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I have yet to decide if freemasonry is evil or not? My theory is that generally freemasonry is good. They are the light bearers to shed light on the darkness. It is Well known and documented that freemasonry played a part in the writing of the constitution: a document that promotes liberty. A handfull of the founding Fathers were freemasons. 10 Presidents of the USA Including JFK were freemasons.

Freemasons are ever Rampant in the Conspiracy communities spouting "truth" Movements. They are bringing out the very Ideas that people like you and me hold dear. Things like "man is both mortal AND divine" Our consiousness continues long after death in other inCarnations.

The Word "occult" according to Jordan Maxwell, Means "hidden". Why is it then That DR. Greers book is called "Hidden truth, Forbidden Knowledge." What Forbidden Knowledge? In the Bible Talks about the forbidden tree of knowledge. Again Dr. Greer is bringing light to the darkness. He is Indoctrinating people onto the light of occult Knowledge that has been hidden from Mankind for thousands of Years.

This Indoctrination of the masses was the Original Purpose of the Freemasons. They were master builders of architecture. They Saw Religion, Science, and Reason Combined into a holy Trinity. That is why they begin with 3 degrees. That is also why there is 33 degrees. Because A man of Knowledge does things in 3's. They do not Seek to keep their Knowledge Occult, That is why you hear so much about their Mystery school Teachings on Coast to Coast AM.



Why then Has freemasonry gotten A Bad name? The minute you begin to ask that that question and seek to shed light on It's Answers the more you begin to Understand more and more what is going on in the world today. One key to anserwing this question is to follow the money trails. Some of us Have heard that Rothschild and other private Bankers Funded the Illuminati.

The Illuminati Then Is NOT a Freemasonic Enerprise. The Illuminati was started by An Evil Group of people, Funded by Private Bankers. The Illuminati was much more of An Idea than an actual group of people. The Idea was to infiltrate Every aspect of Society to the point that no matter where you look, you run into dead ends when trying to figure out just who they really are. They Infiltrated Freemasonry, Created Extra Degrees of freeemasonry and brought their Pagan Rituals along with them to Corrupt The Fraternal Order.
Over the years They Sent falls Trails of Conspiracies and Shills to promote Ideas Of Rascism, Fascism, and the Like. And not Only that Blamed and Misquoted Well Respected Freemasons.

I'll Give you An Example. I recently Watched a Youtube video Entitled "Take the Zeitgeist Challange". The video stated that most of the Religious claims in "Zeitgeist" was false (Which is true to some extend if you do the research). The video stated to "Not belive anything based on claims that aren't backed up". And then They Blamed a man name Albert Pike for the root of the Lies in the Zeitgeist movie. The video Went on to post quotes By albert Pike Making him Look like a "Luciferian" and a Secret War Mongerer. And guess what? They video supported no evidence for it's claims. So i decided, As any good researcher does, To find the quotes in their Original Context and to find out if the quotes actually Existed. Well I found a book Online Where some of the quotes came from. And I found A lot of the quotes stated in the video were taken out of context. The book is found here: http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/apikefr.html

If you actually take the time to Read some of the book, It is nothing Like the Albert Pike Portrayed all over the Internet.

This is what Any good researcher does: If you find a quote or a claim. Go and find out for yourself what is what By going to the Original source.

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check it out

The only difference that I could find was they were all once Freemason's The NWO was planned and written out over 300 years before they came to America. The new names were because they got caught up in things and some tried to be "more important"

So they are bad.....Lincoln and Kennedy's family were right in tight.

They were killed because they wanted change. Kennedy wanted the drug trade to stop.. His dad was very well paid off by the death. The Kennedy's made their money on the Alcohol. No difference. Anything they said don't do, gave them more to make from it.

Look up Illuminati 13 bloodlines. The stories are amazing. You will see how even Obama and Mrs Kerry and Mrs McCain all fit in

Also I read alot of David Icke.

So if you check into this you won't be sorry.

Then you can make your own decision. :shocked::bleh:

When you do any info you can spread forward will help the world today. This is what it's all about.

