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shower trolls with love...as your only response to their posts...
:wub2:

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Some people seem to enjoy a bit of a tustle :wink2:

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1.A forum is not a house where you have to feel amongst friends all the time, or where you have to feel loved all the time.

2.A forum is a place to exchange opinions: it´s a jungle.

3.A forum has rules, you can or you won´t follow, up to the user.

4.Trolls are an inevitable thing of forums if you wanna have an open place for people to come and go whenever they want to.

5.A forum is not a house, it´s not a house where you and your friends hang out, unless it´s completely private, with restricted access, for example. Like a club. This is not the case here, it was the case recently.

6. Get over it.

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I always have seen a forum as an open place so that´s why i have wrote what i have wrote, i have got over the fact there could be always what many call a troll behind the next corner.

If people are so proud of being positively oriented, they should be less discriminatory. Though, there could be exceptions.

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Originally Posted by beren
Ok then, but what about this;

I noticed when someone replies to your thread and ,say, supports Billy Meier.

Or answers other stuff, then you jump in and cut off that person with your blunt statement about their reply. What happens next?

People get offended since you cut them off with your blunt reply which may or may not be true.

Communication is two way street.
My self, I heard about Billy Meier a year ago , looked his photos and I do not trust him. But that is my opinion. I do not go around and yell Billy is a clown or fake or whatever. Let people do fact checking and decide for themselves, I can not and will not persuade anyone into anyting.

But you then , you just use your shears and cut out !
How on earth you think you will be taken seriously and listened when you do that?

You have to allow people to have their say, then together search for answers, even if you know the facts, others may not know them.
We are not robots and YES SIR folks. We have emotions and we do need to process them in order to shed old learning and to get to the truth.
It is a painful process. It takes time. You do not cut someone´s leg if you find it sick. You try to heal it ,burture it and at the end if there is no other solution , you cut it to save the man.

Do not cut legs here Truthwalker,

P.S.
Jesus was not doing that...

If someone is asking a question to be smart, I don't see the need to spend my time replying to them. I only reply to genuine responses.

You are turning this thread into an argument. I am no longer going to respond to you, also, if you don't stop littering this thread with unfounded and incorrect accusations.

If you do it again the response will be:

*ignored*

I pasted here my last responce to that guy but nothing happened ...There was his pesponce in red.
Celine , I tried and tried...as you did and Brook and others ,what is going on?
There was a great aritcle on Yahoo yesterday on how to recognize manipulators and protect yourself...

Good reading ...

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probably you will get the love you wants from the same sources you got it in the past. Unless they stupidly decide to feed trolls instead of taking care of you... different circumstances discovers how people deal with them.

This new situation is good for your neverendingtraining, if you look at it that way.

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I hope it was a lesson for everybody and next time they will not engage in serious discourses with such personalities.

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well, ehem, ... nobody is perfect...

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i was meaning that i myself have been a troll a high number of times, when i was more passionate than now. And, that i myself feed trolls from time to time. Nothing i feel ashamed of , though.

Getting to 30, makes you reconsider your position, lol. Actually, you get old! :D

I can say that, if one thing a troll has, is a raging passion any other non troll hasn´t. Sometimes, some trolls are awesome sources of information.

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Life is a neverending changing of perspective. The more intense is that one when you see death ahead of you.

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i have see death ahead of me, since i can remember....life is far more intense for me, then death...

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Use troll spray

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x...roll_spray.jpg

Or the educational troll diagram

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x...nandmemory.gif

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in response to that :lmao:

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Celine;

1st of all, Hiya! T'was nice to chat with you the other day.

Having given a bit of thought to this (not all of it very uplifting), I decided to post here, instead of some of the other threads, in keeping with your suggestion about supporting the "better" threads.

Whether you liken this place to a house, or a bar...

1. Do you normally walk into a bar,

• Kick the bartender in the privates,
• Then demand your drink be served with a smile,
• Then complain about its size,
• Then order another, and another,
• Then complain you are not being treated fairly?

2. Do you normally walk into a friend's, or stranger's house,

• Plop in the middle of the couch,
• Help yourself to the pretzels,
• Change the channel on TV,
• Insult their spouse,
• Call their children ugly toads,
• Then remind him about "free speech", and how you belong there just as much as they do?

First of all, Dis Ain't Free Speech! I pay AT&T $30/month to read this garp!

The people who host it pay a good deal more. And yes, it is their house.

I have never much cared for "rules" in situations like this. "Rules beget lawyers".

People who want to dissect the fine print, then argue loopholes endlessly. In most cases what you wind up with is having to respond to some "high philosophical argument" like,
"Just because I spit 3 times a minute,
and gravity took over,
does not mean I spat on your floor!
UNFAIR!!"
Sorry, life's too short, and besides, I've already raised two children. I did my time.

Simple good manners are key.

Debate is about responding to issues, to facts with facts, in a forum this usually means including links to credible sources, and/or quotes.

If you are "threatened" by a challenge to your view, it is usually a good idea to:
1. Question how all pervading your view is.
2. Ask why you need to hold this view, and why must everyone "succum" to it? After all, whether we are willing to admit it, or not, most of what we say/post/etc is usually for our own benefit.


"i came here to learn and to share..."
As did I.
It was for that reason I argued long and hard against this place "going pay" late last year. I continued to read, because it continued to be a place of interest. I then paid in September of this year, because my wish to participate over-rode my objections.

Now that it's open to all again, I almost wonder.

Trolls are an inevitable thing of forums, just like trash is an inevitable consequence of cooking. So it should follow that, sooner or later, everyone but the rats will appreciate someone taking out the trash.

10 days into this, and I keep telling myself the place is going through an adjustment. I agree with Celine that one of the best things we can do is to respond to and contribute to what interests us, and let the rest fall away.

Anyway, about as far as I can go, and not stir the pot.
Fred

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Sledge hammer.
hobbit

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trolls can be boystrous but its them leprechauns u gotta watch out for :lmao:

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Thank you for sharing your concerns and your perspective. You add some very good points .

and i look forward to more enlightening chats :)

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Would anyone be willing to either either post or pm me a list of the particularly annoying and recently active trolls? I know this is very lazy of me but I literally have only a few minutes a week to read this forum at all anymore. I feel overwhelmed even trying to keep up with the discussions at all. I'd prefer not to waste any precious time dealing with the nonsense and would simply put all trolls on "ignore".

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Why would one want to automatically ignore people, because someone else says they're trolls?

Ok, you say you don't have a lot of time to sort through junk. I get that. Don't blame you for that.

But to IGNORE, think that that symbolically is. You're IGNORING another point of view. Probably one you might not agree with, or support but the fact that you are cutting yourself off from even CONSIDERING it...

I don't know- seems kinda like putting on blinders to me.

Like when some people IGNORE all the BAD things in this world, because it tarnishes their beautiful minds to think about such things... that's not balance, that's BS. And that's not being fully human.

As someone said in this thread, 'trolls' can sometimes be great sources of information.

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It went without saying that the list would have to have come from someone whose judgment I trust. I do "know" many of the longtime posters.

That's it, really, in a nutshell.

I have spent a lot of time in various internet forums, including this one. I am quite certain that trolls will not contribute anything useful, to me at least.

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371 it is much different to come in start a thread and let the thread flow but when one comes in and visits several threads to provoke a response then leave and start a thread you are not going to get any meaning full discussions. First you have people upset at the derailing of their threads second when you come in with a swagger like you know it all and the members here don`t have a clue because they don`t share yours or Michael`s views then what would you expect would happen.

That was Dood and yes he is correct ignoring trolls is not the appropriate way to deal with them for shutting ones self out from information limits what one can learn . That being said if you have something to share ..... Share it with out being an agent of disruption if that is to difficult then you can always go back to A/V and spin ones wheels

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So what would you suggest to do , if you feel one of your threads is going..."off topic" andd getting out of hand?

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Northern Boy,

I can only speak for myself and my own actions.

And I didn't know anyone had a problem with me... other than you.

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It's just stuff from the past... nothing to do with here and now.

Not even between me and him, matter of fact.

I'm over it, he apparently isn't.

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Never said i had a problem with you 371 you seem to think I do . Your posts have not reflected any thing close to what Michael was doing . Your participation so far from what i have seen has been respectful of others . I`m sure if he would have approached things similar to how you have he would still be posting. He choose the road he did for a reason what ever it is things didn`t work out for him


Everyone deals with this in their own way some prefer to not give it any energy Others will look at the members posts going back for a couple of days to get an idea of what they have been posting about and the tone of their posts . Still others will jump in and the flame wars begin . Some sit back and wait till the Provocateur has been allowed enough rope then they tie up the loose ends and let them have it

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ok...but which way would you choose to stop a flamming thread?

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Depends on the situation, i think.

Some you can tackle with a garden hose. Others you need to call out the fire department.

But honestly some fires are best left to consume themselves and burn out.

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Good point...but fire ...can bring on new life too...

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Absolutely.

http://occult-advances.org/images/j.jpg

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Eventually the mods will come in to either cool things off or close the thread . There is nothing wrong with having a discussion of opposing view points its healthy but when someone comes into a thread and posts stuff like what happened to Brook and is generally being disruptive in several threads without offering any thing up in return that cross`s a line and they should be reported to a mod and that mod should deal with it promptly I`m not saying they haven`t been but that is one way of dealing with it

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I picked up those vibes from you...wow..I am getting really good at it...