New Wilcock and Fulford conversation
 

New audio of conversation featuring David Wilcock and Ben Fulford here:
http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/st...view-exclusive

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ty for alerting me to this i will listen with interest:cup:

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here's the link to the mp3

Kiss The iLLs goodbye :mfr_lol:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/podcasts...1-10_final.mp3 -

pass this out widely

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Very interesting read and as always, I hope there's enough truth in it. I so want to see the crooks in the Bush-Clinton-Bush/DVD alliance taken down big time.

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Hello all,

I've listened to it. To me it sounds like a public relation operation to re-establish Fulford as a credible whistleblower. I don't buy it. Sorry.


Donald

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This is amazing stuff... Perhaps the start of 'The New Paradigm' ...

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There are now several groups with active plans for implementing a new paradigm to replace the one of endless war and genocide being pursued by the criminals who have taken over Western civilization.

One group centered on the British empire would like to begin construction of massive free energy facilities to remove salt from sea-water and use the resulting fresh water to turn the deserts green. This group is allying itself with the Middle Eastern monarchies and plans to work simultaneously in Australia and the Arabian peninsula.

This group also wants to pay the world’s deep sea fishing fleets to stop all fishing for two or three years in order to allow the oceans to replenish themselves.

A different group based in Australia but with powerful connections throughout the G7 proposes turning the deserts green by using etheric weather engineering technology.

They also plan to start cleaning up the world’s most polluted sites using zeolite, an abundant mineral that absorbs toxic substances and prevents them from interacting with the environment in a harmful manner. They also have free energy technology.

A third group based on the US military-intelligence establishment proposes a 5-year swords to plowshares transformation of the Pentagon. This group has the potential to develop the over 6,000 patents that have hitherto been suppressed for “national security” reasons.

One technology they possess is anti-gravity. This would make automobiles obsolete and allow roadways to be transformed into gardens. They claim to control technology that allows the creation of portals into other dimensions.

They claim (we have not seen proof but have heard this from many credible eye-witnesses) that many so-called underground bases around the world are actual such portals.

Hopefully we will soon be able to see if this is true. If so the implications are more than mind-boggling.

This group will no doubt join forces with the various “programs” and trusts that have been fighting the Federal Reserve Board for decades.

A fourth group linking the Vatican and Russia sent us the following proposal:

We are working with leading world scientists from top prestigious institutions in Russia, they are developing many innovations:


* in the fields of energy generating (heat and/or electricity) using water as fuel,
* manufacturing new elements and isotopes from cheap materials,
* converting radioactive materials (waste) into stable condition,
* desalinating sea water to produce fresh water without any salted residuals,
* transmutation of poisonous materials into inert materials,
* municipal waste recycling,
* motors of higher power at lower consumption of electricity,
* special converters and transformers,
* earthquake prediction,
* New Approach Towards Understanding Origination of Matter and Energy in Universe from vacuum,
* many technologies for the nuclear energy industry that will be the top energy by 2050 according to EDF, and much more.

There are many technologies/projects in need of investment that are on the market, some that are about to enter in the market and some that need more years of investigation.

At any time it can be arranged a meeting in the several prestigious institutions in Moscow or the Officials/scientists can go to Japan to make the presentations.

Its also interesting what he says about Chistopher Story!!!

Lets all hope...

viking

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How does it re-establish Fulford as a credible whistle blower if it's bunk? If it's all bull won't Fulford's credibility go down?

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Oh, the new paradigm is here. It arrive at the latest last Sept. The tricky part is that the old paradigm is still here too. We've got them both running in dissonance. Feels kind of icky and many are pretty confused by what their senses are telling them about it.

Another tricky part is that they new paradigm has choice as a basic. Which extends to which paradigm we are in. So each of us must choose which paradigm we are going to feed our energy to. And the ease of the shift will be determined by that ratio.

It's why its SOOOOO important right now that people watch what they do with their attention and energy, and what emotions they filter through. Love or fear. Love is the new, fear is the old.

