On the topic of channeling, worshiping of God, the God of the Old testament
 

I posted this in response elsewhere, but not sure how many read that Topic or thread, so I will re-post here since it is spiritual related and may be useful food for thought.

On the topic of channeling, worshiping of God, the God of the Old testament, and the raising up of planet earth from a Christian perspective:


On the subject of channeling and taking messages:

Consider, our mind is like radio receiver and it can tune into many different stations. Depending on where our own vibration is at, based on our beliefs and emotions, we will tune into different stations. There are many stations between here and the spiritual realm.

My discernment tells me to carefully consider scare tactics may come from impostors, fallen beings or false Gods that manage the people through fear. Fear is indeed a vibration that enables many dark forces to manipulate humanity and feed from them.

Consider the infinite does not want any of it's children to fear. In fact, consider you literally create karma when you fear because you are lowering the vibration of your God given energy, which is Pure when you receive it, and misplacing it as fear, which is an energy of low vibrations and which will feed the illusions behind it. We will reap as we sew, and consider whatever energy you send out is your own responsibility. So when we fear, we are actually creating a karmic debt by miss qualifying pure energy that we have received as pure energy and lowering it in vibration and releasing it through fear.

Behind all life is the divine energy of the infinite, which is love based, not fear based. There is no separation in reality, only illusions of separation. These illusions have taken on a life of their own, which explains some of the false God's that are fed by the energy of fear.

Consider, as Jesus said, humanity can earn life eternal and permanence in the mind of the infinite by multiplying their talents and knowing the truth that will set you free. In order to do this you must be reborn, as Jesus often repeated. Consider, to be reborn means to overcome the illusions of the carnal mind, or human ego, and be reborn into the reality that all life is One. Your eye must be single in order to inherit the kingdom.

All life is meant to be an expression of the infinite. Unfortunately, much of it has fallen under the illusion that there is life in the consciousness of separation, when in reality there is only death, and this has caused an imbalance in much of life's expressions.

Consider, there are many false gods, fallen angels and beings, entities, beast etc. a significant number of which are perfectly capable of giving messages to us if we enter their vibration. We will tune into their 'radio station'. This is not a slight on us in any way if we do take a message from a lower being claiming to be a higher one. It is indeed a divine talent to be able to tune the radio receiver, the brain, to stations other than 3d. Anyone who receives messages from other than 3d, will always at some point or another, take false messages. We see through a glass darkly here, and we're not able to maintain a perfect connection to the infinite 24/7 unless operating at a fully enlightened, Christ conscious level.

It's a matter though, of putting in the work to purify our own consciousness so we will tune into the highest frequencies. The more we are in the vibration of fear, ego, or any other illusions, the more we're going to be open to tuning into the wrong station and receiving false messages.

Consider the real 'God' does not require worship or human beliefs.Does the consciousness behind the entire virtually infinite universe require the worship from humans on a planet smaller than the size of a speck of dust when compared to the whole?

Consider false God's and fallen beings do receive energy from humans when they worship it, when they give their power to a false God outside of them rather than connecting to the father within, the infinite within. Consider messages that say those who don't worship me or believe what I say will be punished, are not from the source, rather from a being that receives energy from human's own attention being placed on them. And consider, even a true message from a higher vibration can be colored by whatever beliefs and illusions the messenger holds.

Consider, what the infinite does desire, is for us to demonstrate our love by loving and raising up all life, because life itself is an expression of the infinite. Consider the infinite also desires us to recognize that the 'Father' is within us, rather than outside of us and to let the consciousness within be the doer.

To love the infinite behind the illusion often involves challenging the illusion to help wake up the divine consciousness behind it. Sometimes love is tough love as Jesus demonstrated when he confronted the scribes and the pharisees, the religious fundamentalist of his day. He challenged their teachings of the angry God in the sky and their rule based religion. Consider he did so to help free the people from the bondage of fearing the angry false god in the sky and instead connecting to the loving 'father' consciousness within themselves.

Consider Jesus message is about shining our own God given light here in the matter realm so life can be raised up and remember it's inner divinity. The infinite multiplies our talents when we do so.

