Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

Agreed, have read every single one of his books, met him in Sedona, had a lovely chat at a coffee shop- profound work Hawkin's has written.taught.

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Thats great eleni.
Ive read most of the books and had a hand shake from him at the "Living the prayer" seminar.

I have read many books but for me he reveals the Ultimate truth in the greatest but clearest depth.

A hand shake may not seem much but therafter my fear of hights was removed without asking for this to happen.

Please write some more eleni, are you living in Sedona?
You can write me a personal message if you wish.

Chris

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Leunamros

Don't you know that you should respect your elders!!

You have brought negativity to a beautiful thread and I think you should apologise.

Love,

Kriya

Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

Hi Greybeard,
I used to live near Sedona. However when I met him I was not living near Sedona but visiting. I visit there from time to time.

I have his CD's too- nice to listen to in the car.

That said I don't agree with everything he says (for example he doesn't believe in UFO's and numerous other things I know exist) so I do see limitations but no one has all the answers so I'll excuse him!

Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

Hi eleni
Havent heard him say that he dosent believe in UFO,s ( not questioning what you heard) but heard him say in general that we dont need to look for somthing outwith ourselves to save us.
All the truth that we need has been in form ie Jesus Krisna etc.
Certainly he has spoken of the reality of other realms.
Thanks for your reply
Chris

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I suggest, this is a difference between the Eastern way and the Western way.

The Eastern way appears to be fairly ignorant to what's going on in our world. They kind of just let it be and focus more on raising consciousness for the individual. This is critical to balance out the Western world's extreme focus on the material lifestyle. However, I would suggest both approaches must meet in a balanced way in order to bring forth the world as it is meant to Be.

Meaning, it is time for fully enlightened Beings to walk the Earth that are not 'chopping wood' all day! The world is having birth pains and it will need many solutions brought forth to help people make the transition into a New Earth. These solutions include government, environment, health, food, economy, music, business etc. etc. etc.

I believe what is necessary Now is for the Light to shine on the darkness. This starts with shining the Light on the darkness in our own consciousness, but then it does most definitely involve shining the Light on the darkness in the world, on the PTB, on the corruption.

There are indeed dark forces, and it is indeed time the people became aware of the reality of the darkness so that they can learn to protect themselves from it and rise above it. All that is hidden will be revealed and this includes the dark stuff !

So for me, I believe the gameplan is to surrender ego, the Be and open door for solutions from the infinite.

Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

WE ARE HERE

YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO
DANCE, with all your shadows,
til you wear them out !!!

"k"

Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

For me, I guess it depends what dancing is? If by dancing, we mean shining the Light of our consciousness on the shadows in our being then I agree wholeheartedly.

Observing the self awakens the Self.

I personally strongly believe letting the shadows just hang out, is exactly the same as society just ignoring the darkness and corruption of the PTB.

I believe it is time we not only took back control of our own consciousness by shining the Light on the shadows, but also took back control of our own world, by shining Light on the shadows that the PTB operate out of.

If the people knew better, they would do better. Same goes for us, become More conscious, and we create a much more enjoyable and empowered experience.

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Yes we are here NOW and have to deal with what we find in front of ourselves
through surender, right action, whatever works. We are suposed to act as though it is all very real and enjoy the Cosmic Dance.
With Love and rspect to all who vist and contribute here.
Chris

Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

Greybeard, It's in one of his books- not sure if it's Power Versus Force - will look through them all when I have time.

Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

Thanks. If you happen accross it great, but no need to look.
I believe you read that.
I also belive there are others in the comos more advanced spiritually than us and and have the means to visit us. UFOs.
Crop circles are beautiful and I dont know how they came about, but certainly its a credible thought that aliens created some of them.
However that almost a distraction.
If I raise this conscious then everyones is raised.
If consciousness/spiritual energy is raised collectivly then negativity is no longer dangerous.
Seems the best way to have some positive influence.
Chris
Namaste.

Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

Yes agreed.

I would suggest that while the story in the matrix is based on illusion, the "I" of each being experiencing it here is very very real. It is the One real thing is real and that is permanent.

So I believe many of us are here Now to help raise up creation back onto the Divine Timeline where abundance is made manifest for the Earth and it's people's. The world has been in a fallen state, and it has resulted in souls often becoming less not more. Some even losing their opportunity to continue. It is time for Life to move back into the Divine flow of things where it is clear that All Life is One, and that we are Co-Creators of our experience here, that we have created all the suffering, and that we can create the Abundant Life for All when we surrender to our own higher Will within, beyond the ego.

Time to raise up the experience of each I that makes up what I'S by raising up our own I's to a higher level and then helping other I's do the same ~ so the abundance that really IS, IS made manifest (ISIS anyone?) ;)

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good night all.
Chris

Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

In my spiritual experience the ego is the programming of the flesh. We are human(flesh)-beings(spirit). When a spiritual awakening takes place, the spirit recognizes itself and the power it has and begins to challenge(not really a challenge) the ego for control, but the ego never goes down willingly. I believe many perceive spiritual awakening as depression, suicide, or a feeling of less...because our perception is from the flesh point of view. Our flesh can't perceive the grandeur of the spirit, it can't wrap it's box of logic around the fact that spirit is limitless, it has no beginning and no end. It fears the spirit because it can't exist in a spiritual world and so it fights for control, even if that means killing itself in the process, because without control and boundaries the flesh is useless. Now the ego does have it's uses, instinctively it preserves the flesh so we may achieve spiritual awakening, and in this awakening the spirit gets to experience a limited existence. Emotions that would be incapable in a higher state of consciousness and a spiritual body. Emotions like joy, pain, fear, humility...etc are useless to a fully enlightened being that can do all and know all.

To transcend the ego you must transcend this limited existence, transcend fear, and gain grace in everyday events...grace meaning seeing things for what they are and not the duality of good and bad. Everything just is,be grateful for your have's and have not's.

I believe I have transcended fear, I am battling with grace, and my ego craves the spiritual power I am capable of but will never realize until it is subdued.

Whether any of this makes sense or if I'm nuttier than a snicker's bar is up for discussion:p

There is truth in everything, but everything is not truth.

Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

I don't know the answer to that.

But I do know the hardest words for many people to say are: "I was wrong, you are right." Which is weird, because we're all human and we all make mistakes all the time.

I think that's a place to start.

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The ego comes from not feeling fulfilled within. When one does not know how fulfillment is reached (that is being conscious and present) then that entity finds other means to become 'fulfilled'. This is when selfishness develops. The egoic entity then gets caught up in trying to create a certain reality it thinks will 'fulfill' itself. This leads to manipulation of others and of the drive of gain/desire. The problem is is that manipulating one's reality and trying to become fulfilled through physical reality never brings 'fulfillment', and so then the egoic entity will never feel truly happy until it feels the 'prescence'. Those things that inhibit the formation of an entity's idealized reality become things of the entity to try to resist and eliminate so it could bring back the order of its false reality/drive. This is what causes the formation of hate and resistance. IF the entity cannot fully eliminate this inhibition then it become distressed and depressed. When the inhibitions fully overtake an entity it then destroys itself. An entity also destroys itself when it realizes, but only through its delusional state, that true happiness can never be attained. But an egoic entity, when it reaches middle to elderly age, gains more insight into the truer reality. This then eventually leads to some comfort until the entity dies. This is not the end, because more lives have to be lived by the egoic entity so it can learn.

But there is also a difference, seemingly, between overcoming evil and learning. A pure positive non-egoic entity can still learn, even if it has gone past all of its ego.

Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

ConsciousSponge.
You have your own way of expressing buut that as close to it as anyone gets with words.
Thanks
Chris

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Hi yellow cosmicseed
Yes what you say is so.

A pure positive non-egoic entity can still learn, even if it has gone past all of its ego.[/quote)

Yes after enlightenment, trivial or complex things may be learned, consciousness may evolve further, there are level of enlightenment as I understand it.
Karma hs momentum so the body may still experience this.

While the enlightened entity is now free of personal karma there is still cosmic karma, so there is possability of fall from grace.
The lower astral feels and is threatened by every advancing soul so it will tempt all who are advancing to higher levels of consiousnes.
ie Jesus offered power by the devil,

Who wants it? smiling. Power brings responsability. Let God take care of it.

Chris


If you are looking at this thread for the first time could I sugest you also read the predceding pages, there have been a lot of interesting posts.
Thanks
Chris

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Id like to thank all who contributed to the thread.
Ive learned a lot.

Off topic.
Its snowing heavy here and its the most snow ive seen fall in one go in years.
Just beautiful.
Im back to my childhood and if I had a sledge I would be on it.

Happy Christmas to all.

Chris

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“There is no greater gift that you can give to another
than that of self-realization "

It is said that when 18% of the population shifts, all the rest will also experience a shift in consciousness. In
Power versus Force, David Hawkins states that a person at a level above 540 on the consciousness scale
(vibration of joy) provides a counterbalance to 750,000 people below 200 (consciousness of fear). The
divine universal laws promote our success, because thoughts of love and goodwill are far more powerful
than are thoughts of fear. They implement the Law of Love as primary power of creation, and all that is love
is met with synergy and increase.

Love from me
mudra

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Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

:original: LETS DO IT. :mfr_lol:
Chris

Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

hello everybody I have a couple of questions for the people who could answer...I am very new to to this and was wondering if transending is the same thing as raising your consciousness level, and if so how can I raise my consciousness? you see i live in a small town where there is no classes or groups for this...so I turn to you for enlightenment. Please try to keep it simple if thats possable, im just starting to drink this in, so... baby steps if you can. I guess what im trying to ask is how to raise my energy level or chakra or chi?

Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

Hello Gringo
good question.
Raising consciousness will at some point in time transcensd the ego.
I would sugest that in all humilty you pray for help first.
Somthing simple like.
"Beloved God I am ignorant of spiritual matters please help me to raise my consciousness."

Meditation is a proven way to do this.
Keep it very simple and dont look for an end result ie a spiritual experience, this will happen if you are patient.
Just offer the meditation to God close your eyes and watch the thoughts drift bye dont get involved in anything that comes up, just be the witness of it all.
To help you still your mind, as you breath in folow the course of the breath same with breathing out.

Dont get into the spiritual circus of chakras, technique, anything other than prayer and meditation. (im not saying these dont work but they are a distraction)

I would sugest you get the book "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle.
Its a massive best seller.
You can find him on u tube also.
The more time you can regularly put to reading, listening to spiritual input the better.

There is a lot of scarey stuff on the forum--- avoid it.
Do your best to think positivly.
Anything that Mudra puts up can be trusted.

Wishing you every sucess in your spiritual endevour.
The raising of your personal consciousness raises the collective.
Chris

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Thank you Greybeard I will start today

Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

[QUOTE=mudra;205639]“There is no greater gift that you can give to another
than that of self-realization "


The moment we take up a position we are in duality.
The ego loves positionality because inherent in this is the judgment that I am right and therfore somthing is wrong, even when we are siding with something that is aparently right.

We are in opposition to somthing that is.
There is that and our point of view.

We dont condone something or reject somthing, nether are we neutral,which is also a belief system.

Its a question of non-attchment.
It is as it is.

When we are in a nondualistic state right action will occour which is witnessed. by Self.

Jesus said.
"Of myself I do nothing it is the Father within that is the doer" or words to that effect.

When our pesonal will is surrendered to God then right action naturally follows.

We are at a very interesting time in the evolution of mankind.
Hawkins says that the chances of being enlightened are 1000 times greater than ever before in our history.

By his reckoning there are thirty three in that state at the moment.
That is a quote from some years back so hopefully there are many more now, our future as a race depends on it.

The ego has been the cause of all of the misery in the history of man kind, yes it is also resposible for some good.
The same ego that invented the atomic bomb and all kinds of wearons also created atomic power, safer areoplanes. Out of war came many fringe benefits to mankind.

An enlightned being is only capable of loving action -- somtimes tough love but love non the less.

It is not necessary for everyone to be enlightened but those who are balance negativity. More enlightened one less negativity till all negativity is ovecome,
fear is redundant then and great creative work becomes possible.

Great athletes, painters, musicians talk of the "ZONE" they perform/create in that state. In the Zone there is only performing/creating there is no person only the single minded action.
Inspired means in Spirit.

Chris
Namaste

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Hello again Gringo
Let me know how you get on with the meditation.
Consitancy is important. Ten minutes twice a day to begin with is better than trying to meditate an hour twice a wreek.

