Originally Posted by unloadedgunn (Post 39400)

Great thread here. I have synthesized a few different "earth changes" maps I have found on the internet, and combined this with my gut feelings about what lies ahead. I have already decided where I will be relocating to, and my present house is on the market as we speak, or as we post :original:

As a builder with over 25 years experience building in a very "green" and progressive state I have come up with what I think is a very good and inexpensive design for an earth sheltered house. This is the ONLY way to go for many reasons, not the least of which is that the ambient ground temp. makes it easy to heat and cool.

I agree with previous post about the governments' ability to surveil. But one variable is that with so much chaos and societal meltdown in the urban centers, how many years do you think it will take the PTB to get to the little isolated communities which are self sustaining, and pose no problem? It might never happen in fact. I see "getting back to the woods" as a way to weather the storm. Who knows, in a decade or so the PTB might loose its steam due to military desertions, bad moral, change in the political agenda, anything could change the course of events. I certainly DO NOT plan on rounding up my family and getting a free ride to a FEMA camp, and will wait quietly to see where the chips fall.

I think that talk of bows and arrows is crazy (no disrespect intended). When you and your loved ones are barely eking out a living and you are trying to provide food I think a firearm is the only way to go, that said, it is true that the bovine ensephalitis which has infected wild deer and elk herds, makes trapping, snaring, smaller mammals and birds a better choice. Wildcrafting herbs for food and medicine will be necessary as well. Regardless of a "nuclear winter" scenario, mother nature is pretty resilient, and will always provide for those willing to look.

Gun shows, last I knew were a great place to purchase arms without going through the permitting process.

Earth roofs are a great means of evading detection from satelites.

This minimal visual footprint approach eliminates the ability to have solar panels (as they would be very visible), so be prepared to really rough it if you use that approach.

Collecting rain water is good, but anyone serious about a small community had better be serious about locating it around WATER. A couple of hours with a backhoe and some concrete well tiles, and you've got an artesian well for about 1K. The beauty of this is you don't need to have a submersible pump. You can use a low voltage DC (solar) pump or even mount a old school cast iron handle on your community well.

Clusters of houses allow you to have shared utilities like solar arrays, outhouses, wells, septic, gardens, generator, greenhouse etc. This also allows somewhat for specialties. You might have an electrician, a builder, some people with green thumbs, a tracker, a wildcrafter, potter...you get the idea. The problem is times a wastin'. This financial collapse, though not a surprise was pretty precipitous, and will leave many folks without the means or the time to prepare for what is coming.

I could go on forever. This is a good topic and has made me rethink some of my plans. I will be looking into military camouflage fabric and whether it would alow enough light transfer to photovoltaic panels. I think the bottom line is COMMUNITY. I agree that foreign UN troops will be more willing to shoot at Americans, but a close knit independent group is bound to be left alone. Worst case scenario is that the first few might fall, but it will be this exact thing which causes the low moral/desertions. Look no further back than Vietnam or even Iraq to see that this kind of unjust genocidal conflict foments dissension in the ranks.

I hope some of us take this beyond the discussion stage, and start walking the walk, because the fate of homo sapiens lies in the balance.

Originally Posted by historycircus (Post 40076)

shotgun and rifle transactions can be made a lot easier in that venue than handguns.

Originally Posted by Sol Invictus (Post 34906)

'They' have a suspected 'number' in mind, and thats 500 million people world wide.

500,000,000. Thats a figure that is thought to be a 'stabilised' amount for the earth to cope with.

Now, will they let 'us rot'? For certain they will, thats why soon will come the time of the small well hidden village that is totally self sustainable.

Originally Posted by kamchadon (Post 44112)

Thanks for this thread! Great information from everyone.

I have a question though--->
For those of us here in the US on the East Coast who are living check to check, hand to mouth. When do we stop paying the bills and start using the little money we have on Survival Supplies, i.e dried meats, canned goods, water, and protection?

I have been taking a small piece of my grocery budget to buy more canned goods, but I do not have anyway of purchasing a 6 month supply.

Any suggestions is greatly appreciated.

Originally Posted by Dantheman62 (Post 44021)

If I could ever make it back to northern Minnesota in the event of some disaster, there's more deer,rabbit,squirrels,and all kinds of birds than you know what to do with! The fishing is excellent and easy, and there is still land which is almost untouched by man. The only drawback of going to MN. is it gets extremely cold in the winter, like -20 degrees below zero for days on end. I know all this because I grew up there and also left there when I was 18(way to cold) and moved to Florida. But I am experienced in the wildlife and fishing there, after all it is the land of 10,000 lakes!(state motto) P.S. Squirrel tastes exactly like chicken! and If I knew I was going to a cold climate I wouldn't need the skins of animals because I'd already have coats, sweaters,gloves, and all needed items to stay warm so I don't think we would have to resort to extreme primitive means, unlike the indians and settlers of old had to. P.S.,P.S. I like you're quote about the queens english, funny!

Originally Posted by Peer (Post 44200)

Hai Dan,
I am sure you'll have the right equipment for you.
But what about if the problems outlast your gear?
What if children are born?
I don't suppose you'll go into the nearest shopping mall and get yourself 15 boxes of pampers and get back into the forest again.
If things become so bad that we have to rely on wildlife it is not going to be for a few weeks or a year.
It will be for generations then.

If you hear Naomi Wolfe stating that the administration of G.W.(W.W.worldwidewar)B. is preparing for a fascist policestate it will never be the same afterwards.
We here in Europe have seen what a war will do to a country.
When the Germans were finished with Rotterdam there was nothing left.
When the English and Americans were finished with Stuttgart there were only a few walls left standing.
And that was nothing compared to what is possible now.
If America gets involved in a civil war (not unlikely with a president who likes to see himself as a dictator) the chance of being thrown back into the middleages isn't unthinkable.
If another CIA-orchestrated attack like 9-11 should take place you will be confronted with martial law and it will probably be nuclear so the area involved will be impassible for the next century's.
Do wonder what the first brigade is doing on American soil right now.
I wonder if there will be elections in November.
I wonder if we will be able to make our planned trip to the USA in November.

And about the Queens English: You're the first one to mention it. :mfr_lol:

Originally Posted by historycircus (Post 47194)

My last post just had the word "c""r""a""p" edited out of it. Is it just me, or are the PA censors a wee bit too vigilant?

Originally Posted by historycircus (Post 47194)

My last post just had the word "c""r""a""p" edited out of it. Is it just me, or are the PA censors a wee bit too vigilant?