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Hello all;
I am not, and have never been a member of the Church of Scientology, All I have learned in the past 40 years from persons like Ingo Swann, Pat Price, et. al has always been independent of the C of S. I am sorry to learn that some of the greats in Psychic research have been involved with the C of S.
Mizar

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I'm not yet fully through the interview... but I think most saddening thing is that the C of S was infultrated and changed and then distroyed from within. So we would all avoid the C of S... I know I avoid them at all Mind |Body Shows as I feel negatively towards them now and maybe rightly so. This doesn't mean the original teachings are not worthwhile... but how do you find these original teachers? Another part of this game we call life...

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I have not read the interview but I would like to make a point on the messages of religions.

I believe that when a prophet has a religious message, it is not long before this mesage is hijacked by people who want power. These people become 'priests' (in quotation marks because religious leaders have many different titles) of this new message (however, I beleive that many priests and religious people are good people who want to live by the message and spread it.)

These false 'priests' turn the original message to their own ends and eventually, the religion just becomes another vehicle to feed their lusts.

I do not believe in any one religion, but I feel that the orignial messages contain a lot of good information and work. I listened to the bible on MP3 so I could hear the origninal message (as orignial as I could get without learning Hebrew) because I do not want to rely on priests for my development as I am worried that I am handing too much power over to them.

Rant over.

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I have been in the group since the early fifties, that is last life time and this life time. The technology works unbelievably well if applied standardly. I am a trained auditor and would be happy to answer any questions.

I was Declared 3 years ago for telling my friends and family about what is going on. There is a lot more than was covered in the interview as to what has happened and why. It's a huge topic to cover because it works and that's the reason for the attacks on it.

There are a tremendous amount of pieces to the puzzle in Scientology that Camelot is assembling into a full picture. It doesn't have them all but with the use of some of the techniques, many, many more can be found. This was even suggested by Hubbard in the sixties using the e-meter to do "archaeological" research into precise Earth and Pre-Earth history.

If you need any info, just let me know, happy to help. :)

J.B.

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I'm looking forward to a self-study course.

What is 'Declared'?

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Yes, more info- please share and thank you for the willingness to do so.

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I am with eleni I would like more info as well.

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Oh and that's Dane Tops by the way.

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You probably already received some replies to your question. Anonymous has gone to great lengths to publish all Hubbard documents, lectures, videos, etc.

Also the Galac_Patra Yahoo Group just installed a website on an international server and I have found it adequate.

Last lifetime I managed to cut short my between lives implanting and landed myself right in the lecture hall of an ongoing Scientology lecture series. Some of the best data I have ever come across. Most of it is compiled and thus some very ancient -- a real time saver, but as always test everything out for oneself.

I spent some interesting times with Hubbard last lifetime and there is nothing better in this world than going CLEAR. IMHO.

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Probably they were not that involved. Scientology can be used to make what I call polarized demi-gods, which is a misuse of the technology. Easier to control a polarized god than a CLEARED GOD who is merging his polarities.

Every gadget the ETs and Black OPs have is a cheap imitation of what someone who is CLEAR and trained to use his abilities can do with an effortless intention.

For me, it is nose to the grindstone, keep doing my clearing work and see what abilities crop up as a result. I Clear for the sake of Clearing myself and others and not so much for the sake of being a great psychic. I would rather be a great egolessness, lol.

Scientology has two parts: clearing processing, and making modern day magicians (hopefully white magicians). Best advised to take the clearing path before apprenticing to be a new magician-psychic.

Black Ops obviously do not mind and even like to cultivate psychic beings, but they hate and fear CLEARED beings the way vampires snarl at garlic. That is first hand experience, and I have the scars to prove it, LOL.

They should thank me for choosing to clean up the playing field with win-win strategies and processes.

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I put the interview up in audio format here for those that would prefer to listen to a robot rather the read a monitor. :lmfao:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...01A272033C0B56

Hi Jonathan, yes... please share whatever knowledge you can about how to achieve total recall. Any books you can recommend or online documents even?

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I was also with Hubbard for a bit last lifetime and if anyone wishes to put more pieces of the puzzle together, PM me.

It is generally agreed in the Freezone that all the good clearing practitioners left CofS and are now in private practice. Same goes for my auditor who has been auditing for 20 years outside the CofS. As with every service profession please employ CAVEAT EMPTOR. Please do not treat it as a religion but as another Clearing modality.

