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Good Point, JP. I think I remember that moment when Greer wasn't following. when the STS vs STO subject came up., and thought it was a shame too that he didn't understand.
And I think your analysis of the basic cause for the rift is correct. It would be WONDERFUL if they could all sit down and come to an understanding. Because exactly like Jaby, I also felt (quote) “The Kerry and Bill v Greer episode was a real head-banger. Very disturbing. I was like...nooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!!”

Of course, there were more layers to what was going on underneath that. The last vestiges of the 3D patterning is falling away from us slowly, but old stuff like professional competition, tension between the genders, and so on still rises up sometimes and shows it's ugly head. If it hadn't been for the original misunderstanding, beginning with Greer's remark about PC disseminating disinformation, perhaps those old behavior patterns would not have kicked in, BUT there was something there that really needed to be brought out...

At least, that is what I am noticing going on in my own little world—the changes are really being felt, but the old programs are not really gone yet, and people aren't quite sure what to replace them with yet either. The love and lighters may have an advantage in that regard—they've been practicing the new patterning, however superficially—for example, I didn't see David Wilcock losing his poise at any time during the video portions of the conferences I saw last year on the Net. But I think Kerry and Bill were a bit intimidated by Greer's stature in the Disclosure Movement and so they thought they were going to have to gang up to get anything real out of him. With Greer being so beefed up now, they might have felt physically intimidated too! Greer definitely has a lot of protective energy around himself. Lots of soft underbelly exposed there, for all concerned, including the Movement itself...

I think the headbanging episode set the Disclosure Movement quietly reeling for a while, and though the shock waves have been pretty well contained, I still feel there is a fissure that is causing problems and needs attention. And it really has highlighted some very important questions such as: How much of the negative agenda that is still playing out on the planet is the result of negative aliens who are still around (if any), and how much is just the result of human puppets who don't yet realize that their puppetmasters have abandoned the stage? Or that their attempts at continuing to shape the planet's history are evidently slated for failure?

Another question that occurs to me has to do with the Zeta Reticulans. Their agenda for revitalizing their own race using us in the process, etc is surely not purely STO, though I think they have suffered from guilt by association with the Grays somewhat.. The Zetas have been eager to contact us for various reasons, but I have got the impression that they are a bit nervous not only about the negative ET s who are (or were) here (perhaps because they have had some part in the negative agenda themselves in the past or are afraid of the STS themselves) , but are also nervous about the higher dimension positive ET s who are here, and to whom the Zetas partly self-serving agenda must be very transparent. I wonder how aware of the STO ET s the Zetas are, and/or if the Zetas try to ignore them and/or even distract us from those STO presences, and would like us not to know about or pay too much attention to them, lest they loose influence over us. And I wonder how much of the ET contact Dr. Greer has is with the Zetas, and if that might have anything to do with his apparent lack of awareness about many things that are going on and have gone on in the past.

I was reading Dr. Boylan's blogs for awhile and finally stopped because I had such a strong feeling he was being controlled by Zetas and could not see the big picture because of that. Everything he reported was very limited and seemed to come from Zeta sources, and he never seemed to be aware of any other ET presences.

While I don't think that Greer is being controlled like Boylan seems to be, I wonder how much he might be influenced by the Zetas. It seems very odd to me that such a knowledgeable man as he is who has been on the Disclosure scene for so long seems to be unaware in large part of what other whistleblowers and others in the field like Wilcock are saying and doing. I get the feeling that if he would just open himself up more to the Disclosure Community, his work would proceed much more successfully, he would get more assistance, and would have much more of value to offer. That's one reason why I was so looking forward, as I'm sure others were, to that PC interview, and was
so disappointed at how it backfired. It would be great if the Orion Project really got off the ground, but so far, he doesn't seem to be getting much financial support for it.

This may seem off the subject, but it brings to mind something I realized after reading some of Marijah Gimbutas's work about ancient matriarchal cultures that she concluded had been peaceful because the basic goal depicted in their art, characterized in their tools, etc. was the preservation and nurturing of Life and worship of the Mother.. There were no weapons found or depictions of battles or wars, and she concluded that for centuries, there really were no wars in those cultures, though of course, she was ostracized and reviled for that by her colleagues in the mainstream!

Then after reading The Chalice and the Blade by Riane Eisler, I realized that part of the reason that we continue to have wars is that we have been conditioned to believe that it is unavoidably in our human nature to be warlike. This is one very big reason why it is so important that we really know our actual history. While we cannot pretend that we haven't engaged in warfare, we have to acknowledge and understand that though our original (possibly) peaceful nature was evidently tampered with, the connection with Divinity is still within us, in our very DNA, though masked by the negative programming. ( This IS a whole different subject—but from what I've read, it seems to me that the Annunaki DNA cloned into the human race made us more warlike, while the DNA the Pleiadians, Andromedens, Arcturans, etc. also seeded the planet with has ameliorated the negative effect to some extent and is timed to actually correct it in the future, as will the Shift itself.)

Dr. Greer apparently believes that we are no longer under any threat from negative ET s, though he acknowledges that negative programming from centuries of Illuminati rule and ignorance of our brotherhood with the higher dimensions is still endangering us from within. But does he believe that the Illuminati were programmed by negative ET s in the past, or does he just think that humankind is inherently self- destructive but is evolving beyond that now?

There is that basic urge of the human ego to always want to blame another for whatever has gone wrong, and that may be partly why we WANT to believe that STS ET s have been to blame for many of our woes on planet Earth. (Perhaps Greer wants to downplay negative interference because he thinks we have to take responsibility for all we've done.) But the Ra teachings really do make so much believable sense and the stricture for allowing free will, even if it means that entities may interfere with others' free will, seems to be the reality in this Universe, and there certainly seems to be plenty of evidence that ET s have been here and have participated in wars and exploitation of humankind.

(Then there is Alex Collier's theory that the Reptilians actually came from outside our Universe and do not belong here at all, which makes us sort of uber-victims! And one of my favorite channellers, Suzy Ward, says that the negative agenda was not meant to play itself out to the extent that it has, and that we are now experiencing a kind of Divine Intervention via higher dimensional beings to set things right and put us back on course. All of which I find to be very interesting, but very hard to prove, of course.)

But if Greer just thinks that the negative ET s were here but for the most part are no longer here, and are no longer much of a threat, then I think he's on the right track. And I also agree that it is more important now to align with the positive ET s and not focus so much on the negative agenda. But if he is just trying to protect the public from knowing our true history, or hasn't actually studied what others have brought to light about our true history, then I think he is either deceived, naïve and /or short sighted, which is dangerous because the truth HAS to come out as a necessary step towards righting what has gone wrong. Denial and cover up is what we want to STOP!! BUT the focus and the way we do that has to be balanced and done in a positive way.

In any case, I really do hope that there will be some dialog between Greer and PC and a reconciliation, so all could be working more in harmony, reaching more unity, understanding of the issues, and a more integrated approach to Disclosure or whatever it is that we can do to further mutual goals. I definitely agree that Kerry and Bill are sincere and good people and working very hard, and I would like to see their job made easier. Then the Greer "scandal" was a strange development, and I am hoping that that really was disinfo and that Bill will be able to backtrack to his sources of that disinfo and uncover the truth, and help to rectify spreading that rumor. That could be part of a reconciliation between PC and Greer. ( It might also help to bring Kerry and Bill in more agreement, because she has expressed displeasure with Bill criticizing whistleblowers, and Greer is definitely a whistleblower.)

