course...
Just for the sake of example: I know of one man in Jerusalem who's wearing a T-shirt with a huge print of Stalins' face on it - now that's conspicuous! So every time someone makes a notice on it he just pulls out some printed papers he accidenty has with him all the time and gives them to the simple and sais to him or her READ AND THOU SHALL KNOW..! - pretty much end of story - the rest is up to them.

We have very little time to do the revolution, so to speak, here in Israel, but we ought to manage at least something as long as it is possible, and as long as we are still here, for the sake of humanity!

It would be great if someone would elaborate on these ideas I've mentioned above.

And what rgersh5 sais about waiting a little untill this place fills and then talking about it in group online is essential! We got to be organized enough to pull this thing off and we have to commit time and effort - I guess everyone(3 people...) here feals the same about this.

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hmm I believe the effect would be greater if everybody who is already informed starts wearing such t-shirts. idk. you gotta find a way to trigger someone's curiosity. like the mason's all-seeing-eye-pyramid with a sword through it or a bird's view of israel with a nuke-mushroom on it and all being circled in red and 1 red slash going through the nuke and the map and a date like OKTOBER 2008 - BE AWARE or something..

a little like this i mean, just with a nuke-clowd in it or something
http://nomaamstore.com/No_maam.jpg

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I think doing something like a shirt with a nuke clowd and OCTOBER - be aware is just promoting fear and can pretty much help making october a really bad month ;)

not that people shouldnt be aware but i guess we must be carefull not to create more fear! we have many possible futures and we can help them happen or not happen!

hey there by the way! :)
I am also originally from israel but have not be living for the past 6 years or so. Currently in germany.

I dunno, i remember how it was being in israel, everything seemed much crazier and i couldnt wait to get out of there and to me everyday seemed like the end of the world was coming.
but now i think that even if something like a nuke happens there it doesnt mean that everything there dies! in hiroshima even people in the middle of the city came out in one piece. I dont know though - with israel i am , personally, kind of split. sometimes i feel like something big is gonna happen there and sometimes i feel like nothing seirous will!

I have to go there in october(!!!) (i have to, and its has to be this october, for like 3 weeks!!!) and i must admit that i started also getting afraid - but i keep myself calm and not let the fear take over me! even if something happens and i need to survive , i will be in the right place at the right time!
we are all in the right place in the right time!

but damn, talking about those thing in israel - hard task!!! i am not even thinking of telling my parents all of this! no chance they will want to get it!


peace,

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hi back! and true, you're right! it might be out of line..

oh really, germany? me too!
where in germany?
I currently live in Munich.

And now I've finally seen the Futuretalk II interview (at least the first part, I'm gonna watch the rest tomorrow cause it's almost 4 a.m. here and I'm getting tired) and suddenly I understand why everybody is eager to relocate themselves to other regions because of a possible struggle for ressources (water, food, ..).

Oh boy, what a challenge. I seems like I gotta get back in touch with a friend of mine, who's a real survival expert and also into meditation..

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We All Need To :)

I'm going to refer some people I care about to some information in the next week, I'm also going to come up with some written scripts - informing about what can happen and what can we do, so people can usefully copy paste them to forums and such.
We'll just gather and next week I'm pretty sure I'll be able to arrange a conference call, that everyone can easily connect to.

Note: We will probably make more calls like this (about once a week), in between them we should inform people - let them hear an interview, or read a report, or watch a movie (like End Game), of course we will cover all this up in the forthcoming meeting.

By the way, if you didn't hear about it, you should really Beware of October, it may withhold the financial collapse of the US followed by a possible development in the middle east (militarily), one step deeper into chaos, meaning one step deeper into a state from which we can either ascend or descend, and that depends on our actions and focused intention, we will do our part I assure you, I will post a comment about the conference call when relevant.

Till Then!
Ron.

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Shalom and Bless All ! it's nice to read your comments.

If only they decide to spare the holly city from getting nuked,
then Jerusalem mountains provide possible location for survivors.

*Our own Government is busy digging their life saving tunnels
at the Jerusalem mountains right at this minute.

Dr.X2012 - Are you familiar with suitable real-estate options in this area?

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Hi
Dr2012X (Daniel) just a few minutes ago presented me with this
this is a very good way to show people the truth! outstanding actually! perfect timing!

about Jerusalem, I heard the some countries, INCLUDING Israel are building underground cities for the "elite" to survive if needed - there, but never really found any information about Israel, could you please share it Rami?
(by the way, I'm still FOR going to Ecuador because - underground or not - being stuck in the middle of a nuclear war isn't good)

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Ecuador is nice, but I don't know enough details
to even start figuring the practicality of operative aspects.

The tunnels costs are estimated at Milliard Sheqals (Article in Hebrew).
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2833962,00.html

Picturs of similar project in Norway
[IMG]http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/117...tunnelsbt2.jpg[/IMG]

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Strange thing, seeing the 2 stars rating on our thread, I've tried to vote
a five stars, but the digital brain clamed I am not allowed to vote twice,
wile I didn't vote at all in the first place...

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Guys!!!! There IS hope according to David Wilcock, a person who i personally trust. A must listen!!! Here's it is.... http://projectcamelot.org/audio_interviews.html

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Hi. To Rami: do you mean UNDERGROUND options?..
And indeed it was published in the newspapers some time ago about all their underground bunkers in Israel, with pictures and all, even on the TV. But in case of a nuke waste here I would not want to get outside...

And I also listened to the latest conversation with Wilcock. Amazing interview!!

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To Dr.X
No, I am sure that no one is going to let us into his underground facility.
I meant that the Jerusalem mountains may offer a possible location
to set up a survivors base, and pointed out what our Government is doing.

Some of us may have an option to leave the country, this option must be
examined carefully by each person.

The rest of us to whom leaving the country is not a practical task,
must think quickly what steps they can take.
First thing to look for is land, no less then 300 meters above sea level,
with independent water supply, if we can manage that - then it's a start.
Digging Underground shelter means upgrading the concept very very high.
It takes heavy load of funds, much time and probable conflict with the law.
Digging Underground shelter is another problem to challenge.
At this point we shouldn't get into details because of BIG B. presence.

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I don't think Big B. can do a whole lot about it, let alone about its own survival.

The interview with David Wilcock was inspiring yet we still have to assume that there is a possibility that even if he is right and the Rockefellers will fall and later on the Rothchilds will do too, still Israel might be caught in the midst of it.
(Also remember he said that there will be a financial collapse, for a short time - that means that action of war should be taken in account)
Also the Asian secret society also strives for world domination, perhaps of a different style from the Rothchild's view but still, and is currently standing against Israel.

Everyone is right, everyone has a partial truth, some have a higher truth about some subjects some about other subjects, and some have lower truth about other subjects as well, therefore we must take into account ALL testimonies, whether David's or George's or HawkEye's
Now George was in the Builderberg meetings and also was supposed to meet some more guys (after his latest audio interview in Camelot-a must hear one)
he said he will talk to Camelot as soon as he gets back, though it doesn't seem he did that, for now. George is very accurate and his warnings about what is to come are consistent, the Builderberg don't play around, I hope what Benjamin is talking about will really work, because if not, a nuclear fallout is very probable, and the war starts with us, so let us not shut our eyes to some truths or open wide for others, for we can be both blindfolded or blind, we must stand still in these times, when everything can happen.

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Now what I can do is only to: consider all possibilities of what's going to happen an check out what can I/WE do in this situation, I will have it all in the conference call; I'm very busy up til about Wednesday so I think we'll have it sometime in the next weekend (Wednesday-Saturday), also I will follow daily the developments of everything using sites of this sort:
http://www.redicecreations.com/
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/
http://tbrnews.org/Archives/a2873.htm
and of course http://projectcamelot.org/index.html
to see where things are heading and if I need to consider something new.

about my private preparations; If I must leave to Ecuador, so be it.
If I don't have to do that, great, starting from the first conference call I plan to expose more and more people (we will talk about it) to join these conferences and see what can we do together; remember what George says; we must have focused intent and things will change - focused intent of changing the world to a better place not to a war zone, if a critical mass of people is doing that (focusing on intent) and acting, this is what will happen, as reality is merely the reflection of our collective consciousness.

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To Rami:
Well, I don't know about particular options for survival.
I guess we have to wait a little untill the group talk and see...


Ron just wants to get da hell out of here if something pops out!!
This is his best idea for surviving...
I frankly think so too, only that I do not feel that we will be bombed in this or the next year.

My conCERN thus, is establishing a well strengthened connection with as much people as we can gather and involve right now; shortly after to create a website of our own, with all the key info. for everybody to read and to know.

What do you say?

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I'm totally in!!! I have ideas of getting a permission of Bill and Kerry for translating the material that they have on their website to hebrew and even russian. That would be a great start for launching a website.
I've already started translating "2008: The future is now", a summary by the projectcamelot team. But for some reason couldnt get motivated.

Does anyone know how to design a website and maintain it?

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Intent is very good, but we are here for another reason which is:

Just in case something goes wrong - then what we do!

And that's there is all to it.

1. Our primary objective is to survive.

2. To survive one needs food, water, shelter and as much
as one can get of the surviving gear endless list.

3. As a Group - we need many substances that must be created
from scratch correctly - or failure and despair is guaranteed.

4. As a group - we must have some experts, capable individuals and funds.

It must be understood that forming the group is extremely difficult process.
We need Lawyer, medicine Dr., Mechanic, Artist, Musician, agriculturist,
security type and so on, and all must bring funds.
The people must be intelligent, physically and mentally healthy,
and practice very high quality social behavior.

At this time, we don't expose ourselves as experts in any field,
or what each has to offer in order to participate in such adventure.
To my view conference call is not going to produce anything constructive.

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To DR.X

*Ron just wants to get da hell out of here if something pops out!

My thinking is that, when it'll pop out - it'll be to late to split.
If departure is a consideration - I'd do it ASAP.

*To create a website of our own, with all the key info. for everybody
to read and to know. What do you say

Surviving this will take everything one's got... one may conserve
and focus his energy in favor of achieving his goal to triumph.

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Guys!! You talk like you half-awakened. You're missing something. Our primary goal is not a physical survival, we are all immortal consciousnesses. I think the most important thing is get the knowledge through to as many sleeping souls as possible. Just because a person is not useful in a post-war community we cannot choose not to awaken this particlar individual. It's not a secret that mother earth is overpopulated but with vessels (bodies) and not souls. And if wiping out will take place then you have to realize that only the vessels will cease to exist and each awakened individual has to make all that is possible to save these people from a fearful "death". So disseminating the knowledge is the most important thing and only then save our asses.
This is what i think!

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HolCaul82 previously wrote:
*people here in Israel don't give a damn about awakening, being interested in searching the truth and disclosure.
The ignorance here is unbelievable!!

rrmmii previously wrote:
*Surviving this will take everything one's got... one may conserve
and focus his energy in favor of achieving his goal to triumph.

For me this pretty much sums it up.

Educating others is very good, I got nothing against that, and I practice it myself every day.
Immortal Souls is also very good, I have nothing against Immortality also.

But I speak here on behalf of one and only mission as stated above.
At this point and time of contact, this is the only objective I am focused upon, and all the rest is history.

EVEN WITHOUT GROUPING - the bottom lines for individual action taking are:

1. liquefying assets
2. Stalking survivor gear & supplies

Anyone that my perspective as expressed here appeals to him,
and wishes to contact me, may do so at:
rami@ramistrip.com
Please type Project Avalon on Subject

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If anyone interested in this Nuclear Recovery CD mentioned by Henry Deacon in the latest interview posted on the projectcamelot.org website.... http://www.webpal.org/freecd.htm
I have a copy of this CD, if anyone interested please contact me at holcaul22@yahoo.com, with a correct mailing address.

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You better get out of the country, if Iran is attacked Russia will vaporize israel.

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I'll be quick here we I don't really have time right now.

rrmmii, your intentions are good, I understand you, BUT
It isn't a practical idea to organize such a group like you suggest, because not only that you first need to expose people to critical information, they must also believe it, and be as ready as you are to do anything to survive, that is improbable, and besides the funds for such an idea are to be too high, also food and shelter are not enough, see the list here http://www.howtosurvive2012.com/htm_...urvival_01.htm

The only practical solution, except a whole group going to Ecuador for example, is JOINING such a survival group; for example - the one in the link by Patrick Geryl.
The guy is a genius and he has been organizing his survival group for some years now, and still isn't coming up with enough people, even though he got everything sorted out and even bought the land, not enough people want to join, honestly I don't think that 2 months are enough for anyone to construct a group as such as you are suggesting.

It won't be too late if something pops up to leave the country, not only the I plan to do so BEFORE something happens - even if SOMETHING happens doesn't mean you or the airports disappear instantly.

We should focus on practical information and ideas, about that I think a conference call should be good, If you can find good communities to join and look into the CD HOLCAUL got, it should be helpful too.

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Rgersh, I'm sure the intentions of all of us are good.

* need to expose people to critical information
The idea here is that the CAMELOT crowd is well informed, so please,
we are at a further point, you must step ahead to the upper floor.
The need to educate people is an honorable but different mission.
I hope that the discussion will focus on survival only.

* It isn't a practical idea to organize such a group... The only practical solution,
except a whole group going to Ecuador...
Calculating the odds of survival by global location is good up to a point of which
contradicting data is introduced to the equation, generally I think it's best to leave
the country, but it's a big question where to.
Going anywhere including Ecuador is much less practical,
and much more complicated then getting organized here.

* ...is JOINING such a survival group
If I'll find such suitable group - I'll consider joining.

* the airports disappear instantly
You'll be surprised!...
Unless you think a runway alone will do the job.

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You are right about going to the next floor; Critical Information is really in Camelot and not Avalon, so I'll send people there, only then to get them into this forum; about the survival, organizing a group in Israel to STAY in Israel, underground or not, in a shelter or not, with supplies or not, won't do any considerable good, but a group to survive abroad, together, will be much more useful; going to Ecuador personally isn't that difficult, and staying there with a group together will be very much easier (I apologize for talking only about Ecuador and not of other places, of course others are quite considerable too)

It's either things go according to the plan of : I quote from Camelot
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1) The provocation by non-compliance in Iran
2) The upcoming attack on Iran
3) Intense repercussions on the USA
4) The IMF 'overtly' intervening in US financial matters via the Federal Reserve
5) The coming collapse of the dollar
6) A Wall Street breakdown to unbelievable lows.

All this will happen very soon, most likely by November if not before. My informers are leaving the building. The refuge is in sight.
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If this should happen, again, we are involved in the very early stages; this is not the only possible scenario, but most scenarios include (as planned) provoking a war in the middle east that starts with ISRAEL-IRAN and may result with us being turned into nothing more then the dust we all came from.
If this should not happen; with the help of the Asian Union and Russia, stopping this, we need not do a thing, therefore we are to worry for the possibility of this to REALLY HAPPEN, and in that case, maybe I'm missing something, by I can't see how staying here, with ALL KINDS OF SURVIVAL MEANS will really make it the SURVIVAL we want, if it will be one at all.

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I have a tendency to believe rather the channellers than the whistleblowers, for two reasons: First, the lie is different on every level (according to Hoagland) and Second, we know a lot less about the "hottest" whistleblowers than about dominant channellers like David Wilcock or the ones Alfed Webre surrounded himself with on Mt. Adams. What I'm saying is that I have a feeling that no major catastrophe or active Nuclear conflict will take pace, major economic downfalls might occur. I believe in a much brighter future for humanity with mass awakening. But that's a silly me!
That is why i think investing time in awakening is more important than preparing yourself for global war.

What do you think, btw, about the whole buzz around October 14th?!

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Dear fellows, it seems as if we already split into two sides: Putting our time, energy and money in creating a shalter here, or putting our time and energy in discussion how to group ourselves and flee out of here...you know, it reminds me very much of the same old pattern the Jews were facing from the beginning times of the bible - to stay in the "holy-land" or to take refuge in neighboring countries, when things get troublesome here...
The lesson, thus, from the bible was to stay in the promised land no matter what happens, not to fear of the upheavals but to take trust in the mighty Lord!

Biblical morals aside, I can speak only of myself, as I tend to support Rons' position more - my reason tells me.
I am well aware of the fairly adequate and legitimate option, as originally intended by the Project Avalon, to build a shelter here with all the necessities, yet even more appealing to me personaly is the idea not to invest anything here except to inform more people, and shortly to leave the country if necissery indeed it will be.

And what is more, that I feel we will have the opportunity to flee from here even if the turmoil has already begun yet at the right momentum, that is to our feelig, intuition, luck and reason; plus our discussion of it will help.

Ultimatly, as I vision it, the discussion here will be 'who comes and who stays' - fatal indeed!

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Well said; although I don't like to mix Judaism with Zionism, I really hope for a peaceful future in Israel, and no nuclear attack (that is A-Bomb or even N-Bomb) from neither Iran or Russia; and no attack from Israel; and overall peace, but that is very unprovable; these are only the recent reports

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1135.htm

http://www.infolive.tv/en/infolive.t...l-nuclear-iran

http://www.infolive.tv/en/infolive.t...rranean-renova

http://www.infolive.tv/en/infolive.t...efense-systems

http://www.infolive.tv/en/infolive.t...t-similar-fate

http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=177795

and the the US economy fails more as we can see
http://www.cnbc.com/id/26710362

the odds of provoking an attack grow higher

Therefore we must focus on a way to survive, I'm sure it is very much possible, even if improbable, to do it while staying in Israel;
So it is stated; about living the country we will talk in another Thread I'll create and about staying we will create a new one also; I will be active in both, for I'm still considering both options.