Is Obama working for them or us??
 

Is he a puppet?? Or is he working for the Light?

Found this article ... but not sure ...
Obama Warned By CIA, “Surrender Or Join Kennedy”

Russian Intelligence Analysts are reporting to Prime Minister Putin today that President Obama has been given an ultimatum by his own Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to “surrender immediately or join Kennedy” over the American leaders plan to destroy that agencies power over his country “once and for all”.

According to these reports, former CIA Director and US President George H. W. Bush, along with 7 other former CIA chiefs, presented Obama with their ultimatum ahead of this weeks crucial United Nations and Pittsburgh G-20 meetings of World leaders where Obama is expected to break with the New World Order factions that have devastated his country and realign the United States into the ‘orbit’ of the Russian Motherland who has fought these monsters for decades.

further reading...
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1278.htm

Also found this and if this is true... then perhaps he is trying to do the right thing?? ...
"Barack Obama has demanded the Pentagon conduct a radical review of US nuclear weapons doctrine to prepare the way for deep cuts in the country's arsenal, the Guardian can reveal."

further reading...
http://www.truthout.org/092109B

viking

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Bravo for asking a question so clearly.

He's a puppet. There is not a doubt in my mind. And I think that believing that he is working for the light is dangerous. It causes people to go along with things they should not be going along with.

However, I don't have the time or energy to read beyond your question in your post. And I don't have the will to debate the issue. Maybe some other member does have the time to analyze what you've posted and debate it.

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It doesn't matter who is the president. Makes no difference at all. That office is the most controlled job on earth. If you think you'll have a choice on what you are allowed to do or not do when you become president, that illusion is gone by the time you receive your pre inauguration briefings.

I don't even make the assumption that a benevolent president is possible in this game. I don't believe it is.

Einstein said that you can't solve a problem from the level of the problem, or the level of consciousness that created the problem. I think that applies here. The PTB have created an enormous rats maze inside of a totally polarized socio/political system, which they of course control both sides of. So think of American voters who still pay any attention to that system as rats in a maze. What would they be thinking of? probably "do I turn left or right to get to that tantalizing cheese I've been promised????" That's the wrong question, I'm afraid to tell you. The right question is "what the hell am I doing in this frickin' maze????:wall:

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Interesting that Clif High said in his latest interview on Veritas, that Obama is NOT the PTB, he is merely a minion class. The minion class are those serving the PTB, knowingly or not. I honestly believe he is a good person trying to make changes and now just learning what we know about who is really running this country. I think he is brave, he is trying to do the right thing, and I hope he survives.

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He is a rebelling pupet, if I may put it this way. :original:

They effect of awakening hits everyone, even the manipulators. These high frequencies vibration do not choose and select through who or what it passes. It simply crosses all on its path. Some may ask for 'exorcism', hehe, there you got it.

Namaste, Steven

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I thought that on Avalon we will not see questions like that.:mfr_lol:

I thought that up to now, was evidently that the current fight in the word is between the forces of light and those of darkness.

I would suggest you a link, but before laugh and mock, remember that the darkness forces just copied and reversed the deeds of God:

reversed the cross, they Reversed the Bible, etc They are able just to copy and in order to be opposite God, just simply reverse it. Applying their technique, why then also the speech cannot be reversed and see what is hidden there?


If you are able to watch to the end and try to think a little bit, just one small detail missing to not fulfill the Apocalypse scripts.

And to answer to your question:

"sometimes God is using the wicked and corrupted to advance his agenda for the benefit of the righteous"

If you think that the fantastic funds and energies consumed by TPTB to make advertising to Obama, even before he has any merit or did any appreciable deed, were just for that sake of him, than you are utterly wrong in your thought process. They are not moving one finger, nor spend one cent if there are not 3 benefits for them in the same time.

As some people find interesting meanings in old Aramaic language for the men name, you can search on youtube, seems that the effort of elites to put him in the limelight, meaning that they have great plans with him.

Didn't he already played down the nasty issue with European Missile Shield making happy the russians? I just wait him to solve superficially the problem of palestinians in Middle East and emerge as of Men of Peace in the World (soon you will see). SO, all the steps in Apocalypse are going to be fulfilled.

If you still ask, he is working for them or for us, please define us and them, first, then will be much simpler!

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CHILLING I have heard this before and it wasnt in America I just can't remember.

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What he's doing is very risky and dangerous. However, we must put aside our petty cold war feuds of the past 50 years and move forward.

Something tells me that the CIA doesn't want to let go of the past. However, we MUST do so.

It could have been anyone who decided to rebel against their masters but it just happens to be Obama.

Godspeed.

