Bring back payed subscriptions
 

Ok here is a thought, could we bring back payed subscription.

I have viewed this Forum for about 2 years (guesstimate) but since I have never payed to chat online (which I have been doing since the days of IRC MIRC to be exact) I never signed up, just enjoyed the information.

Project Avalon I would pay for, no doubt in my mind now.

The energy has radically changed and I mean radically as in falling from 30,000 feet and both parachutes have failed.

Not even sure what you all payed before but if it was $5 bucks a month I'd pay $10 a month just to get it back to an even flow.

This Question is for original members who existed while the pay subscription, how do you feel about this?

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I was a member before the pay thing, and was starting to find my feet and learn what the rest of the spiritual community is like out there, until we got cut off. Even the OM forum doesn't compare.

I am very happy to be able to share some of the things I've posted recently. Yes there have been some big negativities happening, but even through that I've tried posting some positive stuff in my own threads.

It has been personal and joyous for me to be back. I would be sad if I got cut off again because of other people's problems.

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i dont think is a good idea, i dont get the money, haha. But somehow i think like monkey.

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soon everything will be back to normal...:original: just my gut feeling...do not worry...no subscription needed...

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Its a double edged sword.

On the one hand we would no doubt loose many of the new members who are just starting up who ACTUALLY have something usefull to contribute.

On the other edge, we may get the forum back to some sort of productivity with usefull topics being discussed rather than everyones time and effort being spent on blatant disruptive members who have not shown they have a tiny shred of interest in presenting a subject or making usefull comments on existing threads. :mad3:

Unless the diseases are chopped off at the root (at the very least reigned in!!) and in due course, then I see no option but to go back.

The forum does not exist as it once did

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if anyone here spends his time on "blatant disruptive members", it´s their fault, what the heck. They feed the trolling like gasoline for the fire. They contribute to the problem in a larger scale when giving that big protagonism to those "disruptive members", who feed on their "be right, be nice", that, the times when they are just openly ridiculing the troll, enjoying that in the process... , we have a lot to learn from our actions yet.

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I will agree something must be done. We have seen how one member can shake

up the entire Avalon community. Something has to be done period.

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i only joined yesterday because it is now free - i cant afford to pay monthly fees - i hope i can bring some new positive energy into the equation, its very easy to get angry towards these negative apsects(wich is exactly what they want), but somehow you have to try & rise above this & it's alot easier said than done, i still get very angry everytime i watch the lies(i mean news):naughty: im working on this at the moment & trying to diffuse it by just laughing instead & thinking that these people dont know any better sadly.

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Somebody just made a wonderful suggestion in another thread...

If there are any particularly disruptive members or anyone annoying... you just go to their profile and add them to the ignore list.

I don't think its a good idea to close the forum off again with subscription, sure there will be some negative people every now and then, but thats natural with every forum, and the mods here will take care of it anyway.

Peace

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Both methods have their pros and con-artists! Seriously...either way it's a challenge and a mental exercise. Perhaps Avalon should have a paid-members section...and an open-season section! Or perhaps three sections: 1. Paid access only - no participation or viewing unless you are a paid member in good and regular standing. 2. The paid forum we have had for the past year. 3. The non-paid open-season forum we presently have. Each model has it's advantages and disadvantages...but the current model is the most chaotic...and requires the thickest skin.

The paid forum must have generated $40K-$50K over the past year. Is this funding no longer required? Has there been an infusion of capital? Actually...it's probably none of my business. In any case...for better or for worse...the Forbidden Knowledge Genie has been let out of the bottle...and a variety of formats will be required to manage this Rebellious Genie! The Alphabet Agents and Jesuits must be very busy people (and ET's?) these days! I feel as though the next few years are going to be crazy...but that things will mellow out after that. But what the heck do I know?

:original:Namaste:original:

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Thumbs up

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Thats right, the ignore list is the key.

Where there less riff raff before the forum came back off of subscription?

Yes

Was the forum at times almost completely dead and boring to use when on subcription?

Yes

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welcome back, to the 'real' world

it is time to prepare ourselves !!!

LOVE is, the highest eXpression of truth

when everyone lives in integrity !!!

it does change !!!

THE BIGGEST TROUBLE with this site
is this,

would i dare to say it ???

would anyone listen ???

it's time to get your heads,
out of 4th/5th/and, 6th - at best,
a high astral HARVEST !!!

love/susan
the eXchanger

who is about to kill

THE WE ARE HERE !!!

(AND, Isn't this ironic 3208 = 13)

we have the 13 keys !!!
and, we know it !!!
and, it works !!!

WE ARE WAY BEYOND...THE HIDDEN HAND

YOU ALL HERE,
REALLY NEED A MAJOR WAKEUP CALL !!!

