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thnx chris,
I would like to develop a bit the "no ego state of perception" ... it comes in a natural way, many of us experienced that state many times in life, it's like when you feel hungry, and you eat and then feel peace because you don't feel hungry any more ... ego feeds in the same way, it is hungry and you feed it ... desires is the name of the beeing "hungry", feeding desires will give peace, for a while but wile not stop the desire to come back ... until your undertsand in yourself how the ego/engine works and stop it by yourself... your start reflecting inyourself of the engine when you meet with suferance .. suferance appears when you can't feed your desire, something is going wrong, you just can't get it, and your ego make you do anything to have it, this is sufering ... that's why people kill, war existe, laugh and tears, birth and death ... So when you have suffered enough, you decide naturaly to turn your ego off, you are like mature, ready, to throw away yourself to find yourself ... life of man is so short, time is lacking, not many are able to understand sufferness enough in their life time to overcome their ego ... but all the game is there, to overcome it ! so the best way, is just do what ever you have in mind, realise your desire, don't repress yurself, let it go, understand how it takes birth in your ego/mind and how it dies ... but keep focused on the law of cause and effect that are the same laws of ego and no ego ... take care and figth your ego :original: |
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You cannot live your life here without the Ego...
it is developed as a necessary outcome of being HERE. Yes, the ego can manfest extremes.. but the ego is your differntiation in this world, from others Beings before you, it is your sense of Self... that which is Seen by Other Beings. Your Ego is necessary, else it would not Be. The sense you discern, that of the unseen reflection in the outward appearance, is WE, the ALL... Our essence is "God"... from which all arises and lives. God is either every thing or nothing at all... is difficult for many to grock... but how could it be otherswise? The source is the source is the All, deemed "good" or "bad"... every thing ends up back to source because no thing is lost. Sounds about right ... ya think? |
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We are meant to grow back to source, not disappear into it. We are meant to expand the awareness of who we are, our unique flame, our unique take on things, back to source. We are an individualization of source.
We are source individualized. The human ego is the false sense of identity that is separate from source and separate from each other. It is unconsciousness. Do we need it here? Sure we do, if we don't want to have to make decisions for ourselves and we want to continue this karma recycle reincarnation wheel in 3d for however much longer, if we wish to remain slave consciousness, if we don't care about fixing our world and want to keep wrecking it till it's no longer around, yah we do. However, if we want to take back our power and bring forth solutions to our world rather than letting it end up in a dark age, or even destroying it, then we have to grow up. We have to surrender who we "think" we are separate from the whole, based on the illusion of separation, based on comparisons in the matrix, for who we really are in Oneness with the source. We are the source individualized. We each have a Divine blue print, an I AM blue print, that's who we are, we are I AM. We are not the human ego which can not survive in Being, instead needs to be living in the past or the future, cannot accept the BEing Now. No need for human ego in the Now. No need for human ego with full consciousness Now. The Eternal Now is reality where you and I are infinite potentiality. |
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Me thinks that the Ego dies with the death of the transient body, IS the transient self, temperal... that part of us, the personality- ego runs ...