Consider, it's not about what church we go to, what religion we were born into, what beliefs we have. Consider it is first and foremost about the purity of our heart and intentions.

Consider it is the dark forces of this world that wish to make us feel powerless and give up our power to something outside of us. This is the illusion that must be overcome in order to follow in Jesus footsteps as he continually asked us to do.

Many are called, few choose. To choose, you must choose to enter the kingdom of heaven that is already here at hand, inside of you, and you will do so when you know the the truth that will set you free, 'I and my father are One'. Of course, this involves grace, but it is about putting forth our best efforts, walking the path and watching the infinite multiply our efforts.

Then the caterpillar will be reborn as the butterfly, you will do the works that Jesus did, only greater works than these you will do. The world will be raised up through the LOVE of the infinite, and as Paul said, we're here to be the body of God below and God is Love.

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I will refer to the part about the negative entities feeding of the energy of people worshipping the "false God", who wants people to fear HIM (of course he is masculine here).
It has come to the point that it makes me sick when I hear all those church-goers singing submissive songs begging God for mercy and the priests teaching how unworthy we are and the more we suffer here the bigger our reward in heaven will be....

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Yes its all about the purity of our heart and intentions in a world gone wrong
Its not easy to stay clean in muddy waters and some dirt might stick

Sounds simple to be sweet among the bitterness
But if put to the test will we persevere or for a prize give up our high ideals

That might depend on our nature and what we believe in
Who Which or What is your Authority

The Almighty Creator would naturally come to mind
Surly there must be a Creator and how would we know Him if not for Jesus

Do you really think the world would be a better place if Jesus did not come

You are smart people You know the wars are not because of religion

Religion and ideology are scapegoats to cause war chaos and destruction

Why Because Satan wants it
He lost the war in Heaven and took it to Earth

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War in Heaven? A war in which there was a loser? (Satan)

Does not compute.

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It may compute if some negative acting entity was used to test the spiritual evolution of souls, and some fell, 10% did not, and the rest went fishing for the day.

Then in a way to help those souls evolve this 3d realm was created and it's been a proving ground. Would you want robots who professed love or souls who honestly understood unconditional love no matter the situation?

Just an idea.

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From time memorial to present
War is the order of the world

Surly a grand deception cloaks our good hearts


Luke 10:17-19

And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name

And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven

Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you

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Perhaps I am deluding myself, but I read/understand "War" in this context as the dynamics arising out of polarity. Fear based controllers love us to read it as the clash of iron, or the explosions of munitions.

This can be both an individual inner struggle, the struggle of a person against the situations that they find themselves in; or by organization amongst larger and larger groups a group struggle, or even national/international struggle - "war"/polarity at many and all levels.

Polarity. That's the game we are playing. That is the game that we signed up for and which will see us evolve at a hugely accelerated rate. How we play the game and whether or not we allow others to set the rules for us, or we rebel and set our own rules, that is what provides the many nuances of the game.

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War is about consolidating power and being able to control people. Convince them that X is the problem and enemy. Make money death and destruction, take over industry and never never let the common man think. Of course many of us like to be told what is what, and be led. I think that is changing. We are becoming a self responsible being.

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War is madness.

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How fortunate we are to live in a time and place where we dont have to participate in war still some in our time are not so fortunate

Why is human history wars and rumors of wars when we are basically good people

Whats wrong with us
Is it the others Our leaders and men in power
Well whats wrong with them

Are TPTB acting on their own accord
Or do they serve some Power that dont have our best interests at heart

If so what is that Power and how can we best refute it

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Nice one Anchor, and exactly right I believe.

Polarity IS what we are here to work out, and war has to be about the ultimate expression of it. How will WE deal with war. Are there any wars on earth that have nothing to do with us personally? Nope.

We have to step up and tell the nasty, greedy, belligerent little miscreants that enough is enough, and go to their rooms until they can behave.

They'd be unable to manifest war of any kind if they didn't have our acquiescence. War is our unresolved issue. Not some battle of the titans.

I know of someone who speaks daily with the Archangels, and ascended masters. Archangel Michael explained to him that this whole notion of Satan or Lucifer being a fallen angel, or having gotten on God's bad side and cast out, is purely a human notion and explanation for what it represents. The story is simply a metaphor and points to what you describe above.

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All too often people rely on dubious 2nd hand information to construct concepts of resonating reality
We pick what we like and maybe put a pinch of unpleasantry in it just for good measure
We paint ourselves into a rosy pink corner of reality and loose touch with the rest of the mansion

In a world incapable to lie and deceit that could be okay but we know it isnt so

It would serve us better to be sound skeptics to all and everything people wants us to believe and not run with it and spread it like matter of facts

Our fallacy is that we take hearsay for truth with little or no investigation of the validity of it

Better to believe nothing and research for yourself than to proclaim fiction as facts

long forseen rediscovery of site under Giza pyramid
 

Cave Complex Allegedly Found Under Giza Pyramids
Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News



Caves at Giza | Discovery News Video

Aug. 13, 2009 -- An enormous system of caves, chambers and tunnels lies hidden beneath the Pyramids of Giza, according to a British explorer who claims to have found the lost underworld of the pharaohs.

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/0...aves-giza.html

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Or we could gobble up the biblical fictions created by Humans to serve their own purposes of controlling the dupable.

It's resonance. How do you feel when you interact. When I read your posts, I see what makes you afraid. I see your duty to wake us up to what you believe. I see where you vibrate at. Why be skeptical when you can see? And what I can't see for myself, I find someone who's vibration resonates with mine, and then look through their eyes.

I'm not interested in debating bible with you, any more than I'd care to debate the value of money with a banker.

No sale.

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Im not so sure the Bible is a work of fantasy fiction but im sure the institutions standing on it have misused it for control and oppression

Its not sound reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater just because the waters stink

I do believe in a Creative Creator and that the universe and we in it are created and that there are realms we not so easily perceive
It seems only natural that the Creator to some degree would interfere with His Creation

I believe the Creator is Consciousness and Creation is a portion of Consciousness vortexing into varying degree of density

If so we can raise and lower our awareness to the peaks of the Creator and to the depths of whatever we choose to entertain ourselves with

Now this ascending and descending is completely personal and is a matter of confidence between the Creator and oneself


So its beyond my duty and none of my business to wake anybody up

Im just throwing leaves in the wind : )


Oh and here you creep me out lol

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Well. All paths lead back to God. It's nice that there is free choice. Religions are cool. Churches not so much, most of the time.

I don't personally know how much of Jesus' original work has survived the rewrites. But it doesn't matter, because that's not my path.

The same guy who talks with Archangel Michael, also talks to Jesus, and he sounds like an amazing being of unconditional love. Can't wait to meet him.

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Look as long as we dont take part to make this world worse
We are doing pretty good

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The following thread is probably one which most of you have seen...but just in case...here it is: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...orthodoxymoron It is clearly heresy. I'm still waiting for some type of point by point critique of this point of view. I don't really care if I'm right or wrong. I just want to discuss the subject.

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What if 'War in Heaven' was only one battle in an endless (and beginningless?) conflict between the human and reptilian races? Who committed the original sin? There may be other races...but what if the humans and reptilians are the real SOB's of the universe? What if both races share equal guilt for the madness? Have we alternately ruled over each other as gods? Are the reptilians presently ruling over us as 'God'? Is this an endless loop...or will reason eventually emerge...and bring peace to the universe? Just wondering.

Originally Posted by Myplanet2
The same guy who talks with Archangel Michael, also talks to Jesus, and he sounds like an amazing being of unconditional love. Can't wait to meet him.

My response: I'd be very wary. Don't worship this guy...send him money...or give him your spouse.

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I know you'd be very wary, ODM.

What you've been trying to puzzle out, can't be puzzled out from within the polarity. The earth looks much different from space than it does from on the ground. Lots that you are wondering about while on the ground is easily seen from space.

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I agree. This is one reason why I am currently conceptualizing the United States of the Solar System...based upon the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in an uncorrupted form...which is adapted to deal with hundreds of states throughout the Solar System. This is my alternative to an Alien Luciferian Theocracy.

Edgar Mitchel was so inspired by the view of Earth from space that he founded the Center for Noetic Sciences. I think I got that right.

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Well, it might seem an interesting game, and who's to judge one game from another, but I've got to tell you, it doesn't go anywhere. The game of polarity is coming to an ignominious end, and very soon.

Just look at the concepts you propose over and over again. "United States" "Us constitution" "Bill of rights" "alternative to alien luciferian theocracy". Look at the state of your United States. Look at the state of your constitution. Look at the state of your bill of rights?

You'd wish that on the whole solar system? You would deport anything with scales and a tail?

United States: That's an oxymoron. states are individuated by nature. United individuated groups?

Us Constitution and Bill of Rights: These are intended to assign rights and obligations to the governors and governed alike. Where but in a system designed to maintain polarity is something like that needed?

Why take one failure after another and try to turn it's microcosmic failures into universal ones.

The whole game exists within and is designed to maintain polarity, which is soon ending.

More and more people everyday are waking up to this fact. Those who have an agenda in support of continuing polarity, or a vested interest in it, are perhaps a little slow to see the shift now well underway, but it's only a matter of time.

I don't even want to know what you refer to as Alien Luciferian Theocracy. All I need to know about it is that it points to some runaway construct in somebodies monkey mind.

Best resource I've seen to quell that barking little chimp is in Kerry Cassidy's written interview with James of Wingmakers, on the Camelot site.

Have fun. (And look up once in a while.)

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How about this orthodoxymoron

Let each continue to follow the desires of his heart and the dictates of his mind

And if we as a society feel the need for some regulations
Lets keep it basic simple and to the minimum so as not to constrain or confuse too much

The Ten Commandments comes to mind

Perhaps we can come to agree and scratch some of these old liners
Particularly the archaic and out of date ones like the 1st line lol
" I am the Lord your God "
I mean come on Our scientists have pretty much proved His nonexistence
It seems we are left with ourselves For sure we dont hear much about God nowadays Maybe He gave up on us and left somewhere Created a new heaven and earth Or just like died I mean we die right Yes lets keep it natural

Come think of it if we scratch the 1st Command we might as well toss out number 2 to 4 because they are all interrelated and therefore obsolete

Lets see we are then left with number 5 " Honor your father and mother "
We can keep it but question is do we really need it It is kinda superfluous

Then reads the last part of what was formerly known as the Ten Commandments - no murdering lying slandering steeling coveting

In case we decide to keep these last 5 lines
We really have to introduce them to the people babystep by babystep teaspoon by teaspoon
Because these are explosives and so contrary to everyday life in society
I tell you rush this and we have a revolution on our hands

Hmmm You know what Lets forget it

Peace and harmony will have to come from the heart
So let each continue to follow the desires of his heart and the dictates of his mind
And we will not be accused for imposing liability upon ourselves

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I see all of this as a final contest between Constitutional Responsible Freedom and an Alien Luciferian Theocracy. I see both intelligent design and evolution...on Earth and throughout the universe. I see malevolent aliens and humans playing god here on Earth. Did they come up with the line 'Thou shalt have no other gods before ME'? Did Jesus say anything like that? Lucifer was the one who wanted to be worshipped. Do Christians observe the 4th commandment? Do they keep the 7th day Saturday Sabbath holy from sundown to sundown? Why not? Because the Pope said so. Did Jesus tell us to go to church...and give our money to the church?

I see the Pope as being the Vicar of Lucifer rather than the Vicar of Christ. Believe it or not...I like the Pope...but I think that he has to do what he's told...or else. Look what happened to Pope John Paul I. This could help to explain the horrors of the Inquisition. The subject of the following video is the Inquisition. The same god who ordered the Inquistion is and will be the God of the New World Order. Is this what you want? Believe it or not...I am not anti-Catholic. I am anti malevolent alien and malevolent human. I am especially anti Lucifer...the God of This World. But having said that...I simply want Lucifer and his or her hard core followers to leave this solar system...and learn to play fair and nice...before they are allowed to return. Some would say that I am way too soft and easy. They might be right...but violence as a solution must end. Peace...be still.

A solar system exorcism would remove both demonic aliens and demonic humans. Equal opportunity. Just put all the mothers on a mothership...and say bye bye...

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Nah Jesus did not boast about being God

He might have hint a line here and there but He was not above washing the Disciples feet before the feast of the passover

His life was His Message and It was Good and Gentle

God came to fulfill what was written in the Old Testament and to provide a Name and a Form and a Gospel to Man

For the Creator loves His Creation and is not above to come and set a noble example of Sanctity

Golgotha is the Crucifixion of God

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I just want everyone to be happy. This includes all races...including the reptilian race. I want the Pope to be happy. I want Lucifer to be happy. I simply think that we need some retirement parties and extended vacations. It's hard work to try and play god. I think that it's an impossible task. I'm just sick of the atrocities, wars, and enslavements which have occurred throughout history...right up to the present. I just want the BS to stop.

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I can imagine God is disappointed and disgusted about it as well

In the good ole days He incinerated cities so as the degenerates should not spread like wildfire upon other communities


As Jesus He says Look I will Crucify Myself and shed My own Blood for All


If you love Me you will keep My Commandments for the Sake of you

For I am with you within you without you and I love you

I hope to Harvest in Fields of Gold

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The Old Testament God, the God of the Book of Revelation, and Lucifer...the God of This World...are violent Gods. Is this a Satanic Trinity? Are they the Gods of the New World Order? Is the New World Order really One Nation Under Satan? Are a lot of humans, reptilians, and greys...too fearful to do the right thing?

Over the past 2,000 years...how many have truly followed the Teachings of Jesus...in principle and concept? As far as I can tell...not very many. Certainly not the Old Testament God, the God of the Book of Revelation, and Lucifer...the God of This World. Are they the same being? If so...where is this being presently? We need to carefully investigate this subject. I think that it is central to everything. Bill Cooper recognized this...but couldn't get to the bottom of this bottomless pit.

I have decided to follow Jesus. Though none go with me...still I will follow. No turning back.

I know this sort of talk makes you angry...Lucifer...but the beings in this solar system need to face reality...and do the right and responsible thing. Lucifer...you need to be encouraged to retire. Sort of like when the Republican leadership told Richard Nixon that it was time to go. You can advise the responsibly free beings of the solar system...but stop playing the part of God. Snap out of it. Once you retire...you'll undoubtedly be a helluva guy or gal. I still want to take music lessons from you...and argue about theology. I'm very serious. Unfortunately...Orion and Draco may be very rigid and militant regarding a reponsibly free solar system. They probably consider Earth to be a Planet in Rebellion...which needs to be brought to it's knees...with a New World Order of masters(them) and slaves(us). They undoubtedly want to get rid of Mr. In Between. Am I right...Lucifer?

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Consider consciousness is beyond species and race. I would say it's less about human vs. reptilians and more about how much each one of us has fallen into the illusion of separation.

I would go as far to say that different species are much more prone to have beings embody in them that are at specific levels of consciousness and illusions of separation.

Meaning, yes, it is definitely worth considering that generally speaking reptilians have beings embody in their species that are very trapped in the illusion of separation and the illusions of darkness. But at the highest level, it is a spiritual, rather than physical issue that we are all facing.

The more we believe we are separate from the source, the more we believe we are separate from each other, and the more we are likely to be willing to sell out others to gain more personal energy and power.

It's also worth considering that the infinite is far beyond fallen beings, there's no 'opposite' to God in terms of power, however, there are many fallen beings at high levels who have become the opposite of certain God qualities and feed off of the children of God accepting these same qualities into their own energy fields.

For example, one of God's qualities is "Truth" and the demon "Maya" has embodied the flame of anti-truth. When we accept the illusion of the anti-flame of truth, we feed the demon / consciousness Maya. Lucifer is a fallen being, as is Satan, but they are one of many, not an opposite to God. Even with the traditional story (which we may wish to consider is ridiculously basic), Lucifer is an Angel, not like it's God. There is no opposite to God, only beings that have taken on opposites to various flames of God. There is no one being at the top of the ladder of the dark ones, but there are various illusion matrix's and very high fallen beings who have their own hierarchy's under them and may at times collude in their efforts.

Creation is set up though that there will always be competition in duality. Not one giant bad being, various competing ones is more like it.

And when you affirm your Oneness with your source, with the infinite, you become More than all of them.

If we truly wish to follow Jesus, then we must follow him all the way and be reborn, as Jesus demonstrated into the Christ consciousness and Be the Living Christ as Jesus was the Living Christ. The second coming of Christ happens in you.

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What is the origin of of the concept of 'illusions of separation' and 'duality'? Whatever happened to sin? Is it a sin to commit genocide? Is it OK for God to commit genocide...and even kill women and children...or to order them to be killed?

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Consider,

The primary law of creation is free will.

Sin is simply an act of free will that takes away from the whole rather than adds to it.

Sin is completed out of ignorance, we are under the illusion it is in our best interest to complete the act, when in reality it will make us less.

Consider, there are virtually infinite numbers of beings at various levels in the schoolroom of the universe and beyond.

Consider, as creation moves forwards, various ingredients are added to creation to help it become More.

Consider, the ingredient of duality, of power in the darkness was added at some point during creation. Before this, it was not possible, or at least had never happened, that a being could choose to associate with the darkness rather than the light.

The darkness is an illusion and it is the purpose of co-creators within creation to continually shine light on the darkness until all is light and raised up. The co-creators within the creation graduate from the illusion as the universe is raised up, maintain their "I" but move beyond the illusions of lack and limitation and gain permanence in the mind of God.

However, with the added ingredient, it became possible for co-creators, even highly evolved ones, to choose to associate with the opposite of God flames - anger, hate, pride, jealousy, ignorance, fear etc. to actually ASSOCIATE themselves with the darkness. The darkness was always a part of the material realm, we are not created all knowing, and as we grow, we shine the light on it. However, it was not earlier possible to actually associate with the darkness.. this was the added ingredient that eventually led to the fall of many beings.

A significant number of beings, including high up beings, did fall and associate with these qualities, with hate, jealousy, pride etc...

They are then cut off from receiving energy from the source, and must steal it from those who still receive it in order to continue to survive in the creation process.

However, the majority of Beings did not fall, and remain beyond the illusions of duality in the higher realms.

We have been sent into one of the densest levels of creation to affirm our Oneness with the source and help raise this pocket back up to the reality that all life is interconnected and where the darkness is an illusion.

In answer to some of the questions posed above (from one co-creator to another):

No it's not ok for "God" to commit genocide and consider that "God" does not break the rules of creation that it sets up. The Creator itself does not embody here and make changes because it respects the free will of creation. There is a very very very long hierarchy between those who do embody here and the creator itSelf. We are all individualization's of the source.

It is individualization's within creation (you and me) that are responsible for their own planets and protecting and raising them back up. We are the body of God as Paul says in the new testament. Due to the laws of free will, the purpose of creation (to birth sons and daughters of God), the creator does not directly interfere in creation. HOWEVER, consider there is a team of Ascended Beings, Jesus being one of them, that directly work with the people of planet earth to help them raise up their planet.

Consider that the God of the old testament is a) not one God but many different beings which is why there are so many names b) Jehovah was a false God that requires worship and is the angry God in the sky that Jesus denounced when he was embodied and is part of the reason they put him to death and c) God is Love not some angry God that ask the Jewish people to go around and kill all of the Gentiles.

The I AM that I AM, as the burning bush gave it's name to Moses, and the Elohim are indeed individualization's of the infinite, however, many of the God's in the old testament are false Gods and beast that feed off the people's energy from worshiping them, blood sacrifice (as the Jewish elite of the day, the Scribes and the Pharisees, did continuously to their war "God" Jehovah), fear, war, etc...

Lots of info for consideration above, hopefully some of it is of interest ! ...

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I want to know , not worship,
Peace
SWIFT

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Suggested Reading: Elaine Pagels, "The Origin of Satan"

Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

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Thanks a lot Wormhole!(that almost sounds obscene!) Elaine Pagels has done work in connection with the Jesus Seminar and is a Princeton scholar...if I remember correctly. 'The History of God' by Karen Armstrong would probably be a good companion to the one by Pagels on Satan.

Some of the language I am hearing 14 almost sounds like Christian Science...where nothing is real. I tend to gravitate toward more down to earth terminology and concepts. Simple common sense works for me. Unfortunately...common sense is uncommon.

I don't want to worship anyone or anything. I don't want to believe. I want to know. I'm leaning toward Humanistic Spirituality...but not in the arrogant 'I Am God' sense. Just simply that there is a divinity within all of humanity. The Holy Spirit...if you will. Unfortunately...there is a dark side within all of humanity as well. The internal battle can be quite intense at times. So...when the atheist claims that prayer is simply talking to yourself...they are probably correct...but not in the way they intend! Also...there can be intervention and help by benevolent human souls between incarnations. Sadly...there are also demonic spirits who raise hell with humanity. Just my current views. I could be wrong.

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Where did Jesus denounce Jehovah


I find it strange that God would denounce Himself

Why dont you call the good doc a butcher and a sadist because he removes tumors with a knife

God has witheld His just violence against the world since He came as Jesus
Instead of destroying the good gone bad He let Himself be strung up and destroyed

But only the body is removed for Greater Good for God does not destroy souls

Since He came as Jesus God has allowed the good gone bad to scheme and destroy but also Provided the good still good with a Vision and Refuge in His Name

If God did not witheld His just violence Our world would be a better place
Now the bad apples are not removed and will try to spoil the good ones too

When God is removed from our hearts and society
And God says I will not interfere
We have our World as it is today


God does His Harvest at the End of an Age

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Why is Lucifer or Satan so conspicuously missing in the Old Testament? Does Jesus glowingly endorse the Old Testament teachings, rituals, and violence? Does Acts through Revelation glowingly endorse the Teachings of Jesus? The Christian Church(most or all denominations) conflicts with the Teachings of Jesus. Are the Teachings of Jesus the highest authority in the Christian Church? Is not the goal of the Christian Church to establish a Global Theocracy? A Theocracy cannot coexist with Constitutional Responsible Freedom. They are at war with each other. One must ultimately prevail. Many have chosen...and will continue to choose...to worship power...whether that power is ethical or not. They want to be on the winning side...even if that side is dead wrong. Why has the Christian Church generally supported George Bush, the Neoconservatives, and the Iraq Crusade? Will the Christian Church support the New World Order...including any and all extermination and enslavement? Is it presently taking the lead in denouncing and opposing the New World Order?

This is not just another atheist or agnostic rant or harangue. I support the highest levels of psychology, ethics, and spirituality. I support legitimate law and order in society. I support the gradual refinement of humanity through non coercive and non violent means. I believe that death is not the end of life. I am, however, opposed to blood rituals of veneration and worship, atrocities, murder, war, terrorism, genocide, enslavement, etc...even(and especially) if they are done in God's name.

Once Constitutional Responsible Freedom is firmly established...I'll probably start going to church again. I love the fellowship, art, and music...but there are fundamental problems regarding philosophy and theology which are more of a detriment than a benefit to society. I understand...in part...how this has occurred...and I don't blame anyone. The history of the world(not just the history of religion) is a mess. It's high time that we cleaned up this mess...before it destroys us. Completely exposing Lucifer or Satan would be an excellent place to begin. Sorry Lucifer. Nothing personal. Really. It's your job which I want to eliminate...not you. The God-Job is the problem. It's all about principles and concepts...implications and ramifications.

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I would re-read Ezekiel to start with ODM.

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Personally, I think the problem is that we are playing the game of polarity, of duality.

When we move beyond it, when we stop reacting to the game, that's how we 'win' the game.

As long as it's us vs. them... we're loosing the game..

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I will re-read Ezekiel as soon as I finish 'The Complete Gospels' from Polebridge Press containing 20 Gospels...and after I read the Book of Enoch(where the bad-guys leave Earth instead of the good-guys).

Ezekiel saw a wheel...away up there in the middle of the air. A wheel in a wheel. What have I said which suggests that I need to re-read Ezekiel? It sounds like you have other reading materials in mind as well.

I actually want to re-read the entire Bible...including the Apocyrpha. I just have a difficult time getting through Leviticus and Numbers.