And to those who try to paint Obama as the anti-christ, we already have one on our hands: George H.W Bush.

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I dont see Obama as the anti-christ either. He is not the only one that ran on change or used that slogan. Where did the original slogan come from. Oh my The pointer sisters sang a song "yes, we can can"

Obama did what he was told to do. I still think, he may try some ways to get around the "****" that our government is 'neck up in' but I'm not holding my breath.

We the people are the only ones that can make the change we want and to hold grudges won't get us there. So we have been told over and over and over again

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It's funny because there's no argument that George H.W Bush on 9/11/91 knew that 10 years later, his plan would come full-circle in the form of 9/11.

They're in their end-game and we're not going to be their pawns this time around.

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I don't like Obama's communistic bent, and I don't trust this article you linked to about how Obama is fighting to get rid of the CIA. Where are the corroborating documents they keep referring to as FSB Addendum? They linked to the Wiki info on Operation Northwoods which is all fine and dandy, but this is about Obama, not Kennedy.

The whole idea that Kennedy asked for Russia's help is beyond belief. "Yes, Mr. Kruschev, please bring in missles to Cuba and threaten the very safety of America to stop these rogue CIA elements who want to do a false flag event!"

Yeh, that just doesn't make sense. None of it matters because we all saw 3 buildings get pulverized to dust on 9/11/01 and it's widely believed to be a false flag and the people don't care. Nothing is being done. The military is owned it appears, the politicians are owned, the pharma are owned and all the people care about is what football team is playing this Sunday.

We have to be our own change and start working in a grass roots way amongst ourselves. I do not see a National come to jesus day happening with regards to the elites running this country and the world.

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Yes Ive often wondered the same thing.

I read some where that the initial swine flu outbreak in Mexico was a take on his life. I also wondered if he had to release the swine flu to prove himself to certain agents, just a theory of mine. I cant see how he would of got into power with out being in bed with the evil elites..
Maybe he is doing his own thing for the greater good of man kind.. I often think of Obama, then say to myself "do the right thing" like a kind of mantra, well along those lines and really concentrate and send him love, maybe if enough do this it might manifest itself..
There is also the side of me that thinks that with the talk of de-nuclearing etc it could be a pre-text for false flag attack... I can almost here Obama saying it now "The USA was on the brink of a historic moment in history until the terrorist from.... attacked..."

I would like to think he might be working for the good but with his hands tied.

Its almost a full time job trying to keep track of everything thats going on to try and formulate an opinion.

Stef

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Did you ever go way back and see when this plan first originated ?

It was way before GHWB..........his grand-daddy was hand and hand with the nazi's......who are these nazi's ??????

Who is really running our world ?

GHWB is still in the white house. He is on the board.........check it out

Obama has very limited power. GWB had very limited power Clinton had very limited power..........and so on and on.

Abe Lincoln didnt want to play the game bang bang !!!
JF Kennedy didnt want to play the game bang bang !!!

If Obama tries to go against the game he too will tried to be executed.

People really need to get their mindset off...............political party BS and see the real picture

I'm not saying Obama is not in the light.....personally, I am not going to say that because I do not know for sure. I stopped caring about who ever is in that role, because thats all it is, a role for the puppet master. Not a part I would want

So to say this goes back 10 years is just not true.............its been in play forever.

Here is a speech JFK gave back in 1961............48 years ago. He tells you who is running our world.

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wrong post... :)

But now i think about it... We just need to cut the mis-match energy of government off. Take responsibility for ourselves.

Government = Control of Mind

once you make the jump back to the divine consciousness no lawyer, judge, politician or other low life scum can tell you anything!

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mntruthseeker,

George H.W Bush *IS* a Nazi. It may go back way before him but he set the wheels in motion that day back in 1991 to get us to where we currently are. The man is pure evil and yes, he is just another in a long line of evil, vile people.

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Not in 1991 did this start off............JFK was discussing it back in 1961


It was once called Global Goverment or World Federalist

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obama is their to make sure america gets toasted and russia and china take the place in the pecking order. im still on the fence with the fed reserve thing. the PTB wanna kill it and so so we.. they cant get a world bank and govt in officially with the usa as a soveriegn entity and a fed reserve.

im no fan of anyone in authority.. obama 'nice guy' doing what hes told. if he deviates hes old news and he goes the way of kennedy.. see poeple always go obama this and obama did that.. hes doing none of it, hes a talking head. he wont disclose either..

WERE ON OUR OWN KIDS GET LETS GET USED TO IT:trumpet::lightsabre::thumb_yello:

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IN MY MIND this plan was put in place way before bush was even born.