The true substance of our being has no self & is eternal< without face>or name or station. Ego is transient here, now.. so strut your stuff as Ego is extremely aware of itself as a self, separate, isolated being !... it's all you have while you are individuated here as a body! Death is all about that - Ego transient self perception. zip gone nada. I think that it just might be the ultimate of mercy... you're here then you're gone and don't know the difference. There is no justice... only Mercy. You die and your self awareness is gone and what is left is eternal and is none of our business. It's late and I just entertained myself... g'nite. |
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However All I can say that every enlightened being who has live on this earth functioned ego less after the transformation. My own experience is that having had a large ego, as my ego diminshed, through reading books by those who transcended the ego and doing as sugested, I became more free of fear, more alive, more what I really am. Its like being released from a prison. When the ego is fully in charge you dont even know you have one. Self esteem is different. Honestly the ego is not necessary to experience life fuly, in fact quite the reverse. It limits you greatly. Regards Chris |
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I think this would apply here:
Eckhart Tolle says The mind is a superb instrument if used rightly. Used wrongly, however, it becomes very destructive. It is not so much that you use your mind wrongly- you usually don't use it at all. It uses you. You believe that you ARE your mind. This is the delusion. Love always, Bushycat |
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After the ego is transcended you still have a mind, I think I mentioned it in an earlier post, its called the working mind. Its a very complex subject. Dr David Hawkins wrote about 300 pages on the subject. Eckhart Tolle keeps it simple and in away it is. If we stay present in the NOW the ego cant exist, it needs past and future to survive. Ive been fortunate to have been at two of his seminers and one weekend retreat at Findhorn. By an amazing coincidence he and Kim his partner were at the same small Bed and Breakfast and three of us share the breakfast table with them, a lovely humble person, very attentive to Kim, a gentleman. We spent over an hour talking with them. Thats my spiritual ego telling you this. :mfr_lol: Be happy. Chris |
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Greybeard, What a blessing!!! He is a very beautiful soul. I've seen the Findhorn retreat he did on video, he is quite the comedian. Love, Kriya |
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The egoic thoughts just appear, I did not ask for them.
Then the problem occours if I identify with them. They can be very seductive. If I buy into them, make them my thoughts and act upon them then karma arises. I have choice, free will. If I realise what is happening, higher mind clicks in and I can make a quality choice of action or non action. Consequences are then of a different nature. Classic example is Ghandi. A man of integrity, non violence, humility, yet he overcame immense odds to free India from British rule. Chris |
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It is very interesting, this ego. The little joking about "spiritual ego" was a very clever pun, I thought. There is really no such thing. Or perhaps you were just carrying on with discertation on ego and it had nothing to do with breakfast with ET. I'll dwell on it further later. It really is a thoughtful and interesting thread. Thank you. Sincerely, BC |
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Id forgotten about the prvious thread so it was a generality. I just woke up with the last post in mind so that was that. Intention is the deciding factor. Its ok to have a pride in genuine achievement. A world champion can say that fact, because its true. If the intention is to become the "BIG MAN" then exageration creeps in and humility is out the window. Its all quite subtle. However, humility takes you forward, and egotism while at first inflates you will lead to deflation. There are a lot of interesting posts by people early on in the thread. Chris |
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The ignorance of not knowing who we really are sets the stage for a batle between " good " and " bad " .
For ignorance of our true self breeds fear , fear breeds the need to control , and the need to control starts the strugle for power . When we started our journey onto this plane we faced ignorance and thus dichotomies. We only have a vague idea of who we really are in essence. “Not knowing who we are” is the incentive behind change, growth and expansion in our universe. The end of your journey will be that you have become larger than good and evil, light and dark. You will have created a third energy, the Christ energy, which embraces and transcends both. Your earthly cycle of lives ends when the game of duality no longer has a hold on you. It is essential to the dualistic game that you identify yourself with a particular position in the playfield of polarities. You identify yourself with being poor or rich, famous or humble, man or woman, hero or villain. It really doesn’t matter that much which part you are playing. As long as you feel one with the actor on the stage, duality still has a firm grip on you. This is not wrong of course. In a sense it was meant to be that way. You were meant to forget about your true self. To experience all the aspects of duality, you were meant to narrow your consciousness down to a particular role in the drama of earth life. And you played it well. You got so caught up with your roles that you totally forgot about the aim and purpose of going through this cycle of lives to begin with. You were so forgetful about yourself that you took the games and dramas of duality to be the only reality there is. Characteristics of the duality game 1) Your emotional life is essentially unstable. There is no emotional anchor present, since you are always in the “up” or “down” side of a particular mood. 2) You are intensely involved with the outer world. It is very important to you how other people judge you. Your self-esteem depends on what the outer world (society or your loved ones) mirrors back to you about who you are. 3) You have strong opinions about what’s good and what’s bad. Being judgmental gives you a sense of security. Life is so well organized when one divides actions, thoughts or people into right and wrong. Common to all these characteristics is that in all you do or feel, you are not really there. Your consciousness resides in the outer layers of your being where it is driven by fear-oriented patterns of thought and behavior. By going within and making contact with the hidden, suppressed parts of yourself, you are becoming more present. Your consciousness is rising above the fear-motivated patterns of thought and behavior that you have taken for granted for such a long time. It is taking responsibility for itself. Characteristics of releasing duality 1) You listen to the language of your soul which speaks to you through your feelings. 2) You act upon this language and create the changes your soul wishes you to make. 3) You value quiet time alone, for only in silence can you hear the whispers of your soul. 4) You question the authority of thought patterns or rules of behavior which block the free expression of your true inspiration and aspirations. The turning point in letting go of duality Your earthly cycle of lives draws to a close when your consciousness is able to hold all the experiences of duality in its hand, while remaining centered and fully present. As long as you identify with one aspect of duality rather than another (with light as opposed to dark, with rich as opposed to poor etc.), your consciousness is on a swing. This center is the exit point for the karmic cycle. The predominant feeling tones in this center are stillness, compassion and quiet joy. Greek philosophers had premonitions of this state which they called ataraxia: imperturbability. Judgment and fear are the energies that most take you off-center. As you release these energies more and more, you become more quiet and open inside. You truly enter another world, another plane of consciousness. Releasing the grip of duality takes time. Unraveling all the layers of darkness (un-consciousness) is a gradual process. Yet once you embark upon this road, the road to the inner Self, you are slowly distancing yourself from the game of duality. When you have tasted the true meaning of ataraxia, the turning point is taken. When you have felt the silent yet all-pervading joy of simply being with yourself, you will know that that is what you’ve been looking for all along. You will go inward time and again to experience this peace inside. You will not shy away from worldly enjoyment. But you will have found an anchor of divinity within yourself, and you will experience the world and all its beauty from that state of bliss. When there is peace and joy in your heart, the things and people you meet will give you peace and joy. From the Lightworkers series : the teachings of Yeshua http://www.jeshua.net/ The entire story of the ego stems entirely upon not knowing who we really are . We are divine sparks of Light animated by Love that has no bounderies . The moment we experience this the ego fades away and we step out of the realm of dichotomies ,linear time , judgement and fear. The ego may have served us during our journey out of ignorance but once self realization is attained we will have outgrown it and only pure Love and compassion will remain. Love Always mudra |
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Anything that is transient and of form is not who we truly are.
We are formless, manifest into form for the brief period of this assumed identity. We are not the ego because it is changing its point of view all the time, however we are responsible for what it does, so to speak. Its not an enemy just self centered. We are all born into this life with one, it comes with the body and if we do not wish to return here and wish to move on then we need to transcend it, wish it well and surrender it to our creator. We will not have a harmonous peacful world whilst we are ego driven. The ego is materialistic and uses force where ever necessary to get what it wants, Self is Power and dosent need to. Gravity dosent make the apple fall its just a natural consequence of its power. Gandi freed India from the British without force. The book "Power versus Force" by Dr David Hawkins is an eye opener an Aha!!! moment All wars ( and they have been going since forever it seems) have been fought from the egoic point of I want. This will continue unless enough people have a raised spiritual energy. One definition of madness is doing the same thing and expecting different results. We need to begin to act different to be different, to get a different world, or it will be the same old story. ie self destruct. Disagreement tends to come from. " Im right therefore your wrong" Its ok for people to have different points of view, I dont mind people disagreeing with me, Id prefer they are not disagreeable, which is a different ball game alltogether. We can live in harmony with our differences, can we not? . I may well be wrong but I see spiritual evolution as a process. A person may come from apathy into anger, that is a step forward, pride may follow. There may develope an interest in self improvment and genuine pride of achievement, positive thinking books may be read, there is a realisation that sucess is only possible with the assistance of others, spiritual search may start. Bravery may conquer fear, eventually there is the realisation that bravery and fear are largly emotions-- points of perception, then they come progessivly redundant as they are seen as duality and realy meaningless, an arbitary viewpoint. One mans ceiling another mans floor. ie they mean different things to different people. A lion tamer might be ok with lions and frightened of mice. There is the realisation that breathing happens by it self and many other things too, so one just does things without the need for self esteem, doing is a natural function, The ego can make the simplest things into a big deal, look at me Im special stuff, look at what I did. The ego restricts, sets limits where there are none. The ego is just the buying into,identifying with the "Me story in our head" all the I am this I am that, I believe this I believe that. All belief systems and constructs change over time, what we truly are is constant and unchanging, the presence within our mortal coil. Eventually we evolve to the point where we realise that we are the indweller, the presence within, pure awareness. All that said one has to go through the process starting where they are at. Be kind to all life including your own Rgards Chris |
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Consciousness evolving: infant stage, maturity, old age If we look at the development of soul consciousness after it is born as an individual unit, it roughly goes through three inner stages. These stages are there independent of the particular plane of reality (planet, dimension, star system) that consciousness chooses to inhabit or experience. 1) The stage of innocence (paradise) After souls are born as individual units of consciousness, they leave the oceanic state of oneness which they remember as blissful and totally safe. They then go on to explore reality in a whole new way. They slowly grow more aware of themselves and the way in which they are unique in comparison with their fellow travelers. They are very receptive and sensitive at this stage, like a young child who looks at the world with wide open eyes, expressing curiosity and innocence. This stage may be called paradisiacal, since the experience of oneness and safety is still fresh in the memory of the newborn souls. They are still close to home 2) The stage of ego As their journey continues, the memory of home fades while they immerse themselves in different types of experiences. Everything is new in the beginning and everything is uncritically absorbed at the infant stage. A new stage sets in when the young soul starts to experience itself as the focal point of its world. It then truly starts to realize that there is such a thing as “me” and “other.” It starts to experiment with how it can influence its environments by acting upon this realization. The very notion of doing something that stems from your own consciousness is new. Before there was a more or less passive taking in of what flows by. Now there is a growing sense within the soul of its power to exert influence on what it experiences. This is the start of the ego stage. The ego originally represents the ability to use your will to affect the outer world. Please note that the original function of the ego is simply that which enables the soul to experience itself fully as a separate entity. This is a natural and positive development within the evolution of the soul. The ego is not “bad” in and of itself. It does however tend to be expansive or aggressive. When the newborn soul discovers its ability to influence its environment, it falls in love with the ego. Deep down, there still is a painful memory within the now maturing soul; it remembers home, it remembers paradise lost. The ego seems to hold an answer to this pain, this homesickness. It seems to enable the soul to actively get a grip on reality. It intoxicates the still young soul with the illusion of power. The ego stage is an unrestricted exploration of the area of power: of winning, losing, struggling, dominating, manipulating, of being the offender and being the victim. Power is the energy that most opposes oneness. By exerting power, you isolate yourself from “the other.” 3) The stage of “second innocence” (enlightenment) We distinguished a third stage in the development of soul consciousness above: the stage of enlightenment, “second innocence” or old age. The soul enter a transformation phase which we will describe by distinguishing the following steps: 1.Being unsatisfied by what ego based consciousness has to offer you, longing for “something else:” the beginning of the end. 2.Becoming aware of your ties to ego based consciousness, recognizing and releasing the emotions and thoughts that go with it: the middle of the end. 3.Letting the old ego based energies inside you die, throwing off the cocoon, becoming your new self: the end of the end. 4.The awakening of a heart based consciousness within you, motivated by love and freedom; helping others making the transition. These four steps mark the transition from ego based to heart based consciousness. One may compare these stages metaphorically with infancy, maturity and old age. The stage of ego based consciousness is a natural stage in the journey of the soul. Actually it involves the full exploration of one aspect of the soul’s being: the will. Your will constitutes the bridge between the inner and the outer world. The will is that part of you that focuses your soul’s energy into the material world. The will may be inspired by the desire for power or by the desire for oneness. This depends on the state of your inner awareness. When a soul reaches the end of the ego stage, the will becomes more and more an extension of the heart. The ego or the personal will is not destroyed but it is flowing in accordance with the heart’s wisdom and inspiration. At this point the ego joyfully accepts the heart as its spiritual guide. The natural wholeness of the soul is restored. Taken from Lightworker II http://www.jeshua.net/ Love Always mudra |
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Thanks Mudra
a very valuable addition to the thread. Kindness to all life including our own is all that is neceesary. Chris |
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Human beings are an evolutionary species, so whats next?
The ego is being transcended in my view and we are moving into a new species which Dr David Hawkins calls "Homospiritus" Is this so? Well we will just have to wait and see -- smiling. Chris |
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In completely realizing we are in essence the soul, the divine Light within we start to live and see from the Heart .And as we do I feel many words will completely disappear from our vocabulary .
We will talk less and feel more . The universe will be filled by a Loving presence creating a symphony of hearts encompassing all that is. I feel Love unconditional is the next step in our evolutionary process. Our perception of time itself will change as living by the soul presence is living in the Now . Love Always mudra |
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Yes I believe this to be true. In order to evolve, although this is a misnomer, and is in fact an act of rememberance, we must encompass unconditional love and oneness, which is the opposite of ego, as it see's itself as seperate (eg the small sense of self). Love, Kriya |
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Its a strange fact we are evolving to be what we are all-ready. --No wonder people get confused with conversation on the spiritual. No mind--- never mind. Smiling. Chris |
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That indicates to me. Also when I get into a serene undulating mode ego disappears. "I am special" is ego. "I am special like everyone else" is not ego. Gnosis |
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Something to be aware of is that as enlightenment approaches there will be a final temptation and many others before the final door is reached.
In the case of Dr David Hawkins it was along the lines of. " Now that you are beyond personal karma all power is yours own it" He describes this as Luciferic temptation. At this point he says yes you are beyond personal karma but not cosmic karma. Jesus was also tempted in a similar way. Hawkins found this temptation relatively easy to resist. Power who needs it, who wants the responsibility, was his response. We are not co-creators with God ,co is tandem with and implies duality. We have as a divine part of God the seed of creation, to be clear God creates through us. We have unique God given potential and can create through that but within the confines only of that potential, moment to moment. The trouble with giving a small part of information is that context is lost so that it it loses value and leads to misunderstanding. A corner torn of a Rembrandt painting is not the painting. I can only point to the teaching of Dr David Hawkins or other enlightened beings. My ego is still work in progress. Chris |
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Hi - I'm new to this thread - great topic.
I've read the previous posts and very much agree with 14 Chakras view re: the ego being the illusion of a separate self. As to what causes the sense of separateness, I see this arising (perhaps inevitably to some extent) from the identification of consciousness with the body - since people's bodies are in fact separate and distinct. It's interesting to consider how this illusion of separateness get created and maintained. It seems that consciousness gets 'localized' in associating with a particular body and then this localization gets entrained and the sense of separateness becomes habitual. Such entrained localization would also tend to obscure an awareness of the inherent unboundedness of consciousness. Considering the ego (illusion of a separate self) in this way, the question of how to transcend the ego would be framed as how to release consciousness from its entrained identification with a particular body, thereby allowing it to realize its inherent unboundedness. What would the experience of such release be like? There have been several references to the guru/disciple relationship and encounters with realized people (David Hawkins, Eckhart Tolle). One of my favourite accounts is posted at the website of Thomas Ashley-Farrand - a western Vedic priest who teaches mantra meditation. In his book, True Stories of Spiritual Power (2001), Thomas describes a remarkable encounter, which occurred around 1975 when he was 35. He had been meditating for about two years at the time. He was doing temp work for a consulting firm and was assigned to the U.S. Dept of Labor in Washington DC to help them reconcile their property book. Shortly after arriving, he found himself among the whitest of white hats - a mutually-telepathic group of employees who proceeded to disclose that they knew his every thought and feeling. They also had remarkable healing powers. In fact, the purpose of the encounter seems to have been to clear certain blockages from his nervous system (and restructure his worldview!). Although he had been hired for two weeks, he was told at the end of the first week that the assignment was complete and he never saw them again. The account is similar to the meeting between Jesus and the Samaritan woman at Jacob's well (John 4) where Jesus disclosed to the woman that he knew her marital history (she went back to her town and said "Come, see a man who told me everything I ever did" Jn 4:29). In Thomas's case, the entrainment would be to a transcendent communalization that would indeed definitively dispel the illusion of a separate self. I am familiar with Thomas's work, have spoken with him, and believe this account is credible. "Very Civil Servants" - http://www.sanskritmantra.com/laser.htm _______________ |
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Thank you Synaxis.
