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One thing I strongly believe in is FREE SPEECH and allowing whistleblowers to be heard without being silenced like we have SEEN in the past.

Being banned in the forum or in the chatroom should tell you a lot.
We must keep our eyes open and then we will notice how some little things will finally add up.

I always admired you for speaking up dear Vickie.
Nobody has all the answers. We don't have the right to bash someone because someone tells us to.
We also have to be very careful in supporting one person's views just because we happen to like them.

We must continue on digging for that truth that will resonate with our innerselves. :original:

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Here is Bill's thread link on the Ark.

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...ght=Australian

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Bashi said:

"Regarding Greer:

Just look at the vid between 0:42:45 - 0:42:47 .
It gave me the creeps when i saw that bite ...

vid here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzqDVOjtNhg"



That's what I saw. Greer was about to say something and simply stopped himself. He and Kerry were interrupting each other frequently, but on that ocassion he stopped himself and yielded to Kerry. That's all. Nothing more.

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Okay I have gone thru this entire thread and what I haven't seen is the fact that Kerry and Bill both need some spiritual help here. Come on guys lets fight back the darkness and shine some light on both. Let's use our gifts to put a bubble of protection around both right now! I invision two golden orbs of golden light like a shield around them... I invoke LOVE for them both!

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Thanks Carol. Very interesting.
A mini nuclear reactor will be there?
Is this project still in the works?


The 'Ark' is currently envisaged to include a shielded underground facility with hydroponics, technical and craft workshops, exercise and recreation facilities, a school, a comprehensive library, communication facilities, medical facilities,
the most advanced water recycling technology, its own micro-economy and democratic structure,
and (believe it or not) its own very clean mini nuclear reactor which will generate enough self-sufficient power for at least fifty years.

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Yup, most likely the Ages Old "Divide and Conquer" tactic.

Don't let it happen Kerry and Bill! :lightsabre:

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Just some random thoughts.

Why not see the bright side of what has happened the past couple of days? We have learned an awful lot. For one we all gathered in the chatroom & became 'familiar' with eachother.

WE are Avalon! All of us.

I think the most important fact that has surfaced is, that if we want to keep this forum online as it is, we should take precautions that the events that took place, can't happen again.

Computers do not understand me, so don't ask me how, but there must be some people who do, at the forum.

And let's quit the power & control game.

Moderators & members stood side by side in the chatroom, which told me there was/is no power/control dispute among us.

There are 2 kinds of members: those who feed the forum with content & those who mainly comment on that content. One without the other doesn't work. So no one is more - or less - important than the other.

The 'forum-feeders' & moderators tend to cling together, because they invest precious time in PA, mainly to produce 'material' that has value for the development of all individual members & guests.

The quality of the content is not measured by the number of hits (views) a topic scores overnight, but how threads develop in the long run.

I've been working for 'commercial' tv, where everything is measured by ratings. Viewers + ad-bloc = $. So I've studied PA through my tv eyes. Which threads/topics score in which category. It's interesting to see that online members react mainly on the 'here & now' & guests tend to surf through the library, for instance.

PA has become a database/library of knowledge.

That is what the PTB would like to see disappear/shut down.

The above I’ve already posted on the ‘Bill Ryan chat’ thread as well, but in my opinion it applies to this thread as well.

I want to add something too.

There are only so many – or better – few ‘genuine’ whistleblowers around.
The moment they have blown the whistle on their topic, they’re pretty much done. When someone had something really interesting to tell, viewers/listeners want to hear more revelations from that person. But he told everything he knew, so there’s nothing more to say, no matter how hard you push him/her.

Than there is the category of ‘whistleblowers’ who sort of get addicted to the ‘attention /fame’ they achieved with their original revelation & they start to become ‘repeaters’, claiming that they are blowing whistles. (Deagle, Peterson, etc) Some of those make a living out of it, attending the ‘Conference cirquit’, & in order to remain ‘hot’, start to fabricate ‘secrets’.

The problem with a regular ‘whistleblower’ radio show, is that the limited number of ‘genuine’ guests makes it hardly possible to air an exiting show on a regular bases.