I'm really glad this discussion has continued. I hope someone has some ideas about how to bring it to Bill and Kerry's attention (and possibly Greer's), for the purpose of healing and peace-making.. I'm still new to this forum and not sure how to go about that, but I think it would be good if they know that some of the forum members would like to see this issue resolved and healed. I'm sure we are representative of a much larger group in the community at large, as well.

Things are moving so rapidly now and as one of the other forum members pointed out, it's tempting to just jump ahead to the next big revelation, the latest breaking story, etc, but it would probably be very useful to do some completion and tidying up behind us as we go. Otherwise, there are too many unknowns, too much unresolved conflict, and it feels like the whole structure is in danger of crumbling around us.

On the other hand, the channeled message that I posted on this thread earlier, which advises us not to worry about healing the darkness we see about us, or focus on others' blind spots, but just to tend to our own Light-- makes a lot of sense. Maybe I (we) am/are just processing here for my/our own benefit and can really, finally let go of this now.

But it really has been an interesting discussion! Thanks to all who have participated!
:thumb_yello:

Namaste

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Actually, that's exactly how I feel. I've said what was on my mind and I feel over it now:original:

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To get more closure, I posted the following message on Bill Ryan's thread.
"I would be very grateful if Bill would read the thread "Dr. Steven Greer--Disinfo Agent?"
I am one of many, I think, on this forum who would like to see some healing, resolution, reconciliation and better understanding between Greer and PC. There is also a question as to whether the porno page Greer allegedly published of himself was actually a psyops smear, and since Bill passed along the rumor that it was true, I think it would be a good thing if Bill could check his resources on that, since if that story gets further circulation, it could be potentially damaging to Greer's work, and also to PC for possibly spreading false rumors. A few forum members have indicated direct knowledge that the story was a hoax, and I think that is also worthy of further research.
The disastrous PC/Greer interview is obviously a thing of the past, but it really caused some serious shock waves in the Disclosure Movement, and it would certainly be great for everyone involved if there could be some healing of that fissure.
Who or what was to blame for that unfortunate interview is not the issue, but clarity and the establishment of more good will within the Disclosure Movement, is very important, (particularly for PC and Disclosure Project, Orion Project, and CSETI)
Relevant details are discussed at length in the thread mentioned, and reading it would hopefully help to focus on what could be done to accomplish the desired end.
Thanks and good luck! "

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I agree with you onawah. However, my point was that a persons sexuality should never be a topic for discourse on this forum irrespective of who it is whether the information is accurate or false. I felt Bill crossed a line and he lost some of my respect for crossing that line. I also feel an apology is due as well and that those posts should be deleted as they have nothing to do with the primary intention of Avalon and serve no purpose other then to discredit and smear someone Bill is in conflict with.

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Hi everyone, the questions raised about Dr. Greer are not only because he says there are not negative ETs but only positive ETs. There are other questions about other things too, such as, for instance, his alleged relation with the CIA (according to Alfred Webre, see bellow), or because of the way he is handling the Free Energy matter (I’ll comment further on that in another post).

As an introduction to the Free Energy matter, I recommend seeing these posts:

Post 93, pg. 4. Can we trust Dr. Steven Greer, or not?
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...075#post197075

Post 122, pag. 5.
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...448#post197448

For instance, Dr. Greer said in the Exopolitics Summit in Sitges, Barcelona (july-26-10), that as soon he had a Free Energy device, he would go to the CNN and BBC to tell the whole world about it.

Well, in the above links (Post 93, pg. 4) you’ll see there are already Free Energy devices (Ex: Paul Pantone’s GEET motor, which, more precisely, is a type of “transitional technology” to increase the efficiency of current technologies. “Transitional technologies” were acknowledged by Dr. Greer in his briefing to Obama) which work fine (save gas and cut pollution), which are easy to make and test by everybody (they only use standard non-sophisticated components), and which do not need patents because the inventor himself has released the invention for free (you can see it in YouTube), etc. In other words, they comply with all the necessary requirements for the world to know and to use them right now.

So, why doesn’t Dr. Greer do what he says he would do?

Why doesn’t he go immediately to the CNN and BBC and tell the world about it?

Question to everybody: why don’t you ask Dr. Greer himself (e-mail him)?

This is what Alfred Webre says about Dr. Greer:

Alfred Webre, Barcelona. January-15-2010.
(Note: The original interview is in Spanish. This is a translation)
http://www.lighthousebcn.com/index.php/alfred-webre
http://vimeo.com/9064144

Min. 29:50. Obama’s announcement about declassifying the UFO matter is a play of the intelligence agencies identified with certain very well identified corners of the Exopolitics sector, Michael Salla, Steven Greer, who is closely identified with the CIA. He (Greer) follows the advice [or warnings] of the CIA, and is well surrounded by CIA agents. And that is a non-story to give the public hope so that they think "Obama El Salvador".... etc.

Original in Spanish:

Min. 29:50. Lo del anuncio de que Obama va a desclasificar el tema UFO es una jugada de las agencias de inteligencia de ciertas esquinas muy identificadas del sector de Exopolítica, de Michael Salla, de Steven Greer, que está muy identificado con la CIA. Él (Greer) sigue las advertencias de la CIA, y está muy rodeado de agentes de la CIA. Y eso es una no-noticia para darle aliento al público para que piense “Obama el salvador”.... etc.

So, it would be good to know if Dr. Greer is honest or an infiltrated agent. The elite has a lot of expertise producing infiltrated agents, so it should not surprise us they keep using that trick nowadays. Now then, in the case of Dr. Greer, perhaps he could clarify these questions by himself by agreeing to participate in more public and open debates so that everybody can ask him hard questions. Other persons are participating in open debates (see this forum), so, will he be willing to do the same?

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You're giving the man far too much credit.

Steven Greer is simply a charlatan, and like any of his ilk, its the profit that matters most:

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...28bcb32981.jpg

CSETI MEMBERSHIP LEVELS AND BENEFITS SPECIAL INTERNET RATES!

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Yeah, I am sure that he quit his 250,000 dollar per year job in the medical industry so that he could spend the next 15 years begging people for money. "How dare he ask for donations, he is such a bad person."

Get over it.

I am sure Steven Greer is loosing sleep over those that judge him, LOL.

(Rolls eyes 4x)

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tone3jaguar, have you read the questions I posted in my previous post? Here:

Post 325, pag. 13. Dr. Steven Greer, Disinfo Agent? Details Please!

Questions for Dr. Greer:

So, why doesn’t Dr. Greer do what he says he would do?

Why doesn’t he go immediately to the CNN and BBC and tell the world about it (the Pantone GEET motor)?

tone3jaguar, don’t you think it would be good for Dr. Greer to address those questions?

