HEY COMMUNITY! question about "greys" and "nordics" (looking for answers)
 

ive talked about this in other threads but id like to ask the community what they think. i mean NO disrespect to st clair, burisch, wilcock and others with these questions. they might be 100% absolutley spot on regarding these matters. ok here we go.

(first off let me state im going off of dr steven greer's statements that grey's and reptillians are 'programmed life forms" used covertly with psy op tech to perform abductions and perform genetic research as well as create a xenophopic and scared reaction to ET's)

1. if greys are extremely evolved and technologically advanced, why go to all the trouble to abduct someone when they could easily snag a few million hair samples take them back to the ship/or planet and have an army of humans to experiment on to their hearts content. they could come here get it and we'd never see them again, most likely without much fuss.

if greys are from the future and came back to find a cure for their race and work with our scientists in exchange for their technology-

2. why would they need to work with our scientists if theyre 45,000 years ahead of us? thats like us going back in time to build a nuclear fusion reactor with a neanderthal.

3.if we have a treaty with them for technology, why are we shooting down UFO's with scalar technology to back engineer them? why are we grilling the live ET captures for info as clifford stone says?

4. if they're from the future why would they bother to come to the 20th century when we'd be more technologically a threat than say 10,000 bc or 300 AD? why bother with treaties at all?

5. why are the "good guys" the "Nordics", aka our future selves blonde haired and blue eyed? is that the best of the best genetic stock? is chinese, african, latino inferior? after 52,000 years did we decide to eliminate them? does that sound like a "good" future, or does it sound like Hitler's master race? doesnt that sound like something Nazi's brought here in the 40's and 50's and in the service of the shadow gov/black ops might like us to think?

6. assuming the "greys" are not our military's genetic creations, that means they are ET's interfering with our development. why would other ET's watching us allow them to do so? it would be like us watching and observing animals in a zoo and some crazy guy goes into the monkey cage and starts grabbing the chimps and screwing with them-why would the zookeepers allow this? they wouldnt.

7.assume for a moment that very very highly technologically and spiritually evolved beings watch many planets such as ours and many others (as i believe), and we have most likely been quarratined here until we can act peacfully, isnt it safe to assume other races have been watched and put under these same guidlines? in other words how can hostile beings be here experimenting on us? why would they be allowed to leave their biosphere?

8. if the "nordics" kicked the "greys" out of there system or reptillians were "dumped" here as many say, wouldnt those higher beings or "nordics" be directly responsible for much of our pain and misery? to do a thing consciously and knowingly? thats a high karmic price to pay for such evolved enlightened beings. if a 6th grade teacher kicks a disruptive student out of class and into the kindergarten class next door, and that same student starts to kick the crap out of the kindergartners and manipulate them, isnt the teacher responsible dont you think the teacher would send the kid firstly to the principle's office where a more powerful person is in charge of the bad 6th grader?

9. who benefits from a paranoid "alien agenda" scenario?

10. is it a coincidence that the mass reporting of "abduction phenomena" (not contactees) has been reported after roswell (perhaps the first time the military could back engineer the technology) and that we brought nazi eugenics/ space program scientists over here and that theyve hijacked the ET phenomena to covertly continue their warped agenda?

10. isnt it possible that the shadow government/black ops have enough sophisticated tech to implement "channeled" messages to inherently psychic people, and that much can damage can be done through mind control/ psychotronics to manipulate the UFO community?

11. doesnt the lack of discussion concerning PLF"S (prgrammed life forms) among the UFO community suggest that maybe the shadow government wants it that way?

anyhow i could go on and on, id like to hear what people think and if they have answers to these questions. personally my mind isnt made up, but it does make sense that real ET contact is few and far between and the bulk of it is disinfo,hoaxed, military, mind control etc.
meanwhile the real ET's watch the shadow goverment's manipulation of this whole subject

what do yall think?

:)

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yowza! no responses....anyone?

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Excellent points on 1,2,3,4 I'd like answers too!

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im hoping more community members will give their 2 cents regarding these questions...

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even 1 cent would do!

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come onnnnnn, people....waiting here.

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haha i see the same guys who are interested as much as me are the only posters. i feel like threads concerning this are unpopular because either the questions are pretty hard to answer, people dont want to answer, or there are more exciting threads! (interestingly heavy duty themed posts like "internatonal talk like a pirate day" has more responses -sarcasm- :))

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Wow, I'm impressed you've really given this some thought. I'd like to know the answers to those questions myself.

Lulu

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Blonde people are easier to brain wash, tall people don't challenge convention as much, these are preferred by the reptilians/orions/greys. Anyone who tries creating artificial divisions between the races cannot be taken seriously. Andromedans are the only group I would consider remotely trustworthy.

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hunh? where do you get the evidence to support blonde people are easy to brainwash? and tall people not challenging conventions? huh? im looking for answers a little less, how do i say politely...err..outlandish.

i think you missed the overall point of my post.

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clark, love your mind. Can't wait to see you turn into a superman. Catch you in the clouds, my brother.

I would like to give you my perspective on all of the information and disinformation that flows into these forums, if I may.

You raise some really good questions. I don't have your answers. In fact, I don't think anyone has my answers either.
Solution? Change the questions.

I see the bickering and side-taking going on over what I consider to be trivial little details that really ought to fall into the "so what" category. Like when kids want to argue over who said what, at what exact moment in time that makes the other kid wrong. It's a game of leverage, with the ultimate goal of being right. It's a short-sighted endeavor that yields absolutely no results for the collective...just a momentary boost for the individuals' ego. Now, I understand there is an entire population of truth seekers in Avalon. I applaud every one of them for accepting the responsibility to lead those that would otherwise be content to stay sleeping into the light. I also understand that everyone is susceptible to the ego. And everyone wants to know all the answers. We all want to know when things are going to happen, when is it time to go, what should we get, who should we band together with, who is an agent of truth, and who is an unwitting agent of disinformation. The more focused we become upon the information, the less we focus upon the love and connection that will afford us all with the answers. You see? In our quest to KNOW, we're overlooking the real secret to knowing. Connection. Division is the opposite of connection. Information can either confirm and unite, or create suspicion and doubt. Suspicion and doubt are the seeds of fear and hate.

Which wolf will you feed?

Choose your battles. Your energy is key in all of this. If there's a detail from one witness (who, by the way, is a human being just like the rest of us) that doesn't necessarily jive with that of another witness...it doesn't have to mean that one of them is lying and that they should no longer be trusted. It simply confirms that the lie is different at every level. It confirms the terrific appetite of the ego and its ability to unbalance even the most seasoned warriors of light. It confirms the instability of information learned vs. information intuited. It confirms how intent the PTB are in their quest to keep us in this place of division. We're all being presented with these opportunities, and old habits - programmed habits - of judgement and left-brained information regurgitation are manifesting themselves as stumbling blocks on our path to ascension.