So the choice that should be made than is you either broadcast only then when you have a truly genuine guest who has something new to tell, or you choose for weekly broadcasts, where 60% of your guests are either repeaters or straightforward hoaxers.

The more often you have the latter category of guests on your show, the less reliable your program becomes.

I think that this is - in a nutshell, the dilemma Project Camelot is facing.

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All I can say is that things shall get worse before they get better, but they will get better.

http://marga.mobile9.com/download/me...t_da7w5a91.gif

In hopes that better comes soon, jacody:thumb_yello:

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hi folks just a few words.

i must say i was suprised at kerry,s outburst at bill that is not the behaviour of a grounded person.
i fear for her becouse it seems she is giving in to paranoia and anger.
in a way i can understand though as i know what its like when you feel a close freind has let you down.
it can be heart breaking and we all react to these situations in different ways.
it does seem though that there are people around her at the moment that may be may be rubbing salt in the wound and making matters worse.
any enemies that camalot have will rubbing there hands together with delight at the moment becouse this is exactly what they want.
not only is PC/PA being broken apart but the are being dis credited the process.

from now on people will use this as an excuse to say Kerry is unstable and therefore discredit her work.
this is character asasination at its worst.

it seems that K and B were going diferent directions with there investagative /journalistc tack any way.
Bill wanted much more substantiated testomony and kerry was much more willing to follow her heart and seems this had caused a rift between them.

however the heart can mis lead the best of us and like it or not its easy to be sucked in by clever people who tell us exactly what we want hear.

i really feel for both kerry and bill right they have both lost a major freindship and partner ship and i know more than most how much this can hurt.
they will both be feeling very vulnerable and upset right now.

spare a thought for them and try not to make this situation even harder for them by assigning blame and adding to the paranoia.

we will never know all the issues surrounding this (allthough its obvious they are both victims of manipulation) so lets not try to jump to many conclusions.
joel.

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What a bummer to see the co-founders going at each other like this, though I don't think I've seen Bill outright insult Kerry as she did eariler here. I have respect for both Bill and Kerry and am grateful for their work, but right now the drama surrounding them is bringing this place down. Avalon (imho) has become something different since it began, something important, too important to risk over any personal squabbles. It's bigger than any one or two people.

Bill, Kerry, it would be nice if you could have a chat and work this out in private instead of on the internet, a place where sometimes even people who know each other well in the real world, can be harsher than they would face to face or even on the phone. For the sake of your projects membership and all that it stands for, please find a way to compromise civilly.


Don't forget about that cover charge. Something like a quarter million $ I think.


:lol3: Didn't know "Eastenders" was a soap opera. "Barry off Eastenders" from Extras, is hilarious. His comedic timing is perfect, bet he's even funny in a soap.

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Where are We? See you there.....




“You’re inside every kindness. When
a sick person feels better, you’re

that, and the onset of disease too.
You’re sudden, terrible screaming.

Some problems require we go for help:
when we knock on a stranger’s door,

you sent us. Nobody answers: it’s
you! When work feels necessary, you

are the way workers move in rhythm.
You are what is: the field, the players,

the ball, those watching. Someone
claims to have evidence that you do

not exist. You’re the one who brings
the evidence in, and the evidence

itself. You are inside the soul’s
great fear, every natural pleasure,

every vicious cruelty. You are in
every difference and irritation.

Someone loves something; someone else
hates the same. There you are.

Whatever eyes see, what anyone wants
or not: political power, injustice,

material possessions, those are your
script, the handwriting we study.

Body, soul, shadow. Whether reckless
or careful, you are what we do. It’s

absurd to ask your pardon. You’re
inside repentance, and sin! The wonder

of various jewels, agate, emerald.
How we are during a day, then at night,

you are those moods and qualities.
The pure compassion we feel for each

other. Every encampment has a tent
where the leader is and also the wide

truth of your imperial tent overall.” /Rumi/


With love,
Majda

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Third party Law:

Violence and conflict amongst individuals and nations have been with us for ages and their causes have remained a complete mystery. If Chaldea could vanish, if Babylon turn to dust, if Egypt could become a badlands, if Sicily could have 160 prosperous cities and be a looted ruin before the year zero and a near desert ever since-and all this in spite of all the work and wisdom and good wishes and intent of human beings, then it must follow as the dark follows sunset that something must be unknown to man concerning all his works and ways. And that this something must be so deadly and so pervasive as to destroy all his ambitions and his chances long before their time.

Such a thing would have to be some natural law unguessed at by himself.

And there is such a law, apparently, that answers these conditions of being deadly, unknown and embracing all activities.

The law would seem to be:

A THIRD PARTY MUST BE PRESENT AND UNKNOWN IN EVERY QUARREL FOR A CONFLICT TO EXIST.

or

FOR A QUARREL TO OCCUR, AN UNKNOWN THIRD PARTY MUST BE ACTIVE IN PRODUCING IT BETWEEN TWO POTENTIAL OPPONENTS.

or

WHILE IT IS COMMONLY BELIEVED TO TAKE TWO TO MAKE A FIGHT, A THIRD PARTY MUST EXIST AND MUST DEVELOP IT FOR ACTUAL CONFLICT TO OCCUR.

It is very easy to see that two in conflict are fighting. They are very visible. What is harder to see or suspect is that a third party existed and actively promoted the quarrel.

The usually unsuspected and “reasonable” third party, the bystander who denies any part of it, is the one that brought the conflict into existence in the first place.

The hidden third party, seeming at times to be a supporter of only one side, is to be found as the instigator.

This is a useful law in many areas of life.

It is the cause of war.

One sees two fellows shouting bad names at each other, sees them come to blows.

No one else is around. So they, of course, “caused the fight.” But there was a third party.

Tracing these down, one comes upon incredible data. That is the trouble. The incredible is too easily rejected. One way to hide things is to make them incredible.

Clerk A and Messenger B have been arguing. They blaze into direct conflict. Each blames the other. Neither one is correct and so the quarrel does not resolve since its true cause is not established.

One looks into such a case thoroughly. He finds the incredible. The wife of Clerk A has been sleeping with Messenger B and complaining alike to both about the other.

Farmer J and Rancher K have been tearing each other to pieces for years in continual conflict. There are obvious, logical reasons for the fight. Yet it continues and does not resolve. A close search finds Banker L who, due to their losses in the fighting, is able to loan each side money, while keeping the quarrel going, and who will get their lands completely if both lose.

It goes larger. The revolutionary forces and the Russian government were in conflict in 1917. The reasons are so many the attention easily sticks on them. But only when Germany’s official state papers were captured in World War II was it revealed that Germany had promoted the revolt and financed Lenin to spark it off, even sending him into Russia in a blacked-out train!

One looks over “personal” quarrels, group conflicts, national battles and one finds, if he searches, the third party, unsuspected by both combatants or, if suspected at all, brushed off as “fantastic.” Yet careful documentation finally affirms it.

This datum is fabulously useful.

In marital quarrels the correct approach of anyone counseling is to get both parties to carefully search out the third party. They may come to many reasons at first. These reasons are not beings (people). One is looking for a third party, an actual being. When both find the third party and establish proof, that will be the end of the quarrel.

Sometimes two parties, quarreling, suddenly decide to elect a being to blame. This stops the quarrel. Sometimes it is not the right being and more quarrels thereafter occur.

Two nations at each other’s throats should each seek conference with the other to sift out and locate the actual third party. They will always find one if they look, and they can find the right one. As it will be found to exist in fact.

There are probably many technical approaches one could develop and outline in this matter.

There are many odd phenomena connected with it. An accurately spotted third party is usually not fought at all by either party but only shunned.

Marital conflicts are common. Marriages can be saved by both parties really sorting out who caused the conflicts. There may have been, in the whole history of the marriage several, but only one at a time.

Quarrels between an individual and an organization are nearly always caused by an individual third party or a third group. The organization and the individual should get together and isolate the third party by displaying to each other all the data they each have been fed.

Rioters and governments alike could be brought back to agreement could one get representatives of both to give each other what they have been told by whom.

Such conferences have tended to deal only in recriminations or conditions or abuses. They must deal in beings only in order to succeed.

This theory might be thought to assert also that there are no bad conditions that cause conflict. There are. But these are usually remedial by conference unless a third party is promoting conflict.

In history we have a very foul opinion of the past because it is related by recriminations of two opponents and has not spotted the third party.

“Underlying causes” of war should read “hidden promoters.”

There are no conflicts which cannot be resolved unless the true promoters of them remain hidden.

This is the natural law the ancients and moderns alike did not know.

And not knowing it, being led off into “reasons,” whole civilizations have died.

It is worth knowing.

It is worth working with in any situation where one is trying to bring peace.
Another very important factor in third party technology is false reports. False reports are written or spoken statements which turn out to be groundless or deceitful or which knowingly contain lies.

We know that a third party is necessary to any quarrel.

In reviewing several organizational upsets, it was found that the third party can go completely overlooked even in intensive investigation.

By giving false reports on others, a third party causes harm and wreaks havoc amongst individuals and groups.

In several cases an organization has lost several guiltless staff members. They were dismissed or disciplined in an effort to solve upsets. Yet the turbulence continued and the area became even more upset by reason of the dismissals.

Running this back further, one finds that the real third party, eventually unearthed, got people shot by false reports.

One source of this is as follows:

Staff member X goofs. He is very furious and defensive at being accused. He blames his goof on somebody else. That somebody else gets disciplined. Staff member X diverts attention from himself by various means including falsely accusing others.

This is a third party action which results in a lot of people being blamed and disciplined. And the real third party remaining undetected.

The missing point of justice here is that the disciplined persons were not faced with their accusers and were not given the real accusation and so could not confront it.

Another case would be a third party simply spreading tales and making accusations out of malice or some even more vicious motive. This would be a usual third party action. It is ordinarily based on false reports.

Another situation comes about when a person in charge of some area who can’t get the area straight starts to investigate, gets third party false reports about it, disciplines people accordingly and totally misses the real third party. This upsets the area even more.

The basis of all really troublesome third party activities is then false reports.

There can also be false perception. One sees things that don’t exist and reports them as “fact.”

Therefore we see that we can readily run back an investigation by following a chain of false reports.

In at least one case the third party (discovered only after it was very plain that only he could have wrecked two areas of the organization, one after the other) also had these characteristics:

1. Goofed in his own actions

2. Furiously contested any reports filed on him

3. Obsessively changed everything when taking over an area

4. Falsely reported actions, accusing others

5. Had a high casualty rate of staff in his area

These are not necessarily common to all third parties but give you an idea of what can go on

From experience in dealing with ethics and justice matters in groups it is apparent that the real source of upset in an area would be false reports accepted and acted upon without confronting the accused with all charges and his or her accusers.

A person with any degree of authority in a group should not accept any accusation and act upon it. To do so undermines the security of one and all. One could, as a start, refuse to act on any information unless it were proven by personal investigation not to be the action of some third party.

On being presented with an accusation or “evidence” a person in charge of some activity should conduct an investigation of false reports and false perceptions. In this way one can then verify such reports and arrive at the true source of the trouble and avoid disciplining individuals who may be innocent.

Justice, then, would consist of a refusal to accept any report not substantiated by actual, independent data, seeing that all such reports are investigated and that all investigations include confronting the accused with the accusation and where feasible the accuser, before any disciplinary action is undertaken or any penalty assigned.

While this may slow the processes of justice, the personal security of the individual is totally dependent upon establishing the full truth of any accusation before any action is taken.




Taken from the Scientology Handbook

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Is this a test?

I have to commend many of the fine spirits here who have refused to allow themselves to be dragged down the mole hole - picking sides and polarizing these events any more than they already are.

Bill represents an excellent archetypal masculine energy - collected, tactical, rational. Kerry, an excellent archetypal feminine energy - passionate, emotional, engaging. Both energies are needed to maintain balance in the material. I think we may all agree on that. The current arrangement (division through a central portal) may be a good compromise at this juncture, however if this situation is allowed to deteriorate further your work and credibility may be at serious risk (which, in my humble opinion, is the precise result sought by the originator of this hub-bub).

Wikipedia: An infectious disease is a clinically evident illness resulting from the presence of pathogenic microbial agents.

Cancer: is a class of diseases in which a group of cells display uncontrolled growth (division beyond the normal limits), invasion (intrusion on and destruction of adjacent tissues), and sometimes metastasis (spread to other locations in the body).

I think we all get it.

My humble advice... cut it loose and pronto. Whatever IT is ain't worth it, nor is IT what it appears to be to whomever is seeking it.

Forgive the obvious inflection here, however with all the love I can muster I must ask: perhaps you should have been expecting and preparing for this? The both of you have monster-sized targets on your backsides and this should come as no surprise. Further, you aren't hard people to know and your weaknesses are evident - you both appear to have enough integrity and character not to hide behind some fiction of yourselves. Expect your buttons to be pushed. Expect your greatest fears and desires to be used against you. These are the shoes you have so graciously selected. We salute you both for that. Furthermore, we are here to support you. Perhaps the silver lining here is that you now realize this fact and, indeed it is no accident, are now here.

You both have my support, however I doubt this is the poetic and artful ending either of you intended (if indeed one was intended at all).

Now for Ghandi:
A coward is incapable of exhibiting love; it is the prerogative of the brave.
A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history.

Breathe deeply. Surrender. Smile. Jump.

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Mother earth is shaking all over the world now, releasing some negative energy...maybe the forum is "shaking" for the same reason....

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How to Find a Third Party

The way not to find a third party is to compile a questionnaire that asks one and all in various ways, “Have you been a victim?” Do not ask questions such as, “Who has been mean to you?” or other questions which would tend to elicit answers that the person has been victimized. This kind of question will not locate the individual stirring up conflicts between people but may only name executives and others in the group who are trying to get people to do their jobs and be productive!

Anyone who uses this approach (1) does not find any third party and (2) causes people to mentally or physically collapse to the extent that they cannot function causatively.

By definition, a third party is one who by false reports creates trouble between two people, a person and a group or a group and another group.

The object of the investigation, then, is to find out who has been spreading false reports in order to stir up conflicts between people or groups. To find a third party one has to ask those involved in the dispute questions along the following lines:

1a. Have you been told you were in bad?

b.What was said?

c. Who said it?

2a. Have you been told someone was bad?

b. What was said?

c. Who said it?

3a. Have you been told someone was doing wrong?

b. What was said?

c. Who said it?

4a. Have you been told a group was bad?

b. What was said?

c. Who said it?




To find a third party; ask who has been telling people that others were bad, doing wrong, etc.


An entire group can be asked such questions, and when the results are viewed. . .



. . . one person’s name will appear far more often than others. This is the person to investigate for creating disharmony and conflicts.



A questionnaire like this should have a limiter such as “On your job________?” or “In your marriage__________?” or “In this family__________?”

It may also have a lot of answers so leave ample space for each question.

By then combining names given, you have one name appearing far more often than the rest. This is done by counting names. You then investigate this person.

By following this procedure, you will find out exactly who has been stirring up conflicts and thus open the door to their resolution.

With this tool in your hands you will be able to change conditions between family members, associates and groups you come into contact with and restore harmony.

It is the solution to a host of ills that have worried men for ages.

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Mel is the best alternative radio talk show host out there.. and that's the result of him asking the right questions to his guests, which again is the result of project camelot influence as he himself noted. I feel quite annoyed when other radio hosts get some great people on their show but then start asking completely irrelevant questions. I feel the negative remarks for him are the result of people having their bubble burst and are now looking for blood.. It was a simple misunderstanding, get over it and use your own intuition when judging people

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We need to bear in mind he's clearly on body building drugs and as soon as he becomes uncomfortable 37 onwards...His gestures and constant mouth re-shaping are him trying to control his base anger...The body building drugs don't help in this scenario especially something like ephedrine etc...He talks a lot of **** as well. :original:

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Dear All:

I just wrote this e-mail to Mel Fabregas, and felt I should also copy it here for reasons that wil be clear.

Hi, Mel -

Kerry was kind enough to forward your message to her below. My own e-mail address is this one. Kerry is still able to see all mails sent to the bill@projectcamelot.org address, and that’s fine with me.

It’s as clear as day that Camelot is being taken down. We crossed several lines back in the summer - as I detailed in my post half way down page 1 of the thread here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showp...3&postcount=10

There you will see a serious and highly plausible summary analysis. [Note that the s**t has hit the fan even FURTHER since I published that summary.]