I was totally shocked over what I read. Now, you will find some pretty amazing info there and over on David's site even more when you research his words. There is no doubt in my mind its all real

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I agree with you. I'm a bit tired of reading from conspiracy theorists. I would like to go directly to sources and do my own research.

It's interesting tho. There a passage somewhere in the Albert Pike book where he talks about people with disgusting pagan rituals infiltrating Free masonry and creating extra degrees of Freemasonry that were not know to The highest order of the original masons. I saw in a jordan maxwell video a quote wehre George washington Talks about this very thing as well. He was aware that Very Mal intended Were plotting to Take control of their Republic. The US was founded as A republic, not a Democracy. This is Why Ron Paul is associated with a website that says "Restore The REpublic." This is why he holds a Rally for the REPUBLIC.

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ranma187,

I like you have done a little research on Freemasons. Make sure in your research you understand who Baphomet is. A 33rd degreed freemason has to worship this Baphomet and he understands full well who he is.

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Hehe Wondering where you got this 'research' material

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People will always think something sinister happens in places or organisations what have secrets....
Difference is with the Freemasons, you can walk right up to their front door and ask to join......
There is nothing sinister to the Freemasons. Perhaps there was in times gone by though.......

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Well for those too lazy to read i brought some interesting quotes from this guys book.

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Freemasonry it seems to me has existed so long it now has it's
own society.

There are those who use it as a club or for connections and there
are others who believe in it's claim to be an ancient order decended from
Lemuria.

You read their academic works and they clearly have an excellent understanding
of 'known' world history and also an earlier history -Atlantis, Lemuria etc-
that is compelling.

A lot of the things that people on forums like this discuss in the internet age they've been talking about for centuries.

As far as Pike goes there was a major restructuring late nineteenth century
in which he and others played their part but the 300 year plan thing is based on that letter that's supposed to have been seen in the British museum by William Guy Carr. It's a tough one to be 100% on.

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Zorgon knows whats up as i have met quite a few Masons who are very smart and cool.

Not all Masons are bad and thats just stupid to think, They let me into the lodge here and i got to check out the altar and a few books, all and all it was actually nice. No devil worship more so this family like attitude to working and getting things done.

Freemasonry is actually quite rich with Philosophy so i enjoy it.

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Why Albert Pike and Alyster Crowley are one of the most condecorated masons and they are high (or low) satanists? There are 2 masons. The irst pay the vcations of the ones who are in top levels and they didn't know much (read please the books of the masons who I mentoned before), and the other have more occultist purposes.

All of you, research about what Bill Schnoebelen have to say:

A real good video exposing all the picture HERE and HERE the second part.

Look at the catholic connection to. Using masonry to infiltrate in protestant countries. See Vaticanassassins.org

Cheers!

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Albert Pike was not a satanist. If you actually took the time to read what he really wrote, you would understand that. He does believe in a supreme being, as do all Masons.

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Let's get things straight for the record. I am a 32nd degree Freemason, my father is a Freemason, and he was introduced to Freemasonry by good friends of his. Freemasonry is a place where people come together and put aside all their differences and work together to support their community. It does not matter what religion, political belief or color you are. This is a place for good people to find each other, just like this forum. Freemasonry is not a secret organization, it's an organization with secrets. That is all.

Love & Peace

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most low level freemasons are unaware of the upper echelons truly evil intent. they are cattle just like us, to be lied to and manipulated.. i recomend the texe marrs books

CODEX MAGICA AND MYSTERIOUS MONUMENTS

these are two really nice coffe table books with all you need to know about freemasonry and the illuminati!!

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you will still not be saved when the time comes by the upper echelons of your secret little tribe. the light(lucifer) will not help you out in this situation . it is there to deceive you. btw im not having a go at you as its not your fault your fed horse **** about freemasonry. it is indeed just a club with a few secrets as far as your concerned.. peace

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founding the KKK is pretty evil though:mad3:

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I've only heard rumors he founded the KKK. What is that based on? is there a valid document? facts based on little verifiable research is not a valid argument.

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http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:...get-me-not.jpg


Lots of good organizations like Freemasonry are infiltrated by people who use this cover as a veil.

If you want to quote books. I would suggest reading "A Encycolpedia of Freemasonry and It's Kindred Sciences; 1921, Albert G. Mackey 33° and Charles T.McClenachan 33°". I have both books A-Z and they are original.

By the way...what are you talking about "light(lucifer)"? You honestly have no idea.


http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/


EVERYONE...if your really curious as to what happens inside the blue lodge then join one in your area and stop reading about this conspiracy theory crap. MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND AND DON'T BE LEAD LIKE SHEEP.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:...many-sheep.jpg

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I'm reading the Arcane Schools by John Yarker at the moment.

There is a lot of conflicting info about Freemasonry but there is a
definite claim by the highest ranking members themselves that it's an ancient rite far older than being set up in a pub in the 18th century.

Pike and Mazzini are cause celebres of the Internet age because of books
by Guy Carr, Queenborough and others.

It's like anything else in life - use your gut, then your brain and then your heart.

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good stuff guys. This is why i started this thread: To clear up the paranoid crap surrounding freemasonry. I myself Am not a Freemason.

I should let all you anti freemasonry people know. It's not a secret society. They have secrets yes. But many of these secrets are being taught to the public. Many of the things you hear on coast to coast AM, for example The electric universe theory etc, are many of the secret teachings of freemasonry.
How do I know this? because i read lol.

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Can you point me to a bad one? :tongue2: I mean since they are so evil surely everyone can point one out?

Hmmm

Any Americans out there? Well Listen up...

I can well understand why the Brits would think Masons are evil... since they stole America from them :lmao:

Here is the ORIGINAL American Flag design

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancie..._flagprop1.jpg

Nice huh? :thumb_yello: very "Illuminatish'

Philip LeMarchand first met Benjamin Franklin during a Masonic conference in New York, 1753. The two shared interests in natural science and the hidden sciences of the Occult.

They made several trips to Europe together in the 1770s. They primarily stayed in London but often dared travel to Paris with LeMarchand in disguise so as to not alert "the authorities" to his return. During these journeys, Franklin made a point to always publicly introduce LeMarchand as "The Professor."

It was Franklin who introduced "The Professor" to George Washington in 1775 at a dinner party held for the American flag committee. It is said that LeMarchand (as the Professor) "put forward several proposals about the design of the flag which were eagerly accepted by the committee without argument."

"When the dinner party broke up and the other committee members left for home, the Professor remained in conversation with Franklin and Washington for several hours. He predicted to the two statesmen that America would soon take its rightful place as a new nation recognized by all governments of the world and was destined to be a future leader of civilization."


Childs Own Losses

These three men Rosicrucian/Masons were the ones who laid the foundation for this land of the free... And it remained so till Woodrow Wilson sold us out with the Federal Reserve Bank

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." -Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence

The Rosicrucian and Masons Gave you this great country... the Bankers took it away

And when the forefathers faltered at the signing... it was a Rosicrucian who gave the speech to embolden them to sign that paper...


The Mysterious Rosicrucian Who Was the Father of the American Republic

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancie...es/signers.jpg

The signers of the Declaration of Independence sat in Independence Hall at Philadelphia, contemplating losing their heads or being hanged. Their courage wavered. The document sat there unsigned. An extraordinary catalyst was needed to move them to action. An unknown man rose and gave an electrifying speech. He disappeared soon after.


THE SPEECH OF THE UNKNOWN

While many non-Masons were also involved, three of the best-known firebrands - Peter Faneuil, Paul Revere and John Hancock - were also Masons.

The Mystical George Washington

And next time you look at your dollar bill and see THIS

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancie...at_Seal_01.jpg

Remember who it was that created this country and why..