I am very very happy when CofS does manage in spite of upper management to make Clears -- Buffalo Branch just made two clears and I am very happy for them, but they do not have the freedom of expression and response-ability that I enjoy as someone who is CLEARING outside the CofS. Plus I paid tons less than they did. :tongue2:

Where I am going next lifetime I will not be able to take the car or house or closet full of clothes, but my state of CLEAR will come with me into my next wonderful lifetime!! :original:

Thank the Buddha who one day decided to sit down under the Bodhi tree and not get up until he found it.

cheers!
Gnosis

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Here's an important source...i think all scientologists should watch.

Warning Contains course language!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNUjMz9-W2I

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Can anyone here give any information or documents concerning R3X? I received a message saying that it is one of the most straight forward clearing methods developed by Ron before scientology was over thrown.

A www search brought up nothing on it yet...

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It was I who dropped the word about R3X -- a very straightforward clearing modality. I did a quick Google search and was able to locate the Yahoo Groups that Robert set up. Best to PM me and get his contact info is you wish to get questions answered from the developer of R3X, or sign on with one of his Yahoo Groups and ask questions.

Hope that helps.

Gnosis

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Yes, I saw that -- he was really upset and I was surprised that the CofS would screw up with such a public person. I hope he continues his Clearing work outside the CofS. All the good auditors left the CofS and are in private practice. One such auditor posts on this forum.

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Bottom line, LRH is doing fine now in his new lifetime here on planet earth, better than ever and, YES, our future is in the stars.

LRH, in his current state of awakeness would more than agree that there is more than one way to ascend to the stars: The topography of consciousness could very well be slightly varied for each one of us. I have not yet done research into this.

More and more I am finding blogs and websites that talk about clearing the spiritual being of fixed dualities and compulsive behaviors, etc. Too numerous to list. CAVEAT EMPTOR and go with your inner knowingness.

best,
Gnosis

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Any links available? I read the interview fully and am listening now tot the linked interview by Jason...

Is this clearing something you can do on your own or do you need 2 or more people?

Are there any clearing specialists in the UK?

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Wow! What a difference a day makes in posts.

I went Clear in 59' on Dianetics which was just getting to a speedier result at the time. The state wasn't validated until 3 years ago, trust me you don't want to wait that long to have the state acknowledged.

That being said, Clear is not the end all of end alls and yes, Virginia, believe it or not, there are those who go Clear ( the state of relieving ones self of their current this life reactive mind ) and don't touch any past lives.(( Your reactive mind is a long story but suffice to say it sums up all the negative events you have experienced while under duress of one kind or another as well as losses this life.)) That is odd but does happen on occasion. Past lives are not what you are looking for but they do come up on there own quite frequently as you unburden yourself more and more.

To go Clear , STANDARDLY, one will need an auditor to audit you. Most of the "protestant" auditors outside of the church do charge for their services. An alternative, time consuming but still very, very, effective, is to do it the original way and apply Dianetics to another person and and them to you. Just round robin 3 hours a day each and you will get the job job done in most cases.

The biggest problem in the Organization today is the obfuscation of the correct workable technology. People don't get anywhere without a ridiculous amount of money and then where they get in advancement is questionable due to the alterations. That being said they do get some gains, which is a testament and tribute to how powerful and effective the technology really is.

All of the original works are alive and well outside the church, there are many auditors who practice standard tech to this day. The main idea is it is a workable technology and does work if applied exactly. There are many individuals who have taken it upon themselves to embellish or change the data either for their own benefit or some other reason. Beware of these situations as it will only cause you harm in my experience. In other words if it isn't broke don't "fix" it.

That being said, Clear is not the end but just the beginning. Beyond clear is where you really find who you are and how much you have been tampered with as a being. The end result is you will find out for yourself just WHO YOU ARE, how you got here, and that you CAN be at cause not just for yourself but for everything for the good of all. The abilities that Mr. Tops mentions can be obtained, but, every being has his own talents and the results are for relief of negative gain as a being not to do parlor tricks. If that makes sense?:wink2:

The things you have gotten yourself into and the beings that allowed you too were not good guys and they have installed things "into" you that you have no idea are there. Hubbard was really intuitive in his methods to find these implants and how they were laid in.

A good reference to start reading is Fundamentals of thought. Pm me if you want to know where to find it. The technology of Scientology is unbelievably unique and applicable to nearly everything. I use it every minute of everyday. Nothing else exists in this universe like it and it is a way out, a very workable way that those with less than honest intentions want to bar for the rest of us.