I do not think bush is even one of us

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quote/ Obama is expected to break with the New World Order factions that have devastated his country and realign the United States into the ‘orbit’ of the Russian Motherland who has fought these monsters for decades. /quote

just said it yourself , obama is communist plain as day.. btw that article sounds like sorcha faal type disinfo pooh:naughty:

ps: thats the plan to destroy usa from the inside and russia takes over, lyndsey williams insider also spoke of this.

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The CIA are not the ones that he has to be careful not to **** off. He has to be careful not to **** off Majestic. The CIA has a lower access level than Majestic does. Way lower. Even the director of the CIA does not have access to all of the black stuff.

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Yes, I am in total agreement with you on this. I know better than to even continue talking about this.

We really have no one but ourselfs to depend on. I KNOW there is a hidden hand behind the curtain

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I dont like that yes you can stuff :thumbdown:

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This plan in all it's permutations goes back to the first day the master geneticist ETs planted us here. NO - the controllers are NOT human. But they are AFRAID of us. Step into your power and watch them p*ss their pants. Oh wait, I bet these interdimensional PTW don't even wear pants.

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Karen, Trust me I am finding out. They are very afraid as they s/b

The last two days my days have sped up so fast, I feel like I'm spinning


I am Loving it !


I just thought of the ending on them not wearing any pants. No, I highly doubt they do. hmmm

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I have tried twice now to post to this thread.

I am a recovering political junkie of some 20+ years, and it is my considered opinion that, there is only one difference between Bush, and Obama.

One has smaller ears.

Nothing will substantially change until the people stop and take the time to re-assert themselves as the owners of government. The other alternative is for this government to fall, and "that way lies madness".

50% of the problem is the idea that someone will enter this arena and "save us". T'aint gonna happen. It isn't for them, but us to fix this. This can be summed up in a recent movie quote:

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:lmao:

Nice one... isn't that also the difference between him upstairs and him downstairs too ??

:original:

That 'yes we can' reversed is pretty darned convincing. Still, someone once told me that if you play the end of Sgt Pepper backwards, the beatles can be heard to say , 'We'll f**k you like supermen'.

Yeah, right.

What that video gains in real convincing appeal for 'yes' we can, it loses in trying to bend other sentences to fit which you could just about make out, but frankly, did anyone listen to any of those, without reading the words...and understand what was being said ? I don't think so.

So, the one bit sounds really convincing, but I wonder if as a control, has anyone tried recording those three words into the PC and see if they sound that convincing (notice the crowd don't seem to say it as well as he does...maybe it's the intonation?)

I can see the Can becoming eenyyaac (thank) and we becoming eeww (u), but can't imagine how saying 'yes w' backwards comes out as the name of the beast...

But if that really works. that is quite something.

Because if it doesn't it's just more of the same, just because it says that what it sounds like backwards and plays convincing audio of Obama saying those words, doesn't mean that that is how it does sound. (we'd have to run a test to figure that out ourselves... is all I'm saying.

Gosh, that was long winded. Am I making any sense ?? Time for bed methinks...

Sleep tight. Yes, we are the change. In that he is perfectly right.

K

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Isn't commie-baiting the oldest trick in the book?

I don't think we're doing ourselves any favors by using such terms.

PUPPET makes more sense.

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mntruthseeker,

I don't think you understand me. The "plan" has many phases to it. The current phase we are in was linked to Bush Sr. The "plan" itself is much older but once again, I believe it has phases and all of them are rotten.

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HJ, yes I understand what you are saying.

One thing that I got involved with was the 13 bloodlines and found out how all the presidents, vp,senators,congressman etc have in common.
BLOODLINE.....as I'm sure you know.



http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/index.htm




GH Bush sr was not the first one in his family.

Dr Vannevor Bush was MJ12 and he was advisor to Eisenhower from 1945-1949

I can go on and on. But it is very time consuming. The 13 Bloodlines can be found at this site and you can get all the names. In fact its quite shocking how they are all related......A bunch of inbreds (hmmm, explains somethings)

You would be so surprised by the names you see.

eisenhower
clintons
bush
walt disney
krupps
dupont
johnson and so on.

All going back forever it seems. So the actual plan started and the people that get elected shove through pieces. Yes, he threw in his little slice and behind many other's slices also.

Round Table Group of the secret government includes 7 countries

Britain South Africa Canada New Zealand Australia India and the US

So all I am trying to get across is the fact that NWO is something that has been in the works, I can't be angry at Bush for putting his handiwork into this any longer. It does me no good.

I know that if I say I hate him, as I did in the past, it brings me down. I just can't hate any of them anymore. I can't even say I hate what they did because it is judging them.