The Real Meaning and Significance
of the Great Seal of the United States
The Rosicrucian View

Above the pyramid is the Latin phrase "Annuit Coeptis," meaning "a bold beginning" or "He (God) has approved our undertakings," adopted from Virgil's Aeneid. It has also been interpreted as meaning "It [the Eye of Providence] is favorable to our undertakings" or "He favors our undertakings." Below the pyramid, a scroll reads, Novus Ordo Seclorum, meaning "New Order of the Ages." It refers to 1776 as the beginning of the American new era.

The actual Translation of the words are below, showing why the diverse meanings occur...

annuit - annuerre annuo annui annutus {verb}
- designate w/nod, nod assent; indicate, declare; favor/smile on; agree to, grant

coeptis - coeptus coepta coeptum {adj}
- begun, started, commenced; undertaken

There are rumors that a Mysterious man in black left the seal of the USA to the founders, that the Rosicrucian left the Great Seal of the United States. The Rosicrucians were also the instigators of the French Revolution, but in this instance were not wholly successful, owing to the fact that the fanaticism of the revolutionists could not be controlled and the Reign of Terror ensued...


:welcomeani:

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Alyster Crowley was a Rosicrucian of the Golden Dawn 'sect' and turned to the Dark Side of the force with sex magic...

I always get a kick out of all these opinions ranted on by people who have no clue. As has been pointed out Masons are very easy to join these days and they don't boil children :lmao:

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zorgon ! captain of defending illuminati/masons in the forums
i wonder how long people will continue to listen to your drivel.

and just so you know, the country was founded on genocide of native americans and the enslavement of a whole race of people by rich white businessmen.

your defense of them is a joke, please dont heap your brainwashed racist garbage on the forums...how much longer will avalon tolerate you when your backround becomes apparent?

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You say... 'Forbidden Knowledge' and 'Knowledge that has been hidden from Mankind for thousands of Years'

Well the knowledge has not been hidden, just not shared openly :bleh: And with good reason... Let me use a couple examples...

Atomic Bomb.... A while back a kid from high school went to the library and did some research... with that Knowledge he actually built an atomic bomb. It was fortunate that he couldn't purchase the necessary Plutonium to activate it... but the Knowledge was available for him to create it.

If he could do it... surely so could some terrorist with access to Plutonium...

Lets use Star Wars and the Force... just for 'what if' What if there existed a force that would allow you with a mere word or a gesture to kill someone? Should this knowledge be shared freely with everyone? Can you guarantee that everyone who discovers this will have enough honor and wisdom to use the ability properly?

These are extreme examples... and I highly doubt and Masonic group is teaching the ways of the Force these days :bleh:

But surely you get the point? Knowledge in the wrong hands becomes a dangerous weapon.

You may disagree as to who should decide, but don't be so quick to condemn

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I predict.... a very long time :trumpet:

Just so you know, had those natives banded together as a Nation instead of warring on each other they could have kicked Whitey out from the get go


Sign on the door says CAMELOT forum... the place for such ideas :smoke:

Avalon Forum is for those seeking Love and Light... I hardly think your obvious 'dislike' for Masons fits under that heading:thumbdown: So.... whats YOUR agenda, hmmm?

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my agenda is to explore all the information this forum has to offer.
unfortunately there are posters (such as yourself) who have views i find ridiculous (would your advice to the world be to "band together as one nation" like the native americans "shouldve" so that we can have a one world government/army?...thats a very transparent agenda sir..)

look you have the right to post here but people should really look into who you are by looking at your posts and some of your stances (its a dead giveaway your illuminati or a mason and work for some government agency...either way someone with an agenda i dont like)

unfortunately not everyone can pick up on people like yourself so this forum will be come convoluted with ridiculous views and disinfo.
all i can say is at least i know your agenda and ill steer clear of your posts and ill ask you not to post in my threads i make.

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Sure they're good... why else would they be so secretive?

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Anyone who says that Albert Pike and alyester crowley are not satanists simply don't know/read the work made by them.

look at the video in google videos named The Illuminati from whitin by bill schnoebelen. And This Great Lecture to from the profesor Veith, a great researcher, he is an university profesor who research this kind of topics (and many others) and give Great Classes about it.

Cheers! :original:

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Just a thought that came to me recently on this very subject.

As above, so below, right? Wouldn't the corollary to that be as below, so above?

So, if I wanted to harness some energy for my [evil] or [good] works, wouldn't it be great to have a worldwide army of guys doing little rituals for me?

As for Crowley - the satanic is evident in his "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law".

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Boy in all these threads today we have thrown every thing but the kitchen sink at each other. All groups have agendas, they want to get their point across so we sent the lobbyist to watch out for the intrest of the group, organization,etc. What makes this bad is that often the little guy is left out of the picture. I too used belong to a few of these groups for a while.
Is funny how a Christian would think himself to be outside of the lobbist
groups that turn everything upside down, right side up. This politicians would do and say anything for money. The group I used to belong to controls the international media reports UPI, a few newspapers, universities, etc. etc. and yes they have lobbyist like everybody else. Many politicians are members, or are affiliated with the group. No I don't think all of this groups are luciferians, Illuminatis, satanist or what have you, they are groups looking out for the companies that they have a vested intrest on. Unfortunately most would side with the republican agenda. Look out for the investors first then maybe will do something for the little guy. Just my 2 cents. Ooops here's comes the kitchen sink again!!!:biggrin2:

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As opposed to your views, which of course as you say, are the 'correct' views :smoke:

You have no idea of my agenda, nor do you dictate where anyone may post.
Please try to get a grip on reality and be a little less anti social :bleh:

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Hi there!
Personally i study a lot and deep before make judgments to sacred cultures,
i never ends, many interesting jewels in the middle of the path :winksmiley02:
We learn to not make judgments, because always something new appears, and we change the point of view, and on and on...
And like a yin-yang, the black have a point white , and the white a point black, and make something in balance and perfect.
Well... the knowledge has not been hidden, just not shared openly
Yes, and with good reason...
Should the knowledge be shared freely with everyone? ...mmmmm
All the ancients cultures , like in Egypt , India, Maya, Celtic, etc has been hidden knowledge, or just take care of the knowledge, masonic too
Can you guarantee that everyone who discovers this knowledge have enough honor and wisdom to use the ability properly?....mmmm
You need show the true will of you soul , your true roots , intentions, perseverance, dedication, you need prove you are right and ready, you need be humble, and know that you need be always a student.
Knowledge in the wrong hands becomes a dangerous weapon.
Knowledge in the right hands , but with a ego growing, becomes a potencial confusion around groups with good intentions
The "trouble" is not the groups, is the ego of someone, that ruin years of sacred value.
Free wil to choose, but the best is TRUST in our intuition

Namaste, and Shine on ! :wink2:

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Hi my first post here, greets...

Occult (which is not a dirty word) groups were as such because the prevailing times made secrecy a necessity. The Golden Dawn, and societies like it were structured in a way that in order to "graduate" the initiate had to be able to demonstrate an understanding of previous "chapters," these teachings may have served diametrically opposed ends depending on the initiates position either in the inner or outer order, but necessary in the sense of a linear process.

Aleister Crowley wasn't a satanist per se, only according to Christians since he challenged the religion's principles (purposefully or not). We are talking about Victorian England after all which was a very conservative period--this is the context. He is no different to a rock star today that rebels against the "system." The Christian ideals cast him in that particular light so it is understandable that societies such as the Golden Dawn did not disclose the inner workings of the order--there is nothing sinister about that. It must be remembered that Satanists are Christians too in that they belong to the same idea of God or religion.

From my understanding of the Golden Dawn, who borrowed and modified rituals from various other "secret societies" such as the Freemasons, the movement was towards the bringing about the New Age, that is, a change in human consciousness which encompassed the idea of the Godhead, or illuminated man/woman, hence the eye on the pyramid which can be read symbolically in one interpretation as meaning the synthesis of dual natures (thesis, antithesis, synthesis). So, symbolically reconciling dualism into one unified vision (the eye) which is the higher state of awareness that see's all.

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That one should take no single person's allegations as fact is very true.


Although it was noticed you did not deny anything alleged. Instead claimed Pike's statements 'were taken out of context', but as with most disinformation teams, provided few in any specifics with which to take issue. These online teams instead generalize, use ad hominem attacks, provide :lol3:,:wall:,:roll1:, :roftl: symbols , other forms of meta-communications and short blurbs sending out often ambiguous statements or negative 'vibrations' the poster was wrong. Always short as they've many a truth to assail, are badly outnumbered, and therefore cannot spend much time on any single truth.

This reader has learned almost everytime, the normally fallacious, 'ad hominem' fallacy is used, the party opposed thereto is usually correct, otherwise the substance would have been assailed instead of the author. This sort of disinformation tactic usually works in "me too" teams where followup poster(s) appear to provide 'validations', that are equally short.

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Similar to any large organization some are good and some are bad; it's disheartening when one hears those words, "Every corporation needs one of 'those' types" in this dog eat dog world of ours.

There are far more good Freemasons than those able to do ill, but similar to the masses they're either unable or unwilling to sit down and find out the truths. Even if many did would they be able to see the controlling power structures though the myriad layers of the power structure that terminate well away from the shores of America? Some would and some would not; we're all so different and it, perhaps, takes too much time to completely solve this riddle.

To the Freemasons, that have bought into Pike's Atheism arguments, this is to you. Perhaps you cannot accept this absolute truth, but you've been terribly misled in this area, and as much as the masses have been in the areas to which you are privy.

It is my greatest hope that you too can literally be 'filled with light' to have any lingering doubts removed as we've many 'intellectuals' too that have been fooled via so-called 'rock solid proofs' of various kinds.

It's never too late to come back to the light of love.

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Thank you David,

For coming forward and giving us a bit of truth about Masons.
My Grandfather was a 33 degree Mason. I can guarantee you he was not a Satanist. My Grandmother was an Eastern Star....she was not one either.
He was a very spiritual man,and a very generous one too. So was my grandmother. All of her side of the family were Eastern Stars.

I know several 33 degree Masons personally, and all are good people. Most of them will go out of their way to help you....

I have my Uncle"s Masonic book, and I can personally state that there is ABSOLUTELY nothing in there about Satan, and it is a book of prayers and "rituals". Nothing in it would give me a second thought...nothing.

Over the years I have read everything I can on them, to learn the truth from the "outside" since I am not a member. I have read alot on Anton LeVay, etc..and other books too, and they are not really Masons...

I do my research too...as I am a librarian.
Thanks, David for the book tip, I will add it to my library.
Thanks to all who posted in this thread.

Peace to all.

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Hi Marian, thank you for coming forward with what you know as well. I was rather shocked when I saw the thread declaring Mason's as devil worshipers and I do tend to get short with my answers when false info is spread.

The lodge I am with was fortunate to have a large amount of money donated years ago and every year we use the interest earned for multiple charities and paying tuition for poor college students. Not to mention the countless hours we put into our communities. We have official lodge meetings twice a month but I and other officers are there 3 to 4 nights a week. They are all family and just as you said, will go our of our way to help people in need. There will always be some conflict between members in every lodge but there is a fine line that is rarely crossed and at the end of the day, we would give the shirts off our backs for one another.

My wife, mother and sister are also in the Eastern Star. They all wondered for years what happened in the lodge behind closed doors but there are those rare occasions where the public is allowed in the lodge during awards ceremony but is strictly non business. If anyone ever gets a chance to one of these ceremonies, please check it out, I think it will help demystify a lot about the Masons.

I glad am to have helped with the book. I actually found mine at an estate auction and nobody knew what they were. I was very fortunate to have saved them from the trash pile since no one else placed a bid on them. I'm not a librarian but I know how you might have felt to see something like this tossed in the trash. :sweatdrop:

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So...maybe all of the people and groups we love to hate...are really the nicest people after all. Perhaps the Bushes and the Neocons are just misunderstood and under-researched. Well then...who has been screwing this world up for thousands of years? Human history is very violent and highly disgusting. Who are the banksters, by the way? Are the corrupt international bankers predominantly a particular group of people? I'm referring to the ones who instigate wars...and finance both sides...at high rates of interest. Who or what was really at the core of the Third Reich? Is National Socialism alive and well in our world today? It seems that there is good and evil in all people and in all organizations. Is there a being...or group of beings who qualify for the title of 'Satan'? Take a look at the Old Testament God. Is this Satan in disguise? My point is that evil lurks...and works all sides...not just the obvious ones.

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Hello there!

One thing I've learned over the years is the folly of generalizing and believing there are few absolute truths. Please understand those Masons to which you refer that truly represent the honor, spirit and methodologies of Christ are not, by definition, those of whom I speak.

There are many Masons, both Blue and Free that fit this description, in fact numerically speaking I've little doubt they greatly out number those that concoct our enemies to trigger wars as a method of bleeding nations. (They're just not in positions of national power.)

Albert Pike made no positive mention of Satan which implies the connection that does appear to exist must be above the 33rd degree level, or perhaps laterally at certain lodges that cater to pedophiles; perhaps at the “Bankster” level. Whoever it is, does seem to have great wealth based on their being shuttled around in personal jets. (Was Hitler a brainwash victim? The early art attributed to him, and his later actions, did suggest a warped mind of some sort. Is this not a symptom of the trauma type of brainwashing? However, his attempt to ransom the Jewish families for $1,000 per family to the Zionists suggests he was not hell bent on their being completely exterminated, just eliminated from Germany; perhaps a result of the worldwide boycotts against German products. It was shocking to learn the the Zionists of those days refused; at appeared to suggest the greater plan was indeed to leverage the horror of their deaths for another cause.

One theory I have is that the results of sexually traumatizing children, ["disassociation" and complete obedience to the point of being programmable 'suicide bombers of sorts], could have been brought by those that practiced 'Phallic worship'." Did the book(s) to which you referred mention Lucifer? (Someone along the line made a connection of Satan to Lucifer, I'm not sure exists, except perhaps in certain behaviors. These two groups likely cater to two different crowds, but I do believe, at a higher level, they are both under the same umbrella of control. It's also my sense that with Satanism there are different sects for different purposes; some wearing Crosses and others Stars of David, but neither true Christians or Jews.

Some of the biggest 'anti-Zionists' I've known were Jewish. See 'True Torah Jews' for one such group.)

Even the word Lucifer seems to of Latin origin which indicates a Roman origin if not creation. (I've little knowledge in this area, but much knowledge in the very non Christian methods of the Roman Catholic church; not the masses of the church, but the very high leaders using the people to do their dirty work. (ie. Against the Protestants, Cathars etc.)

I have read how Pike seemed to equate Atheism with Luciferism. This seemed like the perfect vehicle for slowly 'educating' a person in the errors in the Bibles with the ultimate goal of turning them away from the Words and ethics of Christ; to at least not fear retribution for their acts on this planet.

A lot like the metaphor of how to boil a frog, slowly, one 'degree' at a Time.

Although I too know several very honorable Masons, but no where near the 33rd degree, they too speak of knowing higher level Masons and others that do much good in the community. Personally the most evil person I've met volunteers at the local hospital and as a result is well thought of by those that do not know how he otherwise operates. It confused the heck out of me for decades until he was caught in his unethical behavior. His 'brothers' then held up his volunteer work as a sort of badge of honor to those that were well aware of his misdeed. The 'masses', who just knew of him in the hospital context, were told 'The entire story was not true and 'politics' as usual; as their only frame of reference was his volunteer work they chose to believe that which was complete baloney. The professionals that knew what he did was true had a tendency of following the suggestion of his 'Brother' Mason in going easy due directly to his work for the hospital.

This entire event helped me to understand why bad people do what appear to be selfless acts, when in fact they were not selfless at all. In fact a sort of social Teflon that is required of those that wish to lead a life of unethical behavior because as any police officer or crook can tell you it's only a matter of time before you get caught.

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