I am happy to direct , answer, and help if you should need it. It's a blast.

Jonathan

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It is a term for being ex-communicated. You cannot do services, see friends, family, or business partners who are still in. It is an effective way to isolate you if you know something they don't want others to know. It originall was used to delete anti-social persons out of the group effectively, which number per the tech. 2.5%.

The church has declared 98.5% of the people who were responsible for the churches largest organization and successes at that time in England in the late 60's. Far more than the 2.5%, which is obvious as to why.....

They knew (or know) that the tech. has been changed and needed to be silenced or they would tell everyone. Thus they had to be made into suppressive "lepers" and cast out, like myself.

The church has slowly deleted places, omitted dates, names of people, events etc. from every document they can find to hide their actual changes. They will until a group comes along who has the confront to call them on it and expunge the alterers from the group and restore changes to their original form, intent and workability.

Hope this answers your question.

jonathan

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Amazon had 3 older hardback copies from 1956... One is on it's way to Essex now :)

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Thank you for explaining the meaning of 'Declared'. It must have been tough.

Here is a link to a zip file containing 20 Scientology books including "Fundamentals of Thought" as referenced above.

http://www.scientology-london.com/do...iles/books.zip

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That is a good question and I can only answer for myself. I need a clearing practitioner to help me. He charges under $50US per hour and I have a certain disposable income and that is how I am proceeding.

He works over the phone or SKYPE. SKYPE cuts out the need for a local practitioner. He has clients all over the world. There is a passionate ongoing debate in the Freezone where one side says phone auditing is bad and another side says it works. It is working for me is all I can say.

Best to interview a few practitioners and decide for yourself. If they start to badmouth someone else in order to position themselves with you, then you might want to find a more evolved practitioner.

I wish you the best and I hope you hook up with a good clearing practitioner who performs his task simply. The more clearing work you do the more you will be able to do some of it for yourself, so it is not necessarily a "forever" proposition.

Jonathan Burke says he is a clearing practitioner and if he works over the phone he might not have to be in the UK to work with you, or he might refer you to someone if you want to work face-to-face.

You might get lucky and hit paydirt with your first practitioner or you might get shuffled around a bit before you find someone who is most syncopatic with your particular needs.

best of luck,

Gnosis

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I to am much more interested in self help techniques, or stuff that I could do with friends or family. I personally would have a hard time trusting a stranger to work on me at a deep level.
Also, and no offense to anyone, I will not pay money for 'spiritual' work of any kind. I can understand where people come from who charge, but that is the old pairofdime http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...cyparadigm.jpg
Money is used to control us and adding more fuel to the fire no longer works. :lightsabre:
This is why I give Bill and Kerry my full support, the money fraud is also Xposed! It's time to get this stuff out to the masses free of charge, and live free of money!

Anyways sorry to derail a little there, thanks for the info on this stuff, keep it coming.

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Besides Dianetics 55, my all time favorite is axioms and procedures and the "PDC" lectures. The "PDC" lectures are considered a classic. I think even a few ETs attended that lecture :-)

best,
Gnosis

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I understand where you are coming from and yes we are imperfect in an imperfect system. My practitioner is less controlling because he publishes everything he knows to help people learn to help themselves, but he will charge for his time if someone is demanding his time. I think that is fair. My hubby has a business and he charges for his time and expertise, but he does not keep any secrets about his techniques from his customers.

The Self-Analysis is a good DIY project with friends and family. And you won't be revealing anything to them on a deep level, so it might be right up your alley, eh!

Do you personally live free of money? If so, how have you evolved to that stage? I am getting to the level where I feel that I don't work for money, I just have money. Plus all the Clearing I do is not for dollars, there is a different kind of "pay" or "energetic exchange" that is more valuable to me than money that I receive from the beings I work with in the way I work with them. Instead of a money system I am operating more on a FAITH system.

It is important ethically, if one chooses to use someone's time up, to energetically exchange with them to the extent that both parties are happy with the eXchange. The willingness to exchange can be said to be a measure of the client's actual intention or demand for improvement. Low intention, low demand equals low results imho. Does that sound fair?

best,
gnosis

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Yes I have nearly gotten to the point where I am money FREE. I didn't have to visit a grocery store last summer for intance as I tried my hand at gardening, and nearly blew my mind at how easy it was and how much food one can get from such a small area. :lmao:

I often talk with people about this, and they always bring up how it is we need money, and I joke by saying " I know, but the reason I need money is because you think you need money".
So yes this is a problem that can only be fixed on a massive scale, everyone needs to see that it is money that stops us from having abundance by creating scarcity.

Its just a different consciousness is all, rather then wanting payment in terms of money, I would happily accept gratitude and feel great knowing I helped someone. What payment is worth more then that?

Think of how you help friends and family for free, for the joy of helping, now imagine doing that with all of the rest of your family here on the planet.

Here is a great quote I recently came across:
"Before our white brothers came to civilize us we had no jails. Therefore we had no criminals. You can’t have criminals without a jail. We had no locks or keys, and so we had no thieves. If a man was so poor that he had no horse, tipi or blanket, someone gave him these things. We were too uncivilized to set much value on personal belongings. We wanted to have things only in order to give them away. We had no money, and therefore a man’s worth couldn’t be measured by it. We had no written law, no attorney or politicians, therefore we couldn’t cheat. We were in a really bad way before the white man came, and I don’t know how we managed to get along without the basic things which, we are told, are absolutely necessary to make a civilized society."
-- Lakota Sage Lame Deer (from John Lame Deer, Seeker of Visions)
http://sites.google.com/site/livingwithoutmoney/

There is a strong movement brewing, that will take us all away from the control of money, it is only now starting to take form.:thumb_yello::thumb_yello:

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Yes, my true pay whenever I did help to clear someone, and right now I'm clearing Hubby, but my "True Pay" is that wonderful feeling I get when my past clients (and now Hubby) finally arrive at their personal big insight that totally clears them of a fixedness or a fixed polarity.

Ideally, no exchange of money works for me anytime. Realistically, I have never had a "free client" who did not make my work much more difficult than a client who was willing to pay for my time. What do I do about that? Even if I do not need the person's money at least I want their full cooperation. With Hubby, I demand that he exchange by fixing things around the house that he can best fix. Then I know whether or not I am having my time wasted. I am not talking about my service, I am talking only about my time. Even a child wants to help their parents who give loads of time to them -- it is a native instinct, imho.

best,
Gnosis

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Speaking of food, I went for 60 days with water only and I felt great and I did not have to spend any money on food, just water. And I could have continued longer but my IN-Laws are here now and I did not want any discord. When they leave I will go on a "long fast" again. I did not become anorexic or "skinny" or any bad side effects.


best,
gnosis

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I find it funny how hubbard uses the good nature and curiosity of people to lure them into these churches and then zap.. ready to wear puppet.


Ron hubbards own son called him a fraud.
French govt convicted him of fraud in 1952
Banned from britain 1959 stating that scientology was socially harmful
Ron hubbard was openly racist

Gerry Armstrong is one of the most important people in Scientology’s history. As L. Ron Hubbard’s personal archivist, he unleashed the documented evidence that shows Hubbard lied about virtually every aspect of his life.

Creator of the e-meter Volney Mathison:

In 1964 Mathison stated: "I decry the doings of trivial fakers, such as scientologists and the like, who glibly denounce hypnosis and then try covertly to use it in their phony systems.

It seems that ron hubbard was rotten to the core long before any of the sheep joined the organization. Many, many high ranking scientologists have left scamtology and revealing the atrocities, questionable practices and fraudulent deals which is condoned and enforced by hubbard and the sea-org (militaristic arm of scientology).

ENEMY: SP Order. Fair game.

May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.
— HCO Policy Letter of 18 October 1967, Issue IV, L. RON HUBBARD

This is who ron hubbard is.

www.xenu-directory.net
www.xenutv.com
www.xenu.net

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So this doesn't start into a flame war, it doesn't take long for someone to do exactly what was covered in the Camelot interview, and that is attack.

The technology works and has even saved my life through it's application in an incident at gun point. Had I not been trained, I would not be here today. I can say this without reservation.

Hubbard has a lecture called "Why people don't like you." It's part of the Clean hands Congress, which the name has been changed current day. Go figure..

Hubbard has always said, and I find this to be the case, if it's true for you, it's true for you. if it isn't don't use it, go somewhere else. I am a trained auditor and have seen miracles performed as a standard daily practice. Miracles as usual basically. Correct application is everything. If you do that with this information you will not be disappointed.

You can find something negative about anything if you have that ambition.

The technology works period. If you don't like the thread go elsewhere at the click of a button. No one is selling anything here, it's a free sharing of data in a safe place. (sic)

I know who you are and what you are doing maikaNz. [I would like to know - Moderators]

As far as finding the books guys, well done! See if it works for you.

It will if you apply it standardly.

Concerning the Fair Game reference, the current Church does use that and in the sense it was used on this forum, it was never intended. It was cancelled in the early seventies by Hubbard. Later to be covertly used by the current regime.

Arthur, the son mentioned above, was a plant from the day he was born. Put there to create problems from the inside by the powers that be. I was there, I know. Were you?

As far as any other negative criticisms, the proof is in the pudding, the tech works. The internet teems with negative data on the subject because it works and "they" don't want anyone to have it. Period.

It's an enemy line from the get go. If it helps people, that's all that matters.



Here to help.

JB

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Wow.. There is someone on youtube that used almost that exact same speech, right down to the "It's true for you" statement.

The next statement I'm expecting from you should be:

"All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
-- Arthur Schopenhauer


I am Anonymous. Anonymous consists of everyone that has lost someone to scientology through disconnection or death. We are not a terrorist group or paid actors like scientology claims. We are not an organization, we are the people, we are the public.

I lost a childhood friend of 20 years to scientology. She turned from a beautiful, loving, caring woman to a scientology fanatic. She disconnected from me after me asking her to do background research on the religion. Thats some powerful brainwashing to break a 20 year friendship. I'm not the lone case. Scientology has been responsible for destroying families all over the world.

Stop the Cancer


Fair Game Policy was reinstated in 1983.

For all those people on this forum that regularly practice discernment and independent thought, go to:

www.xenu-directory.com
www.xenu.com
www.xenu.net

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Thats great Gnosis. I too am moving away from food as much as possible, I fast at least one day a week, I know my body will tell me when I'm ready.

There are well over 10000 people in Russia and 100s of 1000s of people in India who live off of not but Sun, Water, and Air.

One of the most famous "SunGazers" is Hira Ratan Manek who has underwent controlled studies for Nasa regarding his method of living without food. He has gone up two 4 years without food.
I would personally recommend Sun Gazing as it has done wonders for me, if this peaks your interest, here a video lecture from Hira Manek explaining the process and the science behind Sun gazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlCJPxxKoaY
And his home Url: http://solarhealing.com/

Sungazing is of course, a very ancient art, mentioned in many texts, and referenced in many native cultures.

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Hi, there! I think we can be friends ! At last, somebody who understands me :wall: Hey, why don't we encourage each other to achieve those high levels once again (I'm sure we were there in past lives), and also include turning off the sleep program, as the ex-scientologist interviewed said.

I'm putting in a garden for the first time, but I really think sprouts are even better for one, but someone has to grow the seed plants, lol, DUH!

cheers!
gnosis

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Thank you for the audio transcript -- I'm glad I heard that stuff. I already knew some of that stuff so it was good to hear it from someone else.

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Thank you for representing the opposite end of an ancient fixed polarity. It gives me direction and impetus for my clearing work.

best,
gnosis

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You are welcome. Its always good to see both sides of the story. Discernment and skepticism is healthy.

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Yeah, I know who he is too, interesting you brought that up. I wasn't going to say anything: I'm still processing some fixed dualities that have LRH's name attached to them (long story). It all works out for good :-) If Ron had not compiled so much data for we Westerners I'd probably be spending a lifetime drinking tibetan tea and eating crackers, studying the Vedas. Oh, wait a minute, I'm doing that right now!! Tea and crackers, I mean, lol.

cheers!
gnosis

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Nope I'm not Mark Bunker.

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Here's the deal, differentiate from the current regime, and the technology. I am not the current regime. I am alienated from two of my 5 kids due to being expelled. I don't blame the technology. That is a wrong target. Heck I don't blame the people in the Church who are worker bees. I don't blame anyone.

I take responsibility for being there and communicating. There is no such thing as a victim.

If it works it works. If it doesn't for you or you blame the Illuminati for corrupting the Church that's your purogative.

Sanity is the ability to recognize similarities and differences. I am not, nor are any of these people on this Board, the Suppressives who use an altered policy to alienate people from their loved ones.

These are two different things. People on this board and IRS controllers running a pirated Philosophical movement, two different things.

As for Anonymous, that caused more problems than solutions. Thus not the greatest good for the greatest number. I don't hide behind a screen name or call myself anonymous which is a generality. I have the confront to say who I am and help people.

I am empathetic to your predicament as I am there myself but I will not cut myself off from or deny others the ability to make up their minds with ALL the information.

People can think for themselves in some circles still.

JB