Canada's Inuit notice the Sun is not where it should be.
 

I watched a CBC (Canada) news story that mentioned that the Inuit of Canada have noticed during the last several years that the Sun is sometimes not where it should be.

Here's a quote, from another source.

Elders across Nunavut have noticed that the sun and stars have changed their position in the sky. The sun is now rising higher and staying longer than it used to. Importantly, in the far north, you must remember that the sun goes below the horizon for a large part of the year, and therefore Inuit are very familiar with its celestial pattern. Indeed, Inuit we're talking with are telling us stories about how in the old days, during the dark months, they would travel the land by dog team using stars as their navigational tools. So, when Inuit talk about the sun and stars, they do so with an intimate knowledge of these systems.

We've heard that the earth has tilted in the direction of the sun. Elders explain that this is why the sun is higher in the sky and there is increased and more direct heat entering the Arctic ecosystem. As Japiti explains, this has subsequently altered migratory routes of animals, warmed the ocean water, and thinned the ice cover. While this almost sounds like a fringe theory to obfuscate that fossil fuel use increases greenhouse gases, it is actually something has just recently been acknowledged by scientists.

This came from isuma.tv, which presented a video of the cbc story.

Planet X?

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It could be that the ice sheets are melting (reduced elevation ?), making it appear as though the sun and constellations are higher. The terrain is very changeable in the North, especially now. Some people are saying that the activity of ice breakers there is contributing to the melt too, by chopping up the ice, so it melts faster. The permafrost could be thawing and sinking the land, as the water drains out.

Either that or the earth is spinning out of control ! :original:

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Very interesting indeed. I have a few thoughts on this.

If this is indeed true, a possible reason for the change in path/position of these celestial bodies could be a slow shift in the pole. To most people around the globe, including observatories and such, the effect would be very minimal. Since the Inuit live so close to the pole, any small change would be more noticeable, especially since they still utilize them for navigation.

No Caste, I think your theory though at first seems plausible, I dont think that could be the case. Any change in height caused by melting permafrost would not be sufficient enough to make that much of a difference. Also, they are not talking about it rising higher into the sky, but rising at a different point on the horizon, which would require the Earths position/relationship to the sun physically changing.

If it is indeed rising differently and staying in the sky longer, this very well may be the reason for a false positive of "man made global warming" as suggested.

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Is this the north pole tilting closer to the sun in the june thru august summer? If so it would also tip further away in
the northern hemispheres winter as well and produce the same effects 'down under' ie closest in dec (their summer) and farthest in june.

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Also can the angle of orientation shift one way and the axis of spin change independently in another direction?

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I have noticed an approximate 15 degree shift in the position of the sunrise. (I face dawn through my windows.) Last year at this time, the sun came up directly into my face as I sat with my laptop, same chair, same position. Now, the sun comes up a little to the right, or south, if I'm calculating correctly. Anybody else notice this? I remember that sometimes I had to put sunglasses on, as I don't have curtains. I remember thinking how wonderful it is to now live in the South, and laughing about ordering sunglasses online for my birthday present to myself, so I know it was December. Has the predicted pole shift happened on a timeline/place wherein the change was non-violent? Have we successfully managed this change without trauma? Or am I imagining this? Is crustal slippage still in our "future?" Geez, now I'm asking questions like orthodoxymoron! HA Ha...LB

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I would be interested in knowing why the initial post in this thread is identical to this one on unhypnotize.com:

Canadas inuit notice sun not where it should

The post time on unhypnotize is a few minutes later. Are they pulling posts from here?

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it does not surprise me that the inuit have noticed changes.. i live in southern quebec, and i have notice changes....it seems to me that the winds have changed...

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Yes. I recently was thinking that instead of appearing directly overhead, the sun is more south from where one would expect it to be.

I thought it was my imagination, but perhaps not....

What does this mean? IDK. :shocked:

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It's also a lot whiter than it used to be, not yellow any more

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Yes. It's from the syndicated content here:
http://unhypnotize.com/search.php?searchid=1924

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http://www.doomdaily.com/2009/is-pla...wobble-effect/

Antarctic Ice Is Growing And Thickening

Despite reports to the contrary, ice in the Antarctic is growing in area and density and has been consistently doing so for at least 30 years now. Western Antarctica has shed several ice shelves over time, but Eastern Antarctica has grown greatly in the same time.
Ice-core drilling and monitoring of sea ice indicate that although there exists a widespread public belief in the melting of the Antarctic ice caps, this is not founded in evidence gleaned from the scientific monitoring of the sea ice conditions.
East Antarctica, a sea ice region extending out at over four times the size of the West sea ice region, has grown massively during the same period that the monitoring of the West Antarctic revealed melting. Scientists theorize such melting may be normal.

New Land is Forming in Alaska

Like a giant fist punching through the earth, a 1,000-foot long section of the beach below Bluff Point rose up 20 feet from the tidelands sometime last Friday or late Thursday, pushing boulders up from the ocean bottom, cracking sandstone slabs and toppling rocks upside down.
Below Bluff Point, a new fissure opened up at the base of the 800-foot high cliff. The uplift could be a re-activation of a landslide that happened perhaps 12,000 years ago.
“There was just beach before,” said Ron Hess, who lives on Bluff Road above the new uplift. “Now there are tidal pools.”
“You can see a rock circle,” said Marilyn Hess. “All you used to see was one big rock, and now you can see this uplift of rock.”

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More ice in Antarctica, less ice (more land) in the Arctic.

Well, who knows about the Inuit observations then. I tried with a terrain shift theory - hey, what if the giant ice slabs were tilting?? :winksmiley02: What I DO know is that Inuit observations are keen and, almost miraculously, some of the elders' stories go back to the mammoth hunts!

About the North, it's the melt of the fresh water ice, into the sea, that may cause problems with the Gulf Stream, like in The Day After Tomorrow. And it's thawing permafrost that's a potentially huge methane gas release issue, like a zillion farting cattle. I think these things are part of global warming modeling, which is where the catastrophic scenarios come from, including rising sea levels for low lying and inlet regions.

Hmm. Pole shifts... 15 degrees...

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All well resonating observations folks!

I can't help but wonder if that is even our sun anymore.

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Oh ****! That would be a bummer. WHO SWITCHED OUR SUNS??!! I DEMAND AN ANSWER NOW!!

:naughty: I wonder if atmospheric changes (say, chemtrails and pollution) are changing the look of it for us. The atmosphere is like an optical lens.

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Droid56, I just want to thank you for this post, not for the question being asked though its an interesting one :) but for the mention of isuma.tv.

I went and watched both of the movies Atanarjuat The Fast Runner & The Journals of Knud Rasmussen which meant allot to me.

Thanks:thumb_yello:

As mentioned by Droid56 isumaTV has this information about Inuit Climate perspective;

IKCC Story in Winnipeg's UPTOWN 12/08/2009
http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-know...nnipegs-uptown

As well as this one.
CBC News North Article on IKCC Project 12/09/2009
http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-know...e-ikcc-project

Its part of a Documentary that's a UN-sponsored Indigenous Voices on Climate Change Film Festival, make of that what you will.
16 min preview speech here : http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-know...sion-un-cop-15

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Hello Céline. I live in Temiscouata near the Maine border and noticed wind change too. I also noticed new species appearing in our region. We have more and more species coming from the south taking home in our valley. Golden Eagles were pretty rare when I was young, now they are here in just about all high places of the valley.

We see red headed vulture, or urubu that was not present before. Some new kind of large insect too, like large moth and large coleoptera.

We have also noticed new type of clouds in the area. Many of us here are observing the skies since childhood and these clouds are new here. It goes like the winds. Usually, the predominant winds were coming from the north east, because of the St-Lawrence valley. But now, it is the southern winds that are predominant bringing more precipitation than we used to have.

It would explain why we have a warming in the north pole but not global as the "specialists" are trying to make us believe. In fact, 2008 was one of the coldest year we had recorded since 50 years.

Namaste, Steven

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Interesting...I remember somewhere in one of eXchangers posts saying that the stars were in all different positions...I have also read this elsewhere..I'll try to track it down...if this is the case where will the new poles be ?? I read somewhere that they would be somewhere in Russia???

viking

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Where are their facts to back this up?

This is about as good as hearsay.