If you choose love, then the real work starts. It's not Love, except for ________ and _________ and _________! it's just plain love!

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Thank you for this.

I thought it was a good interview. I look forward to seeing the transcript of it.

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thanks for this, just a thought, david seems to have adopted binnallofamerica phrases and style. anyone notice that?

thanks again

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From "BoA Guided Tour":

"Welcome to binnallofamerica.com, known, by those in the know as 'BoA'. Assuming you've just discovered the website, a brief aside on who we are. We are a conglomerate of minds from throughout America..."

**************************************

Do we have names and faces for the "we"?

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Hi Myplanet2

you hit the nail on tha head! what can i say but i can't agree with you more - whenever you draw that info from i think it it spot on as i exeperienced exactly the same, only i would have said around mid september last year..i went out to find that everything looked and felt DIFFERENT and that it actually felt lovely...entering an entirely new timeline crossed my mind and next to my very thought i saw a white dove on my left walking around...was enthralling!!! i have never seen a purely white dove in the streets of where i live before...it was as if to confirm that my sensation was right..i haven't stopped getting the same feeling since..i have plenty of examples from my immediate environment, places i go, people i see..tottally perfect "strangers" act beautifully and graciously...i agree that it may be just my experience, but of course i am wrong as you are now describing the same..best wishes

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I agree!

The economic transition will probably be very difficult as those in power now will not give up easily and will seek to "bring everyone else down with them".

However, that will be nothing compared to the shift in conciseness that will have to occur in order to avoid the entire cycle repeating itself in another 6000 years. Getting people to see reality in a different way, a sustainable way, will be difficult because, in general, I think people tend to gravitate toward their comfort zone even if it means their own demise. Convincing people to abandon their area of comfort to "something better" is always a tough sell. And in a manner of speaking, this is correct as "satan appears as an angle of light" and will promise love and light and freedom and prosperity to those who follow only to find the opposite happening at the end of the day.

This appears to be an inescapable cycle that has occurred many times in the history of our planet. A conundrum without any real solution. This is what I am grappling with at the moment. What appears to be good is actually bad and what appears to be bad is actually good. Yin and Yang. It appears to be the order of the universe and a "solution" is elusive if one even exists at all.

Its the Twilight Zone and its all that there is. Are we all living in some kind of bizarre dream from which we awaken into the same dream, over and over again?

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I found the article and interview very compelling. Especially on the heels of Wilcock's Endgame e-book http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/st...losure-endgame

I hope there are factions that are indeed working to put an end to this Western New World Order/ Fed etc... Something BIG big is surely happening - just look at all that has happened just this week - Haiti, the wake up call in the Massachusetts election, which was a cry against the corporatists - and the Supreme Court ruling giving corporations the right to take over our political system even more. Progressive radio hosts are finally starting to use the term Fascism instead of Corporatism and people all over the USA seem to be waking up and getting very angry...

As for me, I hope for the best, I try to stay grounded in Love and Light and and do my best to look at all this as a witness, as my spiritual guidance suggests. Maybe time to get some rice and beans in stock, for even if/ when my preferred chosen timeline happens/ unfolds, there will be transition jolts - hopefully smooth and short lived - but something is definitely up, and it's now...

Blessings to us all, stay in love and hope, and gratitude...

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Very informative a must listen. Thanks for posting it :thumb_yello:.

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viking :
Apart from National Security reasons, what to do with all the law suits against the Fascist Pentagon and governments in general world-wide, whom collectively murdered and otherwise disposessed the inventors, engineers and discoverers of that technology.

They may hold the paper, but it is most certainly drenched in innocent blood.
Therefore the Fascist Dr Strangelove's of the world have no legal right whatsoever, and the need to answer to the law for their crimes.

And as for Fulford engineering a deal with Mitsibushi to allow the Queen to cash a 2 trillion dollar cheque, which is then given to Bush Jnr to expand the War, presumably in Yeman. Please!

And No Benjamin, those rocker-fellers and Rothschilds and Royal Dienasty's are not going to be allowed to keep their mansions. Inbred swine that they are.

