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MadSheeple 12-10-2009 08:50 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phtha (Post 196943)
Because a tree is a tree! And if someone told me that a tree is a 4 headed fish I would argue and say "no sir, that is clearly a tree". This example is much more clear cut but its the same thing.
you can choose to believe what you want and that is fine with me, but I know 110% what this was.
This is a missile.
Governments really do test missiles!

I can sympothize with everyone who does not believe this is a missile though, if I did not have the experience with cameras and the like I could see how hard it would be to believe that a missile could produce such a spectacular effect.
The evidence you speak of is easily debunked, but it is not important, we know what you believe, but please refrain from imposing you beliefs on others. Negativity is not the answer, and repeating your beliefs over and over without putting new information on the table serves no purpose but to instill chaos. I know that just by replying I am feeding the fire, but lets try and keep this discussion open but still rely on good explanations. I believe that someone would have to be gulible to believe such a flawed explanation, but that is just my beliefs and I don`t mind if you don`t share them.

I think it would be wise to steer away from missile talk until we have more/better evidence of that theory. Also let`s stay open minded, keep this positive and personal attack-free so we can make some progress investigating this.

-Peace-

Phtha 12-10-2009 08:53 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Hey I understand your point 100% Kra.
However there are real truths that exist, the actual events that really took place... and then people can choose whatever they want to believe from there. Logic alone proves this is a missile if you have the right knowledge before hand to see it. Nothing to do with smarts its just experience. I knew it was a missile as soon as I thought about shutter speeds.

I'm not saying I think this was a missile I'm saying it was a missile. That is the truth of what it was, and I can't change that. :lmao:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Kra (Post 196954)
Yes... but can you prove us that it was a missile? All you have is what you saw and what they said and showed you (3D simulation) and warnings on paper. I can't prove you that it was not a missile... not with hard evidence at least. You know 110% that this was a missile, ok that's your truth... but it's not up to you to decide if that's everybody's truth or not... the global truth if you want. If people who think it's something else going on are wrong about this... then it's their "problem" and it's up to them to investigate and get this conclussion in the final. I'm just saying i'm not attacking you. You can only come with proves and solid arguments... telling your opinion and your feelings on this... without trying to impose them "your" truth / reality.

Swanny 12-10-2009 08:53 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Trouble is so many people are desperate for something to happen.
If a few more pop up then I'll change my mind but at the moment I'm going for a out of control missile

BROOK 12-10-2009 08:55 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swanny (Post 196968)
Trouble is so many people are desperate for something to happen.
If a few more pop up then I'll change my mind but at the moment I'm going for a out of control missile
I thought you were going for project Bluebeam? What changed your mind? The media?

Phtha 12-10-2009 08:55 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
So how come you only attack me and not the ones who say it was not a missile with 100% certainty? Because it doesn't fit with your belief?

Anyways the TRUTH was it was a missile. Sorry if that upsets you guys but that is not my fault.

MISSILE
:mfr_lol::mfr_lol:
Quote:
Originally Posted by MadSheeple (Post 196963)
but please refrain from imposing you beliefs on others. Negativity is not the answer, and repeating your beliefs over and over without putting new information on the table serves no purpose but to instill chaos. I know that just by replying I am feeding the fire, but lets try and keep this discussion open but still rely on good explanations.

Initiate 12-10-2009 09:02 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swanny (Post 196968)
Trouble is so many people are desperate for something to happen.
If a few more pop up then I'll change my mind but at the moment I'm going for a out of control missile
how about this one in Russia:



Swamp gas too (oops. I mean rocket?)

WarriorServant 12-10-2009 09:05 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
After looking at this thread, I think I have just bumped into a very lucrative business. I can provide portal chasing adventures in any night sky. Price is only $3,000 per 7 day trip, or $25,000 for groups of ten. You will be absolutely guaranteed to see a portal on my command, every night -- or you'll get a 100% refund, no questions asked.

MadSheeple 12-10-2009 09:05 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phtha (Post 196971)
So how come you only attack me and not the ones who say it was not a missile with 100% certainty? Because it doesn't fit with your belief?

Anyways the TRUTH was it was a missile. Sorry if that upsets you guys but that is not my fault.