I have to only think of what it will be.

Somewhere in my heart, I still believe in Obama. I will not put down the reason my mind is turning on my opinion as I don't trust the site.

I want him to be helping us so I believe he is but I will continue making my own reality by thinking positive

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It's my opinion that he's working for Rockefeller/Rothschild et al. The latest little gem that I've just found says that Obama spoke at NATO yesterday, and he agrees that the population is what is contributing to global warming, etc. When will the corporations that have filled our air with pollutants for decades admit their role in this? It is not the fault of the unborn that have produced todays climate, nor will it be their fault if they are raised in an environment that encourages greed and consumption above the protection of our planet.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=110720

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I would agree with "puppet".

Kind of funny really. The man actually had the hubris, ego, and inexperience to think he was one step ahead of them. Fact is, because of the first two of those, they had him from gitgo.

As to calling him a communist; it simply feeds the monster by continuing to hide it. To really understand what's happened to our country, people really need to look up the meaning of the word Fascism, aka Corporatism, then take another look around.

Stop saying "It can't happen here!", because it already did.

Fred

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Besides the bloodlines, which is very esoteric and difficult to prof and relate, I'm suggesting a more factual information, feet on the ground.

Here is one of the most correct, factual and complete view over the last administration (documented) I read lately, I was speechless:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread503799/pg1

Hope that will bring to you a more correct view over who TPTB brought as leader maximo.

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ArtVision;

Went to and skimmed your link. I gotta tell you that, yes, I am upset about all the same items. I'm also seeing every one of them as milestones along the road to Fascism, aka Corporatism.


This is year 9 of the overt bush/obama Fascist engineered take-over of this country.

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:sad::sad:Yes Fredkc, do not mention some people are feeble minded enough that have been rallied with somebody who even refuse to produce his birth certificate, required by law when get into presidency... and this is not a sign of worry for them...:sad:

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Thought I would resurrect this thread as we still have many unanswered questions...

We all know that Wilcock and various others support him and I try very hard to see him in the light...however...

A few years back he promised us this... We can take this to the bank can we????


With his recent troop surge in Afghanistan I am beginning to wonder...

quote...
"After months of deliberations, President Barack Obama finally outlined his revised strategy for the Afghanistan war in a nationally televised address Tuesday night. The commander-in-chief repeatedly invoked 9/11, attempting to justify his plan to escalate the eight-year-old war, which calls for the rapid deployment of 30,000 additional US troops to the region by next summer."

Surely he would know the truth about 911?? wouldn't he??

quote...
"We did not ask for this fight," the president continued. "On September 11, 2001, nineteen men hijacked four airplanes and used them to murder nearly 3,000 people. They struck at our military and economic nerve centers. They took the lives of innocent men, women and children without regard to their faith or race or station. Were it not for the heroic actions of the passengers on board one of those flights, they could have also struck at one of the great symbols of our democracy in Washington, and killed many more.

"As we know, these men belonged to al Qaeda – a group of extremists who have distorted and defiled Islam, one of the world’s great religions, to justify the slaughter of innocents..."

quote...
"While Obama has vowed to put an end to the emergency supplemental requests the Bush administration used over the past eight years to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, it’s becoming increasingly clear he will ask Congress to approve at least one more emergency funding request to pay for the troop increase, which is estimated to cost $1 million per soldier or $30 billion a year."

further reading here...please read...
http://www.truthout.org/1201098

Surely we have better things to spend our money on!!

I cannot believe that no matter how much of 'oh don't worry he's just waiting for the right time' as Wilcock has stated previously!! You wouldn't send thousands of people to there deaths!

Am I missing something here? He seems to be of the same mould as the BUSHES etc etc ...

Light or Dark?

viking

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any one who has possibly attended this http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=9270 is not someone i trust.

bou x

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Well there you go...I didn't realize he had attended any of the meetings!!

Truth is in the pudding.

viking

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I found this statement seemed to set off an alarm bell with me . The IMF/ World Bank has alot of the same key players running as does the Fed of course we don`t see theem but but the same group that set up the Fed and other central banking systems set up the IMF with the solitary goal of being the world`s bank.

It also doesn`t matter how Soveriegn a nation is once a treaty is signed its structure is secured through the fact that they don`t need approval from the citizens of that nation or its parliment/ congress Obama could sign a treaty to give your land to the UN and you have no recourse . And thats exactly whats going to take place at some point down the line . When is a good question but it will happen

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hes a puppet and quite possibly be assasinated or removed from power in a coup. the assasination would be staged and a fake one id say. hes jsut an actor playing his part. cloned or otherwise.