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- In the Book of Malachi, Elijah's return is prophesied "before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord." - The Baha'i Faith believes Elijah returned in 1844 in Shiraz, Iran, as the Bab. - Bahá'u'lláh, the founder of the Baha'i Faith, was a follower of the Bab and claimed to be the fulfillment of his promise that God would send another messenger. .................................................. ..................... Zoroastrianism is the Light/Dark model of the spiritual universe: dualistic. It's where the hell fires come from (final conflagration) in the story. Zarathustra was its main teacher; maybe his role was Saoshyant (may be his name). He comes back at end times, and sets things right, i.e. refreshes, begins anew. However, the fire extinguishing, re-igniting and sharing new fire sticks is common in ancient cultures, e.g. Aztec. Primitive? Because humans experience light and dark by the rotations of the earth. From a different perspective, the sun always shines. Shadow is what crooks use, so they don't get caught - by other humans LOL |
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The following is from beliefnet.com regarding the Baha'i faith:
Belief in Deity One personal God Almighty, creator, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent--incorporeal spirit. Incarnations The prophets of many religions, e.g. Jesus Christ, Moses, Muhammad, Buddha, are revered as Manifestations and Messengers of God, pre-existent spirits (with individual souls) sent to reveal God's message. Each of the Manifestations is considered equal in stature as the perfect reflection, the infallible word, and the divine spirit of God. Bah'u'llh was the latest but not final Messenger, bringing Gods revelation to the modern world, and is considered to be the fulfillment of the promised return of Christ. The Messengers are not worshipped as equal or identical to God but are considered an intermediate level of existence between human and God. Origin of Universe and Life God created all from nothing and controls all phenomena that modern science reveals about the origins of the universe and life. They support scientific study and education, as they believe science serves to reveal rather than dispute God's awesome creative powers. After Death Literal interpretations of resurrection, heaven, and hell are regarded as figments of imagination. Resurrection is the spiritual awakening that occurs upon the appearance of a new Manifestation. Heaven is the indescribable bliss of closeness to God, harmony with God's will as revealed by the Manifestations--eternal spiritual life. The closer one is to knowing and loving God, the greater the joy of paradise. Hell is the self-made torture of isolation from God--spiritual death. Unlimited spiritual growth toward perfection continues after death. Why Evil? No original sin or Satan. The human nature that God created is all good, including both animal and spiritual aspects. God also gave people free will, and some will choose to express their inherently good nature in imperfect ways. The concept of Satan in the scriptures is symbolic for humans' choice to express the lower or animal side of their nature in ways that separate them from God. Those farthest from God are most prone to wrongdoing. Salvation Salvation lies in the search for truth as revealed by the Manifestations of God--the achievement of spiritual perfection and closeness to God, deliverance from one's imperfection or base nature. This is achieved by faith in God and strict obedience to the commands of God; turning to the latest Manifestation of God, Bah'u'llh, for spiritual guidance; study of the scriptures of the Manifestations; required daily private prayer; meditation; active participation in service work (tantamount to worship). No sacraments, e.g., baptism. Undeserved Suffering All suffering, including that caused by natural disasters, are God's will as a punitive, educational, or remedial response to individual or to humanity's denial of God and disobedience to the Divine Commands. All of humanity suffer when one commits wrong, and all benefit when one does good. The best often suffer the most for humanity's misdeeds. Nonpunitive suffering is part of God's plan to challenge the soul with adversity. Suffering educates the sufferer and aids spiritual growth toward perfection. Suffering helps people to remember God in their grief. The suffering of innocents will be greatly rewarded in the world to come. Contemporary Issues Devoted to world unity--one world government and religion, peaceful conflict resolution (but opposes disobedience to one's government), gender equality and women's rights (which does not include promotion of abortion rights), anti-poverty, and anti-discrimination. Service to others is considered a form of worship. Discourages divorce but doesnt punish or condemn; disapproves of homosexuality. |
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Hi orthodoxymoron,
If it's true that Greer makes up part of the Baha'i faith and your source of information is accurate and there's nothing to doubt the two, this could explain a lot. It could well be that Greer is using the base of his religion in his proclamations, which would explain his change of tack from screaming for disclosure about physical aliens and their crafts that have been captured, to selling places on his ranch calling for spiritual based aliens to manifest themselves. This makes his information religious based, or, in other words, not based on solid fact. Personally I'm a pounds, shillings and pence sort of bloke when it comes to people wanting to show me their information, as I reckon the vast majority are. Give me the smoking gun, or better still the bullet any time. I think if Greer began to say, "Based on my religion I know that there are no malevolent aliens......" it would help everybody understand his message and way of thinking more. Would that begin to make people turn away? Possibly. Does it put into check almost everything he has done in the past? Surely, as it seems that in spite of all the 'whistleblowers' at the Press Club and those whom he has interviewed, he is basically turning his back on them and basing his 'information' on his religious beliefs which, because of this, we can now only call 'opinion', 'creedance' or 'thesis'. The vast majority of UFO'ers are looking for physical 'beings' or nationality from space. I'm not too sure they are looking for a religion, religion should be held apart, unless of course the conference is a religion based conference. Best regards, Steve Quote:
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I have been thinking a fair bit about this whole thing. My conclusion is whether he is a disinfo agent or not, it is info and I should be concentrating on the fact that the information is closer to being released.