THE PAST, does NOT, and, i repeat
DOES NOT EQUAL, THE FUTURE

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I started paying attention to Bill and Kerry due to free information, and was a bit dissapointed when saw forums are pay2post. This is the way it should be done.

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What's great about paying is that most people who enjoy being disruptive forum members usually enjoy it as long as it's free. They don't have to question the value of what they're doing. As soon as money is involved, the disruptive member is forced to evaluate the value of his investment and to realize it's not worth it. If the disruptive behavior was subconscious, money forces him to become aware of it and that's the last thing he wants to become aware of.

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I joined this forum from almost its start - when it was free - but had to drop out when the subscription came into being. Even though I still visited this site a few times a day, there was no way that I could have paid a subscription due to my circumstances.

I was so pleased when I read the announcement that Avalon was reverting back to a free forum - I never wanted it to change in the beginning - this just seemed like the wrong thing to do - to make it a pay site - because we are all looking for a new way of living, loving and being, and money just seemed the wrong way to be going.

Negativity, for a time, will always seep through and dribble on the pages of this forum - as it does on most forums - we just have to be strong and not rise to the bait put before us - after all, we are all trying to be better beings aren't we? Not always an easy thing to so - but still we need to try.

One day egos will go, one day negativity will be covered in light, one day this will all change, so lets make this one day today...

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I was a fully paid member and I was classed as the world biggest troll when I was posting last. I stopped posting because the majority consensus club didn't want me around -- so I said "cya". I'm still not posting. I've just popped in to help a banned members cause (just another guy who has fallen victim to the mob). I thought I'd add my 2 cents to this thread.

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It has been interesting for me observing this forum since it became 'free' again. I now realize what longterm members mean when they talked about the 'chaos' before subscription.

To give my two cents worth on this, I think the forum should stay open. I think the moderators are doing a good job and I think the advice from other members as to how to respond or not respond is good advice.

What I have been getting lately is that it is the time of 'testing'!! Of how much or how little it takes for us to 'lose it'!! emotionally. Can we "be" the calm in the midst of the 'storm' and keep our integrity, keep our centre? Unless we are 'tested', we don't even know that ourselves! We may 'think' we know, but until something happens that tests our limits we don't know.

We have to decide ourselves, make our own choice, whether to 'be' part of the solution, or part of the problem. Whenever we lower our vibrations to argue, we feed the negativity for it to continue. This opening of the forum, to me, is timely. It is the time of choice, of which path we choose to 'be'. We have the ability to transcend and transmute the quality of the vibrations here on this forum.

Love

Carmen

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:thumb_yello: Ignore and move on

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A forum has at least three aspects:

1. A place for you to input information. :mf_popeanim:
2. A place where you can gain information. :shocked:
3. A place to discuss different opinions. :mf_swordfight:

It is a fact of life that if you are searching for anything of value, you have to sort through an overabundance of useless material. Some of which may drive you into a rage. :mad3: It is unfortunate that many people post without thinking of others - they have an opinion and want the whole world to know it. :tongue2: Sadly for them, it is of no consequence to the world at large, whether (for argument’s sake) the north pole is at the top of the world, or the bottom. By convention it is usually portrayed as being at the top but who really gives a @#%$^? Then there are others who have a wealth of useful and interesting information to input, but are put off by the nonsense that is found in some posts.:nono:
What we have to get used to is a bit like sifting through ten tons of river sand to find a nugget of gold. :eyes: It is going to be hard work, but if you find just one nugget, you will feel it was all worth the effort. :groupwave: Unfortunately, as we are all only too well aware, we don’t live in a perfect world - you don’t pick up gold nuggets on the footpath - particularly on the footpath that everybody else is using. :sad:
So, be daring, take a deep breath and start sifting through the nonsense. Be on the lookout for that one little flash of gold, :mfr_omg: it could change your entire future. :original:
Oh, and have a happy festive season one and all. :yay::newyear:

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Thank you for all your replies:original:

We will see how it all shakes out.

One day Nasruddin repaired tiles on the roof of his house. While Nasruddin was working on the roof, a stranger knocked the door.
- "What do you want?" Nasruddin shouted out.
- "Come down, replied stranger So I can tell it."
Nasruddin unwilling and slowly climbed down the ladder.
- "Well!" replied Nasruddin, "what was the important thing?"
- "Could you give little money to this poor old man?" begged the stranger.
Tired Nasruddin started to climb up the ladder and said,
- "Follow me up to the roof."
When both Nasruddin and beggar were upside, on the roof, Nasruddin said,
- "The answer is no!"