MISSILE
:mfr_lol::mfr_lol:
I will not let myself be dragged into a pointless argument based on flimsy evidence, I am sorry sir but I will not sink to your level. I am still open to other explanations, but the missile thing can be easily dismissed. There is so many flaws in your explanation that you don`t even want to discuss them. To even propose that you have the absolute truth without having experienced the event shows how close minded you are. Now before I really get dragged into negativity I arrest my case. :zip:

Have a nice day sir :wink2:

Initiate 12-10-2009 09:06 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
On the subject of portals:

Lionhawk 12-10-2009 09:09 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Let's say for argument sake it was a rocket. Here is something I do have a problem with. That's the data that was so easily provided the day after. Here you are, revealing to the World all this data when this was a secret training mission. If the Russians were to deploy this kind of military exercise in the waters of Norway, was the Norwegian Government contacted? Where is that data or a statement? And let us not forget the surveillance capabilities of our government. What data do they have to support this if it was a rocket? Our Government monitors everything and yet I haven't heard anything. This needs to be fully investigated and with all concerning governments. Got to cover all the bases here and I say that in a logical tone.

Your camera knowledge is much appreciated. Are you a rocket technician Phtha? Have you ever worked with lasers and holography? Have you ever seen a launch before? And what do we really know of Project Blue Beam?

What if this missile was used as a catalyst to initialized a wormhole?

What bugs me about this perfect rocket accident is the symmetry of what we are seeing. The camera can only capture what it is capable of. What if these same pictures were placed under a spectroscope to see what we don't see. How do you explain away the way the blue light spiral tightens as it approaches the surface? And isn't there a frequency at which that could be calculated by what we see in the pictures? And how can you explain away the tear drop effect of the halo as it approaches the ground? That also being a different color as to the blue we see. Isn't the Earth frequency measured at around 8hz? Maybe a little over now. The frequency of the blue spiral can be calculated provided we find the distance between the spiral backdrop in reference to the distance to the surface. And if you have a gas cloud of high octane rocket fuel and there is an explosion, why didn't it ignite? To many unanswered questions for me to come up with any final conclusions. I would also wish those of us in here with various backgrounds that could add to this and cover all the angles. One shoe doesn't fit all.

I have no problems accepting the fact that it could have been a rocket but we need to answers some real questions here. Part of being a truth seeker is to know the whole truth and not just a cherry picked piece of it.

Blessings! :thumb_yello:

Initiate 12-10-2009 09:09 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
A simulation:

Phtha 12-10-2009 09:09 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Please stop attacking my character, that is twice now. Where have I ever attacked anyone else on their views?
Ask yourself, who is being negative? :nono:
I'm just trying to end the mystery so you can better put that wonderful attention on something real.

I'm all for worm holes, and I know other dimensions and star gates are possible and probably already active somewhere. I have no doubts about that, but this was a missile. The evidence I presented was proof enough for me. If you need more evidence then research it yourself.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MadSheeple (Post 196975)
I will not let myself be dragged into a pointless argument based on flimsy evidence, I am sorry sir but I will not sink to your level. I am still open to other explanations, but the missile thing can be easily dismissed. There is so many flaws in your explanation that you don`t even want to discuss them. To even propose that you have the absolute truth without having experienced the event shows how close minded you are. Now before I really get dragged into negativity I arrest my case. :zip:

Have a nice day sir :wink2:

dayzero 12-10-2009 09:10 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
hi all, just catchin up...

777 The Great Work 12-10-2009 09:12 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
N and D or interchangeable,so Norway is also Dorway. :original:

Initiate 12-10-2009 09:13 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 


swamp gas?

MadSheeple 12-10-2009 09:13 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionhawk (Post 196981)
Let's say for argument sake it was a rocket. Here is something I do have a problem with. That's the data that was so easily provided the day after. Here you are, revealing to the World all this data when this was a secret training mission. If the Russians were to deploy this kind of military exercise in the waters of Norway, was the Norwegian Government contacted? Where is that data or a statement? And let us not forget the surveillance capabilities of our government. What data do they have to support this if it was a rocket? Our Government monitors everything and yet I haven't heard anything. This needs to be fully investigated and with all concerning governments. Got to cover all the bases here and I say that in a logical tone.

Your camera knowledge is much appreciated. Are you a rocket technician Phtha? Have you ever worked with lasers and holography? Have you ever seen a launch before? And what do we really know of Project Blue Beam?

What if this missile was used as a catalyst to initialized a wormhole?