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The Pantone GEET "motor" is not a free energy device. The add-on system improves the efficiency of combustion by vaporizing the fuel before it is mixed with air, but it does not eliminate the need for fuel. Various forms of water injection have been used with internal combutions engines for various reasons, but the water is not itself serving as a fuel. Perhaps Greer is not telling the world about it because it does not meet the criteria he has in mind.

Geet controversy v. fact

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Jnana, in my previous post (Post 325, pag. 13) I said specifically the following:

The Pantone GEET motor (...) is a type of “transitional technology” to increase the efficiency of current technologies. “Transitional technologies” were acknowledged by Dr. Greer in his briefing to Obama

Let’s see the exact words Dr. Greer uses in his briefing to Obama on page 3:

Summary of Breakthrough Energy Technologies
PREPARED FOR: The President of the United States and Members of the US Congress
PREPARED BY: Steven M. Greer, MD and Theodore C. Loder III, PhD
AERO INC. P.O. Box 265. Crozet, VA 22932
http://www.disclosureproject.org/PDF...nts/Energy.pdf

Pag. 3

1.2 Technology Categories and Background

We have identified a number of advanced technologies to replace the need for oil, gas, coal, and
nuclear power, thus eliminating pollution and the geopolitical instability resulting from the
existing systems.

These technologies fall into three broad categories (examples are listed in Section 4.0):

1. Transitional technologies. These are devices or processes that enable existing
energy sources to be much more efficient, reduce pollution or clean up existing
environmental hazards. For example, add-on devices to retrofit cars and trucks
with a technology that significantly increases fuel economy.

2. Electromagnetic energy devices that are overunity. These include generators,
solid-state devices and magnetic plasma devices that perturb the zero point
energy field (or quantum vacuum flux field) to tap electromagnetic energy and
create usable power, without a net external fuel source or pollution.

3. Advanced propulsion systems that use electromagnetic fields to alter the mass
and space around an object to allow for lift and drive. These “electrogravitic”
systems will enable travel to be pollution free, rapid and without the use of fossil
fuels of any type or use of surface roads.

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This is what Dr. Greer said in the Exopolitics Summit 2009 in Sitges (Barcelona), July-26-2009:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1874942

Dr. Greer says (exerpt):

(Min. 49:49) I think that the critical point here is, is that a lot of people say “let’s let everything out at once”. And I can tell you, I can only do so much. I am not as young as I used to be.

(Min. 50:00) And the other point is, I think we need to walk straight perhaps before we can levitate. I would be happy just to be able to run this building without fossil fuels. Wouldn’t you? Let’s do that as a starting point. That we can do this year and next if we get moving. Absolutely it can be done.

(Min. 50:20) And so, what I am asking you to do is help us identify:

#1. The people in society and in your own circle who would support the new energy research.

#2. If anyone here knows of an inventor or an engineer who actually can do this or has done it that has something ready to be evaluated, and we will cooperate with a very fast moving strategic plan to move it out. They need to get a hold of me, immediately.

(...)

(Min. 54:20) Because this I will promise you, as soon as we find one of these systems, energy systems, that is legitimate, can be independently verified and reproduced. That’s the sine quanon of science, and is ready for prime time, we will come out with it.

(Min. 54:20) And no amount of money, no amount of threats, nothing will detour us from doing that. And if they give me a national security order to stand down, I will go on the CNN and the BBC, and your Spanish network, and I will tear it up in front of one billion people live, and say screw them.

--------------------------------

So, let’s see the following questions and answers:

1) Is the Pantone GEET “transitional technology” included in Dr. Greer’s briefing to Obama?

Answer: Yes, in pag. 3. Section 1.2.1.

2) Is the Pantone GEET motor perfect (I mean the blueprints Paul Pantone released for free on the Internet)?

Answer: No, it can be improved and has already been improved (there are other better versions of it).

3) Does the Pantone GEET motor (the basic version) work fine and save gas and cut pollution?

Answer: For sure. Anybody can build it and test it for himself. I’ve seen it running and it works perfectly well “partially” on water. You can already use it for small electrical generators which do not need to vary their speed (RPM) and it works beautifully.

4) Can anybody build the Pantone GEET motor and test it for himself?

Answer: Yes, because it does not require any especial or sophisticated components, all are standard and cheap components that you can buy at your hardware store. Anybody with normal technical skills could build it in around two days or less. It is reproducible by anybody.

5) Is there any problem with the Patent, legitimacy, etc.?

Answer: No, because his inventor released it for free on the Internet.

6) Is there any problem with his inventor not wanting to release it or being afraid of doing so, or whatever?

Answer: No, because his inventor already released it for free on the Internet. Look:

Paul's Comments About GEET FREE PLANS
Paul Pantone gives for free to the world his plans to build the Pantone motor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXrHLNRmCOk

7) Could the Pantone GEET motor be used as a WORLWIDE PUBLIC "PROOF OF CONCEPT" TO HELP TO RAISE PUBLIC AWARENESS about the reality of these type of technologies (as Dr. Greer seem to want) and therefore help to get the support of the public to do research on them?

Remember Dr. Greer’s sentence:

Dr. Greer says (50:20): “And so, what I am asking you to do is help us identify:

#1. The people in society and in your own circle who would support the new energy research.”

Answer: For sure. Once you touch it and see it running for yourself, you realize immediately that this technology is real, that it does work, and that some of it is not as difficult as they may tell us (it’s not NASA technology at all). So, once you see it running you immediately realize they have been lying to us.

So, imagine the powerful effect it could have if somebody like Dr. Greer would go to CNN and BBC and say, for instance:

People of the world, here you have the Pantone GEET motor. It’s not the ultimate solution, it’s only a transitional technology, there are better ones, but ANYBODY can build this one and test it for himself and see that, indeed, it is possible to save gas, cut pollution, and, therefore, you’ll see that they are not telling us the truth about energy matters.

And if you go to my web site (www.theorionproject.org) you’ll see many other types of Free Energy technologies. Or you can go to PANACEA UNIVERSITY and see how people around the world are building and testing these devices in their own houses. In this link you’ll be able to get the blueprints of many different inventions (including the Pantone GEET motor), and build them and test them for yourselves at home:

Panacea University
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/courses.htm

In the following PDF file you’ll find the blueprints of the Pantone GEET motor, and you’ll see there are several variations of it, and you’ll see they are even using them in a helicopter to obtain 30%+ flying time (from 4.5 to 6 hours), and you’ll see a French city council has adopted this technology in their French town, etc.

Detailed blueprints for the Pantone GEET motor and several other variations of it
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/GEE...20procesor.pdf

etc., etc., etc.

A statement like that by Dr. Greer on the CNN or BBC would be REVOLUTIONARY. Millions of people around the world would know that these technologies are real and do work, because with the Pantone GEET motor they would have first hand solid proof of it. End of speculations!

So, the initial questions remain:

Why doesn’t Dr. Greer do what he "says" he would "do"?

Why doesn’t Dr. Greer go immediately to the CNN and BBC and tell the world about it (the Pantone GEET motor as a first hand proof anybody can see and touch for themselves, etc.)?

People, don’t you see a mis·match between “words” and “actions” here?

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In fact, it would be as simple as Dr. Greer going to “Larry King Live”, CNN, with a Pantone GEET motor (which is relatively small, the size of a small suitcase), put it on top of Larry’s desk, drink a little bit of water from the fuel tank (to show people it’s water), and crank it up.... ttttrrrrrrmmmmttttrrrrrr!!!

End of story!

So, the question remains: Why doesn’t Dr. Greer do it as he says he would?

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I could not find an English version of that interview with Alfred Webre. Is there a transcript in English anywhere on the Net?

I am leaning more now towards believing that Greer is either a very bad case of burnout, which could explain a lot, or else really is a dupe of the PTB which could explain even more except why he would go to such great lengths to bring so many whistleblowers to the public's attention with the Disclosure Project. If that was a CIA attempt to deflect focus from the truth, it badly misfired. And his books really are inspiring, regardless of what he says about no negative ET s, etc.

But I don't know that it's really all that simple. It seems there may be a razor's edge so sharp for some people in this field that it splits them right in two. Similarly, I think it's likely that Greer may be caught betwixt and between, right on that edge.

Which is all the more reason to shift focus more to the higher energies and get out of our heads. because this stuff can really make you crazy.

I had no idea CSETI was charging that much money for the training. It seems awfully excessive and unnecessary to me. With the right intent, I don't think it can be that hard to make Contact.

Regardless of who did what, I do think it was inappropriate for Bill to post that information about the Manhunt site. That kind of thing makes everyone look bad.

And another interview with Greer to address some of these issues would certainly be instructive, but from all accounts, that seems pretty unlikely. It would certainly be something if it did happen, though!

Also,
Greer, Bob Dean and other whistleblowers say there are elements within the CIA and other agencies which are actually pro-Disclosure now. So if these are his CIA contacts, that puts a different perspective on what Webre says about Greer and possibly Salla.

This possibility reflects what Wilcock said in his Disclosure Endgame ebook about how many of the international power factions have re formed and reconfigured in the last decades. And many channellers say that there has been a slow infiltration of many arenas of power by more positively oriented individuals, from the bottom up, and that even some of the old guard are gradually seeing things in a different light.

We have to keep in mind that things are constantly changing, and quickly. What was true a couple of years ago may have shifted considerably by now...

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onawah, why don’t you ask Dr. Greer by e-mail about this issue?

You can ask him, for instance, about what he said in the Exopolitics Summit 2009 in Sitges (Barcelona), July-26-2009:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1874942

I encourage you to listen to the full talk, because Dr. Greer was very emphatic, he said things like that he would being willing to die for this cause (free energy), or that he would go to the CNN and BBC to tell the world, etc., etc.

So, ask him about it, and tell him there is already a “transitional energy” device that works fine (the Pantone GEET motor), and even though it is not the ultimate solution (there are better ones), it is great in the sense that can offer right now an excellent worlwide public “PROOF OF CONCEPT” to help to raise public awareness about the reality of these technologies, etc.

And ask him if he would be willing to do what he said he would in the Exopolitics Summit-2009: go to CNN and tell the world about it.

Will he do it?

If Paul Pantone released the free blueprints of his invention a few years ago (I’m not sure if it was in 2008 or before), why hasn’t Dr. Greer gone already to CNN a few years ago? Why the delay? What is he waiting for?

Dr. Greer says he has a group of experts in free energy who have been working in this field for more than 17 years. So, did they know about Paul Pantone’s public release of the free blueprints of his invention (you can see the video in YouTube. See above link)?

Suppose Dr. Greer goes to CNN and talk about the Pantone GEET motor for just 30 minutes and shows its free blueprints. That would help to rise the awareness of millions of people around the world with regards to free energy. That would tremendously boost the interest of the public for this subject. So, couldn’t Dr. Greer perhaps cancel one or two of his seminaries or conferences and go to the CNN instead? That small exchange (seminary for CNN) would be worth the effort.

If you ask him, let’s see what he says.

Btw: if you want to see the Pantone GEET motor working partially on water, go to Panacea University, follow the instructions and build it and test it by yourself. It works, I guarantee it... but you don’t have to believe me, do it yourself and you’ll see.

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qbeac, thanks for all of your good analysis on Greer's statements about transitional technologies and GEET. I must have missed your previous post on the GEET as a transitional technology. I'm wondering, have your built a GEET motor yourself? What type of motor did you convert?

Fuel vaporizors are not new technology, and Pantone's GEET looks like one of many efforts out there. Interesting story here:

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...12/122011.html

VST: http://fuelvapors.com/

More technical History/List of vapor carburetors:
http://www.himacresearch.com/docs/history.html

I can't read Greer's mind, but I do know that he has said repeatedly that time is short. I think he is looking for a major breakthrough at this point. He is just one man, and must choose his battles carefully. We all must decide how best to make a difference with the time and resources available to us.

If you want to help promote a particular fuel vaporizer, more power to you. I would say at this point what is needed is a serious large scale independent study with irrefutable results, not a demo on Larry King. Do you know anyone with a fleet of vehicles willing to put it to the test, and some scientists willing to do the analysis and reporting? (interesting effort in France: http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Dop...ry_English.pdf). Obama is pushing for higher mileage requirements and automakers will insist they can't do it. Now is the time.

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Jnana, if you go to Panacea University, you’ll find all the instructions you need to build a Pantone GEET motor by yourself. I’ve seen it running in real life, and it works fine. But don’t trust me, go to Panacea University and see for yourself.

On the other hand, please, correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to be missing the main point I am trying to make. Please, let me explain it in a different way.

Nowadays (2010), millions of people around the world don’t even know free energy exists because is being censored or suppressed in MSM. Millions don’t think it is real, or don’t think it works, or don’t think there are already devices that are ready to be used, fully operational, and not in a prototype stage.

But there are: the Pantone GEET motor.

The GEET motor is only a “transitional technology”. You can go many levels above it, actually, all the way up to ET level. But at least the Pantone GEET motor already works. Let me say it clearly:

The Pantone GEET motor IS NOT A DEMO, it is a real product, fully operational, it works fine, saves gas and reduces pollution.

It’s good that Dr. Greer and anybody else would try to find much better solutions, but that can be done anytime and in parallel to other options. However, the GEET system is ALREADY working (don’t have to wait any longer) and it has many advantages (see previous post), but one very obvious advantage is that anybody can build it by themselves at home (it’s easy, cheap, its components are standard and easily available, etc.).

In other words, you don’t need to depend on a company (perhaps corrupt and working for the PTB?) that will develop it for you “in the future.” You can use it “now.”

Imagine that an “official” Lab or Company (perhaps corrupt?) who are going to build or test these devices, say:

“Sorry people, we tried hard, but at the very last moment men in black assaulted our installations and stole our equipment and results, or intimidated our inventor, etc., so now you’ll have to wait another 5 years. Be patient, we’ll keep working hard.”

... and by using that trick, they keep buying time so that the elite can finish developing their New World Order. And if they succeed before humanity wakes up, bye bye free energy for a veeeeeery long time, perhaps till the next 26,000 years cycle?

In the case of the Pantone GEET system, we avoid that risk (lies from “official” sources) because you can build it right now in your own house.

On the other hand, Dr. Greer also says: let’s “walk straight perhaps before we can levitate”, because a quick replacement of fossil fuel (from one day to the next) may cause economic or social disruptions. So, let’s go better step by step, starting with the “transitional technologies”, then level 2 (Electromagnetic energy) and finally level 3 (Advanced propulsion systems).

Let me put it this way:

There are different purposes that could be achieved by going to CNN and telling the whole world about the existence of the Pantone GEET motor, for instance:

- Public psychological purpose 1: in just 30 minutes it would dissolve the myth that these technologies do not exist or do not work.

- Public psychological purpose 2: it would rise tremendous public awareness, it would educate millions of people about the reality of these technologies and, therefore, it would create a huge amount of public pressure for the liberation of them. Remember that Dr. Greer also asked people to help him with that task by writing e-mails to Obama and Congress.

- Public psychological purpose 3: Since anybody can build it and touch it, it would give everybody solid direct proof that these technologies are real and work. You would not need to hear the results from an “official Lab” (perhaps corrupt and working for the PTB?) telling you that it works (or not), because you can prove it to yourself and by yourself.

- Public practical purpose 1: it would allow a lot of people to use the Pantone GEET motor for “certain types of applications” (Ex: home electrical generators, camping caravans, etc.), which will save them gas and cut pollution and help the environment.

So, in my opinion, I can’t find any good reason why Dr. Greer, if he is sincere in wanting to promote free energy, would not do what he says he would: go to CNN and tell the world about these matters.

On the other hand, and as I mentioned before:

The elite has a lot of expertise producing infiltrated agents, so it should not surprise us if they keep using that trick nowadays. Now then, in the case of Dr. Greer, perhaps he could clarify these questions by himself by agreeing to participate in more public and open debates so that everybody can ask him hard questions. Other persons are participating in open debates (see this forum), so, will he be willing to do the same?

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I get your point, I just don't agree (entirely). The GEET device provides about a 20% to 30% increase in gas mileage (data from a single French test vehicle). If that kind of result is common, that is indeed significant and worthwhile, I don't dispute that.

But, there is a long history of "magic carburetors" and such promising 100 mpg that have never made it to market. I think many in the public are aware of such claims and are skeptical. I also think very few in the public have any clue as to who Dr. Steven Greer is, and I would be willing to bet that his detractors outnumber his supporters. Just how effective will it be for a "UFO nut" to get on Larry King and promote this device? You think Larry King won't talk about Greer's UFO background, and that he's a medical doctor who knows nothing about internal combustion engines? How much better would it be for the inventor himself backed up by an independent scientific study by Dr. Whoever from MIT and the City of Los Angeles or some big trucking firm to go on Larry King and say, "I invented it, they proved it, let's do it"? It's that sort of backing that is needed to prevent the loyal opposition from portraying the device as a hoax and shutting down all attempts at mass production. Greer's involvement would be a liability, in my opinion.

I also don't agree that just making the public aware of the plans and such is going to have the kind of results you expect. I'm quite mechanically adept, but I can see all kinds of potential problems with putting such a device on my car, so I'm not willing to try it at this point. Are you? If you haven't built one, what makes you think everyone else is in such a great hurry to do so? These things need to be refined and tested and manufactured and installed by someone willing to back up the product. If the installed price can be payed back with fuel savings in a year or so, then I think you'll get the kind of impact that matters.

If you want to make Dr. Greer solely responsible for doing something about this, fine, that's your call. I just think your passion for this could be put to better use than portraying him as a hypocrite for not taking up this cause. Greer quote: "Everyone wants to know, but nobody wants to do."

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Ahh, you must be new to the alternative media scene. All media outlets in the world are now owned by 6 Corporations. They did not buy up all of the media sources because they wanted to make money. They bought them all up because they wanted to control information. Get the picture?

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qbeac, trying to reason on this thread is like talking to a brick wall.
These people may agree with you, but they are paid to defend Greer/CSETI and intimidate those who question him.

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Jnana, considering the huge efforts the global elite does to try to control MSM to suppress all kinds of forbidden info (free energy, 911 fraud, swine flu vaccination fraud, anthropogenic global warming fraud, etc.), raising the level of public awareness (about free energy and other things) is not only “trivial or unimportant”, but on the contrary, “extremely important”.

In fact, what the elite is probably trying to prevent is precisely the awakening of the masses (the critical mass), because they know such a global awakening could mean their end.

Further more, that’s one of the purposes of Project Camelot, helping to get this global awakening. So, any effort in that direction should be welcome.

But let’s suppose for a moment that it’s not appropriate for Dr. Greer to go to CNN to talk about free energy (GEET, etc.), even though he already was in CNN and other channels talking about UFOs (Washington Press Club, 2001).

In such a case, instead of going to the CNN, he could perhaps show a Pantone GEET device in some of his seminaries and conferences, or do a video an put it in YouTube to show it to his audience (people who already trust him), and give them the free blueprints, and publish the performance tests that AERO and Orion Project could easily do to verify that technology, or things of that nature.

That’s what Panacea University is doing.

Why don’t Dr. Greer and his team of experts do similar things? That would be compatible and complementary with their other current activities.

I look at the Panacea University’s web site, or Jean Louis Naudin’s web site (both about free energy), and I see TONS of “practical” and “useful” free energy info (blueprints, detailed building instructions, pictures, graphics, experimental results, etc.), info which is helping thousands/millions of regular people to realize of the reality of free energy, and I think: these guys seem honest, they really seem to want to promote free energy among the general public.

Using a computer analogy, Panacea University could be like Windows Vista (user friendly), while Greer’s sites (AERO, Orion Project) look like an old beta version of MSDOS computer language (hard to use, only for experts, maybe it doesn’t work, maybe it doesn’t even suppose to work...?)

For instance, in my case, I did not see the blueprints of the Pantone GEET motor (and other devices) in Greer’s site, but in Panacea University and JLN.

Compare and judge by yourselves:

Panacea University, free energy
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/courses.htm

Jean Louis Naudin, free energy
http://jnaudin.free.fr/

The Orion Project & AERO (Dr. Steven Greer)
http://www.theorionproject.org
http://www.aero2012.com/en/index.html

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Considering the above, there are several “possible hypothesis”. Which one will be the right one?

a) Dr. Greer is honest and sincere (?). In that case, it would be good if he could give us very good answers to the questions we are presenting here to him, as well as participate in open debates with his peers (Ex: Alfred Webre, Project Camelot, etc.).

b) Dr. Greer (or the current one, not the 1994 one?) is a double agent (?) (infiltrated, gatekeeper) who is playing a game with society based on a clever strategy by which he always has the perfect excuse. For instance, first he is a useful instrument to identify the best free energy devices so that men in black can suppress them, and then he says: “I tried hard but at the very last moment, the men in black intimidated the inventor, or he got scared, or they stole the equipment, or, or, or”..... to infinity, till the next 26,000 years cycle.

c) Other options (say which...?).

Based on all these considerations, which possibility do people think is more probable, plausible, or realistic?

P.S. Btw, Dr. Greer said that all his Disclosure Project witnesses have not suffered any threats, and I think that’s because he put in place some sort of protection system. That’s great. But if that is so, why doesn’t he offer the same protection to Henry Deacon after he talked about the colony in Mars, or having gone there by teleportation, etc.?

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Thanks for your support, Lisa.

Besides giving my personal opinions on the subject, I am trying to present data I’ve found so that people can make their own judgement.

Imho, there is something suspicious about Dr. Greer, and that’s not how I thought at first. Before the Barcelona Exopolitics Summit-2009, I thought he was a hero, I helped translating his materials from English to Spanish (videos, sites, etc.). But after the things that have happened since then, now I see several important inconsistencies that should be clarified ASAP.

By now, we all have lost our naivety and know that the PTB uses the tactic of infiltration (double agents, gatekeepers, wolfs in sheep’s clothing), and uses professional debunkers to debunk all versions contrary to the official one (Psyops, Agent provocateur, etc.). The PTB may even use clones, or mind control, or other unknown sophisticated technology, or who knows what.

For instance, Jnana has given his/her own personal opinion of why Dr. Greer may not want to present the Pantone GEET motor in the CNN. Firstly, I personally don’t agree with Jnana’s arguments (for several reasons). And secondly, those are only Jnana’s “speculations” (or plausible deniability arguments) of what Dr. Greer may think or want to do, which may not even be correct (we don’t know). Maybe Dr. Greer has other reasons to do what he does.

So, in any case, it would be good to hear Dr. Greer’s own opinion about this matter.

Something that Dr. Greer could do to clarify these questions is to make himself much more available, don’t hide, participate in more public and open debates with his peers, like other people are doing (Alfred Webre, Bill Ryan, Kerry Cassidy, etc.), and answer the hard questions that his peers (other experts in the field) and the regular people may present to him.

That would be something normal to expect from sincere and honest persons who don’t have things to hide or double intentions in mind (Ex: Alfred, Bill, Kerry, etc.).

For persons who have a leading role in the UFO field, it should be almost “mandatory” (or highly recommended) for them to participate in open debates if they want to have credibility, because truth is not afraid of lies. In open debates and in the long run, you can see and feel who is real or fake.

But Bill and Kerry have already said that it was hard for them to interview Dr. Greer because he declined several times.

In summary, if Dr. Greer does make himself available, that would be great. If he doesn’t, the suspicions will grow.

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Lisa, no one here that I'm aware of is paid to defend Greer/CSETI or intimindate anyone who questions him. Your statement is clearly false. I support Greer because I admire him, the work he has done, that he has dedicated his life to helping others and is working toward Universal Brotherhood. I'm not going to change my mind about a man who has risked so much in his efforts to help humankind.

You implied that he came onto you and is a womanizer. You implied he is a cheat. You implied he is a fraud.

You may have been very disappointed by your experience and should just ask for your money back. However, I do question who you are and am aware when someone who hasn't grasped the basics of algebra enters into a physics class.. that person is going to feel lost. I suspect you were in over your head and are blaming everyone else as to being failures without looking at yourself first and whether you were really ready for such an experience. And I will share this with you... I've been involved in this field for years and don't even know if I would be ready. A couple years back when I sat out under the stars with Joan Ocean, when she supposedly was contacting ET with our group, I thought her nut was cracked and I'm a psychotherapist. I also paid around $1,500 for the 5 day experience and was also disappointed. However, I didn't go around trashing her or putting her down because I couldn't see what she whe was experiencing. And if it weren't for the photos which caught the pictures of the orbs I would have thought the whole experience a bust. There are photos of me being fully surrounded by them and yet during that time I didn't see a thing because I didn't resonate at the frequency these were coming in at.

Joan Ocean is also an amazing person who is out there on the fringe yet she is also a contactee and has experiences that even blow my mind away. It would not be fair to discount my experience with her because of my own personal failures and/or inexperience.

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Yeah, that is why I am on unemployment and have 300 bucks in the bank. Because I am a paid disinformation agent by the Greer superstructure of disinfo people. Don't quit your day job there Watson.

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I am definitely in agreement with this.

Disclosure across the board will make it a lot easier to get the news out there about various types of advanced technology that can be made available to the public. But what order the dominoes will fall in is anybody's guess.

It feels to me like we are moving into a new playing field now, of very creative and also very chaotic potential, so it will be interesting to see what happens next. It may be that things will unfold in a manner we never expected. IF it is true that stargates are opening up around the planet, whatever happens should be expedited considerably by the new energies coming in!

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tone3jaguar, the idea of going to the CNN and BBC to tell the world about free energy is not mine, it’s Dr. Greer’s idea, he said it during his talk in the Sitges (Barcelona) Exopolitics Summit (july-25-2009). I don’t think it would work, either, I don’t think the PTB, if they remain in power, would allow it. And that’s another reason why I find Dr. Greer’s remarks suspicious.

You can see the transcript of Dr. Greer’s own words in Post #330 of this page, pag. 14.

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Hi everybody, the following is a brief summary I wrote a few weeks ago while I was listening to the interview with Alfred Webre in which he makes the comments about the alleged Dr. Greer-CIA connection. Only a few parts of this summary are literal words, the rest is just a summary.

If somebody needs a translation, google works fairly well:
http://translate.google.es/?hl=es&tab=wT#

Summary of some key points of the interview with Alfred Webre during the Congress “Ciencia y Espíritu”, Barcelona, sep-09 (+/-)

Alfred Webre, Barcelona. January-15-2010
http://www.lighthousebcn.com/index.php/alfred-webre
http://vimeo.com/9064144

Traducción no literal, sólo apunto las ideas principales para que no se me pasen:

Min. 3:43. Habla de la infiltración en el movimiento 11-S para neutralizarlo, por la NSA y sus agentes.

Min. 5:38. Habla del gobierno invisible mundial, que tiene muchas caras, una de ellas es el Gurpo Bilderberg, Rockefeller, Rothschild, que controlan el sistema bancario mundial. etc.

Min. 6:40. El valor de la familia Rothschild excede los 100 trillones de dólares. La CIA es el arma de estas familias, etc., George Soros son agentes de esas familias.

Min. 7:30. George Soros intentó un ataque financiero a Malasia, pero su presidente (Tun Mahathir bin Mohamad), que es miembro del tribunal de crímenes de guerra internacional (como Alfred), pudo repeler el ataque.

Min. 8:20. Habla del programa de despoblación mundial (eugenesia).

Min. 13:50. La raza humana tenemos una crisis que amenaza nuestra supervivencia.

Min. 14:10. Por eso la intervención de ETs es esencial para la supervivencia de esta civilización, si no, todo se va al fondo.

Min. 15:25. El agujero negro del centro de la galaxia (Hunab Khun, o algo así) está reprogramando nuestro ADN, mejorándolo, añadiendo más chackras, etc.

Min. 16:35. Es un proceso multidimensional, y el universo interviene en este plano para asegurarse de que no nos destruimos.

Min. 17:10. El año 2020 será muy distinto a este año porque ya tendremos una nueva generación de líderes, una nueva población, y será un planeta mucho más orientado hacia la paz y el bien común y menos hacia el bien personal y la economía de guerra permanente. En el 2009 estamos viviendo en un período de transición y todavía siguen por un poco más de tiempo los últimos monstruos como Bush, Cheney, de la era sionista de los Rothschild, Rockefeller, del cerebro reptiliano de la humanidad.

Min. 18:35. Habla del Vaticano es una institución basada en el poder terrenal y las creencias, quienes se han aliado con los poderes del gobierno, y se ha aliado con creencias que intranquilizan a las masas. La iglesia ha sobrevivido 2000 años por la manipulación del dinero, del pueblo, de la fe, etc. El milagro de 1917 de Fátima, científicos demuestran que fueron OVNIS. O sea, que ya estamos entrando en una era de transparencia, y el sistema que ha usado el Vaticano durante todos estos siglos ya no funciona. Tienen muchas dificultades para conseguir sacerdotes, tienen ética anti femenina, en USA han perdido dinero y poder por los escándalos de los abusos sexuales durante décadas, pedofilia (Ej: un obispo de Canadá fue recientemente arrestado por tener fotos de niños en su computer).

Min. 23:15. La Iglesia Católica mundial es el prototipo de una edad que ha terminado, de corrupción, manipulación de la gran mentira, etc. ¿Cuál será el futuro de la Iglesia Católica en el 2010? Vamos a ver, porque estamos en una era de aceleración del tiempo, que tenemos conexión directa con la Fuente, que el dinero que se le da a la Iglesia va a una serie de bancos corruptos, que la Iglesia Católica está manejada por sociedades secretas que se asesinan entre sí, que está conectada con las agencias de inteligencia, con el Grupo Bilderberg, y que es una de las asociaciones más corruptas en la faz de la Tierra. Si la gente quiere mantenerse así, pues estamos en un mundo de voluntad libre (libre albedrío).

Min. 24:50. Pero yo nací en una familia muy Católica, mi tío era jesuita, el segundo mandatario en el mundo, el enlace entre los jesuitas y Pablo Sexto, yo he estado en Roma con él y he visto al Vaticano desde el interior y es lo más corrupto del mundo: Se asesinan, se roban. Y yo creo que con esta nueva energía que entra, eso no durará.

Min. 25:50. ¿Porqué ir a una iglesia a oír a unos ladrones por una hora dar una mentira grande? ¿Porqué no ir a una conferencia donde verdaderamente te hablan sobre qué pasa después de la muerte desde unos principios científicos? Y yo (Alfred) creo que es lo que va a entrar en los próximos 100 años.

Min. 26:15. El presidente Obama es un producto de un programa secreto de USA para ir al futuro e identificar a los futuros presidentes. Han identificado a Carter, a Clinton, a Bush Senior, a Bush junior y a Obama, etc. A los dos (Bush y Obama) les avisaron de que iban a ser presidentes cuando tenían 20 años, y desde entonces entraron en un programa clandestino para ser presidentes. Alfred tiene un amigo que estaba presente en la habitación cuando le dijeron al joven Bush junior (cuando era joven) que iba a ser presidente, y se puso muy contento... (27:25)

Min. 29:50. Lo del anuncio de que Obama va a desclasificar el tema UFO es una jugada de las agencias de inteligencia de ciertas esquinas muy identificadas del sector de Exopolítica, de Michael Salla, de Steven Greer, que está muy identificado con la CIA. Él (Greer) sigue las advertencias de la CIA, y está muy rodeado de agentes de la CIA. Y eso es una no-noticia para darle aliento al público para que piense “Obama el salvador”.... etc.

English translation (literal words):

Min. 29:50. Obama’s announcement about declassifying the UFO matter is a play of the intelligence agencies identified with certain very well identified corners of the Exopolitics sector, Michael Salla, Steven Greer, who is closely identified with the CIA. He (Greer) follows the advice [or warnings] of the CIA, and is well surrounded by CIA agents. And that is a non-story to give the public hope into thinking "Obama El Salvador".... etc.

40:40. Hay que difundir la info suprimida todo lo posible, porque mientras más gente lo sepa, menos efectivo será el engaño... es como el 11-S, no podemos parar, tenemos que seguir difundiendo esto...

55:00. Al igual que en la Tierra y en las ciudades todo está reglamentado (permisos, certificados, normas, ayuntamientos, etc.), lo mismo pasa en el cosmos por los diversos gobiernos galácticos, cósmicos, etc.

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Quote from qbeac:Hi everybody, the following is a brief summary I wrote a few weeks ago while I was listening to the interview with Alfred Webre in which he makes the comments about the alleged Dr. Greer-CIA connection. Only a few parts of this summary are literal words, the rest is just a summary.

If somebody needs a translation, google works fairly well:
http://translate.google.es/?hl=es&tab=wT# "

Here's that translation, for what it's worth:

"Min 3:43. Talk of infiltration in the movement to neutralize 11-S, by the NSA and their agents.

Min 5:38. Talk of the invisible world government, which has many faces, one of them is the Gurpo Bilderberg, Rockefeller, Rothschild, who control the world banking system. etc.

Min 6:40. The Rothschild family value exceeds 100 trillion. The CIA is the weapon of these families, and so on., George Soros are agents for these families.

Min 7:30. George Soros financially tried to attack Malaysia, but its president (Tun Mahathir bin Mohamad), which is a member of the international war crimes (as Alfred), able to repel the attack.

Min 8:20. Talk of global depopulation program (eugenics).

Min 13:50. The human race we have a crisis that threatens our survival.

Min 14:10. So the intervention of ETs is essential for the survival of civilization, if not all sink to the bottom.

Min 15:25. The black hole at the center of the galaxy (Hunab Khun, or something) is reprogramming our DNA, improving, adding to the chakras, and so on.

Min 16:35. It is a multidimensional process, and the universe intervenes in this plane to ensure that there are destroyed.

Min 17:10. The year 2020 will be very different this year because we will have a new generation of leaders, a new town, a planet will be much more oriented towards peace and the common good and less to the good staff and the permanent war economy. In 2009 we are living in a transition period and still a little longer the last monsters like Bush, Cheney, Zionist era of the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, the reptilian brain of humanity.

Min 18:35. Talk of the Vatican is an institution based on the earthly power and beliefs, who have allied themselves with the powers of government, and has beliefs that uneasy alliance with the masses. The church has survived 2000 years by the manipulation of money, people, faith, and so on. The miracle of Fatima in 1917, scientists demonstrated that they were UFOs. That is, we are entering an era of transparency, and the system that the Vatican has used all these centuries no longer works. They are fighting to get priests are anti female ethics in USA have lost money and power by the scandals of sexual abuse for decades, pedophilia (eg, a bishop from Canada was recently arrested for having photos of children on his computer).

Min 23:15. The worldwide Catholic Church is the prototype of an age that has ended, corruption, manipulation of the big lie, and so on. What will the future of the Catholic Church in 2010? Now, because we're in an era of accelerating time, we have direct connection to Source, that the money given to the Church is to corrupt a number of banks, that the Catholic Church is run by secret societies are killing each other, which is connected with the intelligence agencies, the Bilderberg Group, which is one of the most corrupt associations in the face of the earth. If people want to stay, for we are in a world of free will (free will).

24:50 Min. But I was born in a very Catholic family, my uncle was a Jesuit, the second president in the world, the link between the Jesuits and Paul the Sixth, I have been in Rome with him and have seen the Vatican from the inside and is the most corrupt the world: We kill, steal. And I think that with this new energy comes in, it will not last.

25:50 Min. Why go to church to hear the robbers for an hour to give a big lie? Why not go to a conference where you really talk about what happens after death from scientific principles? And I (Alfred) I think is going to come in the next 100 years.

26:15 Min. President Obama is a product of a secret U.S. program to go ahead and identify future presidents. They found Carter, Clinton, Bush Senior, Bush Junior and Obama, and so on. At two (Bush and Obama) were warned that they were going to be president when they were 20 years old, and has since entered into a clandestine program to be president. Alfred has a friend who was present in the room when they told the younger Bush junior (when he was young) who would be president, and he was very happy ... (27:25)

29:50 Min. What the announcement that Obama is going to declassify the UFO theme is a play of intelligence agencies identified certain corners very Exopolitics sector of Michael Salla, Steven Greer, who is closely identified with the CIA. He (Greer) follows warnings from the CIA, and is well surrounded by CIA agents. And that is a non-story to give heart to the public to think "Obama ".... El Salvador etc.

English translation (literal words):

29:50 Min. Obama's announcement about declassifying the UFO matter is a play of the intelligence agencies identified very well identified with Certain corners of the Exopolitics sector, Michael Salla, Steven Greer, who is Closely identified with the CIA. He (Greer) follows the advice [or warnings] of the CIA, and is well surrounded by CIA agents. And that is a non-story to give hope the public into thinking "Obama ".... El Salvador etc.

40:40. We must spread the info deleted everything possible, because the more people know, the less effective the deception ... is like the 11-S, we can not stop, we must continue to spread this ...

55:00. As in the Earth and everything is regulated cities (permits, certificates, rules, town halls, etc..), The same happens in the cosmos by the various governments galactic cosmic etc.
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Literal translation, just write down the main ideas that I can not pass: <br> <br>Min 3:43. Talk of infiltration in the movement to neutralize 11-S, by the NSA and their agents. <br> <br>Min 5:38. Talk of the invisible world government, which has many faces, one of them is the Gurpo Bilderberg, Rockefeller, Rothschild, who control the world banking system. etc. <br> <br>Min 6:40. The Rothschild family value exceeds 100 trillion. The CIA is the weapon of these families, and so on., George Soros are agents for these families. <br> <br>Min 7:30. George Soros financially tried to attack Malaysia, but its president (Tun Mahathir bin Mohamad), which is a member of the international war crimes (as Alfred), able to repel the attack. <br> <br>Min 8:20. Talk of global depopulation program (eugenics). <br> <br>Min 13:50. The human race we have a crisis that threatens our survival. <br> <br>Min 14:10. So the intervention of ETs is essential for the survival of civilization, if not all sink to the bottom. <br> <br>Min 15:25. The black hole at the center of the galaxy (Hunab Khun, or something) is reprogramming our DNA, improving, adding to the chakras, and so on. <br> <br>Min 16:35. It is a multidimensional process, and the universe intervenes in this plane to ensure that there are destroyed. <br> <br>Min 17:10. The year 2020 will be very different this year because we will have a new generation of leaders, a new town, a planet will be much more oriented towards peace and the common good and less to the good staff and the permanent war economy. In 2009 we are living in a transition period and still a little longer the last monsters like Bush, Cheney, Zionist era of the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, the reptilian brain of humanity. <br> <br>Min 18:35. Talk of the Vatican is an institution based on the earthly power and beliefs, who have allied themselves with the powers of government, and has beliefs that uneasy alliance with the masses. The church has survived 2000 years by the manipulation of money, people, faith, and so on. The miracle of Fatima in 1917, scientists demonstrated that they were UFOs. That is, we are entering an era of transparency, and the system that the Vatican has used all these centuries no longer works. They are fighting to get priests are anti female ethics in USA have lost money and power by the scandals of sexual abuse for decades, pedophilia (eg, a bishop from Canada was recently arrested for having photos of children on his computer). <br> <br>Min 23:15. The worldwide Catholic Church is the prototype of an age that has ended, corruption, manipulation of the big lie, and so on. What will the future of the Catholic Church in 2010? Now, because we're in an era of accelerating time, we have direct connection to Source, that the money given to the Church is to corrupt a number of banks, that the Catholic Church is run by secret societies are killing each other, which is connected with the intelligence agencies, the Bilderberg Group, which is one of the most corrupt associations in the face of the earth. If people want to stay, for we are in a world of free will (free will). <br> <br>24:50 Min. But I was born in a very Catholic family, my uncle was a Jesuit, the second president in the world, the link between the Jesuits and Paul the Sixth, I have been in Rome with him and have seen the Vatican from the inside and is the most corrupt the world: We kill, steal. And I think that with this new energy comes in, it will not last. <br> <br>25:50 Min. Why go to church to hear the robbers for an hour to give a big lie? Why not go to a conference where you really talk about what happens after death from scientific principles? And I (Alfred) I think is going to come in the next 100 years. <br> <br>26:15 Min. President Obama is a product of a secret U.S. program to go ahead and identify future presidents. They found Carter, Clinton, Bush Senior, Bush Junior and Obama, and so on. At two (Bush and Obama) were warned that they were going to be president when they were 20 years old, and has since entered into a clandestine program to be president. Alfred has a friend who was present in the room when they told the younger Bush junior (when he was young) who would be president, and he was very happy ... (27:25) <br> <br>29:50 Min. What the announcement that Obama is going to declassify the UFO theme is a play of intelligence agencies identified certain corners very Exopolitics sector of Michael Salla, Steven Greer, who is closely identified with the CIA. He (Greer) follows warnings from the CIA, and is well surrounded by CIA agents. And that is a non-story to give heart to the public to think &quot;Obama &quot;.... El Salvador etc. <br> <br> English translation (literal words): <br> <br> 29:50 Min. Obama's announcement about declassifying the UFO matter is a play of the intelligence agencies identified very well identified with Certain corners of the Exopolitics sector, Michael Salla, Steven Greer, who is Closely identified with the CIA. He (Greer) follows the advice [or warnings] of the CIA, and is well surrounded by CIA agents. And that is a non-story to give hope the public into thinking &quot;Obama &quot;.... El Salvador etc. <br> <br>40:40. We must spread the info deleted everything possible, because the more people know, the less effective the deception ... is like the 11-S, we can not stop, we must continue to spread this ... <br> <br>55:00. As in the Earth and everything is regulated cities (permits, certificates, rules, town halls, etc..), The same happens in the cosmos by the various governments galactic cosmic etc.

Re: Dr. Steven Greer, Disinfo Agent? Details Please!
 

You asked why he did not go to them with info about what ever stop gap tech it is that you are talking about.

Now you are saying that you know why he has not gone and that it is suspicious that he would say that he would because he should know better.

If I did not know any better I would say you are grasping as straws here. You logic train is departing the station and you are not on it.