Proving this would be simple. Any one with a little knowledge of math knows, for any day in time during the year, there is an exact mathematical calculation, based on the known tilt of the earth in the orbit around the sun, and the latitude that you stand at, to determine the EXACT angle of the sun to earth. Shadows represent that EXACT angle.

So anyone who makes claims of "the sun is not where it should be", should be able to substantiate their "claim", with EXACT evidence of the angle of the sunlight landing on earth.

I haven't seen one who has done it yet.

It's because the Sun is EXACTLY where it has been for centuries.
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On another subject, this very same calculation can be used to determine whether the governments stations at the South Pole, Antarctica, are really at the direct point of the South Pole, or 90S. At 90S, it is impossible for the Sun to rise any higher in the sky than 23.44 degrees. That is the exact tilt of the earth in the solar orbit around the sun, all year long.

So the shadows caused by the Sun, at max height, will never have angles greater than 23.44 degrees off the horizon. So one can look at shadows in photos taken supposedly at 90S, or the direct south pole, and determine whether the truth is being told.

I've seen a lot of pictures of the South Pole station where the sun shadows are greater than 23.44 degrees. At this point, I have concluded the Governments are hiding what really exists at the direct South Pole, and the direct North Pole.

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KathyT, I'm well aware that the Inuit of Canada aren't providing scientifically legitimate data. It is "hearsay".

But I believe that it is high level "hearsay", because the Inuit are much more focused on the natural world than we "developed world" people are.

The Inuit people are hunters that are very much interested in when there is enough light to hunt, because hunting is an integral aspect to their lives.

I'm living well beneath the Arctic circle, and we get some daylight each and every day during the year. But the Inuit hunters don't enjoy this solar situation.

When the Sun finally appears to the Inuit, they notice because it is a big event to a community that has experienced darkness for months.

Maybe the Inuit are wrong about their perception as to the Sun's position, but I'm still ready to listen to what they are saying.

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I would like to correct a statement I made when I said Isuma.tv had a video about the CBC story. Actually, it's the other way around. CBC had a story that referred to an Isuma.tv video, a film by an Inuit expressing Inuit opinions about global climate change.

Apparently this film will be shown in Copenhagen.

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Hello, Viking. I also read eXchanger's post about the different position. She said 13 degree differential. My "eyeball trend analysis" was 15 degrees, based on a reference point at the back of my property (forested mountains). So, my estimate was fairly close to her information. I was "off" only two degrees out of 360. Now, what I will do is take a photo on Jan. 19 because I have a photo of the sunrise from last year on that date. Of course, there will be those who say that it isn't "scientific" nor "provable" but those are just terms that can be used for or against an argument. In the event of cloud cover forecast for that week, I will take photos a few days before or after, just in case. Then, we can check it out to see if the sunrise appears behind a different section of the horizon. LB

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The earth axis tilt is 23.44 degrees. The latitude at my house is 39.1 degrees. At the winter solstice at noon, this makes the angle of the sun from 62.54 degrees from vertical or 27.46 degrees above the horizon.

With a level, a protractor, and a nail (to create a shadow) I measured the angle of the sun from vertical at approximately 63 degrees, or 27 degrees above the horizon, today at 1:00 PM. The sun would have been at its highest point today at 12:39, so I was a little off. Also, my instrumentation is pretty crude and probably only good for +/- 1 degree, and it is not quite the winter solstice.

In any case, the measurement is quite close to the expected value.

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That's an interesting conclusion. Without unlimited resources it would be hard to answer any of these questions.

Unless someone knows there math pretty good, and has mechanics to check the angle of the sun, we have no way of knowing for sure i guess.

But just on a personal note. During the summer I noticed one day that the sun was setting further north on the horizon than it usually does. I live in the valley Northern Valley and watch the sun set quite often. If Am supposed to believe it's our sun because the government says so.... I don't think i have to continue that sentence.

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No caste I can never tell if your serious or not...:lmfao:

but i suppose this forum will do that to you.... :tears:

If chemtrails and pollution are creating an optical illusion...

then perhaps these test could be conducted in an area where there is neither.

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I live and work in the far north and the sun looks just fine to me, same as last year, the year before and the decades i remember before that, go figure eh!

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Looks as though we are not alone in our observations of the sun

:smoke:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...age371651/pg12
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/earth243.htm
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread288581/pg1

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According to the calculations in the 2009 Nautical Almanac, and measuring directly with my Sextant, the Sun, and the Stars are exactly where they should be, however I have read recent reports that clocks have been off by up to two hours. The Analemma will put the sun in the "Wrong" position by as much as 16 minutes, the sun is either "Fast" or slow by that amount, the " equation of time" is used to correct for the effects of the Analemma.
Mizar

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Hi Swanny - I saw this old article when I was looking for a CBC podcast about the Mayan calendar, about the brightening and dimming of the sun. I do know that the sun has been dimming now too. I kind of attributed it to pollution and chemtrails. (Who knows!)

Bright sun made dark days in Mayan history
Last Updated: Friday, May 18, 2001 | 3:45 PM ET

Researchers have found a link between the evolution of the ancient Mayan civilization and the cycle of the sun. They say that every 208 years, the Mayans' homeland in Mexico was affected by droughts caused by the dimming and brightening of the Sun. And these droughts coincide with major events in Mayan history.

The researchers say the cycle coincides with the collapse of the classic Mayan civilization in the ninth century and the abandonment of pre-classic Mayan sites between 475 and 250 BC and between AD 125 and 210.
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2001/..._ow010518.html

- also -

Why the Sun seems to be 'dimming'
Last Updated: Thursday, 13 January 2005, 14:10 GMT
We are all seeing rather less of the Sun, according to scientists who have been looking at five decades of sunlight measurements. They have reached the disturbing conclusion that the amount of solar energy reaching the Earth's surface has been gradually falling.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4171591.stm

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It is a compact fluorescent (CFL) Energy Star certified sun, did not you get the memo -- whoops sorry about that!!!

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No sun, then what next -- no wind! How am I ever going to move off the grid!!!

gnosis

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Jonah - This forum probably aids my inner absurdist, that's for sure. I don't know how (or if) a changed atmosphere, like less oxygen, altogether different chemical composition, would affect the appearance of the heavens.

When you said the sun's not ours, it made me think it got switched! Maybe the sun itself is changing. I mean, clearly it's ever-changing, ... everything's ever-changing, ... I better stop here to avoid another la-la land loop.

{breathe} :original:

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Glad you have a sextant and know how to use it, and here is a link that explains Analemma:

http://www.analemma.com/Pages/framesPage.html

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I guess it is likely they are wrong in their observations, as the science dudes with science machines have pointed out.

But I'm still listening to the people who say they see unexpected things.

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Don't blame me for going to la-la land...

but since you brought it up....

multi-verse theory might explain such a switch....

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-m-theory.htm

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Hi NC,

A very good point that crossed my mind too ...
I started a thread Wubbo Ockels explains how ‘time’ is created by human beings , it got 106 views but no replies.
So some people have seen that presentation but did not give any feedback on what they think about it.

In this presentation Wubbo mentions that, in relation to the topic of the presentation, we have a 'program' running in our brain that makes us perceive reality different.
This 'program' is not perfect and has flaws. One of them is that we see the sun or moon appearing bigger when they are close to the horizon.

Well we have a lot of crazy stuff happening north on this globe. Are circumstances changing so that we only perceive things differently ?

So ... there might be an interesting link that you bring up.

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Well, after a little more research, it appears that the Inuit are right, from their perspective, with low sun angles and higher atmospheric refraction corrections their sun has indeed moved. Here's a link to the article;
http://www.eh2r.com/
For us farther south, nothing has changed, I stand corrected.
Mizar

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droid56 - Me too. I don't trust science guys and gals :winksmiley02: There's also perception, AND the earth's crust floats around too. I knew of a seismologist whose job it was to measure the mountains moving.

Jonah - Thanks for that link, really one of my favorite topics, right from when I was a physics student. I'm actually pretty happy for chances to go to lala land anyway :naughty:

Thanks, Operator for mentioning that video. I added this link about a similar program I heard on that thread too.

Julian Barbour, The End of Time: The Next Revolution in Physics
http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/features/liv...ime/index.html

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If any astronomical changes have occurred, absolute evidence should be provided through any of the multitude of ancient sites, purposely aligned with such objects...ie, Stonehenge, Pyramids...etc.

:original: