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This actually from disclose tv forum but I thought I'd reproduce it for this forum.
disillusioning wrote: I have actually had my eyes set on July 7th since May, when the first crop circle hinted at a solar storm, large solar flare or CME (Coronal Mass Ejection), that could effect us, would happen in July. How we arrived exactly at July 7th (remember the Jellyfish CC) is illustrated and explained here, cite info: http://www.cropcircleconnector.com: Earth’s magnetosphere changes into the shape of a “jellyfish” whenever it is impacted by a severe solar storm Whenever a severe solar storm impacts directly on Earth, then our planetary magnetic field or “magnetosphere” changes into the general shape of a “jellyfish”. That seems to be what those crop artists were telling us at Wayland’s Smithy on May 29, 2009: http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/s...-comments1.jpg The new crop picture shows also seven “eclipse” symbols in its central tail (white numbers 1 to 7), as well as seven streamers hanging off below (yellow numbers 1 to 7): http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/s...-comments2.jpg Both of those features suggest that a solar storm may impact Earth on July 7, 2009, as has already been suggested by several other crop pictures from April or May (see http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2.../comments.html or http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2.../comments.html). The new crop picture also shows a small, horizontal, four-circle band just between its head and its long tail (blue arrows, left or right above). That feature closely resembles a crop picture from July 20, 2008 which told us about eclipses. Indeed, the suggested date of July 7, 2009 for an upcoming solar storm will be a penumbral lunar eclipse (see http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/LEplot/...2009Jul07N.pdf). “If directed at Earth, a coronal mass ejection is harmless to people, but slams into Earth's magnetic field, thereby distorting it into the shape of a jellyfish buffeted by a strong current. The most severe CMEs may cause geomagnetic storms capable of disrupting satellites, radio communications or power systems” (see http://www.atlasaerospace.net/eng/newsi-r.htm?id=50 ). “Coronal mass ejections typically disturb Earth's magnetic field, distorting it into the shape of a jellyfish buffeted by a strong current. This interaction also energizes electrically charged particles, trapped within Earth's magnetosphere, and so causes bright auroral displays” (see http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/istp/events/2000july14). Have English crop pictures ever predicted severe solar storms before? Andy Thomas noted several years ago (see http://www.cropfiles.it/special/Interview_Thomas.pdf) “The ‘galaxy’ crop pictures of 1994 displayed Mars, Saturn, Jupiter and the Moon in the constellation Cetus, exactly where they would appear on April 6-7, 2000. When that date finally arrived, the Earth encountered a very powerful solar storm, and an aurora borealis was seen across many European or American countries, much further south than would normally be the case. Some wonder whether those crop pictures were trying to tell us, that something important would be happening to our Sun on that night? It seems beyond coincidence. It also seems to show that the intelligences behind those crop pictures have the power of premonition.” Once we study this new crop picture further, a more complete report can be made. No need to be too concerned! Other severe solar storms impacted on Earth in 2000 or 2003 (as noted above), but hardly anyone took any notice, apart from some professional astrophysicists who became very excited. Finally, we would like to thank Steve Alexander for use of his excellent aerial photographs, which make scientific analyses such as this possible. The CMM Research Group Harold Stryderight http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/s...-comments3.jpg And last to answer your questions as to why England. There is an ongoing notion that for a crop circle to be created there needs to be a underground water source like that of an aquifer. In England, these aquifers are plentiful and not too deep, however CC have appeared else where in the world, including the United States, but underground water was also present. At least that was the explanation I was always given. http://www.disclose.tv/forum/viewtop...=5663&start=20 |
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Images Jack Roderick Copyright 2009
july 4 2009 http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/s...teardropcs.jpg http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/s...9/teardrop.jpg |
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The above crop circle was done in three phases,
Phase 1 http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2...ill3/ABWH4.jpg Phase 2 http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2...ilk-hill-3.jpg Phase 3 http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2...3/P7010041.jpg |
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A crop circle has appeared that researchers interpret to be a message that the Sun is about to emit five Coronal Mass Ejections (CMEs) that will hit the Earth on July 7, 2009. The crop circle first appeared at Milk Hill England on June 21 and has evolved over three stages up until June 30. Researchers interpreting the complex images in the crop circle believe these represent positions of planets that correspond to July 6 and 7 as dates when CMEs will hit the Earth. If so, this may be the first barrage of CMEs to hit the Earth in Solar Cycle 24. Importantly, scientists will be able to directly study the impacts of large amounts of solar plasma penetrating a breach in the magnetosphere first reported by NASA scientists in December 2008.
Michael Salla, Ph.D. http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honol...arth-on-July-7 http://image.examiner.com/images/blo...-Hill-2009.jpg An article by the CMM Research Group offers the following interpretation about the complex symbols depicted in the Milk Hill crop circle: A new crop picture at Milk Hill on June 21, 2009 seems to provide one of the least ambiguous indications so far, that our Sun will truly emit a series of CMEs (coronal mass ejections) toward Earth in the near future, perhaps on the full Moon of July 7, 2009.The CMM Research Group says that the sun “seems to be emitting five CMEs along curved paths through space that eventually intersect with planet Earth.” An unnamed Australian scientist agrees with the conclusion of the CMM Research Group and wrote: Our best theoretical matches to the crop formation boxes were for upcoming dates of July 6 or 7, 2009. Why would those crop artists go to all the trouble of showing us sextant and orrery shapes, then coding that orrery with six rectangular boxes which mean July 6 or 7, 2009, unless something significant were going to happen at that time? |
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Silbury Hill, nr Avebury, Wiltshire. Reported 5th July.
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Well, July 7th is almost over and so far not a single CME bombarding Earth. Perhaps now people will stop making up insane assumptions about the meaning of these markings? I doubt that.
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Maybe we didn't get a CME because the sun decided to "chill out". However new sunspots were just "spotted" which in turn could only mean that there will be CME activity coming from those in the near future, especially when we are less than three years from solarmax. The sun has spots, finally |
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July 8, 2009
AN IMPORTANT EVENT HAS TAKEN PLACE ON THE DATE SPECIFIED BY ALERT 10. A very significant event has occurred within the Alert date period and also the defined location: i.e.: 7th July 2009, Silbury Hill, Wiltshire, England. Crop Circle located south west of the hill off the A4 highway. This is the same location where on the 23 May 1994, four researchers (including one nuclear scientist) visiting a crop design in this field, witnessed intense military presence moments before they each experienced 45 minutes missing time and........ ......within a short while a further period of missing time. Each had red marks appear on their necks and had severe nose bleeds hours later. A full account is held in CPR Archive. This is also the site of a secret military stake out which took place during the 1990 Operation Blackbird, where over these fields a large unidentified white orb was filmed by the army present. The latest bizarre event took place yesterday morning (7th) at approximately 5.0 AM, when a Wiltshire Police Sergeant was driving in his private car towards Marlborough on the A4 highway and about to pass Silbury Hill on his left. He looked to his right and witnessed three exceptionally tall beings inspecting the new crop circle which appeared there on the 5th July. He stopped his vehicle and watched them for several minutes because they stood out as odd. Each of them were well over six feet tall, each had blond hair and also they all were wearing one piece white suites, with hoods that had been dropped onto the back of their heads. After a few minutes watching them, he said they were appeared to be examining the crop in the circle, he shouted at them from a distance of about 400 yards but they ignored him. As soon as he entered the field, they became aware of him and ran at an amazing speed to the south, away from Silbury Hill. He said I recognised that I could never catch up with them they ran so exceptionally fast. He glanced away for just a few seconds and looked back to find that they had completely vanished. He became very uneasy and left the scene. The police officer was very aware of hearing a static crackling sound in the field and around him. He said as the plants moved around, he could see the movement coincided with the level of sound, as if the static was effecting the plants by moving them. He also started to experience a headache in the field, which became worse as the day went on and he could not shake it off all day. Ground research being done by Andrew Russell: www.andyrussell@fastmail.co.uk Time this report posted: 12.55 am US eastern - 8 July 2009. (Awaiting further interview) http://www.colinandrews.net/sitebuil...er-349x491.jpg Copyright: Steve Alexander The A4 highway can be seen running across the photograph, just below Silbury Hill. |
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Thats a very big circle but I'd be surprised if you can see it from the road