What bugs me about this perfect rocket accident is the symmetry of what we are seeing. The camera can only capture what it is capable of. What if these same pictures were placed under a spectroscope to see what we don't see. How do you explain away the way the blue light spiral tightens as it approaches the surface? And isn't there a frequency at which that could be calculated by what we see in the pictures? And how can you explain away the tear drop effect of the halo as it approaches the ground? That also being a different color as to the blue we see. Isn't the Earth frequency measured at around 8hz? Maybe a little over now. The frequency of the blue spiral can be calculated provided we find the distance between the spiral backdrop in reference to the distance to the surface. And if you have a gas cloud of high octane rocket fuel and there is an explosion, why didn't it ignite? To many unanswered questions for me to come up with any final conclusions. I would also wish those of us in here with various backgrounds that could add to this and cover all the angles. One shoe doesn't fit all.

I have no problems accepting the fact that it could have been a rocket but we need to answers some real questions here. Part of being a truth seeker is to know the whole truth and not just a cherry picked piece of it.

Blessings! :thumb_yello:
Couldn`t of said it better myself :original:
Thanks lionhawk

waitinginthewings 12-10-2009 09:15 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Ok......here is feedback given by Dr. Paul LaViolette to Mel on the Manticore forum. I figure the good Dr. should know if its a rocket or not....looks like its not.

Mel,

The Norwegian light show is in my opinion made by the same EM technology that produced the luminous ring seen in Moscow two months ago. See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-XljlBRF6M

This appears to be a continuing public demonstration of the technology that was also used to turn the World Trade Center to dust. I believe that a very scaled up version of this technology could also be used to put a protective shield around the Earth to deflect cosmic rays.

Paul

BROOK 12-10-2009 09:16 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wogZN94-5QU

MadSheeple 12-10-2009 09:17 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phtha (Post 196983)
Please stop attacking my character, that is twice now. Where have I ever attacked anyone else on their views?
Ask yourself, who is being negative? :nono:
I'm just trying to end the mystery so you can better put that wonderful attention on something real.

I'm all for worm holes, and I know other dimensions and star gates are possible and probably already active somewhere. I have no doubts about that, but this was a missile. The evidence I presented was proof enough for me. If you need more evidence then research it yourself.
:wall: Deep breath....
I think we are having a communication issue here.
I am not saying this can`t be a missile, I`m saying we can`t KNOW for sure, wich you seem to speculate. Refer to lionhawk`s post

pineal-pilot-in merkabah 12-10-2009 09:18 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
ill make everyone happy and say it was a rocket being fired at something perhaps.. not just a test missile but were they using a hologram to target their missile at?

BROOK 12-10-2009 09:23 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by waitinginthewings (Post 196989)
Ok......here is feedback given by Dr. Paul LaViolette to Mel on the Manticore forum. I figure the good Dr. should know if its a rocket or not....looks like its not.

Mel,

The Norwegian light show is in my opinion made by the same EM technology that produced the luminous ring seen in Moscow two months ago. See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-XljlBRF6M

This appears to be a continuing public demonstration of the technology that was also used to turn the World Trade Center to dust. I believe that a very scaled up version of this technology could also be used to put a protective shield around the Earth to deflect cosmic rays.

Paul
Now that is some pretty solid information and opinion from a Scientist in the field.
Thanks for that information :thumb_yello: Thank you too Mel

waitinginthewings 12-10-2009 09:25 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
whoa....did you guys not read my post above....re Dr. LaViolette?

chelmostef 12-10-2009 09:26 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Ok my 2 pennys worth, Going to fast, I have just jumped from page 6 but couldn't resist jumping to 12 so if you have fixed the problem fine. It your tag at the bottem of your posts that pushing every thing across. 2nd: If it was a missle the spiral would have been blown away in any sort of wind, now if the wind was anything less then 0.5 on the boufont then maybe there is a chance.. So simply to say we need to check out the weather on said day... If it was windy then I would say there is no chance Of it being a missle...

I do think if there was love being sent to the earth what better way to couteract that than to say its a missle, to spread a fear factor... Either way I havent made up my mind yet which one im going for.. But I do like the idea of love being sent to us :)

Like is neither fact or truth..

stef

Kra 12-10-2009 09:29 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Please do not attack each other. I too am open to other possibilities... we invetigate together and share the info. We are on the same side.

waitinginthewings 12-10-2009 09:29 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chelmostef (Post 197002)
Ok my 2 pennys worth, Going to fast, I have just jumped from page 6 but couldn't resist jumping to 12 so if you have fixed the problem fine. It your tag at the bottem of your posts that pushing every thing across. 2nd: If it was a missle the spiral would have been blown away in any sort of wind, now if the wind was anything less then 0.5 on the boufont then maybe there is a chance.. So simply to say we need to check out the weather on said day... If it was windy then I would say there is no chance Of it being a missle...