It is as you say in part down to identification with the body. The story you tell is very interesting. Its all levels of understanding linked to spiritual vibration. Its a bit like children in school are first taught the alphabet then words then sentences. Higher english, geometry, algebra would be meaningless at that time. Ultimate truth ---- Only God is. Try telling that to an egoic consciousness. Thanks Chris |
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I suggest, that the key in overcoming ego, is NEVER being there. There is always More, infinitely More. We can get to a certain stage, and think we are there, write books, good books, teach help, but are we really there?
No. We're never there. There is always More. Often we teach from our current level of consciousness, which may in fact be more enlightened than the average, but as soon as we are a teacher and no longer a student, we are no longer in the River of Life, we are no longer in the River of More. The temptations never cease. The test do not stop. As long as we are in a body, we can continue to progress in consciousness and we will continuously be tested and tempted along the Way. The test and temptations surely become more subtle, but they take us higher when we pass, we Be More. So I do suggest this does apply to those who are teaching at this time including authors named in this thread. We are all students of More even the teachers, as they are only truly teachers, if they are still students. |
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I have this question for you, or for anyone else, if we are not co-creators then where does evil come from? Why is there suffering? Where do perverse creations come from? Did God create them all? Curious what your take is, and again, we agree on much, just a good point for discussion my friends. :) |
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the ego ... desires us only as teachers ... but we are greater than that ... the greater ... is the student ... the observer ... within our adult physicality ... and our adult mentality ... we should never forget the child within us ... for it is the child ... whom transcends ego ... the child ... is open hearted and allows for ... continued learning ... at any given point ... the ego ... can try to convince us ... we have attained the peak of what there is to know ... but no ... the student within ... never ceases to exist ... as beings of all that is ... of creation ... our light continuously grows brighter ... we should always remember ... the purity of the child within ... for within our inner child ... there is absence of ego ... :wub2: we |
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Power is a Divine Flame. Creation begins with Power. Power when it is not balanced with Love and Wisdom is not Pure and results in a very unbalanced world indeed. However, one of the biggest problems the world faces literally, is that spiritual people, those with the Love and Wisdom, refuse to take back their Power, and leave it to those who have no Wisdom or Love to run the world for them. The Power of God is the Power of our Divine Flame within, our very own divine flame. The ego thinks that we are separate from God, therefore we have no power. This is a lie. We are an individualization of the source. Power is the Father part of our own Being. We are not separate from the Divine and the Divine is not separate from us. Only the ego wants us to believe we are powerless because only God has Power. We are individualization's of God, we are One with God, we merge with our own source, the Divine, and the Divine merges with us. We are More. We were commanded from day one to take dominion over our planet. ET's have now done so. Do the children of God wake up and claim their divine birthright? Or do they hide their talents in the ground not wanting the responsibility, rather letting the most egotistical and un-loving to take dominion over their world for them? The dilemma we face... ;) |
Potential Factoring
The Designed, Positive Ego/Probe/Transducer
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There is a vast difference between power as strength, and power as control.
My sense is that the type of power referred to regarding Mr. Hawkins is control. My personal perspective is that power over anything (control/dominion) is of no interest. If the choice is between controlling others in an effort to create a "better" world, and allowing "the most egotistical and un-loving" to take control and create a world of their liking, the "egotistical and un-loving" are free to do as they like in my book. But why must it be us vs. them? Must it be us vs. them? Is there an "us" and a "them"? |
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Dear 14 Chakras
I love the way that you communicate and I have the same respect for you and all fellow travelers that you express in your posts. The ultimate is that nothing is happening and there is no one for anything to happen to. Idras dream. Ramana also said " The world that you are trying to save does not even exist" However that is not helpful at the level we are at. I will do my best to give some context to the remarks I have made and your queries which are very valid. I think you would have to read David Hawkins "Discovery of the presence of God/Devotional nonduality" before the posts you refer to would make sense. I believe that Hawkins is fully enlijghtened as he states that there is only one death and at the final door the agony of death is horrendous as what we believe to be us is finaly surendered to God, then only God walks though the final door. Hawkins remembers normal death as nothing we just exit the body. After the final death could not speak of it for 30 years -- there was no mind to describe it, It was his karma to re energise the mind to be a teacher. He also describes life from a non duality state and the overwhelming beauty of everything. At the level of human consciousness we have apparent choice and we accept Gods will or reject it. What we call good or evil. Hitler did not have to chose to go to war, there was potential for war and that is what he chose. Many who seek power for power sake are taken over by the lower astral which rejects the sovereignty of God. Many murderers will deny that they did it particularly the ones that are particularly gruesome, and they are right they have been taken over by entities from the lower astral. I dont even want to think about it. If we look at this world as the university of the evolution of consciousness then it starts to make sense. we come in at different levels and attend different classes. One can come in at the level of apathy and transcend that through becoming angry. We can be born into a vilolent culture, full of anger and seeking revenge for 100s of years of war and transcend that by forgiving the enemy. Christ taught. Unconditional love. Forgiveness. That is the pathway to Heaven. Causality is a belief system of the ego, nothing is causing anything to happen. One however may be a catalyst for the potential to be realized or refused. For example one person might be offended by these posts which have just awakened that response which can be quite different from person to person another might agree or mildly disagree. The post has not caused the response. Much of what I have written is second had by necessity as I am not in the enlightened state so is objective rather than subjective. From my own experience there is a potntial to manifest as I have done so but by no means have I manifested everything I wanted. that was some time ago, my needs are taken care of without be asking. I think most people have the power to manifest but only in line with their attractor field. We attract according to our spiritual vibration. The more love we express the more we attract. If you want change be the change you want. We can only manifest in line with our potential which is set by our spiritual vibration and even then its not guaranteed to happen. If we could make it happen then it would. Imagine a world where people who did not have spiritual purity had the power to create anything they desired, thats a recipe for disaster. Best to leave creation to God who is Ultimate LOVE. Hope this is helpful, im not an authority on anything, just relating what I believe to be so at this exact moment. I can only point to the likes of Ramana, Nasargadatta (cant spell) Ramesh Balsakar, Dr Goels the Kundalini Guru. Eckhart Tolle, Dr David Hawkins. all teachers of Nonduality. Chris Namaste |
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Think you would find Hawkins book "Power versus Force" interesting. Power dosent need to do anything it just is. Force needs energy and eventually exhausts itself. (as defined by Hawkins) Chris |
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Michael Tsarion gives a talk at the Granada Forum in Los Angeles talking also about the ego in this video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5184878490822# |
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Thanks for this Chris |
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Also explaining very interresting thing about whats going to happen around 2012. |
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Eckhart’s profound yet simple teachings have already helped countless people throughout the world find inner peace and greater fulfillment in their lives. At the core of the teachings lies the transformation of consciousness, a spiritual awakening that he sees as the next step in human evolution. An essential aspect of this awakening consists in transcending our ego-based state of consciousness. This is a prerequisite not only for personal happiness but also for the ending of violent conflict endemic on our planet.
I pasted this from Eckhart Tolle web site Guess this says it all. Chris |
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When I was studying in France I learned the french word for teach/learn is the same word. Gnosis |
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