And yes there will be Warcrimes trials and stick your truth and reconcilliation farces where the sun don't shine. Not on your f-ing nelly mate. The Gallows sounds sweet at the mo. we can deal with that for your black-drogon society, cos they chicken-****.

Obviously these people and their institutions need to be bought down, including the Vatican and Islam Israel etc etc.

You will never see a world of Peace & love if those who cause terror are allowed to get away with it.

And most important where are those who controll those Bush's & Clintan's et al.

That is the Puppet Masters, we want them.

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I listened to part of it. I dunno, getting harder for me to take all this too seriously. Just didn't click with me at all.....I got bored and closed it.

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Bored? As in you don't believe a word of it or you are just not that interested in the plight of humanity? (LOL)

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Would the word "Jaded" be appropriate here?

If so, I can relate. :wink2:

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maybe they thought that there wernt credibility issues with fulford to start with.his credibility hasnt altered wsith me ever, i never found him 100% credible, i like his stuff and we shall see what happens.:smoke:


i agree with all above jaded posters lol.. i have it buffered, psyching myself up now to start listening. also isnt that long winded info chrostopher storey... hmmm minefield springs to mind

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I think sometimes these fellas have intriguing things to say but for me, there is way too much (IMO) crapola in the mix. And some people I really get the impression they like to hear themselves talk and the attention.

I don't know.... maybe I'm too jaded. But not much of these fellas material resonates with me.

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half way through and sounds interesting. some of this stuff matches with what webster tarpley is saying and also reporting from the msm ie: the interpol info. webster tarpley is 100% only saying stuff that can be proven. so intersting to see some of this crossover.


finished it !!! not as off the wall as hes been recently..ill look out for more main steam coroborations

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"Hitler was actually Queen Elizabeth's Uncle." - Fulford

"Oh, my God." - Wilcock

"If you look at a photograph of Hitler and a photograph of Kaiser Wilhelm and a photograph of King George V, they look almost identical." - BF (3/4 into AUDIO)

"Wow." - DW

http://projectavalon.net/forum/pictu...pictureid=8841

"Thus, it was claimed that Maria Schickelgruber's son was fathered by none less than a member of the Rothschild family for whom she had been in service." - Hitler's Origins (1964) Alexander Lernet-Holenia

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3340/...5242fa4d79.jpg
From the Web
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i think i mentioned this in another thread but webster tarpley also has cross corolated some of this info too. imo webster tarpley is straight up and down as you can get, so far away from woo woo as you are likely to find :lmao:

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AS much as I`d love it to be on the up and up I have doubts about both of these guys for various reasons that I won`t go into. I like Ben he is good for a laugh and on most days can lighten the mood up considerably however he has been caught shall we say stretching it a bit on more than one occasion

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My thoughts on this are:

Wilcock is ever growing in confidence and makes a good interviewer...

Fulford should get a new cat.. I mean microphone....

I must buy some (shares in) rice and beans

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Some interesting comments from the transcript near the
end of the conversation.

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/st...view-exclusive

DW: Great. Well, I really want to thank you, and I’m sure that everyone listening to this thanks you.

Just one quick question is, how vomitous [wtf?<grin>] do you think the economic transition will be when it actually happens? Should we be prepared for some very hard times? Or do you think it’ll be fairly smooth? Or, the common person listening to this, how is it going to affect them?

BF: Hopefully, it’ll be fairly smooth, and there won’t be a lot of disruptions. But, I do believe everybody should have a certain amount of food on hand, because the bad guys are going to try to create starvation, still.

DW: Right.

BF: And it’s not over until it’s over. But, you know, forget about gold. At the end of the day you can’t eat gold. Okay?

The most important thing is to have enough food and a plan, you know, somewhere in the countryside you can go to if things really do fall apart. But, I don’t think it’s going to come to that.

DW: What would be the time window and/or the signal that we would need to really take that seriously?

BF: Well, if they ever decide… You know, they’re trying to declare martial law, but if they ever actually start physically rounding people up and taking them to these Halliburton camps, that’s the time for everybody to grab their guns and, you know, fight for their lives.