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brinty, i so love it when your on a roll :trumpet: :thumb_yello: :roll1:
fab post and very wise words
love
bou x

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Aw shucks bou (Brinty bows head in embarrassment, and with hands behind back, scuffs dirt with big toe of right foot and YOWW!! disturbs a colony of bull-dog ants.):eek: :emot-sad:

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ok.im a new member aztar, but ive took the initiative to reply to this...

the reason im here is because of the very good project camelot interviews,,
seen a few, plan to watch some more,found the steven greer interview
of particular interest ,where bill mentions his 1981 experience.
as i had two ufo encounters of my own in 1982,this spurred me to look
up "project camelot", which linked to these forums,

i had no idea it used to be a pay forum before when i initially joined,
not until i began reading some threads here in the general section..
but i would be willing to pay a small fee or whatever it might be if required,
and probably most people who have some "personal" interest in this phenomenom would probably be willing to pay a small fee too i would have thought,

someone already mentioned maybe having a payed section running along an open section.., to me this seems like the best idea.

regards

a.

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after spending some months reading here, i'd decided it was worth my while to join (pay for posting access). so i signed up, but the system wouldn't let me pay, lol. turns out they were in the process of switching over to free access.

i'd be more than happy to contribute $5 for access. i love that membership is free now, but i wouldn't be opposed to paying.

i do understand that $5 per month is prohibitive for some people, though, and some months it might be prohibitive for me as well.


i don't really think paid membership will keep away people who are serious about being disruptive. it will keep away casual trolls, though.

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Yes, I find it's a double edge sword...my biggest gripe is quality vs quantity, the number of threads have tripled and it's easy to get caught up with useless information, or stoop down low enough to become voyeur to a juvenile spat between rude visitors. Before I know it I've wasted 4 hrs and haven't learned a thing. I started coming PA to learn, by meeting up with people of like mind and level of consciousness.

Then again it's been nice having more people to interact with, the threads are getting a lot of views and generally good, thoughtful responses from people. Before there were days that there were only one or two pages of new posts and sometimes it wouldn't take very long to get through them. Now it can take all night if I'm not selective about what I read and comment on.

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Maybe its time to rethink this :)

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I've been a fan of Project Camelot for years and it's been a great resource for me, but I am on a fixed income, and so it was only recently that I was able to get on the Forums. I've been finding so much good info here and I would miss it if it went back to paid subscription only.
I hope that people will just use the "ignore" option more, as it would not be possible for me at present to be a paying member.
I'm sure there are others here who are sincere and have something to contribute who are in the same situation.
If the troublemakers are just ignored, I would think they would tire of their game and go find somewhere else to play. Or perhaps the rules could be made more stringent.

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very good advise :) btw...welcome :)

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I don't think so.

I had too many problems with the subscription system. I don't wish to relive them.

Closing the forum again will only take away a voice that others had once again. Let the inexperienced folks post and make their mistakes, etc. The wise ones will learn and the ones who choose to travel down a path of only negativity will find themselves unable to post after a while.

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Another vote for utilizing the Ignore List.

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No..

Not....

Yeah an idea but so sorry.. Not in my area of going to do it...

While the subscription thing was going on an offer to let a person still post for a small fee was something I did do.

However if I do have funds and any extra I will make a donation to the "Project".

I do know one thing. When this was pay only it got to the point that I had to avoid just stopping in. There was just so much dark feeling to the place. I do not know if it was due to TPB looking in here, or if it was due to some other energy. It is not like it was there for a while now. A "shift" has taken place and I do not wish to experince the way it was there for a while.

"I did voice this to some of the mod's by e-mail, and was told I am not the only one who had like feelings."

IF you can give some bucks get on to the other page and hit the pay-pal button. BUT if you do have funds that is a no way you can do it action.

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I made myself clear on this not long after the falling away of having to pay to be a member. I was a lone voice at the time. It will be interestng to see if there have been changes in that thought now.

Z
edit after reading Carrie.....

yep, it's getting to the point now where I am finding it difficult to stop by.....very difficult.

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I paid for a subscription, mainly as a way to donate and get something for it, and never gave the forum more than a cursory glance every once in awhile because I found it to be too much fluff and not enough substance.

Now that it's free I find it way more useful and interesting with a far more diverse crowd.

No more subscribing for me.

I think the people that are having trouble adapting need to take a look at themselves. If you can't take this forum's atmosphere how the heck do you survive in day to day life? How can you possibly be a light in the darkness when you can't even stomach a forum where most of the people think the same way you do?

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The less rarifed atmosphere on the forum now is only a reflection of what's going on out there. Keep it real or create a sterile but stagnant backwater.
If you can't deal with it here now how are you giong to deal with it out there?
My god it was a snoooze during subscription. Maybe thats what people want, a cozy little nap.

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The points for non-subscription are well thought out and valid, was just a random thought anyway.

Cheers:original:

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stay free and when you can donate. :original:
any amount is valid.