Where Are We on 9-11 Truth?
 

This is an off-shoot of the thread "Len Horowitz, a Dark Doctor in Disguise, Remains a Vatican Shill."

Because the phony "war on terror" and the loss of our freedoms by way of the Patriot Act, etc., are based on the 9-11 attacks, it is important that we establish 9-11 truth so that it can no longer be denied by the mainstream.

But it seems we have different factions within the 9-11 truth movement regarding what technology was used in the attacks, as well as allegations that the movement is infiltrated by those pesky parallel government disinfo agents.

:mfr_omg: Nothing's easy.

Let's put our heads together...

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Her theories relate to the dust and she mentions the fact that none of the papers burned (hmmm) and there was no toilets, sinks etc found at the site

These point to AMF weapon

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I've been following Judy Wood from the beginning, and strongly gravitate toward her theory. When you watch a steel beam turn to dust on video, right in front of your eyes...it is obvious :mfr_omg:

It is amazing that the American public believes that the twin towers were taken down by a plane. Time to wake up America!

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http://www.veritasshow.com/images/guestjwood.jpg

Is this the same Judy Wood you remember?

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They believe it, because they were told to believe it, from the moment of the event happening. The spin machine churned out the "correct" way to think & understand what happened & they have believed wholeheartedly.

Dr. Wood does an excellent job in explaining how this type of conditioning occurs in her interview with Mel Febregas on Manticore. If you have not listened to t, its a must. I call it the 2nd level of awakening.

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You better believe it. I certainly got another rude awakening with her interview. wow wow wow

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These numbers are growing daily:

Over 967 Licensed Architects and Engineers

5400 other professional supporters

Demanding a NEW 911 Investigation.

http://www.ae911truth.org

http://www.ae911truth.org/flashmov11.htm

This video is Excellent!

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Is there another? Yes that is her :naughty:
And I remember when her website first came out..it was constantly going down...imagine that :smoke:

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Just bumped into this...fresh off the press...

On September 11, 2001 the world watched in shock and disbelief as planes flew in to New York’s World Trade Center and the Pentagon in Washington, and Americans realized they were under attack. But by whom? What really happened? In The Unofficial Story, the fifth estate’s Bob McKeown introduces us to people who believe the real force behind the attacks was not Osama Bin Laden, but the U.S. government itself.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2009-2010/the_unofficial_story/

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_d...p?q=1259696696

viking

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Yes, there is another person that I have in my mind's eye, that I associate with her name in the truth movement, regarding what happened with the towers. So far I haven't located a picture of her and the old website pages I used to see on the net. This would have been in 2006 or 2007.

When I first looked at the above picture, I thought it's not the same person. But the more I think about it, maybe it is her, with a new look!

I'm curious.

What I remember is a person who was struggling with the scientific community to be taken seriously, and suffering a lot of ridicule. I remember a video of her in a discussion with a rather self-important physicist, and the video ended on a very sour note, with the physicist intimating that she didn't know what she was talking about.

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Is she standing alone or does she have allies?

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I will look at all events now with "new eyes" & not with ears. I'll bet that she had no clue that somewhere in her career, she would end up awakening the people to something so insidious.

One point that she made & I just remembered this, is when she talked about the steel being carted off to China? There was no steel, because it disintegrated into dust......yet we all heard those words about the steel and China & we never questioned it or connected the dots.

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Exactly....how does steel turn to dust anyway? :smoke:

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or how did all the papers fly all over and none were burned ?

where were the toilets ? crazy stuff huh

The biggest problem is that the truth of the charges hold so that it is not double jeopardy

The more they get away with the longer it will continue

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Hey didn't the MSM have an article about the steel from the WTC was used to make a new battleship or something in the last couple of weeks. I'll try and find it.

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Found it. So is this a distraction once again from the truth?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334332,00.html

http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/s...SNewYork01.jpg
March 1, 2008: About 7.5 tons of steel recovered from the World Trade Center are cast in the bow stem of the USS New York.

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Unfortunately .................that is another LIE and yes a distraction.

wow they had it all figured out. Just another day for them.......

When I heard Judy speak she made a remark about how the dust was not burning the firemens boots but yet there was a big to do over getting the dog some type of slipper.

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You know when I stop and think about it , 7.5 tons is not very much. One truck can carry 40 ton. So maybe this did come from the basement or something. There were a couple of steel beams in the rubble at the bottom. It was the top of the buildings that got disintegrated.

I still think the pentagon was hit with a cruise missile.

http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/s...2009/air-1.jpg

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Here's the picture I had in my mind's eye. I found it. This is also Judy Wood, taken from her website:

http://drjudywood.com/articles/a/bio/biopics/JDWood.jpg

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Just when I thought that I was past the point of being fooled. LOL

Its really sad to think of how we are / were so easily mislead

My husband just asked if I wanted to watch the Presidents message and I told him , yeah right. He didnt listen because he now doesnt believe either

Personally, I'm not so sure we have a president...legally anyhow

I heard Freeman say once, Bush was the last American president and I think he may of been right on that point.

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If you consider fraudulent elections (electronic ballots etc arranged by Papa Bush, they say), it might have to go back to 1996. IMO it was over in 2000. Bush wasn't the last President. That was Bill Clinton.

Also, from Dr Judy Wood: In case you are not aware of it, this is the first page of my submission to NIST. In particular, read the ones addressing the sound issue. It illuminates the false choice of NIST vs. thermite/bombs.
http://drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/WTC7a.html

Another quote: Yes, "Osama Bin Thermite and the Microspheres" are being heavily promoted with big dollars. Perhaps it is to drown out the release of my book to muddle up the message? My book contains absolute proof of what happened on 9/11/01 that is not debunkable. So, the opposition has reason to be going on their biggest propaganda tour.

I'm looking forward to the book.

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I'm glad some of you are experiencing what I experienced LIVE. How many times did I spew the same old propaganda? The put options; the steel being shipped to China. Oh my, was I wrong?

The perpetrators MUST own the truth movement. Also, she really did not want to discuss the death of her student (Michael Zebhur), Dr. Eugene Mallove (which I also discuss this week during Dr. Brian O'Leary's interview), and a number of her instructors who were murdered during the Virginia Tech massacre. But I wanted her to do so, so their deaths were not in vane. Colin Andrews had a few people in his circle die mysteriously. Paul Vigay is one of them. He had a 9/11 Truth Web site and also did research with Colin Andrews on crop circles. He was only 42. I brought up the connection 9/11/DEW & Crop Circles = microwaves. In my opinion, he was making the connection and was "taken care of".

Did you know the morning after the Virgina Tech massacre (Dr. Wood's alma mater) is when Dr. Wood was supposed to file her case in the Supreme Court?

I always wondered why Dr. Wood's information was not presented at other alternative radio shows. "They" don't want anyone to talk about this possibility.

Very best wishes to all,

Mel

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At least she has an ally in me. I'm glad I took the chance to interview her. My job (a matter of principle) is to cover every angle and her angle is the one that has convinced me the most. Our job is to discern and draw our own conclusions. I just don't like it when people ignore someone before looking at their work.

Mel

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That's right micjer, supposedly with the steel beams, right? Shipping steel to China was a great cover so that people could say "See? They're shipping the steel to China." Did you see any steel at all, aside from the small beams that remained erected? Almost like the CGI image of the plane blip that "crashed" on the Pentagon. There wasn't even a picture on the cover pages, but the headlines were in BOLD letters. Therefore, the average person would say "See, finally the published that picture, so truthers, shut up, there's the plane."

Mel

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Here is Alfred Webre speaking about Judy Wood:

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Here is a video clip which has puzzled me for more than a year. Watch the first few seconds very carefully...and notice a nebulous something which almost swims toward the towers. You may have to watch several times to see what I mean. What the hell is this? Is it a UFO? There are a number of videos with seeming UFO activity. A Lt. Colonel on the Daniel Ott show indicated that 9/11 was alien connected. The YouTube clip was removed...last time I checked. I found the segment...but as you can see below...it still doesn't work. The rest of the segments work fine. This one hasn't worked for months. Why? The rest of the interview was very interesting. Did ET phone Rome...and call 911? Was 9/11 an Inside D.U.M.B. Job? Did several factions and countries unite to pull this off? What was the energy source for the pulverization? A space weapon? John Lear thought so in the Camelot interview. Remember the space photo from directly above Manhatten while the towers burned? Could a UFO weapon have been used? What about micro-nukes? At the very least...we need a new and exhaustive investigation of 9/11 with the best academics in the world presiding over say a $50 million budget to REALLY get to the bottom and top of this madness.

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Dr Judy Wood has had people who have stood beside her for some time, one from this country is Andrew Johnson. There are some posts from him regarding their work together on this forum .( from the pre subscription days when a wider response was possible)

I applaud Andrew also for his excellent site," check the evidence ", and his long standing dedication to the exposure of the chemtrail operation.

So many heros out there, many of them low profile and not at all compensated financially for their extreme dedication and the danger they may put themselves in.

Andrew lectures occasionally in the UK and has some excellent early DVD presentations from Judy Wood. It's good people are finally getting to the truth of the truth. He was one of the first to allow me to see Deagle for who he is in regard to spreading disinfo in the so called truth movement .

Everyone has an agenda . I like Judy's.
I bet initially "they" thought she wouldn't be taken seriously as a woman, and it may have kept her alive, that and using terminology like" fuzzy blobs".
What a woman!

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I haven't studied 9-11 truth in some time.

I also find it hard to evaluate the assertions within the truth movement because I don't have much aptitude for drawing conclusions where details involving science and technology are involved. I'm fascinated by technology but I really struggle to understand it.

And it will take a lot to convince me that Dr Deagle is a disinfo agent. Therefore I have to ask the question, is it possible that more than one technology was used?

In other words, is the conclusion that there are traitors within the 9-11 truth movement actually compelling, or are there other possibilities or explanations that should be considered?

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I listened to speech, it didn't sound any different from the ones GW Bush gave unfortunately.
When he began with "8 years ago on september 11" even i had to roll my eyes.

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http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/erin1.html



http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/s...09/erinpr1.gif


Dr Wood has linked together her theory of what really happened on 9-11 to the WTC and to hurricane Erin.

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Imagine that Freeman and GW Bush knew what they were talking about and it was US that didnt get the jest of it and they were both right


In fact, didn't GW then made that awful joke about dictorship? IMO that is exactly what ust transpired..............we were already NWO and he was our dictator.

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Has anyone seen this on Judy's website. It shows the steel turning to dust.

Amazing how she has put the pieces together.

Check out figure 37 on this page.

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/D...WarsBeam3.html

http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/s.../dustspire.gif

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The government maintains that the Twin Towers were each hit by aircraft and the subsequent fires weakened the steel in the upper stories, initiating a gravity-driven "pancake collapse," as illustrated in Figure 30. There are many problems with this hypothesis. The most obvious problem with it is the near free-fall speed of the destruction of these buildings (see Billiard Balls). A second problem is the paucity of remaining material. Where are the concrete floors? Where is the office furniture? Where is the office machinery? Where are the filing cabinets? Where is the wall board? Where are the bookcases? They were not there, so most of it appears to have turned to dust.

http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/s..._2009/dust.jpg

An illustration of what a "pancake collapse" would look like. The rubble pile should be at least 1/8 of the original building height (12.5%).


http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/s...2009/dust1.jpg


An illustration of what the actual destruction looked like. The rubble pile was no more than 2% of the original building height. Both towers went "poof."



http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/D...WarsBeam3.html

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I thought the 9-11 thang was all done.....

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=16368

The QRS 11 Chip.... Well we finished with it...


Trooly,

Tango

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I need some help.

I haven't researched 9-11 in a long time. And I know I will get all tangled up if I try to click on links to try to bring myself up-to-date.

Could somebody summarize for me:

1. How many competing theories do we have within the truth movement at this point in time?
2. Who the major advocates are for each theory.
3. Is it not possible that more than one technology could have been used; thus, more than one theory could be correct at the same time?
4. Is it absolutely necessary for the truth movement to solve the who-done-it accurately in order to force the controllers of the official story to fess up?

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To start I would say that there was 3 theories.

The first is the "official story that the planes weakened the structure and caused it to collapse. Most "normal" people like to believe this one. :lmao:


Second is it was brought down by the use of thermite in a controlled demolition. This is what Alex Jones, CBC the passionate eye, and many others theorize.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...identified.htm

And the third is a scalar star wars weapon. That is Dr Wood as I've linked above.


Perhaps it is a combination of both. I agree does it change anything. We are aware of the motive behind the plot. How they did it may be irrelevant.

:nono:

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micjer,

Thank you thank you thank you!!

I love it when people answer the question that was asked rather than some other question! :mfr_lol:

What is "CBC the passionate eye"?

Re. the use of thermite in a controlled demolition: isn't there an argument about thermite vs. nuclear weapon?

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