I'm pretty sure it would be up on top of the hill http://www.colinandrews.net/sitebuil...er-349x491.jpg |
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I think we are now "getting somewhere"
The fact that interpretations of the circles indicate "activity" on the sun on July 7th should still be considered somewhat amazing, as this is the first real sun activity in the past 2 years..... The circle makers appear to be taking a break, maybe they are assessing our reactions and interpretations of their work The next ones to come should be very interesting |
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Thanks Micjer
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...bury-Hill.html
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/s...e_1439358c.jpg Mayan 'apocalypse' crop circle appears at Silbury Hill A 350ft crop circle of an ancient Mayan symbol, said to be a sign of an impending apocalypse, has appeared next to Silbury Hill in Wiltshire. The giant pattern - thought to represent a traditional Mayan head-dress - appeared next to the tallest prehistoric man-made mound in Europe last week. Members of the crop circle community believe the mystic symbol is a signal of the end of the 5,126-year Mayan 'Long Count' calendar on December 21, 2012. Crop circle picture gallery shows more complex formsKaren Alexander, a crop circle enthusiast, said: "This is one of the most interesting crop circles I have ever seen. It is definitely a Mayan symbol and we are sure it is linked to the Mayan calendar, which ends in 2012. "It appears to be a warning about the world coming to an end when the calendar does. For the ancient Maya, reaching the end of a cycle was a momentous event, so we are taking this crop circle very seriously as an indicator of a possibly huge event in 2012." Last month a 400-foot crop circle depicting a phoenix rising from the flames appeared in a barley field in Yatesbury near Devizes, Wiltshire. Crop circle theorists believe the patterns are created by UFOs during nocturnal visits, or caused by natural phenomena such as unusual forms of lightning striking the earth. |
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More Eschatology! doh! Why is it that anything remotely Mayan looking is always claimed to represent the End of the frikin' World? I think the central aspect of this formation clearly represents the human heart... see what I mean? :wub2: |
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I agree with you. I really don't see the "end of the world" in this either. I just posted the article for discussion purposes. I feel that this one is not a hoax. The crackling noise in the field is a trait of the real ones. The weaving of the crop at the top of the circle would be hard to do so precisely with a board. The fact that 3 tall blondes were spotted gives it an extra twist also!! |
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Yeah this is the formation of the year (so far) for me on many levels.. many of the other formations haven't felt right. But this clearly is as genuine as they come. I'd love some 'tall blondes' of the female variety in my life right now! :welcomeani: I don't mind whether they are from earth or not. Beam me up ladies. :lmfao: |
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Cannings Cross, Near Allington, Wiltshire, reported 10th July.
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Chesterton Windmill nr Harbury Warwickshire. Reported 9th July. http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2...n/CR0264-2.jpgImages Chris Bates This small dumbbell or key formation depending on how one looks at it was in the same field as the Windmill. It is next to where the track from the windmill reaches the road. http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2.../P1040949b.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2.../P1040952b.jpg |
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Radford Hill, Nr Radford Semele, Warwickshire. Reported 11th July. The string of pearls formation is a little way off north along the Fosse Way at a place called Radford Hill near Radford Semele. .It is next to the A425 a few hundred metres west of where it crosses the Fosse Way. There is a small white object in the ring (not dead centre though) and another one just off in one of the tram lines. It appears in all of the photographs but I have no idea what it is or if it is connected with the crop circle. Perhaps someone more local to the formation could go and have a look.http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2.../P1040976b.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2.../P1040967b.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2.../P1040961b.jpg |
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There's 27 circles in the image above, and the moon has a rotational period of 27 days!
The Moon has a rotational period of 27.3 days that (except for small fluctuations) exactly coincides with its (sidereal) period for revolution about the Earth. As we will see later, this is no coincidence; it is a consequence of tidal coupling between the Earth and Moon. Because of this tidal locking of the periods for revolution and rotation, the Moon always keeps essentially the same face turned toward the Earth (small fluctuation mean that over a period of time we can actually see about 55% of the Lunar surface from the Earth). http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/l...moonorbit.html I don't know what it means, if anything! Just wanted to point it out! |
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Or if you only count 26 circles, I think the sun has a 25.9 day rotational period at it's equator.
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East Field, Nr Alton Barnes, Wiltshire. Reported 14th July. http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2...field213OH.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2...field204LS.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2...field/east.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2...eld2_25_OH.jpg Man made? I doubt it!! It's completely woven! And done in one night! |
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Grey Wethers, nr Temple Farm, Wiltshire. Reported 14th July. http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2...rs/Hackpen.jpgImage Jack Turner Copyright 2009 http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2.../P1050094b.jpg Image Russell Stannard Copyright 2009 |
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Hinton Admiral, Nr New Milton. Hampshire. Reported 14th July.
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2.../IMG_42161.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2.../IMG_42212.jpg http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2...MG_4219_23.jpg All Images Gary Ellson Bournemouth Helicopters Copyright 2009 |
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Crop Circles Targeted by car thieves Just to let you know that whilst visiting the South Field circle at Alton Priors last night, We had our car broken into and various items stolen, could I request that you put a warning out to other visitors, as we suspect this was targeted rather than an opportunist thief.Amanda Cuff Watch out Swanny! LOL |
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Alot of activity! I can feel the energy from the other side of the planet.
Thank you to the Ranthunkian's AKA 'The Ranthia' (The shining ones, circlemakers etc). Keep 'em coming. |
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the comments in this thread from the user egg have stuck with me for one reason or another. does anyone have similar feelings?
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i tend to feel the same way just looking at some of them(minus the nightmares). it is unusual to see how other people perceive them, almost praying in them. seeing as the user is banned this may just be a negative person. this post by dan mentions some disturbing stories that would be hard to ignore if true. on top of that if these were genuine objects of light and good why not communicate openly in the light? i guess there may be more than one force at work. puzzling really. |
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There's actually more to that post of mine that you linked to! It seems now that it's happened several times, where strange people have been spotted in crop circles or leaving them! I have to find the articles, but I'll post them here soon.
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OK, it's kind of long but very interesting! A good read!
09-Mar-2009 Powerful Message from an Encounter in a Crop Circle Location. Alton Barnes, Wiltshire , England Date: early August 1994 Time: 1600 The primary witness, 53-year old Jenny, a retired teacher and a friend, 26-year old Steve were traveling in their work van representing a Gourmet food company when they came over the top of the hill by East Field and immediately saw crop circles. The crop circles in the golden wheat were a beautiful sight that neither witness had seen before. They pulled into a farmer’s track at the side of the hill and drove up to the edge of the tram lines for a better look. They both immediately noticed six very tall figures in the nearest crop circle. The figures appeared to be wearing hooded cowls and appeared to be purposefully moving around in the circle. The witnesses were fascinated because the people were moving around the circle with their arms high above their heads and they appeared to be all moving in a rhythmic way. They were moving from the center of the circle to the outer circumference. Jokingly Jenny exclaimed, “Oh look we’ve caught them, they must have just made it.” At this stage the figures were about a quarter of a mile away. Jenny decided to stay in the van and wait for the strangers since they had to walk right by them when they left the field by the tram line. The six figures walked up the tram line. The figures were all over six feet tall. The two male figures among the group of six were wearing their hooded cowls up even though it wasn’t raining. The high hooded cowl worn by each of the figure resembled in profile the shape made by a penguin with its head down. These men also wore long brown capes down to ground level. The hooded cowls revealed these two males to have very large blue eyes, very high cheekbones and long pallid faces. The four females all had the same identical blond hair and very large faces. All their hair had been cut in a medieval Pageboy style, to shoulder length and parted in the center. All of them had blue eyes. Two of the females wore green cowls, and the two others wore one red and one yellow cowl. The colors of the textiles were muted and matt in color. The females had more oval faces and deep-set eyes than the males, however, they all looked so near identical it was uncanny. The females had all let their hoods down, to rest elegantly upon their shoulders, revealing their fine blond hair. What was most noticeable was their eyes, they remained both limpid and expressionless throughout. They appeared almost resigned, a grave expressionless air emanated from them that made the witnesses uneasy. One of the females had crimped hair and a straight fringe. It was this person that came forward to Jenny at first as she passed by them, the others gathered around on her side of the van. She felt compelled to stay in the van. As she looked at the strangers she saw no limbs other than their booted feet, their bodies remaining completely covered. Jenny spoke through the van window to the first female as she approached her, with a mischievous twinkle in her eye she said, “Are they freshly made?” The woman answered, “Oh yes they are freshly made”, in a part Germanic and part Dutch accent. In awe, Jenny asked, “Ah, have you seen these before?” “Oh yes!” was the replied. “Where are you from? Asked Jenny, while she thought in her head that they were not of this world. The surprising answer was, “We are from Holland ,” said the blond female. Jenny then asked the woman if they had seen crop circles in Holland and they reply was in the affirmative. Jenny then asked, “Why do circles only seem to appear in cereal crops?” She was told that circles and patterns appear in vegetables, in cabbages, and spinach, circles in the trees, in the sand and in the ice. Jenny received no reply when she asked how had they arrived in Alton Barnes. She then asked the group what were they doing in the field. They each replied randomly from where they stood, “We are testing the circles for vibrations,” “We were dowsing with metal rods,” “We could feel the energy under our feet,” “They have just been made,” “We make a study of these circles.” Although the strangers said they had dowsing rods they were not in evidence. Jenny then asked, “What happens when dowsing rods are used?” The answer was, “When they are held in front, the rods violently swing in opposite directions. The left to the left and the right to the right.” At this point two of the other females had just gone, Jenny checked for them in the wing mirrors, but could not see a trace of them. The woman with the crimped hair now appeared to dig her still covered arm deep inside her cape. “I have something to show you,” She told Jenny. Jenny put her hand out of the van window pinching her finger and thumb in anticipation to pick up whatever she was about to receive. “No, open your palm,” came the reply. She obediently opened her hand revealing her palm. Quickly the stranger’s hand darted out of her sleeve as she pulled something out from within her cloak. It was a very rapid darting movement, but in that time she noticed that the fingers were extremely long and without an obvious thumb. A piece of metal about twice the size of the British 50 pence piece now lay on Jenny’s palm. It was about a quarter of an inch thick. It fitted close to her skin, almost as if the metal had something, soft and molten about it. This was the rounded side underneath the object. The metal looked like new pewter, and the shape tapered at one end. The top surface had hundreds of little facets cut like diamonds. On top of this, there was a little cut motif. It was rather like the shape of a fern leaf but with fractal like detail similar to that found but with ice on a frozen windowpane. There were also many tiny holes, similar to the tiny holes found in an old piece of driftwood. It was beautiful and Jenny looked at the strange object for two minutes without saying anything. She gave it to Steve so he could hold it and he exclaimed how light it was. Jenny turned to the female at the window and went to plant the object where she expected her hand to be, but was told, “Put out your hand out flat.” Again her hand without a visible thumb shot out rapidly and took the object back. Jenny was told that they had found the object in a crop circle in Holland and that scientists had examined it and said that it was not from the Earth, that it came from outer space. “We must go now”, said the woman as she began to move behind the van with the other remaining female. Again Jenny looked back and they did not go up the path and they did not go up the bank. They just vanished. Now the two male hooded figures remained behind, which up to now had been quietly watching the witnesses. They then stepped forward silently. Jenny turned to them and said, “Well what do you think this all means then?” Again came a reply in heavy Dutch German accents, and once more the men took it in turns to speak. They looked like twins and sounded the same. “They are trying to tell us something, we will not listen.” Jenny questioned them on their statement. They each answered again in turns, “Earth’s resources are finite.” “We must stop pillaging the earth,” “We must stop exploiting each other and stop killing each other or God will be very angry.” Then one of them said, “Did you know that the DNA of the wheat that has been flattened is different from the wheat that is standing next to it?” Jenny told the men that she had heard that before, they seemed surprised at this. Then they said, “we must go now.” Then they proceeded to pass the van and with a step toward the road they vanished. They disappeared just like the others. Both witnesses then proceeded to explore the crop circles; they found blackened sections in the center of the circles. HC addendum Source: Harry Challenger, FSR Comments: A clear-cut case, apparently directly connecting crop circle activity with “alien” humanoids. The cloaked or hooded humanoids have been reported frequently in different parts of the world. |
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And another one!
SEVERAL MORE CASES OF EXTREMELY TALL BEINGS REPORTED IN WILTSHIRE, ENGLAND Colin Andrews APPEAL TO PUBLIC FOR INFORMATION: CONTACT HERE Following the report on Monday ( 6th July) by a police sergeant of three extremely tall beings he witnessed in a field near Silbury Hill, Wiltshire, England and the posting on this website ( http://www.colinandrews.net/Unexplai...menaAlert.html ), I have received several other reports, and I encourage others who have information to also please contact me HERE. Two of the high strangeness reports come from the same area. One report is extraordinary and allegedly received the immediate attention on site of a government organization. I asked for written details about this exceptional (and some what scary) case and received those details last night. I will not be making any further public statement about the details until they can be fully verified, only to say this: I trust my source in Washington DC implicitly and he trusts the originating source but to get to the bottom of it, I am going to have to do some leg work, best done quietly. A person claims to have had a very close encounter with a 8-9 feet tall being, north of Silbury Hill, in Wiltshire, England . He was visited by three government officers (details with me) who produced a book of sketches of different ET beings and ask the witness which one he had seen. At least two agencies were allegedly involved which should help verify this case. Full details later. A second report was sent to me also yesterday by a woman driving the A4 (the highway that runs east-west next to Silbury Hill), and was driving on the east side of Marlborough, Wiltshire when she estimates a 7-8 feet tall being came out of a gateway from a field and jumped back as the car passed - His head appeared triangular shape. The latter incident took place three years ago. I have details of the exact location etc, which will be posted as part of a much more extensive report including other similar reports later. I will pursue the first incident that involved several government agencies when I arrive in England next week. On the face of it, three officers from one of these agencies revealed by the actions taken, that they know much more about these beings than they have so far declared under the new open policy surrounding the UFO subject. Colin Andrews 11 July 2009 http://www.colinandrews.net/Unexplai...menaAlert.html |
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I think we missed this one...........
Milk Hill (6), Nr Stanton St Bernard, Wiltshire. Reported 2nd July. http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2.../P70502071.jpghttp://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2...onwansdike.jpg Images Steve Alexander Copyright 2009 |
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It's a bird, but what kind of bird?
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There has been discussion about this one. Most say it's a humming bird, which was a Mayan symbol of some sort.
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could it be a thunderbird?
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