Chris

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Raising consciousness?,

really, people really seek good emotions, by doing that?. Enlightenment?, what the duck is that?, the epitome of an ego who dislikes themself searching for it´s own hated inmortality?. A fallacy?, none can know everything, There is no enlightenment, there is just the moment in wich you lift the veil over something. There are infinite veils to be lifted.

Raising consciousness in it´s very sense expands your limits, wich means expands your capacity of feeling bad and good emotions, nothing assured you will feel any of both no matter the technique you use. Life threatening experiences, in many senses, make you able to change yourself radically so you sphere of consciousness usually increases.

Ascension, and trascendence is being misunderstood literally here, and anywhere, and threated as an issue completelly ignore by those who presume of knowing anything about it.

Ascension means you expand your capacity to interpret and feel the cosmos, so the consecuences of such an expansion don´t gives you bliss forever, just an enhanced human experience, so to speak, wich, with you limited intelligence right now, you can´t grasp; but, eventually, you will.

That means you will be able to experience a nearer heaven, and a nearer hell, as the eye of your consciousness increases it´s accuracy to penetrate further into the infinite fractal structure of the cosmos.

With increased consciousness, new problems arises, as new benefits.

With the example most of you if not all are given here, none of you will accept to ascend, because you are seeking for the opposite: fleeing from the negative. Fleeing from a part of what you are makes your way forward incomplete.

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Hell disapears in Oneness.

Beyond duality is reality, where you and I are infinite potentiality.

Suffering is the fruit of maintaining the illusion of seperation. Abundance is in Oneness.

The source of All Life is accessible within. It wishes to provide abundance, creativity, Power, Wisdom, Unconditional Love, for it is a Sun and it shines on both the just and the unjust.

However, our own illusions of separation, our human ego, blocks the Way from the Abundant Life BEing made manifest.

Do we wish to experience suffering, limited abilities, victim consciousness for another 10,000 lifetimes? Well, the choice is ours, but Now is the opportunity to transcend lack and suffering and move back into the Divine flow of things, where we constantly Be More in Oneness with our source.

Oneness is not sameness, Oneness is reality, Oneness IS.

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I dont need any of that. Keep trying. You are still childs seeking for guidance. In fear and denial about the possibility of experiencing pain. But, funnily enough, all your universe can´t exist without it, because it´s made of it.

When all here makes you laugh, even the worst pain, you are ready to ascend.

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This I tend to agree with, however, I also know it is very unnecessary to suffer if you do not feel the need to have this experience.

Suffering ends when we surrender to what IS, to reality beyond the matrix, beyond duality. In Oneness is no suffering.

As LindaBaker's signature says: How would we know what was awesome if we didn't know what sucked. (From Beavis and Butthead).

Reality doesn't suck, it's awesome, but the game we've been playing, is the game of seperation, the game of suffering.

NONE of us had to play this game, we were not forced here. All of us made decisions that led us to this level of creation, the outskirts where the illusion of seperation is very great, very dense.

For whatever reason, we wanted to experience suffering, and we have indeed done so.

We can climb back towards abundant reality whenever we wish, but the choice is ours.

We are the prodigal son, we have decided to go out and spend our inheritance, our light, on the things of the world, rather than accept the father's kingdom. Is the Father angry? No, not at all, in fact a great feast is prepared for us when we decide to come back home to the kingdom of Oneness that is inside of us here and Now.

But as long as we wish to remain away from home, in the illusion of ego and seperation, then we can continue to do so as long as we still have light to spend... the choice is ours and nothing, nothing whatsoever outside of us, no one, affects our own ability to come back home into Oneness ~ into the conscious state of co-creation with the infinite kingdom of Oneness that IS reality.

But, as long as we desire to play the illusion that we are separate from each other and from the source, as long as we wish to continue to experience pain, being a victim, fighting, then we can continue to do so. Because the consciousness that is the Father, our own I AM within, has ultimate respect for our free will.

We will reap as we sew and gain the experience we desire Now.

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the more you tell how great we are, how great our capabilities are, how special, the less i feel the universe around me. The less connected, i feel, if i listen to what you have just said.

That´s just the opposite i need. But i dont know where to get that humility, without doing drugs (hallucinogens).


Indeed, to overcome ourselves, to trascend ourselves, we have to recognice first how pathetic we are. How insignificant, how tiny we are, and walls of text show how pathetic we are.

You are pathetic, 14 chakras, i am pathetic, we all are.

It could be hard to see with you spiritually inflated egos, but those egos can be changed with others much better attunned with my idea of ascension. Because, we all can have some idea on how to do it, dont you think?. Even if it does exists,... because i dont know if ascension happens, im speculating.

Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

Yes, I get that.

Truth is not black and white. This thread is about ego. Ego is not divine, not god. The separate self is the illusion. It is the prodigal son. The prodigal son thinks he's hot stuff, real hot stuff, and goes out to do it on his own. He ends up in the pig pen of suffering. He really is the Sun of the Father, but has certainly not been acting like it!

The school of hard knocks, you reap as you sew, has done a number or two on him. He decides to leave his experiences behind and go back home and is welcomed with a great feast when he does. In fact, the father has many mansions and has saved up an inheritance for the son and has a mansion waiting for him.

However, the Father has no desire to work against the sons free will. Should the son wish to continue to work in the pig pen then the Father respects the sons will.

If the son is still feeling high and mighty having left the kingdom of Oneness... then he will reap as he sews. Every thought, action, and energy used by the son will reap the consequences of the energy. If the son uses his energy correctly, he will reap abundance. However, when operating from the separate mind, the ego mind, the son simply will not sew rightly, he will sew the wind and reap the whirlwind. The mind of separation justifies all sorts of atrocities, but the energy must be repaid one way or another.

If we are still stuck in the high and mighty ego phase where we feel better than others and like we can do whatever we want regardless of it's impact on others... I suggest we will quickly learn our lessons. We live in a time when Karma is cycling much quicker so that we can learn our lessons and make this shift that is coming.

The school of hard knocks, which is simply the return of the energy we send out, will help us open our eyes and make a more clear decision of how much longer we wish to play the game of suffering and separation and stay in the mud of the pig pen...

The option is to come back into the abundance, the inheritance that awaits as we surrender our own need to keep up the struggle, keep up the fight, keep up the grudge, fear, being right etc. and surrender all the garbage for the reality of unconditional Love.

Essentially we have the option to give up our pocket change (human ego / suffering) for millions of dollars (the Kingdom of heaven consciousness that is inside of us, at hand Now).

In the end, the choice is always ours and ours alone!

Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

Quote Leunamros

When all here makes you laugh, even the worst pain, you are ready to ascend.
End quote.

We are agreed.
LIfe is a game play it.
:mfr_lol:

Chris

Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

hello greybeard I started my meditations once yesterday and once today (this time in the morning) and it seems like it takes me about 10 minutes just to quiet my mind or not settle on any one thought or to watch them just float by. Although when I tried in the morning it seemed like I was more sucessful. Both times I meditated for about 20 minutes.

Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

Hi Gringo
Youve made a good start.
Getting your mind relativly quiet in 10 minutes is an achievement.

When you can extend your meditation to 30 minutes.
Ive found that from twenty on it shifts a gear so to speak, but dont look for any result, that just gets in the way.

Best wishes
Chris

Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

When you can extend your meditation to 30 minutes.
Ive found that from twenty on it shifts a gear so to speak, but dont look for any result, that just gets in the way.

Best wishes
Chris[/QUOTE]



I've wondered about the 20 minute shifting of gears also for years. And that's what I've called it,too. It seems to happen also when I go out jogging. Must be something to it. After the 20 minutes there is the calm place within. The connection more complete.

Love,
Bushycat

Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

We seem to want to make things like this complicated.

It's not.

Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

Agree -- though until the ego is trascended it seems complicated.

If one can just stay present in the eternal moment thats all that is needed.

Unfortunately up till now the sucess rate has been abysmal, not many enlightened souls as yet but many well into the process.

Ramesh Balsakar said.
God gave you an ego let him remove it.. and He does.

Regards Chris

Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

for me ego means an instrument ...
you are used by it,
then you use it,
then you discover the effects in good and bad, basicly all the emotion that ego can produce,
then when you have enough of ego you turn ego of, and you enter a new world
the new world has many names, nirvana, state of eternal joy, paradise, valhalla, kingdom of heavens ect ..
this world, or state of perception is the goal of each of us, eternal peace in eternal wisdom !
each of us has is own way to reach it, there is not one way, but infinite ways ... the only truth is that when you reach it you are like safe :original: