Originally Posted by Rebel4Life (Post 42685)

I don't really trust this deagle fellow...and didn't he kill someone with some medications prescribed to them?

Originally Posted by Rocky_Shorz (Post 42623)

I just heard about an earthquake in China and looked it up...

Magnitude 6.4 - EASTERN XIZANG
Monday, October 06, 2008 at 01:30:45 AM (PDT)

Originally Posted by Vera Lokteff (Post 40970)

Promise & Good News in Times of Confusion.

There "seem" to be some conflicting reports of future vision, which have been published on the Camelot site - the debate of what is said on Camelot has spread to other large sites on the internet. I would like to offer a positive perspective about what "appears" to be conflicting future visuals, impressions, etc.

My purpose is to encourage those who may be having doubts about any of the current issues at hand.
If you don't have time to read this entire post - please go to the end of this post and read the part which starts with ***.


There are currently - on the planet - common prophecies, future event dreams and visions which are being received by thousands of people. These prophecies, dreams, visions, and insights are occurring in both religious and secular segments of the population. They occur in the midst of those who have been long time "believers" in such things, and they occur in the midst of people who have never as much as "given thought" to such things. These visuals of the future are often completely spontaneous and do not occur during times of meditation or prayer or readings.

When the "cumulative" information - which has been delivered over the last decade - is put together a Long Range Big Picture becomes clear. There is simply no going around it.

Besides the precognition and prophetic insights of these thousands of people - as regards events known publicly and which have already occurred such as the space shuttle, tsunami, twin towers, earthquakes, etc. -- thousands of these same people are also receiving a foretelling that there will be a build up of tension and fear, terrible staged economic failures both in the USA and globally, frightening hardship for the USA and elsewhere, instigated racial uprisings in various parts of the world in which people have seen parts of cities burning an/or closed off, as well as being shown that large populations of people will "groan" in sorrow and agony. In addition, the information indicates famines, fuel shortages, regress of western standard of living, earthquakes where there were no earthquakes anticipated, terrible earthquakes in regions where earthquakes were expected, and upheaval of underwater mountain ranges and plates which will cause inland flooding and extreme changes in land masses.

Looks like a bad picture. BUT -- simultaneously other messages are being delivered and received by these same people as well as thousands of other people - that despite these events which will occur - there will also be a period after some of these events -- of peace within the USA, an improved economy, a period of stability, and a time when jobs will return to the USA and the economy will be strong.

One would ask "How can both of these be accurate? Someone must be off!" "Someone is Deceived."
The answer is actually pretty clear and simple. They are both accurate.

It is like this - when you look at a Very Large Painting - and you look at it
"really close up" you only get to see or focus in on one part of that painting. In that moment of focus you see and experience what is right before you.

This same picture (information) when viewed through the prism of the
Bigger Picture - stepping away from the near site of the canvas - allows us to see that the art work or picture is actually made up of many smaller pictures within that big picture. It is not unlike a monthly calendar put up on a wall where you see only January or February - a few months at a time - and later when you step further away you see that an entire Year - and you see beyond the cold of January and February - you see the full spectrum of spring, summer and beauty of fall.

When all the small vignettes and portions of that picture are viewed together - we see suddenly a very clear and definite whole of the painting.

Often the painting was not at all in its whole what we thought it was in its partial view.

The picture itself - Is Not Dependant on - "who" you are. Nor is it dependant on "what" you believe beforehand. It is about The Picture. It is also about the "portion" of the canvass you were intentionally shown at that moment - for a specific Purpose - Specific To You.

In stepping away even further from the canvas we get to see that what appeared to be a large canvas, was really in itself also a smaller part of even a larger whole. We begin to understand that though the smaller picture was painful - and not happy or comfortable - it actually leads to a positive end in the canvass which is even larger.

I realize that people reading this may well say, "How can massive death be a good thing?" "How can orchestrated financial ruin be a good thing?" "How can instigated racial uprising be good?" "How can earthquakes and volcanoes going off be good?"

Step away from the small picture and you will see it.
These events - just like many events on this planet in prior years, and in prior cycles of times - happened for a reason.

As I write this, there are people who are in the process of coming to terms with the reality of truth given them to speak. Some of these people sit on the sidelines waiting for specific global events to take place before they can speak clearly and concisely a real message of hope and understanding of the events currently at play. They will speak with the point of delivering spiritual truths to help all of us -- so that we may clearly choose whether we want to go the distance spiritually speaking -- or not. There are people waiting for events to occur so that -- we -- can be Ready to hear and be ready to come to a banquet table where those who are starved can come and fill themselves with real food -- if they so Choose.

There is currently a global war going on - whether or not you know it or see it is irrelevant. The war is real and is no different than a gang turf war. The casualty of this turf war -- for a season -- will be the masses and their families, and their finances, and their real estate, and their assets. These are of little consequence to those who play this game and are at war with one another. We would be naive to believe that those who state they will bring "order out of chaos" would not destroy our property. They don't care what happens on the other guy's turf. It does not fit the pattern of their history, but mostly it is naive to believe that "real estate" is more important to them than the Real End Game Goal.

Their end game goal is about something much deeper than something that you can see with your naked eye. Their end game goal is about much more than you can touch with your physical hand.

And so you ask - why aren't people who might speak and bring clarity on the matter not speaking now when it seems that crisis is at the door?

And why does it appear that Dr. Deagle's accurate vision may "seem" wrong?

Why do David and others believe there is another track?

It is clear and simple really. I'm going to give you a few short reasons.


1. Individuals, like Dr. Deagle, who have genuine and authentic concern for people - people they don't even know personally - when seeing what is to come in the future and receive visions and information regarding the future -- also get to "feel" what you who will be effected by these events - Will Feel. They have compassion and sorrow for those they see effected by what is to come. They are touched to the core by the emotion and sorrow of the future, and are shaken in behalf of those, who will experience these events.

Consequently, these people want to warn those who will be affected. It is their job to warn you. They may not have all the words, may not have access to the entire big picture in that moment, but they feel the urgency and need - for you - to know.

Additionally - and sometimes simultaneously - they receive fragments of many other events occurring around the core of original events shown. Sometimes along with seeing what "will be" they also are privy to the "plots that are in play" or soon will "be in play" by those who are at war with one another.

It is sometimes easy to confuse the "time" of the manifestation of the specific events because the "plots in play" concerning these events are real as well.

Additionally, there are events which have been delayed from their "premature manifestation" because prophets spoke out about them in advance, and warned the people about the plots in play.

These people want to warn you out of their compassion for you.
They want to prepare people to be ready - so they are not caught completely unaware.
In their deepest recesses they are thinking, "People will die! There is no getting around this! I will warn everyone and those who need to hear will hear and be spared."
They have hope - that some help may be offered to even a "few" of you - by this information.

And this is "why" some people suddenly get an urge to move, to relocate, and to quit their job.
It is why others suddenly feel the need to get "Mormon like with the pantry" and stock up on food.

Those who need to hear "these specific warnings" will hear them -- and when that specific time event is to take place - these who "heard" will have taken heed and fulfilled their lives in the path that they were to take.

It may be something as simple as hearing that there will be a fuel shortage months ago - and stocking up on some gasoline in the garage - because it "was right for you" - only later to experience the temporary fuel shortages in the south. It may be what seems like a baby step for you. However, it may also be a Large Life Changing - heeding of a warning.

Some people are here to warn us.
We cannot preclude them from doing their job and fulfilling their purpose.
If you are a person who needs to hear the warning - these words by Dr. Deagle will "speak" to your spirit and to your soul."

If they are not for you -- they Will Not resonate within you.

It is not a debate about whether these events will occur or not.
The big picture clearly indicated long ago that these events Will come to fruition - in their time - no differently than a baby is born in its specific manifested time.
Child labor may be delayed - but it cannot be stopped indefinitely.



2. It is a sad fact that many people who are all ears and "curious" about spiritual truths, don't really want to "partake" of these spiritual truths. These people are like teenagers in high school who want to be "in" on some "cool information".

Reality however is that - this is not how matters of truth and spirit law work.
What is coming requires a stance of "all in". However, today, there are many shoppers and lookers.
There are many who view things stated on this site and globally as a joke.

The masses are currently in a place of chosen disbelief, programming, some are boxed in with religious dogma which distracts from spiritual truth.

If those waiting on the sidelines came forward and spoke in public today about what is Really going on around us, beneath us and above us, and by this I mean much more than just Plaidians, and/or government/ET phenomena/reality which scientists and others speak of publicly -- if they spoke about the bigger big picture - and not just portions of the canvas -- most people today would simply not believe it. They would ridicule and mock truth. Others in panic and ignorance or naiveté would have heart attacks and die.

Difficult times, events, and hardships, which are coming are much like when a nut is first cracked.
It takes force to crack a nut. From first appearance it may seem that it is a devastating event.
But when that nut is cracked - the masses who would not have believed - and who would not have chosen to see - will be forced into a place where they can finally put aside their childish immature toys of Ego, Greed, Envy, Ignorance, and Disbelief and be prepared to "hear and receive the truth" which will help them to understand their own real purpose for being here on the planet in the first place.

We cannot and will not come into integration with our Real Endowments until truth and the fullness of truth - which we need to know and absorb -- and must come on an individual basis - is allowed to be freely spoken. Today if someone stood before you and really told you what has been going on, what is coming, and how it will progress - while you are still looking at the tiniest picture possible - the part only having to do with your personal little selfish goals and purposes - you would say, "No Way can This be True."

Truth is not squandered on us - when we can't - or don't have the wherewithal to respect it.

Memory of pre-existent events, knowledge, understanding, integration - Will Occur - from these difficult events of duress and horrors coming. The Real You gets to finally surface out of the confines of your currently -- not all with it -- Mind -- and for some Fractured Soul.



3. There are public voices who speak today for various reasons - these individuals need to have their time. And while not all of them are really about people or helping the masses with ushering in the good things coming - they still are given their "time". Consequently their egos have put them into a sort of unfaithful place which works against the purposes of spiritual truths actually being released at this time. You know it, you feel it. You can't explain the "why" you feel the way you do, but it is why you are drawn to listen to some, and only listen politely to others.

Additionally, there has been little talk and/or recognition of the fact that we are beings with various differing Spirit DNA, yet we are all on the planet together at this time. We don't all originate from the same places. It does not make it a bad thing. It makes it a bit of a different thing. That is why it is a little aggrandized to say that something would not happen without a specific individual knowing about a specific coming event - first.

We are not all privy -- to all of the information -- at all times. This is really a good thing. This serves a purpose. There are various messages that various beings are receiving - because of their specific origins - and the current confusion that we are all to believe that we originate from one place - and that we should all accept as the "only option" of what one group knows to be "their truth" when you may feel that it is not "your truth" -- must be addressed without negativity -- so that the Big Picture can truly be viewed.

It is no different than when many families from various countries in Europe came to the United States of America. It is important to understand this fact - as in understanding the scope and breadth of this - it will help us to work together and come into a greater understanding of how we all fit together in purpose.



4. We just have to speak about things that are - address them - and then move on and leave them behind. This is a biggie so let's not ignore it. There are public voices today who have placed themselves at the head of the "ascension train", and who are actually in competition of all kinds with others who are in their same "field" and are themselves trying to be ahead of the "ascension train".

The truth about all of this is this. Your real teachers will not withhold from you. They will not speak in Spaghetti in ways mysterious to you if you are not on "their level". They will not speak in words which are not understood if you are not in their shoes. Truth is clear. It integrates you with who you are. Real teachers will speak to you clearly, not in shrouded mystery, they will speak to under gird you from beneath you - no differently than one holds a bird in the palm of their hands - and will help give you that boost up into the air so that you can fly on your own. So that you can see on your own. So that you can reintegrate with the fullness of who and what you really are. So that you will finally Know why you came, what you are capable of, and how you can grow Beyond what you were before you came here and went into your current coma. They will not "compete in knowledge and experience" with you or other teachers. They will rejoice in your individual progress. They will not feel threatened. Not everyone is your teacher. Not everyone will feel "akin" to you because of our varying spirit DNA, but this is Not a bad thing.



And so for those who may be feeling sad or confused about all the conflicting statements you have heard in recent days - I would really encourage you to take what applies to you and leave the rest on the table. The rest will come to fruition in its own time. It may also come to fruition outside of your immediate circle of knowledge.

An example of misunderstanding events -- is one very public event which "seemed" to not manifest - but very truly did manifest on the very date it was prophesied and foretold. This is an event that occurred in the 90's. What happened was that churches throughout the United States and elsewhere had received credible prophecy via credible and proven prophets that a huge event was going to take place on June 9th. It was talked about everywhere - this was to be a huge planet changing event. If I remember correctly some respected people gave their own spin on what this event would be. It was spoken of on TV, radio and pulpits.

June 9th came. Nothing massively "seen" happened. Churches and TV speakers were left without explanation of why such an event, with a stated specific date, was spoken of in so many places, by so many people who did not know each other - and yet it seemed that nothing happened on that day.

But it did. In a small village in a country outside of the United States on June 9th, a Huge Event did manifest. It was planet altering. But there were few who actually witnessed it. Again, it was a Huge Spiritual Event which did occur; it was not seen by the masses, nor even by those who prophesied it.
Yet, we have all benefited, and continue to benefit from the events of that day. Unseen to the physical eye it had a huge and significant impact on all of us.



*** October 7th may well be another one of these types of events. A day on which event(s) occur, but which we may not publicly know about in mass - for some time.

One thing we all know - even those who speak publicly of only sunny days ahead - is that absolutely yes there are some bad times coming. Sad times are coming - but there will also be a time of reprieve - and there will also be a time of real solid release of truth which is scheduled for release. These truths will empower us. The release is coming. It is a positive release of truth. I encourage you - do not panic. Know that bad events will happen. Know that we are in the crossfire of a war that has been staged between powers who have controlled the earth for a very long time. These powers are fighting for dominance. The masses, their real estate, property, assets, families, are simply the toys on the board on which they play.

At some point - if not this week - it will happen in another week, month or year - people will die. There is no getting around that. Yet today you have hope, and you have joy - why? Those whom you love those who are important to you - are here today. If you need to make things right with family members, friends, and others - these are things that need to be done now - while you have the opportunity to do so.

The hope is that you do these things now so that you live your day - today and tomorrow - without regret without barriers between you and those you love - so that if you are one who is untouched in days ahead - you may say that all is well within you. And if you are one who will be touched by events in days ahead and the warning Dr. Deagle received is for you or those you love - you will not later sorrow and say, "How I wish I had said how sorry I was." or "How I wish I had made clear my love for him/her." "How I wished I had spent more time loving my child/spouse."

You see it is pointless to worry about the timing of coming events and calamities - as well as the good things to come - when we omit the most important facet of our life - Our Personal Behavior & Personal Responsibility toward those who walk along side of us.

I encourage all of you - if what Dr. Deagle has to say speaks to you - then it is for you - and you will know what to do -- because it is all already within you. He is a trigger for you to open the knowledge you have within you. The timing of these events does not have to be understood publicly. You will understand them within -- and you will act upon them as is appropriate and right -- for you.

If the message and warning was not for you - then you will know it -- and you will go forward and walk with joy in the things that are hand -- for you.

Most importantly let's not get into any debates about whether something is real or true or not because one specific individual did not receive that information. Perhaps it was not for him to receive.
Perhaps his work at hand - is on a completely different route for now.

So let's be encouraged that there is a Power that cares enough about all of us to forewarn, to give foreknowledge and foresight - and let's walk together - in the peace and joy of this knowledge and truth.

VL

Originally Posted by trainedobserver (Post 43911)

Obviously there wasn't a nuclear event anywhere in the world yesterday. I chalk all this up to the fearmongering faux-reality cottage industry.

Obviously Deagle is bogus. David Wilcock is just as unrealiable because he hasn't picked up on the fact that Dan Burisch is a proven phoney.

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/jrod.html
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/burischdirtbag.html

I don't get it. Why is such significance placed on the opinions of these people when it can be clearly demonstrated that what they are saying doesn't line up with reality?

Originally Posted by WineHippie (Post 43927)

trained observer...

if you place no significance on the people who you do not "resonate" to, and move on to the next resource, then the next... mining for the info that DOES spark something in you... weaving it altogether into something that makes sense to YOU... i guess the point is, there is no significance to be placed on someone's opinion, just info that rings true - or not. Peace

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey (Post 43939)

many people in this thread are saying that bill deagle is wrong because there wasn't a nuclear threat yesterday. Sorry but were you guys listening to the same phone call as me? He didn't say a nuclear event would happen on the 7th, he doesnt know when that will happen, but he said that an economic crisis on the 7th will start the ball rolling and lead to this event. I have been watching the economy for the past few days now and it is really going down hill.

Originally Posted by Mike_Jetson (Post 43950)

...
He only said that in his VISION, something financial in Europe would start today and that we may not even see it that day, it may be something in secret which may transpire later and could cause.....I dont need to go on.

I really would like to swear at some people and their ridiculous opinions of Deagles message :) but you know, theres kids here and stuff. Listen to it again and give your heads a shake.

Originally Posted by Average Joe (Post 42036)

No I don't get irony. That is the wifes department.

She is irony my shirts right now.

Originally Posted by trainedobserver (Post 43955)

I have to shake my head at those who would place such significance on the dreams, visions, or hallucinations of anyone including there own. Children are frightened by dreams. Obviously the world is in a crisis (some would argue it has always been in a constant state of crisis), however are we to run to dreams and visions for explainations? We might as well be looking at tea leaves, runes, or the entrails of a cat for insight and guidance!

Originally Posted by trainedobserver (Post 43911)

Obviously there wasn't a nuclear event anywhere in the world yesterday. I chalk all this up to the fearmongering faux-reality cottage industry.

Obviously Deagle is bogus. David Wilcock is just as unrealiable because he hasn't picked up on the fact that Dan Burisch is a proven phoney.

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/jrod.html
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/burischdirtbag.html

I don't get it. Why is such significance placed on the opinions of these people when it can be clearly demonstrated that what they are saying doesn't line up with reality?

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan (Post 44163)

He said [my paraphrase] that the events which would lead up to the major incident would begin on 7 October.

Dan Burisch is exactly who he says he is. Do not believe every debunking piece you read on the net. Kerry and I have seen his bona fides and so has Rob Simone, on stage at the 2008 Laughlin UFO Conference, where he interviewed Dan before a large live audience. I would be interested also to know if you have seen any of our video interviews of Dan.

With very best wishes,

Bill

Originally Posted by Jacqui D (Post 43949)

Exactly spacemonkey;
The information was quite clear that the beginning of something would happen on the 7th oct, not that date that an event would happen.

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan (Post 44163)

Dan Burisch is exactly who he says he is. Do not believe every debunking piece you read on the net. Kerry and I have seen his bona fides and so has Rob Simone, on stage at the 2008 Laughlin UFO Conference, where he interviewed Dan before a large live audience. I would be interested also to know if you have seen any of our video interviews of Dan.

With very best wishes,

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan (Post 44163)

There are many pointers to the possibility that there may be a major incident in the next few weeks, and Bill Deagle’s vision is just one of them. When I have a little more time it might be helpful for all to list all the anomalies, clues, insider references and logical inferences that an 'October surprise' (and possibly an unpleasant one) may be on the cards.

Kerry and I have received a number of e-mails from people reporting similar visions. One of them was from a military serviceman who wrote his message to us while in tears. He had seen exactly the same thing. Kerry had seen something similar, also - a number of weeks ago.re seems to be something happening here. There looks to be a very impactful and vivid event - which may or may not transpire [note the implicit paradox] - and which is capturing many people's attention.

Dan Burisch is exactly who he says he is. Do not believe every debunking piece you read on the net. Kerry and I have seen his bona fides and so has Rob Simone, on stage at the 2008 Laughlin UFO Conference, where he interviewed Dan before a large live audience. I would be interested also to know if you have seen any of our video interviews of Dan.

With very best wishes,

Bill

Originally Posted by clovince (Post 44255)

I agree with Bill on this. It's stupid to believe someone as soon as he says he saw something in a vision or a dream. I totally agree with that. But if many people have had the same vision for approximately the same date, it is interesting to consider it. The fact that Deagle didn't say that the H bomb was gonna blow Los Angeles on precisely the 7th of October is not even subtle in his message, it's pretty clear.

You know, sometimes, skeptics make me laugh, as they believe any junk debunking on the net just as other people will believe any occult belief they'll come across there. One is not better than the other.

I've seen many seriously odd things in my life, and I mean this from a very objective point of view. Enough things to know that reality is not quite what we are trained to think it is. However, I don't pretend knowing what's real and what's phoney, but I do know that many things said to be phoney ain't at all.

And about the world's situation, we've been getting information from many people since a long time. Information about serious economic situations that would soon shake the whole world. And now, we're in October, the month that was somehow foreseen, and there IS an economic collapse. I mean, this is not like predicting that in October, there will be a lot of rain falling.

To me, at least, it's valid enough as a result to make me consider that what these people say might (just might) be true.

See, some skeptics are so skeptical on absolutely everything that I wonder if they really believe they were born from their mother since they don't remember the event themselves... and if they could, they might put the blame on hallucinations.

Originally Posted by Average Joe (Post 44341)

There are no skeptics on here.

There are people who will believe every single thing, and people that step back and think about it....perhaps just requiring a shred of evidence from time to time.

I've made my feelings on Deagle clear, my "inner truth" tells me to steer clear.

Does that make me a skeptic? I don't think it does.

I just don't believe everything that I read and hear.

Originally Posted by Dadrious (Post 43947)

Go back to sleep America, your government is in control.

There is nothing to worry about.

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey (Post 43939)

many people in this thread are saying that bill deagle is wrong because there wasn't a nuclear threat yesterday. Sorry but were you guys listening to the same phone call as me? He didn't say a nuclear event would happen on the 7th, he doesnt know when that will happen, but he said that an economic crisis on the 7th will start the ball rolling and lead to this event. I have been watching the economy for the past few days now and it is really going down hill.

Originally Posted by pineal-pilot-in merkabah (Post 44436)

correct i listened to the saem interview as you my friend.. and yes october 7th was the start oif the implosion for real in the uk economy.. remeber most of our usa counterparts are only lloking inwards at the moment.. uk is toast. the other stuff he said was goijg to come in the next few years,, i dont recall him giving any dates other than economic mayhem on the 7th.. which happend..:yikes:

Originally Posted by clovince (Post 44406)

Sorry Average Joe, but if you ain't a skeptic, I wonder why you feel that my message concerned you ? Why do you feel like the hat fits your head ? If what you say you are doing is in fact what you do, then you are no more a skeptic than I am myself and we share the same point of view.

My message was pointed at the direction of those whose skeptic attitude tends to be like a religious fanatism, believing anything else than what is yet proven. So I don't think you should be concerned by this.
I

Originally Posted by trainedobserver (Post 43955)

I have to shake my head at those who would place such significance on the dreams, visions, or hallucinations of anyone including there own. Children are frightened by dreams. Obviously the world is in a crisis (some would argue it has always been in a constant state of crisis), however are we to run to dreams and visions for explainations? We might as well be looking at tea leaves, runes, or the entrails of a cat for insight and guidance!

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan (Post 44163)

Kerry and I have received a number of e-mails from people reporting similar visions. One of them was from a military serviceman who wrote his message to us while in tears. He had seen exactly the same thing. Kerry had seen something similar, also - a number of weeks ago.

There seems to be something happening here. There looks to be a very impactful and vivid event - which may or may not transpire [note the implicit paradox] - and which is capturing many people's attention.

With very best wishes,

Bill

Originally Posted by trainedobserver (Post 43941)

Truth is truth. Lies are lies. Deagles's dream was just a dream. Dan B. is a proven fraud which requires no great intuitive talent to discover. We shouldn't think with our guts or feelings we should think with our brains.

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan (Post 44163)

(My guess is that you did not read this before making your snap judgement. Please let me know if I am wrong.)

Originally Posted by trainedobserver (Post 44643)

Respectfully, I'm sorry but you are wrong. I have read, watched, and listened to much of what there is to be found (to my knowledge) on Dan B. My opinion of him differs from yours for reasons more than just the UFO Magazine articles or their mention on that website however damning those might be.

Originally Posted by Average Joe (Post 44341)

There are no skeptics on here.

There are people who will believe every single thing, and people that step back and think about it....perhaps just requiring a shred of evidence from time to time.

I've made my feelings on Deagle clear, my "inner truth" tells me to steer clear.

Does that make me a skeptic? I don't think it does.

I just don't believe everything that I read and hear.

Originally Posted by Ampgod (Post 44636)

Show me Dan B. is a fraud.
Ampgod

Originally Posted by Mike_Jetson (Post 44574)

Why spend so much energy attacking someone for being honest about their visions.

Originally Posted by trainedobserver (Post 44697)

Well there is the problem of people yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater.
I'd say the world situation equates to a oversold theater.

The world needs voices of reason and calm right now. We need visions of hope and peace.