I do think if there was love being sent to the earth what better way to couteract that than to say its a missle, to spread a fear factor... Either way I havent made up my mind yet which one im going for.. But I do like the idea of love being sent to us :)

Like is neither fact or truth..

stef
check my post on page 10...near the bottom.

Phtha 12-10-2009 09:33 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
The data was revealed before hand that a missile was going to launch if you choose to believe the ship logs are genuine, which I do only because I can see clearly how a missile would be capable of creating that effect.

As for the rest of your statement about exactly why those effects were created, I don't have the knowledge or science to give an answer, its way out of my league, but none the less I can see how a missile could cause it.

The reason I do not think it was project blue book is because my guess would be the media would be behind the portal theory... project blue book is all about a fake alien invasion so to speak, so why would they debunk themselves?

As for the portal theory. Since that 3d rendering shows how a missile could produce the exact effect we seen, then it is quite a coincidence that the portal appeared right at the time of a missile launch in a missile test area.

As I said before, I wish it was more. :thumb_yello:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionhawk (Post 196981)
Let's say for argument sake it was a rocket. Here is something I do have a problem with. That's the data that was so easily provided the day after. Here you are, revealing to the World all this data when this was a secret training mission. If the Russians were to deploy this kind of military exercise in the waters of Norway, was the Norwegian Government contacted? Where is that data or a statement? And let us not forget the surveillance capabilities of our government. What data do they have to support this if it was a rocket? Our Government monitors everything and yet I haven't heard anything. This needs to be fully investigated and with all concerning governments. Got to cover all the bases here and I say that in a logical tone.

Your camera knowledge is much appreciated. Are you a rocket technician Phtha? Have you ever worked with lasers and holography? Have you ever seen a launch before? And what do we really know of Project Blue Beam?

What if this missile was used as a catalyst to initialized a wormhole?

What bugs me about this perfect rocket accident is the symmetry of what we are seeing. The camera can only capture what it is capable of. What if these same pictures were placed under a spectroscope to see what we don't see. How do you explain away the way the blue light spiral tightens as it approaches the surface? And isn't there a frequency at which that could be calculated by what we see in the pictures? And how can you explain away the tear drop effect of the halo as it approaches the ground? That also being a different color as to the blue we see. Isn't the Earth frequency measured at around 8hz? Maybe a little over now. The frequency of the blue spiral can be calculated provided we find the distance between the spiral backdrop in reference to the distance to the surface. And if you have a gas cloud of high octane rocket fuel and there is an explosion, why didn't it ignite? To many unanswered questions for me to come up with any final conclusions. I would also wish those of us in here with various backgrounds that could add to this and cover all the angles. One shoe doesn't fit all.

I have no problems accepting the fact that it could have been a rocket but we need to answers some real questions here. Part of being a truth seeker is to know the whole truth and not just a cherry picked piece of it.

Blessings! :thumb_yello:

BROOK 12-10-2009 09:37 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Phtha

I think Dr. Paul LaViolette disagrees with you. There are too many strange circumstances surrounding this event

waitinginthewings 12-10-2009 09:42 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
FOR THOSE WHO MISSED MY POST ON THE LAST PAGE....HERE IT IS AGAIN. WISH PEOPLE WOULD READ ALL THE POSTS BEFORE THEY POST. THEN THEY WOULD BE UP TO DATE ON THINGS

Ok......here is feedback given by Dr. Paul LaViolette to Mel on the Manticore forum. I figure the good Dr. should know if its a rocket or not....looks like its not.

Mel,

The Norwegian light show is in my opinion made by the same EM technology that produced the luminous ring seen in Moscow two months ago. See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-XljlBRF6M

This appears to be a continuing public demonstration of the technology that was also used to turn the World Trade Center to dust. I believe that a very scaled up version of this technology could also be used to put a protective shield around the Earth to deflect cosmic rays.

Paul

Phtha 12-10-2009 09:43 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Thats fine with me, perhaps he is not a photographer. :lmfao:
As for that other video, I remember when it came out too, I was hoping to see more photos from other people who may have seen it, as the first video looks a little doctored.
Has any other photos or videos come up of that incident?

Quote:
Originally Posted by BROOK (Post 197011)
Phtha

I think Dr. Paul LaViolette disagrees with you. There are too many strange circumstances surrounding this event

BROOK 12-10-2009 09:43 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
I saw it....hahaha :mfr_lol:

BROOK 12-10-2009 09:45 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phtha (Post 197020)
Thats fine with me, perhaps he is not a photographer. :lmfao:
As for that other video, I remember when it came out too, I was hoping to see more photos from other people who may have seen it, as the first video looks a little doctored.
Has any other photos or videos come up of that incident?
Now you're just digging....come on. you made your point...we tend to disagree, and so does Dr LaViolette.

jeannacav 12-10-2009 09:46 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Hi everybody,
I would love to have it end up being a sky show that is sort of like a crop circle.

I have a friend on a technical forum who is living in china, and he cannot see any youtube videos. There is a powerful firewall there. (He always reminds us to make and keep copies of what we share with each other.)
I will check with him later today when he appears, to see if the firewall was lifted, but for now...
If you can't see them you probably cannot upload any either. so,
PLEASE realize those china videos are suspect..


I also immediately thought of the human made portals.

Incidentally, since early this morning I have felt like I had way too much coffee. I mean the jitters feeling.
Did someone say high energy?

jeanna

MadSheeple 12-10-2009 09:47 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
The missile theory is not impossible, but for a missile to create such an event there are too many variables that have to be met perfectly. To me, that theory relies on a sequence of highly improbable events that could not even be recreated if we invested billions to back it up. It sounds alot like like 9/11, the first scyscraper in history to collapse due to a fire. Too much sketchy evidence. The gov saying it`s a missile test lead me to doubt the explanation even further considering what the US gov said happened on 9/11.

Phtha 12-10-2009 09:47 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Oh for real? Interesting, I would like to know if it was stationary, how long was it there, and how did it disappear? I've been meaning to look into this incident more but totally forgot until now.


Quote:
Originally Posted by BROOK (Post 197021)
I saw it....hahaha :mfr_lol:

BROOK 12-10-2009 09:48 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phtha (Post 197030)
Oh for real? Interesting, I would like to know if it was stationary, how long was it there, and how did it disappear? I've been meaning to look into this incident more but totally forgot until now.
Talking about her post silly :mfr_lol:

Steven 12-10-2009 09:48 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by trainedobserver (Post 196929)
There appears to be two or three sources of light. The object or missile's leaking fuel burning creating the larger lighter colored spiral, the rocket engine creating the smaller darker (or blue) spiral, and a source on the ground. Its hard to tell as the best stills have a high contrast and could be time exposures but it does look like there is a light source on the ground pointed toward the object which makes sense I guess if you're shooting mult-million dollar (or rubles?) missiles off at night. I'm more inclined to think that it is just illumination from the brilliance of the fuel burning in a kind of aerosol though.
I have hard time to accept the idea of a rocket. It looks more like High energy plasma beam. The color matches... Nikola Tesla have written about it. It is known to be used today in military space program and apparently used against 'visitors'. I've seen some nasa video using it in space in Earth's orbit. I will try to find it tonight.

To produce HEPB you need high potential, high frequency. Similar to lightning at a smaller scale. It would also explain the bright light above the montain at ground level.

I think it is human military device, but not a rocket.

Namaste, Steven

BROOK 12-10-2009 09:50 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MadSheeple (Post 197029)
The missile theory is not impossible, but for a missile to create such an event there are too many variables that have to be met perfectly. To me, that theory relies on a sequence of highly improbable events that could not even be recreated if we invested billions to back it up. It sounds alot like like 9/11, the first scyscraper in history to collapse due to a fire. Too much sketchy evidence. The gov saying it`s a missile test lead me to doubt the explanation even further considering what the US gov said happened on 9/11.
Yes...a missile test they knew nothing about in the morning of the event. :thumbdown:

Phtha 12-10-2009 09:54 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
ahhh kk :mfr_lol:

Anyways you all know my theory, it is certainly not the popular one here but I'm sticking to my guns:lightsabre: unless someone can provide any such evidence that something else other then a missile can produce the effect that a missile can produce. :mfr_lol:

@madheep
Yes the chances of it happening are quite slim, which is why we probably never seen it before. But unlike 9/11's official story, the missile theory does not defy logic, so the comparison in unfair.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BROOK (Post 197031)
Talking about here post silly :mfr_lol:

Midnight Oil 12-10-2009 09:55 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
I personally do not buy the "missile test" story, like someone mentioned its probably some topsecret weapon or technology...heck maybe a portal...:)

Phtha 12-10-2009 09:56 PM
Re: Norway...possible portal? UFO?
 
And I'm for illogical thought by the way, this damn 'masculine' logic keeps us inside the box more often then not. But it does come in handy.


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