That is both the free energy technology and ufo/alien existance. I agree that his testimony is tilted towards his religious faith. He has been saying for years that he is just "6 months away" from full disclosure. Let's hope this time he is correct. Just imagine the changes that would occur if a free energy device was invented and mass produced. This alone would put a large hole in the veil that the PTB have over humanity. :thumb_yello: |
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Based on my experience with the man, a one week CSETI training, I would say he is a free agent, not a disinfo agent for some other organization. It seems that there is much that he knows that he doesn't talk about. He chooses his words carefully when speaking. Whatever he says seems to me to be backed up by extensive personal experience and is not simply a matter of religious faith. Whatever you do, don't underestimate this man.
Greer is actively introducing people to ETs in groups of 40 or so many times per year. This is a slow process, but it is a grass roots style of disclosure that results in many people in the world having undeniable personal knowledge of the ET presence. I'm one of them. I have ongoing contacts, I'm sharing this experience with others, and I'm still working on what it all means. As for the existence of "negative" ETs, to the rest of the galaxy we might very well look like that to them. We are always fighting and killing each other, selfish, dishonest, etc., etc. Could there be other civilizations out there like us? I don't see why not. The question is, are they quarantined like us, do they have some role to play in the bigger scheme of things, or did they some how manage to become advanced enough to slug it out with the "good" ETs without destroying themselves first? All I can say is that I'm more concerned about negative earth humans than negative ETs. |
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Wow, what a read this thread was.
As far as Greer or anyone else for that matter being a disinfo agent, I think there is one thin that a lot of people seem to forget on a regular basis, and that is this... Everyone has their own OPINION and VIEWS of what reality is in the world. Just because they believe something different then you and I does not make them a disinfo agent under someones control set out to spread insidious things. He may very well believe that all ET's are friendly, he may not. Perhaps he does not want to scare those listening whom are not privy to this knowledge? I for one think some of the "whistle blowers" presented on Camelot and other places are completely full of s**t. Does that make them a disinfo agent? No. They are just very passionate about something they believe in, or in some cases are just crazy :lol3: We must also look at the fact that what Greer has been doing all these years is trying to lead the charge in spreading the truth to THE GENERAL POPULATION. These same people can barely fathom the idea of aliens existing let alone evil reptilians running our planet or cities on the moon and mars. They would just gaff at such things and pass him off as another loon in need of a nice padded white room. Unlike people such as ourselves who can handle such sci-fi suggestions, many people cannot. And so he must approach things in a more rational and slow pace. Perhaps he thought he was losing ground and decided to tone it down a notch to reconnect with the layman? Unfortunately non of us will ever know what goes through his head unless he tells us. I think that we should not discount all that he has done for the truth movement over the past years because of a misunderstanding due to a language barrier. These are trying times for our civilization and if we all start attacking those who are doing good things at the slightest change in their demeanor we will be treading water forever and get nowhere. |
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Hi Lorien,
I tend to agree with you on several points. However, I need to add that if someone is stating an opinion, view or sharing an idea they need to declare that that is what it is. If I declared there is life on Mars I would have to prove it, without a shred of doubt. If I said I beleived there was life on Mars, the onus is less on me, as I could quite easily refer to intangible 'evidence' which cannot be proven one way nor another as they are only beliefs. People have the right to beleive what they think, of course they do, but they need to state that it is a belief and not a proven fact. Best regards, Steve Quote:
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I understand that Steve, but how many people that we base our beliefs upon have actually given us tangible, 100% verifiable proof of any claims made?
There are many out there, even on this forum, that believe things and will fight tooth and nail for it but have no proof whatsoever to back it up. Stephens' opinion, which he believes is true, is based on facts and experiences that he himself has had, or by information that people he trusts or personally knows have provided. Again, whether it is true or not, who knows, but HE believes it to be true and we should not heckle him for it. Quote:
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Great discussion everyone.
One thing is for sure I place him near the top of the whistleblowers out there. There a few that leave a bit to be desired. Lorien you have a good point. There are so many people that don't even believe that there are aliens/et s out there, and here we are splitting hairs on Dr. Greer's testimony. LOL :lmfao: |
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Maybe so but that begs the question, WHY are those individuals here then? Its like someone wishing to become a catholic whom does not believe in God Barry |
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I believe in Aliens. I believe in God. I believe that God is an Alien. Siriusly.:mfr_omg:Some of us are here...because we're not all there.:tongue2: I'm not a lie'n.
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I have to wonder when Anchor says he's is not interested in UFOs or Project Camelot. (You're a great guy Anchor on some sort of righteous spiritual mission, but this is a UFO forum, you can't live in denial.) Respectfully, L |
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I just want to elaborate on that comment..
The 'Avalon' aspects of this forum which are of a positive and supportive nature are an extension of the 'core' Project Camelot materials and not a substitute for them. |
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Aliens have fascinated me for years and I blame the X-Files for that. |
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If it was a serious question I will answer it, but probably best to find a new home for it. A.. |
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In the light of my new knowledge about the NWO and the role of Israel ... the following pages of Dr. Greers book definately put big questions marks about what is going on with him and just what are the forces supporting him... read and make your own view:
Its one thing to be of the Baha'i faith... and quite another to work in its headquarters in Israel for 3 years! Hmm.. Still, I personaly believe in the benevolent intentions of Dr.Greer.. but the ones behind/over him (meaning the spirit/ET faction)? http://www.arcana.host22.com/images/greer1.jpg http://www.arcana.host22.com/images/greer2.jpg I personaly think the religion of a person is of huge importance. This is practically ones highest ideals and goals in life.. and of course it directly shows ones spiritual awareness and level of evolution of the such. |
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I'm still waiting on the interview. It still boggles my mind that he thinks all ETs are benevolent. He's done wonders for the UFO community and created much needed awareness, however, I'd be lying if I said it didn't bother me he felt that way.
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This forum is sort of a philosophical food(for thought)fight. There is no test of faith...so to speak. You can think and believe anything...and talk about it. This doesn't mean that everyone will pay attention...or that everyone will be supportive. This is a philosophical smorgasbord...and we all have to pick and choose. To each his own.
Steven Greer is doing a lot of good...but it is very important to listen to all sides...before arriving at any conclusions. Regarding the Baha'i faith...I sort of like them...but I would never join. Seals and Crofts were Baha'i. I'm looking for religion to transition from obedience and worship...to humanistic spirituality and enlightenment. We will probably always need churches and clergy...but not in their present form and role. Politics and Religion are central to virtually all of the subjects discussed in this forum...whether we like it or not. But there is so much pain and baggage associated with Politics and Religion. That's why we're warned not to talk about it. People tend to become very emotional and opinionated. A Disinfo Agent may still reveal critical pieces of the puzzle...but don't buy everything they say. I tend to think that a lot of prominent whistleblowers and researchers have insider approval, support, and protection. I don't see how they would otherwise be able to do what they do. There must be multiple insider factions struggling for power. It frightens me to think about this. The stakes are so high. |
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Hi Lorien,
I can see your point about 'Stephen'. In the good old days people would hold up documents, would show photographic evidence, would cite names. People like Alex Jones try to do this, although he has had a few embarrasing moments recently, there's a Mexican journalist Jaime Maussan who shows footage of what he claims are light orbs, Richard Hoagland is another that puts reasonable logical evidence out there, even John lear did this in the past. Nowadays it appears that less 'evidence' is needed, just a nod and a wink and a quick endorsement..... or is that just me being more synical in my old age? Best regards, Steve Quote:
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Individual bits of "evidence" are pretty much worthless. No single picture or video should be enough to convince anyone that UFOs exist. No single testimony should be enough. A lot of corroborated testimony from individuals with nothing to gain such as in the Disclosure Project starts to be interesting, but not necessarily convincing. If you passively wait for someone to prove this stuff to you, you will never know. You have to actively seek your own experiences. That is what Greer's CSETI program supports, but it is not the only way to go about it. It's not just telepathic contact, there are real physical effects to observe. It 's the physical response to a telepathic interaction that will really get your attention. And no, I'm not interested in "proving" to anyone on this forum using words or pictures that I've experienced this. Go out and get your own experiences. Then you will know. This forum is fine for finding sources of inspiration and background information on areas of interest, but in the end, whether your trying to form a community, learn to survive in the wilderness, or prove to yourself that ETs are visiting earth, you have to get off the computer, get out of your comfort zone, and DO SOMETHING. |
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Laurance Rockefeller was the instigator for public disclosure "...about unidentified flying objects and extraterrestrial life.”
Dr. Steven Greer did have contact with Laurance Rockefeller Rockefeller provided funding for Dr. Greer’s The Project Starlight Coalition (PSC) The PSC was a group CSETI had formed in July 1993 Greer described it as “a voluntary association of researchers, scientists, world leaders and concerned citizens who are dedicated to effecting a non-harmful disclosure on the UFO/ETI (Unidentified Flying Object / Extraterrestrial Intelligence) issue in the near future.” They might as well call it The Distraction Project Laurance Rockefeller UFO Disclosure Initiative to the Clinton White House An interesting article by Philip Coppens http://www.philipcoppens.com/ufo_overlords.html Are the ufo alien extraterrestrial hype a clever cover and camouflage for exotic aerospace directed energy technologies and mind control The Roswell Incident might as well have been staged It would fit in the ridiculous long list of fake false flags If so people there are no alien threat no extraterrestrials to harm us or help us from our own sinister leaders We are left with the interdimensional beings whom our leaders seem to serve Lucifer and his Legions And they do have a mission ... Do you know by now what it is...? |
Dr. Greer, You, Me and Confernece Table Food Fights
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Excuse me, but that was the space for my post. "yes, but there was no sign that said "posting space for Ravens and and Doves only, please click down to next space"." Yes, I understand but I was sitting there before you came and happen to like it. "Well, I have had more paranormal experiences, more abductions, wrote more books, spoke at more conferences and have a bigger web site and a longer beard than you... you who don't even have a crowd of people around you trying to get your attention.... so bug off." Bug off? Insects are a part of the cornacopia of the living universe, so... "So what? So am I...." I don't think I like you (a crowd gathers and people take sides... a tomato flies across the room) (In a couple minutes, chairs, food and even tables and fists are flying among the men until the last man standing is no longer standing... He staggers to his feet, no longer caring who was right or wrong... just punch drunk. In the background, an interview with a South African reseacher on Project Camelot Radio flows from the PA... He stumbles out to the street singing: "I'm a Knocky, you're a Knocky... we all got a Knockied.") ** ** ** Paul, here, saying hello to all. I was finishing a book that was two years in the making and will be of interest to people in California (and I hope elsewhere) and those who can relate to what Miriam Deladado experienced, but in an urban context. The P C Radio archives are wonderful. The ad repeates are a bit much, though. I'm very keen on Micheal Tellenger's South African discoveries as almost 20 years ago a geologist viewing the Santa Monica Mountains found a pattern of large stones that he speculated could be extreamly ancient. I'll look into it and get back to the fourm. Great show, Bill and Kerry... and one of you knows what true classic, non-freebird 70s song is. Peace and Pie, Paul www.ravensanddoves.com |
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Dr. Steven Greer found worthy by ufowatchdog into the hall of shame
Together with such luminaries as Richard C. Hoagland Art Bell Billy Meier and more... |
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Some of the hall of shame comments lack, shall we say, a broader understanding of what is possible. Did you know that you really can contact ETs by way of meditation and interact with them by way of thought? The fact is, I was a hard-core atheist and skeptic until less than two years ago and did not believe in human telepathic abilities. Now that I've had experience with this sort of thing, it's no longer a matter of belief. I know it can be done. If you really want to know the truth and are on a positive spiritual path, come visit sometime. I'll show you how ET contact works. If you are comfortably stuck in a belief system that excludes the possibility of ET life, enjoy it while you still can. |
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I dont doubt the existence of the supernatural realm the interdimensional beings angels and demons I believe in contact with interdimensional beings be it spiritism posession magic rituals even meditation I believe the extraterrestrial focus is at best too confined in a vast supernatural realm But the extraterrestrial aspect could very well be a cover and camouflage for high tech black ops like advanced aerospace directed energy technologies mind control etc etc Also it is possible that dark interdimensional beings are provided a cover camouflage by this extraterrestrial hype and mess I believe the Cabal are content if peoples attention are distracted mainly towards extraterrestrial Something is out there for sure but i believe it originates in the supernatural Quote:
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I'm very wary of supernatural tricks and magic shows...including ufo's and et's. I just think we are being messed with...and that it's going to get worse very soon. I look forward to interacting with all life in the universe...but I think the bad-guys are jerking our chain right now. That's my story...and I'm sticking to it...for now anyway.
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RedeZra,
Thanks for being open about your point of view. You certainly have an active imagination when it comes to what the dark elite are up to. I can't really address most of your speculations in a quick note, but I would like to say something about this: > Also worth mentioning is another facet of the extraterrestrial > distraction namely to provide an alternative to God I've had two separate spiritual awakenings in my life, and both had to do with UFOs. The acceptance of the possibility of other life opened a door in my belief system that allowed me to contemplate the existence of God. I would say that my concept of God at this point is something along the lines of the Native American concept of "Great Spirit" or a Universal Spirit, the living essence of all that is. Also, you should be aware that Greer uses the concept of a "god-consciousness civilization" when talking about advanced extraterrestrials. All individuals in such a civilization are in constant contact with and responsive to the divine. This is also where the awakening the earth is going through now will eventually lead us. I agree that there are endless possibilities as far as forms of life in other realms (I'm not fond of the term "supernatural" - I think those realms simply operate according to different rules). But I think you place too many limits on what is possible as far as intelligent life in the physical universe, as well as forms of life that can cross the boundaries between physical and astral. I'm looking forward to earth being welcomed into the galactic community. I hope there aren't too many people who insist that all visitors from other star systems are demons. |
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Why does the technology of UFOs only seem to precede public technology by a decade or so?
Could it be because the nuts and bolts in the air are man made? Before the brothers Wright modern airplanes and flying saucers Mysterious airships shaped like a cigar were the late 19th century UFOs Speculations and suggestions about the airships as "a reconnoitering party from Mars" and "Martian atomic-powered spaceships" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_airship |
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German scientists before and under WWII were busy working on higly advanced technological and psychological war projects
And allegedly as many as 30 disc programs Disc Aircraft of the Third Reich (1922-1945 and Beyond) ... Ancient Sanskrit texts from India describe civilizations that flourished before the great flood that possessed technologies beyond the understanding of modern science. The epic poem ‘Saramangana Sutradhara’(1055 A.D.), makes reference to the construction of amazing flying machines… “Strong and durable must the body of the Vimana be made, like a great flying bird of light material. Inside one must put the mercury engine with its iron heating apparatus underneath. By means of the power latent in the mercury, which sets the driving whirlwind in motion, a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the sky. The movements of a Vimana are such that it can vertically ascend, vertically descend, or move slanting forwards and backwards. With the help of machines, human beings can fly through the air and heavenly beings can come down to Earth.” The SS E-IV (Entwicklungsstelle 4), a development unit of the SS occult “Order of the Black Sun” developed by 1939 a revolutionary electro-magnetic-gravitic engine which improved Hans Coler’s free energy machine into an energy Konverter coupled to a Van De Graaf band generator and Marconi vortex dynamo (a spherical tank of mercury) to create powerful rotating electromagnetic fields that affected gravity and reduced mass. It was designated the Thule Triebwerk (Thrustwork, a.ka. Tachyonator-7 drive) and was to be installed into a Thule designed disc. ... In 1947 Admiral Richard E. Byrd led 4000 military troops in an invasion of Antarctica called Operation Highjump |
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Out of all the information that we're flooded with, don't forget that we'll be experiencing another false flag event in the form of an "alien invasion". I think with the amount of testimony that we've received, and the amount of fear messages in the media about the subject, it's not hard to deduct the logic.
If I were in a position to create the seed information needed to pursuade the public to accept the "alien invasion" theory, I would need people to say that there are negative ETs out there... and I would need a lot of people to say it so that the brainwashing is most effective. Keep in mind that we're always succeptable to disinformation and always trying to be led in a direction of confusion. To me, if there are "negative ETs" out there, the only harm they can do is manipulate our free will - which the power influences have been effectively doing so far. They can't come down and round us all up because it goes against the law of allowance, and wouldn't be allowed to happen by the overwhelming number of "positive ETs" out there. But that point is assuming there are any negative ETs at all. To me, it's more likely the case that in order for a species to evolve to the point of space travel faster than the speed of light, it takes a great deal of conscious evolution - and they must have evolved past the point of potential self destruction. It's more likely that we, on this planet, should be considering that the human race is more to blame than yet another external influence outside ourselves. Remember. If you were trying to set up an alien invasion - what measures would you need to take, how many people would you need to lay claims, and what would they need to say in order for it to be accepted by the public. |
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Not sure if you guys have seen this...
I've not seen it posted... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/8186289.stm |
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