I used to play soccer in school and one of my coaches used to play professionally. One of the things he taught us was that when you and an opposing team member are both racing in the same direction for the ball and the ref happens to be directly in the direction you're both running...a simple tug on the back of your opponents shirt (where the ref can't see) is often all that is necessary to win that short race to the ball. Leave it to a pro to teach kids how to cheat! :lmao: These details are little tugs. We get to choose whether or not they're going to slow us down or not. If a detail doesn't immediately resonate, or if something someone else says contradicts that detail, let it go. Put it into the "so what" category and drive on with what you DO KNOW. What do we know? That we're not alone. That we're far more powerful than we've been programmed to believe. That light trumps dark. And that we're all ONE. Everything else? Unnecessary.

CERN just had a little technical problem that put their little endeavor on hold. Did we do that? Or was it another benevolent race looking out for us, like the ones who took out those nuclear missiles?
A better question - Does it matter? There's a lot of speculation, or fact - depending on how much validity you give that person's story - as to where all these different races stand. What of the greys? And what's up with the blonde, blue-eyed aliens? My question is, what does it matter? I haven't met any of them yet. When I do, then I'll make my conclusions. Until then?
I've got work to do. And it doesn't have a damn thing to do with feeding the machine of fear and division. We've got to keep our eyes on the ball. We've got a job to do, and splitting hairs and wrestling with unnecessary details isn't getting us there. Love is.

Love and light. And victory.
Peace.

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Since you asked, I'll give you my input.

Same reason loggers don't just pick a few acorns and go back where they came from to grow themselves a forest. If the trees are already there for the taking, then they take it. Besides, I don't think sampling our DNA is why greys are here. Instead of saying greys-as-aliens don't exist, I would say greys are pawns of an agenda that goes way beyond mere genetics stuff.

I don't believe they need a cure for anything. They come off more as manufactured biobots than their own species in need of healing. But I say manufactured by other aliens wanted to hide themselves, not just the military.

I doubt they need knowledge from our scientists. More likely they are doing it for logistical infiltration of our military-industrial-scientific complex, the use of already-existing human infrastructure (shadow government operations) to further their ends, and the giving of rigged technology in exchange for freedom to abduct whomever they please without interference by the government.

Government/military has a treaty with negative ETs, and are using their weapons systems to shoot down crafts of opposing factions, probably those of the more positive ETs. Positive ETs would probably have an ethical problem with giving their technology freely to the human military, thus the military tries to take it by force. And the greys and their controllers would benefit from that as well, learning about their enemies this way.

Who's to say they weren't here already 10,000BC, and have worked patiently and cunningly all this time to set up the very NWO system coming to fruition today? Maybe they are a small group and need us to shackle ourselves and hand over the keys to them, thus saving them much energy and logistics in not having to do it all themselves.

Why treaties? To get humans to hand over certain things willingly. It's a covert form of manipulation that doesn't require violence, just negotiation to achieve aims.

Good question. Maybe look at the cultures of various peoples on earth and tell me which ones have the highest alien-like traits. Who makes up the bulk of humanitarian groups on earth? Who prizes individuality the most? Who is most inclined toward mechanical / technological proficiency?

Why didn't the US intervene in Zimbabwe these past few years? Why didn't the good guys of the world wipe out Pol Pot early in the game? Why did the holocaust happen? It's because sometimes things are beyond one's jurisdiction, beyond one's capabilities, because intervening would lead to a greater conflict one is not prepared to handle, or because one is trying to do something but not yet achieved success.

Also, intervention is futile in certain cases where the cause is immaturity, dependency, ignorance, stupidity, dysfunction, etc...where the abused parties have some learning to do on their own and secretly need the experience, where intervention denies them the opportunity to grow up.

I think we've been quarantined more because we're not grown up enough to take part in the "big boys" games out there in the universe. Imagine a five year old running onto the field of a professional football game. There's a reason the crowd is kept behind a fence. If the kid wants to join the game, he'll have to grow older, train, become a professional player and then is allowed. Positive ETs would want us to stay here to not get clobbered out there, and negative ETs want us to stay to keep us in inside the cattle ranch.

That's right, though I don't buy that story either about greys or reptilians being dumped on earth. If they were dumped, they should have been put on Mars if anything. Mars... the australia of the solar system.

I tell you what, if a paranoid alien agenda viewpoint prevents the manifestation of the very things predicted in the scenario, then all of mankind will benefit. Although I prefer the more complex view where you have to distinguish between various alien factions, how they relate to the military factions, and so on. I don't think all aliens should be rejected in one swoop.

Let me propose a better question: who benefits from either an "aliens are just military-created puppets" or gullible "aliens are here to save us" scenario? Lots and lots of shady human and alien forces would benefit.

Grey abductions skyrocketed after the 1950s. That's more an indication of that supposed treaty between them and the government, technology in exchange of permission to abduct. But abductions do go back in history, way back, they just weren't called "alien" abductions but rather various mystical or superstitious experiences.

As for the Nazis, remember now that the Thule society claimed to be in contact with beings from Aldeberan, that Hitler got the sh*t scared out of him when his alien masters showed up for him (negative nordic types probably) who epitomized for him the uebermensch he was so tasked with creating out of the aryan gene pool. Therefore it's more likely that the Nazi scientists came to the U.S. and continued working with negative aliens to create the situation we have today.

Yes, and isn't it curious how so many channeled messages portray various dubious alien factions as positive instead? Or how the most high profile abductees (who were probably programmed and groomed for the task) are the ones presenting a benign and apologetic view of the alien presence? Meanwhile reports of negative abductions, negative aliens, etc... get relegated to the fringes, ignored, because they're simply not warm, cozy, entertaining, and sensational enough like the fake cases. If the military cabal is working with negative ETs, they would have every motivation to be involved in this exact type of programming and manipulation you're talking about.

Right, because that would poke a nice big hole into the "Greys are here to help us and them evolve" deception. How can they do that if they are just PLFs? But the twist here is that, like I said, they're not just PLFs of the shadow government, but of negative alien groups as well. There's also the issue of, if PLFs can be made in the image of greys, then why not in the shape of humans too? And if so, how many famous people, politicians, UFO researchers, are actually PLFs? You see where that goes. It creates mistrust in authority and the illusion that both the shadow government and negative alien groups are trying to maintain.

Now, my point in responding to your questions is to show that there is a more complex, thorough, and explanatory hypothesis that goes beyond the idea that aliens are solely the creation of the shadow government. I'm saying that negative aliens and the shadow government are working together to pull the wool over everyone's eyes, and that they're doing it through fake abductions, fake channeling, fake researchers, fake insider testimony, fake crop circles, fake this and fake that. But that amidst all this deception there is truth, and it's a small needle in a very big haystack.

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well we'll all find out in time! thanks for your input...id like to see what others say still ! :)

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recallone- im totally with you -ultimately we are part of a bigger cosmic family and are all at different stages of awareness. this is clear: love, harmony, and balance are the only way to go. indeed we ALL ARE ONE , good and bad, which is amazing and frankly a relief. if we all truly understood this what a great world it would be!....in time eh?

thanks for your response!! :thumb_yello:

-k

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Perhaps the 'soul' and/or collected experience is part of the issue? Simple cloning may not be what they are after...

Maybe to make our current technology and understanding more advanced to service their own needs. Why build something when you can make others learn and build it for you?

Not sure here. Assumed it would be faster to just get all the info from the captive than to attempt back-engineering (which can take decades)?

Probably because this is a pivotal point in the evolution of the species. Remember the 'event' that is talked about which splits the race? Perhaps they want to be as close as possible to the point right before that event?

52000 years of evolution -- across **galaxies** -- can probably change a race significantly. ;) Mix races (black, chinese, caucasian, whatever) and give it time and perhaps dominant features would indeed be from this 'Nordic' element (again, combined with 52000 years of evolution). Besides, spiritual evolution may reflect heavily on physical evolution - we do not know.

Would you go to war with someone or attempt to help the people that 'someone' is messing with instead?

Currently no answer here. :)

That is not the story that I heard... But in any case. One answer that I can offer is that everything serves a purpose in the universe. 'Good' is just a polar opposite of 'bad', one cannot exist without the other. Even that which we consider 'bad' can serve a beneficial role - just as something that we consider 'good' can serve a harmful role. Think about it - the reptilian and gray influence also poses a challenge from which humanity can emerge stronger and more knowledgeable.

Anyone in control of a lot of people/beings. Fear is a driver of obedience.

Can you elaborate? I do not quite see the relationship there.

Sure, but this can be said of just about any area in life, so you either become paralyzed with paranoia or believe what you want. :)

If there are many PLFs, someone programmed them, meaning an extremely sophisticated level of technology. So this still falls within a similar sphere of concepts as UFOs.

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So those were my thoughts on your concerns. :)

Nordics
 

First of all, really excellent post and great questions.

In the Barbara Marciniak books channeled from the Pleaidean nordics, they pretty much take responsibility for having done this and are now trying to make amends. But not by "saving" us from our self imposed trials, rather than by informing of us who we are...sovereign, powerful creators of our own circumstances, multidimensional beings with incredible and enviable genetic material.

Sarah

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In Puerto Rico there was a massive histeria about the chupacabras. It was reported on a daily basis on the media, people did not know what to make of it. UFO's where watch at the same time this, " ET" run amock .
Mayors of towns gather a pose to seek out for this unearthly being.
All of the sudden the FCC threathen the major news media on the Island to to suspend their FCC licence if they continue reporting this phenomenon. It stop...What I always suspected it to be was a genetic experiment created in a lab. yes a lot of UFO's are not from the far-off galaxies they are man made.
Those that have actually encounter the greys or the nordics, would safeguard that information and will quickly discredit any eye witness.
Our imagination runs wild and things get exagerrated and blown out of proportion. Most of the information gather is base on second hand information or hypnotic intervention or through chanelling. So I do not worry
about what is an obvious reality. It is common sense that whoever and whatever they are we are not alone. I only hope that they come in peace and that they can help us to learn about ourselves and our true origin, and perhaps help us in our quest for peace, love and understanding...

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yeh all these questions are mind boogleing enough to make me wanna repeatablely smash my head into the desk, it's annoyeing watching interview after interview and reading testomonie after testomonie and its like 50% say grays are evil while the othere 50% say there here to help and just a whole bunch of othere "witness" statement's just seem to cancle out some one elles.

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clarkkent,
Seems to me you may not find all the answers your looking for from a single post of questions. Perhap's first, you might decide which asnswers from researchers are the ones making most sense to you, as accepting all or most answers from so many varying opinions of Ufologists could lead to a mind-melt-down.

There could be 27 or 127 or more varieties of EBEs here. My work attempts to stay within four or five to help keep my sanity and remain focused, i.e.:
Draco Reps
Greys (small)
Greys (Large)
Tall Blondes & Nordics,
and odd species out of the main stream but within a big report such as Chupacabra. As soon as I read any particular EBE/UFO High Strangeness researcher bases his research interest on his own abduction experience -- I run. This includes Strieber and Greer.

I suppose one way to home into some truths regarding this area is through process of elimination. Round two might be the intense research effort to find similarities through CE1-4 reports, descriptions of EBEs, Craft and stuff. Research is everything in this area and in the end may not offer the answers one might have expected to find at the getgo? :shocked:
RSF

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I sometimes get caught up in these kinds of questions and I can go on and on for hours before grounding myself again to the one simple fact: spiritual evolution is different from physical evolution, and that is different from technological evolution.

Just because the grays appear to have technologically advanced transportation systems for themselves doesn't mean squat about how their bodies and souls have evolved. The only thing that has made sense to me about them is that they focused TOO much on intellect and logic, and they lost sense of who they were... no intuition, no sixth sense, no emotions like love/fear/empathy/anger, no realization of where their place is in this whole multi-superverse. They have hit an evolutionary dead end- just like our science took a tangent a hundred years ago that has proved to force us into a technological dead end (we are limited in how fast we can fly because of the inherent limitations of jet propulsion). We will never evolve technology until we re-write our understanding of science.

So anyway, they are trying to recapture what they lost. Evidently, I guess it is in the DNA... and what better species to study it in than volatile earthlings? I am sure they got permission from some galactic federation to use us because no one else wanted their species to go through what humans go through during those experiments. It's not like the grays care about the pain or fear they cause. To them, the end justifies the means- and ironically, that is what they are trying to get away from. We just don't have the telepathic abilities to stop them or fight back like other "higher" species do.

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Oh, and a few chupacabras have been captured here in Texas. They did a DNA test on one. It turns out it was a cross species between a fox and a Mexican wolf. Kinda like what a mule is to a donkey and a horse.

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The Human Race on Earth is moving into a transition of change that will lead to a crossroad - Do we advance as a race of love and spirituality? Or do we continue with our warlike nature? Our altered DNA will awaken - this may lead to a golden age.

But it is now crucial to decide where we go from here. It is my opinion that the Nordics and grays are US from the future. The humans that went towards the spiritual path became the Nordics and the Humans that clinged more to the material (robotics and technology) became the grays.