DW: Well, if INTERPOL is in the US and stopping these guys, don’t you think that would also stop the Halliburton troops and stuff?

BF: Well, that’s what we believe, and we don’t think the Pentagon is going to just obey any orders to do that, so I don’t think it’s going to happen. But I’m saying that’s the worst-case scenario they were planning, and we’re pretty sure it’s not going to happen.

DW: Right. I know it’s a war and it’s non-linear, but what would you say is the most probable window of time that we have to be prepared for these hardships to occur?

BF: Ah... this year.

DW: Okay. So, it would be a good idea for the people listening to us talking to probably prepare now and have some stored food on hand so that in the event that there’s a disruption temporarily of goods and services, that they can ride it out fairly smoothly?

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I am only skeptical of David due to his whole "I... Am... RA!!" bit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6ggA...eature=related

Fulford I do not know, to much on this guy, but I do understand that the elements & sources he is surrounded by are very devious, and I am sure he is being fed info, I like him, but any man that claims to have the Yakuza under the thumb is questionable.

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Its too bad he is aligned with the artist presently known as "Alex Jones".

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Yes all very interesting stuff ... phew!!!

This part took my interest as it's TODAY ... anyone heard anything???

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What I heard also that there’s this trial on January 6th [Ed note: this is on January 26th?] about his citizenship, and that the judge is a Marine, and that he’s going to either have to kill the judge, or you know, Obama’s going to be shown not to be legitimate.

The controllers of Obama don’t want this exposed, so in order to cover things up and hide their tracks, they might try to kill him. This is what I’ve heard.

Now, there is, I think, one group saying that they want to get rid of Biden and Obama and have Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton take over.So, that would be like the women in these factions, saying, “All right. Look, our men-folk have been bad. Give us a break, let the women on this side of the thing handle it”.

Then of course, there’re a lot of people in the military and the other agencies and stuff who say, “No! We don’t want those nasty ladies there. They’re just as bad. We want to install a temporary government, hold free and fair elections, and return the United States to Constitutional rules.”
end of quote...

viking

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And how is Fulford repeating the words of George Green and Alex Collier a scoop? or any of this new information?

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i listened to this with scepticism, but with interest. my problem with fulford and to a certain extent wilcock is that they are wearing rose coloured glasses given our present reality. sure the factions might be fighting it out, thats a no brainer, and who could possibly prove any of it anyway?

my real problem is with fulfords naivety, albeit well intentioned, that he has solutions and his recipe for a new structure of society, meritocracy? that's supposedly what we've got now, more of same, just controlled by benevolent dictators, "only the beards are different"?
as for them keeping their castles, and all the wealth stolen over centuries, forget it. they are responsible for ongoing genocide and massive destruction of anything good in the world. imo, they do not get off scott free to enjoy the rest of their lives, gimme a break. yes i can practise forgiveness, but are they asking for it, do they display spontaneous acts of goodwill, if so we would see it manifesting already. they are clearly disingenuous, self-serving oligarchs positioning themselves to "save their own asses" if there is a looming power exchange, if ....
and no, the world will not fall into chaos without them imagining that they control us, but there must be consequences for their actions. wilcock seems to think they will be lynched, well thats probably a natural reaction, but it doesnt mean that these people and all their institutions shouldnt pay recompense to all nations of the world...
i could go on, but enough said. lets by-pass all of them, and start constructing a framework for something new on this planet, a different way of organizing life to the benefit of all, no more losers, only winners!
self controlled, consciously created, quantum connected communties! just my thoughts.:original:

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white fluffy, im not christian or anything but doesnt it mention in the bible that god will end the satan worshippers rule. isnt that what the solar flares and all that stuff are about?? to destroy the illuminatis infrastructure. sort of like if we dont stop the luceferian agenda of man replacing god then universe will correct that mistake.?