This is no trivial personal disagreement: it goes right to the heart (on several counts) of everything that we stand for (and which you and many others do, too). Passions are raised to white heat because we care so much.

Our child (Camelot) is being tortured and killed... please forgive the grim metaphor, but that is what it feels like. Neither of us put four years of our lives into this so that we could reach this place.

I salute you for your even keel, your dedication, and for your excellent interviewing skills. It’s clear why you are well respected. Speaking personally (just because I’m writing this) I regard you as a friend who intends the best.

Re Laughlin, I was not there (as you know), so I do not know what happened. I tried to look on your private forum but (like many others) couldn’t enter to see what had actually been written and by whom.

As far as I am concerned you can forward or re-post this statement anywhere at any time.

With all best wishes, Bill

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Bill you transparency with the PA forum community is to be commended :)

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And another message, to one of Camelot's most long-standing supporters:

Dear _________

I copied this statement on the Avalon forum just now:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showp...&postcount=178

Thank you for your message and thoughts. I totally understand - as a mother (see the analogy I referenced in my post), you may feel my own pain and anger about what has happened.

Of course, we cannot bomb this into peace. There’s a lot of work going on behind the scenes. At some point we have to talk, and are seeking a moderator with balls of steel who understands and respects us both.

In the meantime, I’m just not able to sit on my hands and watch this engineered destruction with equanimity. I ask your forgiveness and understanding of that also.

I wept yesterday because I was feeling Kerry’s pain at a distance. She is also watching all this happen around her, and is helpless.

Love to you too - you are one of the most solid and immovable of all Camelot’s friends over the years. I deeply appreciate all your wisdom, intelligence and commitment.

Bill

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i and others feel the same thanlk you Aztar..

my heart breaks as i watch this happen..

know that BOTH of you are loved and so many wish you BOTH well

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What we are seeing here is to be viewed in the background of a larger picture . For example . The website : theTruthseeker , the owner was put on Facebook without his knowledge by some spooks I presume . Smokingmirrors' Les visible has been targeted with strange occurrences , some other websites such as "Rense " have been subjected to repeated DOS attacks (denial of service ) . Australia is trying to put an Internet filter to prevent access to some sites ...
I could go on . I see a pattern . Are things " quickening " ?

Bill and Kerry . You are under attack from the outside and from the inside by infiltration . You must be doing something right if this is any consolation to you.
I recently read the Dane Tops material . Shades of the taking down of Ron Hubbards . The PTB is very pi@@@d off .
Cheers

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WOW. It's really an eye opener to witness how the LAW OF ATTRACTION seems to somehow hide itself from so many people. Stupendous. The list of obvious, is long.

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Monitor,

Your post above was a good summation of a common pattern of behavior.

If I might presume to sum up by mixing two things.

1. Something I heard last night:

"Never trade away a good friend for a new one."

2. Something my mother warned me about:

Beware of people who want to play, "Let's you and him fight!"

Fred

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you are right. I read gita's comment , intended to say sth about it but was in a hurry to go to work. You are absolutely right. It is one of the best if not the best commment on this thread...

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Now back to the fake Camelot Channel....I posted "THIS IS FAKE" comments and they never showed though other positive comments have.

I used the REPORT button but all it seemed to do was report the background image.....

I'll keep trying

Peace Y'all

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Wow. So, is this place already complete?
I never heard about this project.

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Hey Barry...I often thought about this also...

Once one problem gets close to Camelot...they vouch for the next problem

It's an incestuous problem now...but in B&K's line of work....Who can you trust??

Once there is a buy in for one or 2 folks .....trust becomes thinner as it branches out from the original trusted source.

Well DB vouched for the guy and I trust DB....so the guy has to be on the up and up.

I'm just speculating....I don't know what the process really is.

The web for FOBs and FOKs (Friend of Bill...Friend of Kerry) becomes a web of lies once infiltrated

Peace Y'all

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Let's take a moment to look on the bright side, shall we? The damage has been done...not to the ground crew, but to the PTB! A dynamic group has formed around the truth-seeking efforts of two individuals, much community building and discourse has taken place, people of like minds from around the globe have joined together, made friends, shared and awakened together. I was under the impression that project Avalon was about community building, not a black-ops whistle-blower fan club...we have on the boards at this time so many tools to create new ways of being in our respective spheres...what's the prob? Getting embroiled in drama is not what we came here for, is it??

I am sorry Bill and Kerry are having a difficult time, and I wish them well. I say we stop giving so much power to the shadows, these numb-nuts only have it because we give it to them. I am sure there are those who would disagree with me on that point, but I can only speak from my own experience.

I am grateful to all members here and to Bill and Kerry-"they" cannot take away or destroy what has been created here-too late PTB:tongue2: You hopefully realize that you are NOT on the winning side...

Peace

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Dear Watcher,

I agree completely with your assessment here. And it was bound to happen. It could not really have played out any other way for PC. The more successful, the more people would be approaching Bill and Kerry. As I am sure you realise, one thing in insuring that you are not being taken for a ride - at least an important thing - is the question of who exactly approaches whom?

If Bill or Kerry looked at someone's work and thought it sound, and approached them, then that would be far more credible than if somebody sought them out.

I would say that what is really lacking with PC are the researchers to back up the stories of the whistleblowers. This is critical for me. For the latter do indeed simply 'tell stories' e.g. I was at a deep underground military base once, turned a corner, and saw an 8 foot tall alien with weird eyes etc... Of what value is this kind of testimony, when put on the internet by an anonymous source behind a fake name?

I personally like researchers more than whistleblowers. I like people like Joseph Farrell for example. Or even Patrick Geryl. Now indeed, of the latter, I do not believe his catastrophic theories of 2012, but I respect that he lays out his theories and you can judge them.

If PC is to have any real strength of credibility (of its whistleblowers), it needs to have solid researchers back up the science behind some of the more 'fantastic claims' of the whistleblowers themselves. When a man like Henry Deacon says "I went to Mars", I want to know how? I want to know something of the science behind such a transportation. Without that, he is just telling a story. And lets face it, I do not know this man. Not really. And this is the position that most people here who participate on this forum are in.

LP

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agree with this statement. today was the first bright sunny day in england in a long time. i made a planter for the garden wall and sipped tea on a chair in the garden. i wondered what plants i might put in it and how wonderful it will look in summer. i could feel the positivity and warmth flooding out of me like a lighthouse. perhaps all concerned should take afew days off once all the website changes are completed. this is the stuff thats equally important. taking time to smell the flowers, look at the sky , listen to the birds. soak it all in!! :wub2::cup:

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Hi Barry,

I won't be able to help you maintain your subforum on Avalon.. Since I have turned Avalon.net and forum over to Bill. Hopefully they will keep your subforum going.

Yes we were quite disappointed not to be able to meet up with you or James Casbolt while we were in the UK... There is a lot of unresolved issues going around regarding things Camelot at the moment so please be aware of this... Two sides to every story and all. I seldom visit this forum so if you want to contact me please use the email address: kerry@projectcamelot.org

Best wishes,

Kerry

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Good advise Barry, thanks for sharing your thoughts

all the best, to both Bill, and, Kerry

maybe, it is time, to step from the past, into the present
and, create 'new' stuff, in the pivot of this NOW

after_all, it is the future, we all got to live in

BEST OF LUCK on the launching
OF ALL the new sites

love/susan

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Erm.. I think it's actually the NOW we get to live in :original:

Like, er.. Now !

and always...

Love to you eXchanger...

K

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Hi Linda,

Bill and Kerry found out about the Ark on their Australian trip in 2008 and Bill was very taken with it. I do believe it is still viable and Bill would be the person to ask as he would know who to contact.

pax

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Re: Jack Burns and his profile: I don't like the glowing, bronzed facebook 'interpretation' of this Crocoshyte Dundee guy one bit.

Are we supposed to be impressed by his high profile friends and his no-nonsense fake portrait?
Is he to be the CIA's next Hugh Jackman? What's up with
all of this? Something stinks.

Jealousy abounds regarding this stereotyped macho alright (least from the
crappy painting), but Bill might be onto something about this latest smooth
operator. My instinct is Kerry would be wise to get away from that one, if
only as connection to him (and this major new fracture) will surely pull down
what remains of PC's credibility.

I haven't seen a 'fair-dinkum aussie' that looks like that, who also can help
organise conferences, rope a crock in his sleep, and is knowledgable about
secret govt advanced future tech, dodging invisible scrambler beams from
black-ops satellites etc... since I last time I viewed this dodgy Paul Hogan
impersonator's facebook profile. "You call that a neutrino weapon?.."

Haha, sport! What a crock....

FTR I am australian (and living out of town), and know all about 'us' and our
few stereotypes, and this kind of 'bloke' does not ring true for a second,
as much as it appeals.

It's been there all along and I can't say I could blame either Bill or Kerry for
these major ruptures, but.. there are some suspicious people around them
now, as there were when they were under the sway of the so-called 'Dr'
Dan Burrish.

It all started to go to poop with Dr. Rubbish/Marci and their PsyOps BS. I
feel PC should have admitted some error there (about his past 'testimomy'),
not tried to save face.

And then we had 'Dr' Pete Peterson, much hyped. Doctor's of all disciplines
are very easy to come by, and half of them are also full of shyte. Peterson
gave me the creeps and provided almost nothing of real worth. I thought he
was all huff and puff, and needed some quiet time on the potty, alone with
his inventions (still waiting, Pete). I can't say I believe David Wilcock really
believed alot of Peterson's puffing either, but he has other stuff to sell in
his site, reputations were on the line, and he's a shrude small businessman
as much as a 'seer', in my opinion, though his articles and analysis are usually
very good.

At the time of the asian visit, Bill was also convinced of 'Jake Simpson's
authenticity. Now it's been suggested by some he is in fact 'Jack Burns'.
There are some very good actors out there, the pay or rewards must beat
what they could pull in tv and film right now. Why should we believe
anything he (Jake S) has said in the past, either? Are we being led again..
is that the idea? I am tired of being conned by this stuff.

If you know the truth on something, why not speak it without 16 additional
layers of BULLSHYTE and fake names, please. Please do not impersonate
others or present suspect information stolen or cobbled together from other
sources. And please Bill and Kerry, do not throw these things at the world
unless you can verify from other independent sources that the
whistleblower is genuine.

I feel we have all been fooled on PC many times. However I also believe
there is sometimes truths in some of what PC/PA/Portal/Twitter Feed
continues to present (depending on the interviewee!). I have seen many
likely scenarios and 'predictions' fail to materialise even recently, yet some
of those people were apparently trusted sources. 'Dr' Deagle has also been
SHOWN TO BE a waste of time. Why keep going back, flaggelation?


I have been critical as I have read, followed and listened, and have also
been fooled and made to realise it. Now, our BS detector's are in need of
re-tuning, they are more important than ever!

I am thankful for both Kerry and Bill for going to such lengths and troubles
and expense (thanks to donations too!) to always present their interviews,
radio shows, video's and opinions to the world GRATIS. I for now hope they
can mend their relationship in short time, as I enjoyed their joint interviews
and even occasional bickering!

All the best to you both, don't let them win.

Thank you.

PS. Barry, I read your post after I posted! About the Doc's and the 'insiders', a very good call.

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Jake or whoever he is, is what I call a "smooth operator". Watch out Kerry!

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A simple misunderstanding ? Says who ?

I have a copy of the full blog which I copied yesterday before it was conviently erased. Why was it erased ?

The blog was not part of an interview, you are wrong......So read the words before you insinuate anything. So he didnt get this information by asking the right question.

I myself, pride myself with telling the truth and seeking the truth.

I'm sorry that this came out, I admired Mel for the work he does.

I seen another side of him when he came down and let his temper fly all over a member here that simply asked a question. That particular member is one that Bill knows quite well and I would hope that Bill realizes who is friends are and understand that his friend was actually shaking pretty bad over what happened and shaking for quite a long time Would be nice for Bill to contact that person and see for himself

So by saying we need to use our own intuition before judging someone.................goes both ways.


I do not follow a trend of people that is going ot just agree to agree . I will only agree if its the right thing to do.