The grays are dying off in the future, so they came back to get samples of Humans (that you call Neanderthal) due to the drastic changes to humans over thousands of years. So they are creating a new race to continue our evolution. Physical bodies are like vehicles. They transport their memories into a hybrid and get new bodies.

Nordics and grays are not the only races that derive from us (we are the ancestors). The Pleiadians and other human like races also venture to different star systems. And I assure you that the chinese and all other wonderful ethnical groups get to evolve too. So it is not a race thing. There will be a division between the Humans due to their beliefs and ascension.

There is a whole network of races coming together to watch the show of what happens to us due to the shift in 2012. Basically everthing that goes down now will determine the outcome.

Now, I have no info on the reptilians. That is the darker race. And since I am a lightworker, I have no connection to those lower realms.

But we are a very important key to all those races out there. We have unbelievable power because we have pure god consciousness capabilities. This is what leads to the Golden Age.

But the rift and separation of our race will be due to the events that will occur after the shift. One race goes one way. The spiritual race goes elsewhere. Different timelines will be created.

That is my opinion anyway. Thanks for the discussion. :biggrin2:

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Know what I think of when I remember that "they" are watching us up there to see what happens? I am sure there is a justifiable reason for many, but if there are any who aren't all that spiritually evolved, then they may just be spectators.

They bought a ticket to the Sodom and Gomorrah Show! (Pet Shop Boys song)


Are you gonna go... to the Sodom and Gomorrah Show?
It's got everything you need for your complete entertainment, and instruction
Sun, sex, sin, divine intervention, death and destruction
It's the Sodom and Gomorrah Show, a once in a lifetime production!

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lol

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Chupacabras you know is funny the description here in the Island they look like reptilians with long claws and spikes in the back. From that to the latest description on Documentaries on tv to an ugly grey looking dog with no hairs is a long way from the description on the Island. Oh well what can I say,
what the heck do I know. Another miystery solved, or maybe not, hmm...
Hey I hope the friendly ET's have a sense of humor. What are the hobbies of the nordics, they will be awesome on a basketball court.:thumb_yello:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn8MLqSdEeQ
Houman

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Very interesting!
Maybe Steven only understands part of what is going on!
Tall grey short grey , fat grey ,white greys, good grey,bad grey,over eighty varieties.
Please check out Phil Snyder.
Originally Posted by clarkkent
1. if greys are extremely evolved and technologically advanced, why go to all the trouble to abduct someone when they could easily snag a few million hair samples take them back to the ship/or planet and have an army of humans to experiment on to their hearts content. they could come here get it and we'd never see them again, most likely without much fuss.
NQuote:Perhaps the 'soul' and/or collected experience is part of the issue? Simple cloning may not be what they are after...

1.They need to repair their emotional body, which was damaged a long time ago, you can be very intelligent and not feel love. DNA., and Soul has every thing to do with it.
1a Time is a illusion, Past, present and future are one. Linear time as we conceptualize it, based on the movement of planets, in our solar system is just that, a concept.
Perhaps as Dan Burish suggests, they were trying to change a timeline.
Not to find a cure but to prevent a possible time line, which caused the problems?
Also take into consideration multi dimensional possibilities.

2. why would they need to work with our scientists if theyre 45,000 years ahead of us? thats like us going back in time to build a nuclear fusion reactor with a neanderthal.
2. See 1a. Timeline, Did they plan on being caught?
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3.if we have a treaty with them for technology, why are we shooting down UFO's with scalar technology to back engineer them? why are we grilling the live ET captures for info as clifford stone says?
3. Treaty with one group or possibly two, Tall and one of the short variety.
There agenda and our governments. Not a treaty with all species, lots of technology out there. Shoot em down, what can we steal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awGOXaAA0Ts
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4. if they're from the future why would they bother to come to the 20th century when we'd be more technologically a threat than say 10,000 bc or 300 AD? why bother with treaties at all?
4.See 1a again please.
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5. why are the "good guys" the "Nordics", aka our future selves blonde haired and blue eyed? is that the best of the best genetic stock? is chinese, african, latino inferior? after 52,000 years did we decide to eliminate them? does that sound like a "good" future, or does it sound like Hitler's master race? doesnt that sound like something Nazi's brought here in the 40's and 50's and in the service of the shadow gov/black ops might like us to think?
5. Aka our future selves? Nordic, good guys? Not sure about this one, are you referring to pleiadian? And, are all of any races, all good?
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6. assuming the "greys" are not our military's genetic creations, that means they are ET's interfering with our development. why would other ET's watching us allow them to do so? it would be like us watching and observing animals in a zoo and some crazy guy goes into the monkey cage and starts grabbing the chimps and screwing with them-why would the zookeepers allow this? they wouldnt.
6. Some varieties of greys are thought to be Aninuki, Creations like slaves, servants. The Aninuki have a rich history of test tubin it, on this planet, along with others. Sumerian history, and even mentioned in the Old Testament, bible, the Anuk’s.
Who are the Zoo keepers?
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7.assume for a moment that very very highly technologically and spiritually evolved beings watch many planets such as ours and many others (as i believe), and we have most likely been quarratined here until we can act peacfully, isnt it safe to assume other races have been watched and put under these same guidlines? in other words how can hostile beings be here experimenting on us? why would they be allowed to leave their biosphere?
7.Not all have been Quarantined, there are many walk ins, light workers and being here to help in ascension of this planet. Some have been, Quarantined. Plus we have been pretty good at killing each other! And trashing our planet.Also consider Pirius’s answer.
I think we've been quarantined more because we're not grown up enough to take part in the "big boys" games out there in the universe. Imagine a five year old running onto the field of a professional football game. There's a reason the crowd is kept behind a fence. If the kid wants to join the game, he'll have to grow older, train, become a professional player and then is allowed. Positive ETs would want us to stay here to not get clobbered out there, and negative ETs want us to stay to keep us in inside the cattle ranch.
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8. if the "nordics" kicked the "greys" out of there system or reptillians were "dumped" here as many say, wouldnt those higher beings or "nordics" be directly responsible for much of our pain and misery? to do a thing consciously and knowingly? thats a high karmic price to pay for such evolved enlightened beings. if a 6th grade teacher kicks a disruptive student out of class and into the kindergarten class next door, and that same student starts to kick the crap out of the kindergartners and manipulate them, isnt the teacher responsible dont you think the teacher would send the kid firstly to the principle's office where a more powerful person is in charge of the bad 6th grader?
8. I would say there has been some tinkering, with the human race, and manipulation. Consider fallen one’s , giants, and technologies springing up, seemingly out of nowhere.
And I would say yes Karma is universal! Also consider Nik’s #8 again please.

But in any case. One answer that I can offer is that everything serves a purpose in the universe. 'Good' is just a polar opposite of 'bad', one cannot exist without the other. Even that which we consider 'bad' can serve a beneficial role - just as something that we consider 'good' can serve a harmful role. Think about it - the reptilian and gray influence also poses a challenge from which humanity can emerge stronger and more knowledgeable.
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9. who benefits from a paranoid "alien agenda" scenario?
9. Everyone wants to understand, at some level what the true history of the human race is.
If humanity really knew what has been hidden from them, it would empower them to change everything! So who is benefiting, anyone who does not want us to wake up, to who we really are, spiritually.

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10. is it a coincidence that the mass reporting of "abduction phenomena" (not contactees) has been reported after roswell (perhaps the first time the military could back engineer the technology) and that we brought nazi eugenics/ space program scientists over here and that theyve hijacked the ET phenomena to covertly continue their warped agenda?
10 a.Yes it is!
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10.b isnt it possible that the shadow government/black ops have enough sophisticated tech to implement "channeled" messages to inherently psychic people, and that much can damage can be done through mind control/ psychotronics to manipulate the UFO community?
10.b Sure, but does that do away with our interconnectedness to the rest of the universe?
Perhaps this is where discernment comes in.
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11. doesnt the lack of discussion concerning PLF"S (prgrammed life forms) among the UFO community suggest that maybe the shadow government wants it that way?
11. Perhaps people are just not ready to believe there president could be a clone or robotic!! I would say the technology has been around a very long time, in fact just look how some so called humans act, no love in em.

We do need to keep our eye’s on the ball, understanding, remembering and healing is a major part of bringing in LOVE.

Re: common sense question about "greys" and "nordics"
 

for the record, i dont have a great brain that came up with these questions, but they DEFINITELY are common sense and challenge the current theories that are popular in ufology/fringe realms.

my source of these questions comes from Dr steven greer and others he has spoken to. Im not saying its the gospel truth, but it certainly makes sense when you read it, ive posted it before and ill do here again-its a VERY good read and summary , here you go- and thanks for some of the more measured and mature responses (though in the end its still up in the air)

here you go peeps!




Abductions - Not All that Glitters is Gold

by Steven M. Greer, M.D.
Copyright 1996

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Since the late 1970s, there has been an unprecedented focus in the UFO subculture and pop media on the subject of so-called 'alien abductions'. A constant stream of books, videos, movies, lectures and the like have served to keep this subject in the forefront of our awareness. Across America, numerous cities have self-styled 'abduction support groups', and an increasing number of therapists have begun to counsel and advise alleged victims of alien abductions.

But we have found that there is something much stranger going on than 'alien abductions', and the truth about this matter is far more bizarre than the idea of ETs taking women aboard UFOs to create babies which incubate in space.

Before exploring the really bizarre - and scary - things going on with this phenomenon, let us first state what is obvious to all but the true believers and hard-core abduction aficionados: Not all that glitters is gold, and we are dealing with a multiplicity of phenomena, not a single phenomenon, as conventional wisdom now holds.

Let no one conclude, please, that what follows is a denial of the possibility that some, rare direct human-extraterrestrial contact has occurred. It is likely that it has, but these cases are like pure gold nuggets, which have deliberately and through human folly been hidden under a mountain of fools gold. It may superficially look the same, and glitter in the same way - but the difference is vast.

Here we step into a mixture of great mystery, deliberate covert deception, unbridled human foolishness and fear-mongoring, all blended together into a belief system which, if challenged, yields the challenger attacks from a myriad of sources. I am aware at the outset that the sharing of the perspectives which follow will induce in many a reactionary response to 'shoot the messenger'. But I beg for your patience, and just a bit of open-minded inquiry, lest we forever lose those few gold nuggets among the growing mountains of fools gold.

To begin to get ones mind around this matter, one must be knowledgeable in and a student of:

the human mind, spirit and full potential of human experience, both conventional and unconventional;

the UFO subject in general;

the capabilities of esoteric and exotic covert human technologies, especially those employed by deep cover projects dealing with the UFO/ETI subject and which are using reverse-engineered extraterrestrial technologies in mind control and psychological warfare agendas;

an expanded cosmology which takes into account terrestrial and extraterrestrial capabilities and experiences, whether they be physical, mental, non-local/spiritual etc.

In looking at the raw data and reports of alleged human-extraterrestrial contact, I would estimate that fewer than 10% of such cases are what they appear to be. The other 90% of cases are a combination of the following:

Misidentification of other unusual experiences, which, due to the dominant pop culture enthrallment with all things alien, get labeled an 'abduction'. These include so-called (and mislabeled) paranormal experiences related to lucid dreams, out of body experiences, near death experiences, 'astral body' encounters with other non-human (but equally non-extraterrestrial) entities, and similar related phenomena. The need for an expanded cosmological view of potential human experience should be obvious: It is all to easy to mis-label an experience if you do not know what the possibilities are. (The reader is referred to 'Extraterrestrials and the New Cosmology' by Steven M. Greer M.D. for a more in-depth treatment of the cosmology) This is akin to a doctor having only one diagnosis for chest pain - a heart attack. Such a physician, lacking what is called an adequate 'differential diagnosis' would mis-diagnose all chest pain as a heart attack, when it could be that the person was experiencing a collapsed lung, a lung infection, a rupturing aorta, various stomach ailments which present as chest pain and so forth.

In this case, however, many researchers have 'abduction colored glasses on', and hence see most of these other unconventional experiences as abductions. Lacking an adequate 'differential diagnosis' which includes the numerous other types of possible experiences, all such experiences get labeled abductions, and the experiencer, an 'abductee'. Those looking into such experiences owe it to the experiencers , and to the field of knowledge, to be better informed regarding an expanded differential diagnosis. Otherwise, we will continue to have a majority of mis-diagnosed cases.

Confabulation, wannabees, false memory syndrome and mental illness are also part of the mixture of cases. We have learned of one celebrated abduction case where the person lied about prior serious mental illness, and another where the 'abductee' who claimed to have been impregnated by ETs later admitted to having had an affair which resulted in the pregnancy. Now, this is not the sort of thing which proponents of the UFO and abduction field want talked about. But covering up these types of errors only compounds the superstition, ignorance and disinformation which already abounds in this area of study.

Hallucinogenic drug use has been noted to exist among some self-styled 'abductees' as well as researchers. Certainly, an already murky picture is made dimmer by the intervening use of psychoactive drugs.

Most importantly, there is the significant segment of the 90%+ cases of misidentified contact events which are of decidedly covert human origins. This is the area which will be most bizarre to the reader, and most disturbing, and the majority of the remainder of this piece will concern itself with this problem.

Abductions, and the 'abduction syndrome' as it is commonly referred to, is largely a creation of covert human disinformation projects. Both the technologies employed, and the agendas motivating their use, are genuinely troubling. Most will not want to hear what follows, but we feel the time has come for the truth to come out, so that those who will listen can stop being manipulated with false information.

(For more background on the nature of covert human operations dealing with the UFO/ET matter, the reader is referred to 'Unacknowledged', by Steven M. Greer M.D.)

To understand the disinformation capabilities of current and recent covert projects dealing with the UFO/ETI subject, it is necessary to look historically at events, beginning in the 1940s (and perhaps before). The acquisition of advanced extraterrestrial hardware by the mid-1940s (Roswell 1947, Kingman Arizona 1948 etc) led to very deep covert research and development projects related to reverse- engineering extraterrestrial technologies. While most researchers in the field have focused on energy generation (zero-point) and propulsion systems used by ET vehicles to 'transfer' through interstellar space, the area of advanced extraterrestrial communications has been largely ignored. But not by covert human R&D projects.

If it is obviously true that ET spacecraft are not using jet fuel and internal combustion engines to travel through interstellar space, it should be equally true that they are not using AT&T microwave, radio wave or related electromagnetic waves to communicate. Why? Because these EM waves, which travel at the speed of light (186,000 miles per second) are too slow to effectively communicate in real time across interstellar distances. Even at the speed of light, it takes 100 earth years for a radio wave to travel only 100 light-years in distance. This means that a two way conversation with one's home planet would take 200 years, and this for only the initial exchange : "Hello, mission control, this is Alpha 1, how are you today?" "This is mission control, we are fine; how are you Alpha 1?" Unless a species lived thousands of years as biological life forms, a routine conversation could not be completed before the death of all parties!

>Therefore, the communication systems used by advanced ET life forms are employing advanced non-local technologies NOT dependent on the linear speed of light. They utilize technologies based on laws of physics not even elaborated by human scientists in the conventional, non-covert world. And these are technologies which directly interface with mind and thought.

This explains why so many individuals have seen an ET craft and then projected spontaneously a thought for it to come back, or move one way or another - and lo and behold it does. Just as a hologram or TV would look like supernatural magic to someone 200 years ago, these technological capabilities look and sound like magic to us in the latter 20th century. (And from this the reader can see why so many 'paranormal' experiences can be erroneously reported as UFO experiences, and vice versa.)

Now, a well-funded covert enterprise reverse-engineering ET technologies will look at all systems, not just ones related to propulsion and basic energy generation. Thus, as a consequence of this research, the covert entity dealing with this matter has elaborated the communications technologies of these life forms, and unfortunately have put them to some very nasty uses.

Once the ET communications technologies were discerned, a decision was made to see how such technologies could be put to use, especially for disinformation purposes. Because above all things, the project dealing covertly with the UFO/ET issue has desired continued secrecy, and a continuation of their exclusive knowledge and control of this subject.

The problem is, the UFOs continue to be seen all over the world, so this matter, in order to be secret, must be hidden in plain sight. And so it is.

One of the principles of good, effective disinformation is that you psychologically manipulate the environment so that people will not know what they are looking at, even if they see it. Another is that the creation of very similar, hoaxed decoy cases - if strategically executed and played out - will hide the real phenomenon, or at least draw peoples' attention away from the real events. And yet another is that if all else fails, and the secrecy is ended, people will be so confused about the real versus the memorex, that they will be easily manipulated to the covert project's agenda.

All of this is at play in the UFO field, and the cornerstone of this disinformation effort is the so-called 'abduction phenomenon'.

Consider this for just a moment: There is a top secret Canadian document, written by Wilbert Smith, which states that , in 1950, the UFO matter was the most secret project in the US, surpassing even the secrecy surrounding the development of the hydrogen bomb! In 1996, the secret is even bigger, and the resources used to maintain the secrecy many orders of magnitude greater than that of 1950. Moreover, the technological resources available to this covert project involve reverse-engineered ET technology, in the form of operational craft, non-linear communications capabilities, and biological 'cloned' entities. It is not hard from this to see that extraordinary resources have been used to maintain the secrecy of this subject.

Everyone in counter-intelligence knows that really good disinformation contains some elements of the truth, thereby making the false information or events more believable to the targeted recipients. In the area of alleged UFO 'abductions', by simulating false, but believable, alien encounters, a number of objectives are accomplished:

Actual ET events are lost amid the mounting cases of hoaxed, simulated cases. As mentioned earlier, the real gold nuggets get buried under a mountain of fools gold - and very few researchers know that they should be doing assays...

By overwhelming the 'sound' of actual ET events with the 'noise' of simulated ones of an increasingly implausible nature, the civilian research community is not only thrown off track by pursuing false cases, it is increasingly discredited. The wilder and more absurd the scenarios are which are fed to victims of human covert abductions, the more the general scientific and media communities view the entire field as so much nonsense. In this way, human initiated covert abductions not only serve as decoys in the UFO civilian research community, but serve to avert serious inquiry from the 'mainstream' scientific and media communities. It is a master stroke of disinformation, which the civilian community has swallowed hook, line and sinker.

The use of reverse-engineered ET communications technology for disinformation purposes via abductions and the like also allows for the testing of such systems to evaluate their efficacy and reliability. For those who believe that the testing of such 'non-lethal' weapons on the civilian population by covert operations is unthinkable, remember the covert testing of radioactive substances on innocent civilians during the Cold War. In 1993, the Department Of Energy (formerly Atomic Energy Commission) and its leader,Hazel O'Leary, released documents disclosing the fact that innocent civilians had been deliberately contaminated with plutonium and other toxic radioactive substances to simply see what the effect would be. It was reported that plutonium was actually put on the oatmeal of children in an orphanage to see what effect it would have! The same sociopathic excesses of those secret plutonium testing projects are being replayed in spades in the civilian sector with simulated ET abductions of innocent humans, so-called cattle mutilations (also largely of covert human origin) and related covert projects. We may not want to believe this, because it seems just too horrible. But the longer we live in denial, the more we will be led down the primrose path of deception and the manipulation of our minds and emotions.

Most disturbing are the apparent underlying motives and agendas driving these covert human projects dealing with abductions and the like. Aside from the deflective, decoy value described above, the content of the hoaxed human initiated abduction experience is decidedly negative, xenophobic, fear-inducing and anger-inducing. To what end? Could it be that both the 'abductees' and the millions who learn of their horrifying experiences through books, videos, TV specials and movies are being prepared to hate the 'alien presence' and thereby accept, somewhere down the road, the sacrifices needed to engage in interplanetary war? And who would benefit from such a 'star wars' scenario? The military- industrial complex. The very same interests about whom we were warned by no less a figure than 5 star general and conservative republican president Ike Eisenhower. After all, the classic uses of psychological warfare were (and are) related to preparing a civilian population to hate the enemy, and to be so animated in that direction that any sacrifice would be made to fight them. Could it be that we are now being so manipulated, so that we will collectively accept the costs of building the capability for interplanetary war - a capability which would extract trillions of dollars from the world economy?

Actually, it appears to be even worse than this.

We have learned, by investigating the ties, proclivities and beliefs of a number of people connected to abduction programs, that there is a clear aeschatological bent to their endeavors. This means that part of the agenda is serving the bizarre, religious purpose of resurrecting satan in the form of ET, and fanning the flames of a future 'holy war' against them, to coincide with the end of the world. I know this sounds bizarre and unbelievable (it was very difficult to accept when it first came to my attention) but it is one of the very deep, dark and frightening sub-texts of the entire ET issue. For those awaiting the end of the world with the changing of the millennium, what better vehicle than to frame the 'final conflict' between humanity and evil invaders from outer space? More than a few people in the UFO subculture, who present themselves as impartial scientists and / or benefactors, hold to this paradigm. And deliberate actions are being taken to fulfill it.

On one occasion, I had the opportunity to meet with a foreign head of state, who has an interest in this subject. Over the course of an hour and a half to 2 hour meeting, I learned, to my horror, that this leader was doing everything he could to see that the world knew about the evil, sinister and manipulative agenda of the 'aliens' by advancing the world's knowledge of abductions! Worse, I was categorically informed that every set-back in human history, every international conflict, and the very basis of the non-fulfillment of human potential, since Adam and Eve, was the result of the nefarious manipulations of the 'aliens' ! After mostly listening politely for an hour and a half, I let this leader know that this was not at all our assessment of the situation.

Later I learned of this person's ties to fringe religious groups, and also a network of similar leaders and benefactors of abduction 'research' which has ties to bizarre end-of-the-world religious groups, who demonize the ET presence to fit the current religious paradigm. And the anchor for all of this is the abduction 'phenomenon'.

If the reader is not concerned by now, check your pulse.

Now, it is not clear if these bizarre beliefs are fundamental to the covert programs, or simply an intended out-growth of them. That is, it is likely that these leaders and benefactors have been manipulated into this assessment by covert projects dealing with abductions and mutilations, and they have created a way to fit the 'reality' of abductions into their religious belief systems, as it pertains to the 'end times'. Such persons may themselves be victims of manipulation, and they are responding to the 'content' of the 'abduction syndrome' in a predictable way, given their religious beliefs.

Nevertheless, the deception, hoax and manipulation which all of this represents is effective, because most humans are, alas, easily deceived and especially vulnerable to manipulations of their fears of 'invasion'. Since cave man and tribal times, to the war in Bosnia of the 1990s, one of the basic fears of peoples around the world has been that of invasion, and (no coincidence) the abduction of women and children by the invaders. It is such a basic fear, that it is easily manipulated. We would suggest that this primal fear of abduction, rooted in the ancient collective history and consciousness of humanity, has been used to skillfully manipulate and inflame the fears of extraterrestrial life forms.

We have, collectively, been all too willing to take this bait.

Even the lexicon developed in the UFO subculture - the 'abduction by aliens' - is inherently xenophobic and draws sweeping conclusions about the ET presence, which are unwarranted by the objective facts. And we have learned that when others, who have done their homework on covert capabilities in this regard, have attempted to point this possibility out to the UFO community, they have been shouted down and ultimately black-balled from events. The true-believers in the abduction scenario do not want to consider that there are covert capabilities (and have been for decades) which can simulate an 'alien abduction', totally using reverse-engineered ET technologies.

How do we know about these capabilities? Research, investigation, interviewing knowledgeable people who have had involvement with these technologies, and personal experience. Over a 3-4 year period, we have interviewed individuals with top-secret clearances in areas related to electronic mind control and related technologies. What we have learned is best summarized by a statement from Officer W-1: ' Technologies exist, which are ready, off-the-shelf capable, and which can fit in a panel truck or on an antennae in a city, which can totally induce an experience.If it is desired, a targeted person - or group of people - can be made to have a conversation with their personal God, and they will believe it is real, and they will pass a lie detector that it is real, because for them it is real...'

We have identified people who recall, despite chemical 'deprogramming ' over a three day period, being in special para-military units and being 'abductors'. That is, these individuals were used to 'abduct' civilians, in an elaborate and technologically exotic hoax. These humans were the abductors, not the extraterrestrials. But the technology, reverse-engineered from the ETs, is so good, that unless one knew to look for a hoax this good, one would be forever deceived.

And yes, these projects have had the capability for decades to place 'implants' into humans (and animals) for the purpose of not only tracking and reconnaissance, but for inducing specific experiences.

>Worse yet, these capabilities have been used to 'abduct', intimidate and deceive world leaders on this subject, and to specifically get them to maintain the secret status of these programs.

Specifically, the abduction of a certain past MAJOR world leader was orchestrated by covert forces attempting to end a planned disclosure on this subject by this leader, the US President, the head of the USSR and others. A first hand witness, who is friends with this world leader and is himself a head of state, has related the details of this abduction to me personally. It was an effective, if horrible attempt to frighten these world leaders into ending their plans to disclose the UFO information to the world at the end of the cold war. Both this world leader, and the head of state and friend who related this to me, did not know that this event was done by covert human forces. They thought it was an actual alien abduction!

And the message offered to this world leader, by these hoaxed aliens? 'Cease your plans to disclose our presence to the world, or we can and will abduct every world leader involved...' How convenient. Notwithstanding the fact that in this same time frame ET craft were being seen in a massive wave in Belgium, and one would soon begin in the volcanic zone of Mexico and around Mexico City, we are to believe that the ETs would abduct a world leader to hide their presence!

This, I am told, 'blew up like an atomic bomb in the White House', and all plans to effect a disclosure on this subject were ended, forthwith and forever.

Recently, I have learned of a group of researchers who have independently identified a covert operative who was involved in 'abducting' a woman in California and who was, not coincidentally, in the security detail for the world leader the night of the 'alien abduction'. It does not take a rocket scientist to see what the agenda is here, and how all of us have been manipulated into a belief in the 'abduction syndrome', and our leaders intimidated into inaction.

I realize that this information is harder to accept than (even) the idea that we are being visited by extraterrestrial life forms. But that is the point. These secret projects are so bizarre and sociopathic, that they are their own best cover. Who would believe it? And by manipulating the images and ideas in the public domain on this subject, we are led to either disgust and rejection of the entire phenomenon, or to anger and hate toward the visitors. How convenient...

It is time for the civilian research community to get serious about this matter. We must do our homework, and ask the hard questions. We must become knowledgeable regarding what the true covert human capabilities are, and man induced abductions. We must be more restrained and cautious, and avoid sweeping, paranoic pronouncements regarding so called 'alien agendas', since the events upon which we base such assumptions may be of a very human origin.

From what we have learned from first hand witnesses to covert capabilities, covert reverse-engineering projects, and covert human abductions, we need to take another very hard look at the entire 'alien abduction' syndrome, as it is currently described. I believe that the entire data base on this matter has to be taken apart and rebuilt, using a more inclusive cosmology, which includes not only ET/Human interactions, but also, other experiences as described earlier, and, most importantly, covert human capabilities and disinformation programs.

Not all that glitters is gold, and discerning this fact, by our leaders and the public, may determine whether we are manipulated into a future of inter-planetary conflict, or instead, choose a future of rational and peaceful engagement.

For the sake of the earth, and the generations which follow us, I hope we are wise enough to choose peace.

Steven M. Greer M.D.
5 November 1996
Copyright © 1996 Steven M. Greer M.D.
All Rights Reserved.

Re: common sense question about "greys" and "nordics"
 

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I will try to give my 2 cents here before reading everyone else’s; I will go over the other responses after. This is just my own ideas from what I have experienced and put together from searching.

Besides a few dreams of the greys and one night being electrocuted in my bed by 3 little people (I was being zapped so I didn't make out much more then they were small shadowy figures, and I think one tall guy) besides that, I haven't had enough aware contact that I can recall. Greys are known to tag people with these implants and seem to be interested in our emotions as well, not just DNA.
Even if you cloned someone in space or on a ship, they wouldn't have the same psychological development and experiences to qualify as an Earthling.
But... from the things I have found out in my own life and background, I wouldn't be surprised if it’s a military trick, or that they use the greys as a cover for something else.
With so much talk these days of the microchip, it makes me wonder where all these test subjects are who they used to try out this technology?!
If the military was to sneak into peoples homes at night and tag them, well... may as well let the person just think its a nightmare, or something so crazy that you wouldn't feel comfortable to mention it, like an alien abduction.
If they do exist, which I think maybe they do, then maybe they come from close by and not so far away.

I personally don't think that they are us from the future. The last grey dream I had
(I haven't had many) was a few weeks ago... me and a grey alone in a dark room and there seemed to be just light between us.
He told me that we are related, we are one and it was more like a knowing then a conversation... I woke up feeling very emotionally attached to the little guy, like he was a brother. That kind of was weird because they scare me normally.

Working with our scientists... hmmm, I don't know, maybe us working with some faction of their race is possible, an exchange of some sort. There is said to be many different types of greys, maybe they don't all get along.
I have mostly been trying to figure out my own personal encounters and what they are, so I don't know much about that.
I think the weird things that happened to me are of an occult nature, something of interest to the military because of my family’s background with them and the occult and ufo sightings. I also suppose there is more then one agenda going on.

Why are the Nordics Blonde with blue eyes? I have no idea, maybe it has to do with their planet and environment. I still don't think they are our future selves, wasn't that the greys?
I don’t think our physical bodies, or theirs, have anything to do with how advanced we get, spiritually or otherwise.
If there are good guys out there watching us from the stars, and they see a few other races come here and mess around with us causing grief, maybe they should do something, maybe they are.

It makes me think of that song by the Byrds " To everything, turn, turn, turn.
There is a season, turn, turn, turn. And a time to every purpose under heaven."

Maybe I came to this planet myself fully aware and knowing just what I was in for, and asked for this experience to unfold along this specific timeline.
Did I choose a timeline where we are rescued by an alien race, or one where we rescue ourselves maybe it was a joint effort that I choose, seems like a good opportunity for learning.

The Reptilians... I am pondering them a lot lately, If they were dumped here, it was probably before we came along. Again... maybe they are factioned, I don't think they are all bad. Greys I have a feeling were created close by, some of them anyhow.
From reading Sitchins book, The Lost Books Of Enki... well, its clear even though the Anunnaki are evolved they still make mistakes and have issues and blow things up. They also speak of a great spirit, enlightened being a creator of all and have questions of their own, same for the Nordics maybe.
I wouldn't know though... haven't met one.

{9. Who benefits from a paranoid "alien agenda" scenario?}
Well that’s obvious! The same ones who bring you the microchip.

Yes, I think it is possible that some, if not most alien abductions have a military twist to them. They probably target people and families who have already had some sort of encounter. And I think the UFO community is very muchly manipulated, that’s clear... and why we are all here trying to piece things together. Honestly, besides my own spiritual moments of knowing, much of what I have encountered could probably be all traced back to the military, accept the occult bit... its a hereditary trait.
I do believe that alien contacts have been made through out history. There is an interesting legend from my area that sounds a lot like an encounter with aliens.
Mi’kmaq Women Who Married Star Husbands
http://www.civilization.ca/aborig/st...#39;k2eng.html

These are great questions I wish I had the answers for!

PEACE! :original:

Re: common sense question about "greys" and "nordics"
 

thanks for the response jenn :)

i think im resigned that im going to have to wait and see about all this. my minds not made up about nordics/greys/reptillians etc

if they are from the future then it certanly fits with what the teutonic zionists/illuminati/nazi's would envision for us. eugenics in action.

blondehaired blu eyed enlightened "pure" versions of us and DNA/biorobot/controlled "slave race" which is many people theories regarding greys.

i want nothing to do with that future.

has anyone brought up that if indeed dan burisch's testimony is 100% fact that both greys and nordics are our future selves that that fits directly with what the new world order would like to see, a splitting of our genetic code into blondehaired blu eyed "masters" and lowly programmed servants. which would mean they "won" so to speak.

this seems like a "terminator" scenario where the future rulers go back to the past to ensure that they end up "ruling" which burisch states that only the rogue greys are doing, but what if the nordics somehow are too?

arrrghh brain...too..much..info to...process.

anyhow not much i can do but stay positive and aware and keep on keepin' on

:)

Re: common sense question about "greys" and "nordics"
 

lol.. I don't believe for a moment the wild cross breeds found in Texas have anything to do with the Chupacabra at all.
Well, except they may have been introduced to side-track people from the real-deal Chupacabra.
RSF

Re: HEY COMMUNITY! question about "greys" and "nordics" (looking for answers)
 

Well I have dreams of the past and future, and one thing I've never understood is why I have never seen grays or reptillians.

Most of my contacts are through Spirits, and I have been to futures "Nordics"
Council meetings, but have never had contacts with any other species.

Is it because they are programmed life forms and have no spirits?