ive been down the rabbit hole for 2.5 years 1000,s hours research , sometimes 15hrs a day. mr fullford has been found to stretch things, like once on jeff rense where he claimed to have met the black pope and eventually he admitted after much probing by jeff tha the hadnt actually met him lol. i like fullford, woilcock is very uplifting and his science/consciousness stuff is amazing but sometimes perhaps his excitement gets the better of him.

then again im quite jaded .

ps. i must clean the crumbs out from under my laptop keys :)

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I agree, both men have a great capacity for good, yet my intuition and logic is kicking my ass here as I feel this information is bunk, David is a great guy with a startling intellect, but he does live in his own bubble, thats full of love and light, because when I look out of my window I see Truth... People suffering and dying and until people on the whole change nothing will, people are waking up but not enough of the right now.

David is preaching love and light and that's all good, but when I turn my attention to haiti or China last year there are pockets of hope, but mostly depression and darkness for a country in mourning, it is natural to grieve, yes it is considered a selfish act but all the same even animals grieve.

When David channels RA, Ra talks of amazing beauty of this world, yet he came from a time that was indeed beautiful yet it was surrounded by death and greed, backstabbing and hatred, even the gods of Sumner initiated in conflict within themselves, in the "Golden Age" it was not all love and light, but more war, more captivity and more enslavement. this makes me truly wonder.

Who's side is David on, because those who will not stand up as one, united together because they believe the change is beautiful and come what may is supposed to happen is that not enslavement again? Jim Jones preached love and light up until he made woman and men feed cyanide to their children.

I know some beautiful people here in Avalon that ARE filled with REAL love and light, and they are not confidence men or using it as a catalyst to make the ones who have woken up, sleepy subservient. DO you really think the powers that be, the real higher intelligence ignore the amount of people waking up and are we arrogant enough to believe that they have not got countermeasures for this? In my opinion this is David Wilcock, take the awake population that are ready to stand up and fight for their home, their planet and families, not physically alone but spiritually and turn them into a bunch of soft doe eyed love and light beings that refuse to stand because we will ascend into glory? that's not putting us back to sleep, that's us in a coma.

These beings have high intelligence and they know what makes us tick, how to push out buttons to make us complacent, make us docile and fill us with love, so we do place the flower in the barrel of a gun, then the war is over because it is not a stand but a slaughter, I am with Alex Collier, I will not let my family be put in a death camp or face murder at the hand of a tyrannical order of beings that use's every trick in the book to make us question our very right to our own freedom, the incorporate a useless way to do this.

I believe in spirituality, but not enough people are at the level it takes to make such a difference and to believe a wave of awakening is going to happen, as a human being if the past has taught us nothing that we are not ready for that kind of knowledge, some of us are, but most will not be able to handle this, in the last century alone we were responsible for two wars that encompassed the globe, how far have we come in only 70 odd years? not far enough, to wield this knowledge responsibly...

yet again a situation where people who should stand proud shoulder to shoulder are divided.
Oh yes and!!

He said
the the earth will pass through a 'photon belt' and humanity will pass from 3d existence into 4d existence: No scientific evidence for this exists. Its important to remember that wilcock has said this before and nothing came of it he used to promote the year 2000 as the year of spiritual change then, when nothing happened, his website changed from "ascension200" to "ascension2012" suspicious???
you tell me,

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I Concur.. I do like what he has to say

Nice pictures there Zen.

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wilcock fullford rense jones are information conduits. i dont fall for anyones word hook line and sinker. i got where i am by following my own truth/intuition if you will. info is info these people all have thier part to play in the big picture.

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“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Joseph Goebbels

This is how these PTB think when it comes to truth, in my opinion. So it's left up to the individuals Free Will to find the Truth on anyone.

In Peace and Unity,
Roman

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Totally agree my friend. 2 shifty characters.

Both of them are trying to tell us the illuminati are divided into different factions and fighting against each other. :thumbdown:

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And thats it really.:original:

I like everyone who speaks their own aspect. I like everyone who questions that aspect to further their own. All in All, people in mass numbers are starting to understand how they can realize their inner from their outer and visa versa.


peace:original: