Is Disclosureproject a fraud ?
 

hello people

just found this video on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La6XAwJG2Ik&feature=user thought id bring it to the forums attention for a discussion what s your thoughts.


Also I remember hearing steven discussing Stan Meyer's murder on coast 2 coast and he said he had his car " Stored Away Safley " if this is so and steven wants to bring out free energy as soon as he can why hasnt he already started producing this car when all the technolgy has been done for him after all it must work perfectly because Stan Meyer got murderd for it this is just a thought

Peace

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it have surly crossed my mind a few times, havent made up my mind yet, overall i dont feel there is much progress from them... but i could be wrong...:trumpet:

Disclosureproject .....one verified witness
 

I feel one of the people involved is for real.
I have a close source that has personally confirmed this......

dan sheehan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPg29w6shMI

as for everyone else
I can not personally say

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Care is needed here, are you suggesting the Disclosure Project itself is a fraud? or the whole shebang including its over 400 witnesses?


THE WATCHER

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it is the same thing over and over again....

people of this realm have one thing in-common

GREED

it is neither bad or good

but greed destroys worlds

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ask 'whistle blowers' to go public

offering them "protection"

many who disclosed end up suffering and end up with very little support

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ps: i am not a martyr and have a mission

not a pawn on someone else's chessboard

no one "owns" me

the age of greed is about to End -
rolled-up and put into the fire

:)

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Thank you for the response Henry, although it is still unclear as whether its the Project and/or the witnesses themselves that are viewed in this manner. Mr King, although not a Camelot witness yet, has been a Disclosure Project witness since 2000. He like many of the other witnesses have become disillusioned with Dr Greer and the non movement of the Project over time. He has suffered much from his disclosing into the public domain over the past 14 years.

THE WATCHER

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If you were in Dr Greer's position, what would be your next step?

Is it possible that everyone's (including Dr Greer's) expectations about what the Disclosure Project could accomplish as far as influencing the government were unrealistic?

How effective would you say the Disclosure Project has been at awakening the public to the reality of ET presence independent of disclosure by the government? What can be done to accelerate this process?

I don't have any magic answers either. If someone out there thinks they can do better, then why don't you give it a shot?

Certainly Project Camelot is already doing its part, as are many others.

Regarding the Stan Meyer technology, Dr Greer's Orion Project is attempting to scrape together the funds to purchase it.

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As I've said on other forums: OM, Exopolitics Institute, NEDs and maybe even on those dull forums like ATS or Reality uncovered [! that title they chose always gives me a good laugh!] - you look at what an event or structure creates a multitude of levels and tangents...

So Greer's DP ammassed significant witnesses, many uncomfortable with what they were doing when going public but it caused a period of unity and helped build a concensus with which we could build on.

Secondly - from a grass-roots PoV - I've seen first hand how handing out DVDs with various disclosure footage and video on caused people to contact me or the group I was with AFTER the even an after watching the DVDs to be told - the DP material was instrumental in changing the way the look at the world. They meant it too.

Not many thing do this type of effect these days you know.

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Watching and waiting until the time is right for the signals to start...........................

THE WATCHER

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This guy reckons that The disclosure project was funded by Lawrence Rockefeller!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La6XAwJG2Ik

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That was the John Podesta linked UFO initiative under Clinton. I don't think L.R. had any direct funding links to the circa 2001 Disclosure Project.

Thing i - even if it was funded by him - there isn't always a causal link from Rockerfeller based funding to NwO/MIC naughtiness !

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I know you're right-the families of the thirteen bloodlines and co. have to do some things 'right' to confuse and play the good guy.

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Greer took disclosure as far as he could with the opposition that was at work at that time but that’s all history now.
There are bigger concerns to deal with now, the Avalon forum stands as proof of the bigger concerns ie. Survival of the Human race.

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I, for one, am very sorry HD was sold out. He risked life, limb and career to tell us what was happening.

Whether or not the sell out was intentional, we will never know. Although there seems to be two members missing from this board as of late.

Instant karma's gonna get 'ya. -- John Lennon


PS: If you see this HD, I want you to know that I warned the admin but they took no action.

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When it comes to disclosure projects of any kind, they were doomed to failure, or
became "stalled out", and some even "sold out". (oh ohh those words again)

Until the "powers that be" ALLOW this information to go "public", and on your 6 o'clock
news, it won't. :sad:

Some of us "knew" from past experiences that when this forum shut down for a "remodel"
it was probably to remove "specific information". While some of this is now true, as there
are some threads that many have said should be transferred over to here and allowed to
continue, Avalon remains about the ground crew. Not disclosure. I feel that part of the
Ground Crew's job is about disclosure. A vital part. As other whistle blowers, Gale and I
have risked "everything" to try to get our information out. We would rather not go into the
"price" we have paid, just as others have paid the price. :sad:

Disclosure WILL come, it will be witnessed by all on this planet, those ones we call the
Good ET's are going to make one hell of an appearance, and many feel this is soon.

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pardon me, but what are you all talking about? What happened to Henry, the forum, who took out disclosure info, and why? This is Project Camelot, right, the one with the hours and hours of video disclosure? why take threads off if the video interviews are still avail?

I'm not clear about what's being communicated-will you please share so we can understand? I am so, so supportive and interested...as I'm sure are all!

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The signals have begun, Barry King AKA The Voice disclosure witness is back.........

TRUTH, JUSTICE, FREEDOM

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Henry was the 'real deal'. This isn't discernment or conjecture or intuition. It is fact.

He was sold out. It may have been intentional or accidental - it doesn't matter. Those who were supposed to protect him didn't.

Then, insult was added to injury. Some people here should be ashamed.

Enough said. Good luck Henry.

neko ni koban

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The failure of the Disclosure Project would be everyone's responsibilty I think.
The witnesses themselves as a body of evidence were compelling.
I think ending with Carol Rosin talking about false flag UFO invasion was a bad idea as it bore no relation to the previous testimony.

As for Henry whether you believe the man or not isn't the point. I don't think anyone would say they find every witness compelling. It seems to me Bill and Kerry try to let them talk and us decide.

But now that there is a public forum any potential witness can now see the trash talk that they might be subjected to and it might put them off.

I'm not saying sshhh but there are ways and there are ways. One by one the very access you all probably wished you had to Project Camelot interviewees is being lost. You can blame mind parasites or dark spirits or whatever but they weren't the problem.

I just hope as a community we realise that dialogue extracts more information than accusation.

Cheers, Chris.

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The admin have been given a heads up (warning) about specific problems, and those who cause them. Lies at every level, and we know who the father of the lie is.

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I don’t believe this tripe for a second.

Get the Disclosure Project book with the witness testimony; go through it with a fine tooth comb and you will see that the revelations made from the witnesses corresponds with new technology that has surfaced in the last 8 years.

The ground work that the disclosure project laid was the fact that we have no clue what the government has been working on these past 50 years. The brave few who have come forward with information is just scratching the surface on what we really have.

Why do you all doubt when there is so much information that you can go back and fact check? If anything gives credence to the disclosure project and the witness testimony it has been Project Camelot’s witness testimony and revelations the past 2 years.

If you discount the disclosure project you might as well discount it all.

This cat needs to do some more digging and less talking.

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Does it matter?

Listen to them when they speak. Ask yourself, does it
serve you and your highest good Take what is valuable and leave the rest.

You are aware now. What more do you need? It doesn't
matter if they lie or not, if they speak or not. Just go about your business with purposeful haste. Your business
being birthing a new paradigm: Personal responsibility.
Decentralized local community. Dream it. Live it. Make it
happen.

You really don't need any of them. You are that powerful.
Whistleblowers, legislators, presidents. They can be ignored into irrelevance. You don't need to find a parade. You can BE the parade.

Paul Newman has died. The fathers are passing. I almost
qualify for elder status myself. I speak to you now as an
elder trying the new position on for size. Go about your business. Be the parade. Where will you take us. Tyranny or Utopia? Your children await your answer.

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I join Theresa in asking... How was Henry sold out? By who? What are you talking about?

Also... Just a general comment about the availability of whistleblowers here at the forum. All PC interviewees should accept that open forum is a place for questions and discussion. There are intelligent people here who simply cannot accept at face value everything 'whistleblowers' have to say. We are grateful for their presence here but not so grateful that we will swallow it whole. So, given all the contrasting info we're hearing, everything has to be open to question.

If people emerge from black -ops programs to talk about what they are doing you can be certain beyond the shadow of a doubt that their revelations are sanctioned by their employers. As well as the question of what is true, the questions of motive are open to discuss. What agendas are served by the info and disinfo? I hope this type of question is acceptable and i hope the dialogue continues.

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Perhaps this might be of interest ....

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/foru...ad9268-15.html

and

http://www.bariumblues.com/bearden_disinformation.htm

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wtf
 

holy $%#@ lawrence rockefeller is on the acknowlegments page. wtf is going on. http://www.disclosureproject.org/ go to about us and go to acknowledgments. he is on the right hand side. do you get the feeling your mind just might explode?

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lawrence rockefeller has pumped a bit of cash into the study of ufos i thought? Didn't he petition bill clinton about it when he was president?

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i didnt know he pumped any cash into ufo's, not so publicly anyway. do you think he is just getting his enemies close or that he acually can stear all that information wherever hey/they likes. i mean he is part of what people call cabal- illuminati- shadow government and the like, right? my little researching shows this anyway. it is tough only tackling one issue at a time i know but, when one little piece does not fit. It really affects everything else.
benny

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I will reiterate:

I for one am thankful the Disclosure Project accumulated the information and witnesses that they did. It was ground breaking and was taken as far as could be under the levels of control at that time.
I would be more curious as to why at this time we are allowed to freely discuss these things on Avalon.

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Intresting toughts, but is it really a fraud?
I'm always sceptic of most topics, Dr. Steven Greer did his best the way he did it. But it wassent on my 6 o'clock news...

We try to build a community of people who builds his life towards 2012 and all the rest that is unknown to us.
What if they give us this kind of information to make us feel better... a link to this tought --> http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kp24ZeHtv4
There are some amazing ufo stories out there, and what does history tell us?

Anyway I think the Disclosureproject is a good docu for nonbelivers, a wake up call?

Peace :insane:

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i still believe everything from the witnesses and i even have Dr Greer's book. but finding out a rockefeller is rubbing shoulders with the whole thing. just takes me back to when i first found out that bush is best mates with bin ladin.

do we all need to go back to the begining again and start from scratch?

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I don't think it has anything to do with the credibility of the witnesses themselvs to do, but rather why they try to get it out and made public - specifically why Rockefellers would want this.

Some have been speculating in this being because they want to make people believe there is an alien threat and come up with another false flag operation , this time from outer space.

Rockefellers involvement is mentioned in the official Disclosure Project briefing document itself:

http://www.lulu.com/items/volume_33/521000.../Disclosure.pdf

Some more information from another website:
http://www.the7thdimension.com/2008/02/bil...t-laurence.html

In an interview one Disclosure Projects own pages Dr Green mentions involvement with Rockefeller and others:
http://www.disclosureproject.org/Phenomena...wSept102004.htm

From wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Rockefeller

That's as much as I got on this so far, but I found it interesting..

-EA

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I think that believeing the disclosure project is a fraud is a bigger conspiracy than the actual ufo conspiracy. These are very credible witnesses with hours worth of interviews. What is also interesting is that Gary Mckinnon who is the man from the uk who faces 60 years in an american jail for hacking into nasa in the search for ufo evidence, researched into one of the nasa workers working for nasa. He found the actual department where she said she worked and also found images of alien spacecraft. Here's the interview http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=B4PkNPCEnJM

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i guess this thread name should be changed to disclosure project has a spie
I wrote to Dr Richard Boylan
i wont indorse the content but it assists to continue this little investigation.
here is what i wrote to him:
just wanted to point out that I went to the project disclosure website and looked in the 'about' section and then the 'acknowelegment' section and I found Lawrence rockefeller about halfway down the right hand side.
now my question. he is in what you call the CABAL right? so what is he doing funding the research that he does not want the public to see? is he manipulating the disclosure project? is the disclosure project a farce? are they trying to discredit any whistle blower they get on their side by controlling the front runner Dr Greer?

please reply Dr Boylan. If possible could you add information.

here is my reply:

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here is my reply:
Ben, et al.,

Hello.
Of course Steven Greer is a wholly-purchased "asset" of Lawrence Rockefeller and the Rockefeller family. The Rockefellers are uber-Cabal.
Lawrence Rockefeller financed UFO research which was tame and controlled, (nothing too serious saw the light of public view). Meanwhile Steven Greer's "credibility" as an "industrious UFO investigator and advocate" grew. Greer is a "sleeper" agent.
For more see: http://www.drboylan.com/openltr2ufocomm.html

in the light,

Richard Boylan, Ph.D.

i will try contacting Dr Greer himself, see what he says.

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sorry guys. i guess i need to tell you the reason i asked Dr Boylan.

i watched a doco called safespace fastwalker files and seen that Dr Greer and Dr Boylan were both in this doco.

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I have learned nothing from the Disclosure Project that wasn't already known.

Where I learned new nooz is in the NASA Rover database, checking to see whether their photos are real or not. They're not.

Once you know this, you can begin to GROK the real situation. Don't go there if you scare easy.

:lol3: Shech--

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Knock the Disclosure Project if you wish, I have no problem with that, as long as you continue to have the courtesey to not knock the actual 400+ witnesses whom have come forward. They risk, they have a lot to lose, they have nothing to gain, but a need to educate the public. Do you trust Dr Boylan more than Dr Greer then? Perhaps they all have an agenda of sorts?


THE WATCHER aka BMK

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hey schech,
can you post the website your refering too and explain how they are not real. I dont doubt it. we should show all evidence we can on anything we are doing here and on other threads. it makes it easier on everyone else. and all us investigating together and freely showing it, can bring alot of knowledge.
benny

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you will notice that i do not discredit any witness.
just trying to get to the bottom of it. i cant be like anyone else and just whisk over the information that does not fit. nor should any of us.
we are no better off if we do that. and all of us here should contribute some research so as to come to a conclusion amongst us. by all means get something about Dr Boylan. it could become very circular in the info that we get. But, we will find a way to break that circle and find what is outside of it.